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August 2008

User:TotalMacho

Well apparently precedent says that kind of stuff can be removed just fine, sorry about that. Frankly I'm glad you did it, I wasn't sure if it was legal. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 01:35, 12 August 2008 (BST)

K, it's all good. Ion sez hai :) TotalMacho 01:38, 12 August 2008 (BST)

User:Vandal_Alt_DUH

Looks like he's just signed his own Perma, if indeed that is him. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 00:53, 12 August 2008 (BST)

even though it takes them about 2 mouse clicks to undo any changes you make? Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 01:03, 12 August 2008 (BST)

User:Zephyer

Looks like he's reverting Ioncannon's (unreported) Vandalism and fixing links... Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 00:41, 11 August 2008 (BST)

Ion said you're the biggest noob and dumbass on the wiki; this just confirmed his suspicions. It is NOT vandalism, as you are too stupid or nooby to look at rules that allow people to post whatever they want on their group pages even if it is derogatory, such as The Imperium Must Die. Dumb shit... TotalMacho 04:50, 11 August 2008 (BST)

Well according to the Sysops, I'm right, and I don't much appreciate your unwarranted hostility, not to mention the fact that judging by your contributions and own admissions you are obviously a puppet of some kind, be it meat or sock. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 05:33, 11 August 2008 (BST)

I wouldnt be surprised if it was ioncannon. pretty sure it's a sockpuppet. and it's complaining about reversing an edit made by ioncannon, maybe the sysops should run an IP check.--'BP^Tmz 06:18, 11 August 2008 (BST)

I think they should, but it's just as likely he's a Meatpuppet. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 06:20, 11 August 2008 (BST)

Ok... please clear this up for me... But aren't Ion and his puppet correct? They can call people whatever they want on their own group page... For example, The Butthole Surfers mock FARK repeatly on their page, I believe. And Zephyr may not like it, but I don't think there's anything he can do about it except be the bigger man and ignore it. And... reverting it again, is that not vandalism, i.e. editing the page of a group he is not a member of. --WanYao 17:06, 11 August 2008 (BST)

Or you could argue he's removing the contribution of a banned/persistant vandal, who's circumventing his ban. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:12, 11 August 2008 (BST)

TotalMacho has not been proven to be a sockpuppet account, has it? Until such time as the various editors have been demonstrated to be sockpuppets, then IMNSHO the edits should stand... And people who are NOT MEMBERS of the 173rd wankfest are not allowed to edit the page, and doing so is vandalism. Particularly when the edits are repeated... as my link above shows they were. Demz teh roolz. Follow them. No special exceptions just because ioncannon is a wanking, trolling piece of shit... Nail him the old fashioned way, by the book, Danno... Or, take a stand that serial trolling = vandalism... But you can't have it both ways... 'Sides, this isn't serial trolling, anyway, not yet. The case is straighforward: the group can say whatever they like outside the NPOV blurb... And non-group members can't edit the pages. Now deal. --WanYao 20:58, 11 August 2008 (BST)

Nicely done, the Hawaii 5-0 reference isnt really target, but i enjoyed it. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:04, 11 August 2008 (BST)

It's called "poetic licence", Rocky. --WanYao 21:09, 11 August 2008 (BST)

Well for all we know his edits could be in good faith, it looks like he was trying to fix the links after a known vandal changed words to their insulting counterparts. Maybe he didn't know Ioncannon was involved with the group? Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 21:03, 11 August 2008 (BST)(STOP FING EDIT CONFLICTING ME YAO!!!=P)

You fucking noob, our groups ARE AT WAR!!! IONCANNON11 WAS BLACKLISTED BY THEM!!!!! TotalMacho 21:19, 11 August 2008 (BST)

I don't care, nor do I feel like stooping to the level of explaining myself to a puppet. If you have a problem with me then I recommend you either discuss it with me in a civil manner or go talk to a therapist about it. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 21:23, 11 August 2008 (BST)

No one gives a fuck what lame-ass trenchcoater group is "at war" with whatever other lame-ass trenchcoater group. The bottom line is teh roolz. Which are VERY clear. Now suck it up, everyone, and deal... like the semi-adults you should be pretending to be. --WanYao 21:33, 11 August 2008 (BST)

I take it back. Well, part of it... The Cult of the Fallen God are actually kind of amusing. Perhaps a bit of a "trenchcoater" death cult ;) but amusing nonetheless. Good RP, guys, keep it up! --WanYao 21:56, 11 August 2008 (BST)

I'm beginning to regret giving this guy the benefit of the doubt. And it's only been a couple of minutes. -- Cheese 21:26, 11 August 2008 (BST)

Why? The cult has vandalized our cbox and pages. I'd like you to check up these ip's, well Ion does, because they were the ones vandalizing the cbox:

70.132.13.216 70.53.152.132 76.240.18.120 38.100.42.25

If you could tell us who they were, it would be nice. The ISP's and/or proxies have already been contacted. TotalMacho 01:13, 12 August 2008 (BST)

yeah, that wasn't the cult, one of those posts was me. Ioncannon was acting like an ass towards me and I thought it'd be funny. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 01:24, 12 August 2008 (BST)

All four of them? K, I'm talkin to Ion on AIM; he says he'll tell the ISP's to ignore it. Unless you want a cease-and-desist letter. TotalMacho 01:27, 12 August 2008 (BST)

You can send me a cease and desist letter if it makes you feel better. I messed with him once to get him back, it's not like I plan to constantly hound you guys for all eternity. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 01:31, 12 August 2008 (BST)

I won't send it to you; you'll get it straight from your ISP. Ion says he'll let it go, but it's not a very nice thing to do. TotalMacho 01:34, 12 August 2008 (BST)

One of those IP's matches Lemonhead's from the DA forums. --Kikashie ^{Read the Dispatch!} 01:33, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Thanks, Lemon will be hearing from his ISP ASAP. TotalMacho 01:34, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Maybe Lemon just uses the same proxy? Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 01:37, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Matches his sign-up IP (which was over a year ago) and the one he was using just a few hours ago. It's a legit IP address. --Kikashie ^{Read the Dispatch!} 01:39, 12 August 2008 (BST)

User:Fucgrim

Should Ioncannon get a further ban for sockpuppet ban evasion? --Sir Bob Fortune ^RR 23:00, 7 August 2008 (BST)

According to the guidelines, in conjunction with additional policy, if Fucgrim is proven to be Ioncannon11, then yes, he's due an additional 1-month ban on top of his current 1-month ban, plus he's open to a permaban vote, as detailed in the linked policy. --Funt Solo ^QT 23:58, 7 August 2008 (BST)

I think it's obvious. He pretty much admits it, referring to Ioncannon's actions as his own, creating the account immediately after his ban, and with a name that shows hostility to one who ruled on his case. I'm not sure it could be more obvious. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 00:04, 8 August 2008 (BST)

It could just as easily be someone trying to make it look that way. As I understand it, proof can only come from identical IP addresses for the two accounts, which can only be checked by sysops. From me, then, it's over and out. --Funt Solo ^QT 00:18, 8 August 2008 (BST)

No, that's a good point. I didn't think about someone trying to frame him. Well Sysops? Are the IPs compatible? Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 00:43, 8 August 2008 (BST)

I have no idea, haven't checked. But Cheese probably did. I would probably say the month would do, if he doesn't make any more alts. Would probably only worsen the issue... think izumi. But meh, mudkip children are throwing stones at my house and they need a good beating. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:28, 8 August 2008 (BST)

IP check comes back to an open proxy. It certainly does look like him though. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 10:39, 8 August 2008 (BST)

Yup. So what do you reckon? -- Cheese 10:52, 8 August 2008 (BST)

Block the open proxy (can that be done?) but you can't really block him w/o IP proof. Anyway blocking him wouldn't do anything (apart from totally undermine A/VB and blocking etc) as he could continue to use proxies. He'll get bored soon enough...--xoxo 11:55, 8 August 2008 (BST)

Proof that he made another wiki account Proof he zergs? (or is retarded) and proof that he likes it up the ass LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 01:10, 9 August 2008 (BST)

It at least looks like him, but does that constitute as proof? only the sysops can reveal the answer... Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 01:17, 9 August 2008 (BST)

That's true, I could have fabricated the whole thing, but why would I do that! Just letting you all know it IS him. I can testify!LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 01:28, 9 August 2008 (BST)

The wiki has a banned IP list, and as far as I know sysops put known proxies on it. In any event, even if the screenshots ARE real, which I am a bit skeptical of, they're not admissible evidence. --WanYao 01:42, 9 August 2008 (BST)

Haha I understand, just letting people know it is, and to keep looking for the evidence. LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 01:56, 9 August 2008 (BST)

Moved to talk from vote --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 03:52, 10 August 2008 (BST)

I'm in favor of the permaban, but just to let you know, those screenshots could easily be faked, so they probably can't be taken as evidence. --Jared^{Talk W! P!} 02:19, 10 August 2008 (BST)

Screenshots can be faked, true, but to do that would be very difficult, and i actually trust the source not to do something that stupid. Besides, i was already certain it was ioncannon. The new account appeared minutes after we blocked his main. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 03:52, 10 August 2008 (BST)

Just a thought. Lemon doesn't exactly have the best relationship with Ion. Who's to say he didn't make the fake account to pin it on him? Just sayin'. Wouldn't using that as proof make a rather... bad precedent? --Kikashie ^{Read the Dispatch!} 05:17, 10 August 2008 (BST)

I honestly doubt that screenshot is the piece of evidence tipping the scales here, but I trust Lemon, enough to doubt he'd frame Ion. No, judging from the way he's been acting, anyone who wanted him out of the picture only had to wait around. Ion has a habit of digging his own grave, and I doubt someone as respectable as Lemonhead would stoop to the level of trickery, especially when it is so unnecessary. Regardless I agree, if it comes down to it then the screenshot should not be the deciding evidence. Let's set a honorable precedent with this trial. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 05:25, 10 August 2008 (BST)

Heh heh, I wouldn't really classify Lemon as "respectable" what with some reacent stuff that has come to light. But that's off topic. Regardless, if he made one, he only made one. You'd think there would have been others. --Kikashie ^{Read the Dispatch!} 05:27, 10 August 2008 (BST)

User:Ioncannon11

I was actually avoiding taking this to VB because I wasn't sure if it was even vandalism. Guess I got schooled huh? =P Thanks for catching this Cheeseman! Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 21:01, 7 August 2008 (BST)

User:Ioncannon11

This is the kind of trolling crap that needs to be stopped. While technically not impersonation, the edit was clearly in bad faith, i.e. there was no intent to improve the wiki, in fact very clearly the opposite was the intent... If this were a first or second time offense, then I think a soft warning (i.e., smarten up) might be appropriate. However, ioncannon has a long and storied history of trolling, some of which has been deemed vandalism, some of which he has been able to get away with. Given this history, it's kind of obvious that his trolling was wilful and destructive and in bad faith.

Consider this, as well... If "shitting up admin pages" -- even without inflammatory or derogatory content -- can be considered vandalism, then blatant trolling ought to be considered vandalism as well. How come the sysops get special protection from having to deal with B.S. on the pages they use, but the rest of the community doesn't? We don't get ANY protection from trolls, except... "Ignore them", or "Take it Arby"... Which system, as has been demonstrated time and time again, is quite broken. So what about us, the Joe Users, nuh? You have a chance here to set a precedent and declare blatant trolling = vandalism... in a similar vein as to how "shitting up the admin pages" works... Will you take this stand? --WanYao 01:12, 7 August 2008 (BST)

1. Where is the post on Ioncannon's talk page asking him about this edit?

2. That headline isn't something that Tech posted as part of his comment. It isn't impersonation.

You have a chance here to set a precedent and declare blatant trolling = vandalism. And then make a back door civility policy enforcible? No thanks. News Flash - Not everyone on the internet is going to be nice to everyone else. And hopefully you are choking on the irony of you posting and bitching about trolls. You have a nice posting history on Talk:suggestions that would earn you a few days off from the wiki if we did punish trolls. You can't have it both ways.

Admin pages need special protection. Deal with it. You bitch about the system being broken yet you also bitch about the few parts that work. Maybe you do need some time off. --– Nubis ^NWO 02:49, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Yeah, it's a double-edged sword. I'd like to remind you wiki users not involved in the case are not to post here. This is considered vandalism if you do it excessively, as you are know. Ioncannon11 03:07, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Blah blah...

1. There is a difference between someone making rude comments in the context of criticising an idea etc., vs. someone who makes completely unconstructive edits which serve no purpose but to insult and to troll -- like ioncannon's in this case. If you can't see the difference, well... whatever...
2. Yup, it's a "backdoor civility policy". However, it's one that fits the spirit of the "bad faith" policy. It deals with edits that have no redeeming value except to spam and to troll. It leaves intact otherwise rude comments that are made in the context of a discussion and/or criticism. If you can't see the difference, and how it'd apply, well, whatever...
3. Yup, I'd abide by it, if it applied to me. But, my rude comments on communoity pages are always made in a context of a discussion/critique, and never just spammy trolling of headers etc. So it wouldn't apply to my "trolling", nor to most of yours or your SA buddies'. It would apply to crap like ioncannon's adit above. If you can't see the difference between these two types of cases, well, whatever...
4. I'm not saying that Admin pages don't need special protection... What I am saying is that if it's good enough for the Admin pages, then a parallel procedure is good enough for the non-elite users who have to deal with the rest of the wiki. Again, if this point escape you, well, whatever...

Fact is that good users are leaving the wiki, or never joining in the first place, because of serial trolling. But good users don't actually leave the wiki because of some rude comments in Talk:Suggestions, case in point being the fact that some of the users who got flamed recently on Talk:Suggestions stood back from it all and realised where the people who were attacking were coming from, because for the most part there was a context for the flames... And now we're all a happy emo family working towards the same goals... ;) But if you can't see the difference between this kind trolling vs. making rude comments in the context of commentary... and if you think that over-the-top trolling behavior is a-okay... well... whatever...

So, sorry nubis, you're not quite there in getting it right. --WanYao 03:22, 7 August 2008 (BST)

No, he understands everything, you're the dumb fuck who can't seem to to realize this is allowed by the rules. You're not a sysop and you don't make these rules, so GTFO. This is not your a/vb case and, if you piss him off, nubis can take you up in vandalism for editing out of place on this page. You are one of the biggest trolls who, without any positive discussion or critical statements, proceed to run their mouths about anything and practically everything. Ioncannon11 03:27, 7 August 2008 (BST)

You're an idiot. There was a suggestion a while back called "Pepper Spray" that did what you're talking about. Ergo: DUPE. Don't waste our time with something that is an obvious DUPE. Idiot. Why don't you just fuck off and quit pretending you know what you're talking about... You don't. On so many levels. You're an idiot. GTFO. --WanYao 13:30, 29 July 2008 (BST)

Please indicate which parts are "constructive". (And I can tell you that the "Pepper Spray" part without a link to support it isn't). Also, please remove the plank from your own eye or however that saying goes.--– Nubis ^NWO 03:33, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Take the plank out of YOUR eye, as you put it, Nubis. Where is the context of that comment? Nowhere... Well, I'll provide the context: a bunch of people making atrocious suggestions, one after the other after the other... and then whining and troll-baiting(?) people when their suggestions were (rightly) torn apart. And, the possible existence of an individual or individuals actively trolling the suggestions with crap suggestions and Oprah-crying about being attacked for them... However, I've ALREADY SAID that I'd abide by any movement to deal with trolling as I defined it above. So... take your ad hominems and shove em, Nubis. --WanYao 04:38, 7 August 2008 (BST)

And, ioncannon, if you were even half literate, you'd know that you that your statement that I am "one of the biggest trolls who, without any positive discussion or critical statements" (emphasis added) is completely unfounded in anything approaching reality. Can I be an asshole? Fuck yeah... But, as I said, if you actually knew how to read and comprehend what you read, you'd see how absurd your statement is... For example, in the suggestions page, when people aren't being COMPLETE halfwits, my comments are most usually constructive and postive. As I said, context... it's everything... That little quote does, however, from everthing I have seen, seem to apply VERY well to you, ioncannon... --WanYao 04:47, 7 August 2008 (BST) Ok... why am I doing this?? Seeya, kids, have fun. --WanYao 04:56, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Shut up you nerd. With a name like wanyao, i bet you slurp up wonton soup and egg rolls all day and night. Ioncannon11 21:06, 7 August 2008 (BST)

This case is closed, so shut up about it and go bitch about your NEXT vandalism case you Nerd hating anti-asian troll. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 21:13, 7 August 2008 (BST)

"Also, please remove the plank from your own eye or however that saying goes.--Nubis

Take the plank out of YOUR eye, as you put it, Nubis. --WanYao"

If one steps back a little and thinks of what the plank saying means, this is a pretty amusing dialogue. --Toejam 21:56, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Jackson

Nyet. This should be moved to his subpage, and he should be told that posting pages like this on the wiki main is bad. I'd actually assume he didn't know that rule. --User:Axe27/Sig 18:00, 4 August 2008 (BST)

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