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Broken Wiki page

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525

The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --/\Haliman/\ ^{T | P! | W!} 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)

Iwitness typo

Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.

"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?

Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, you'll never them again. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it! User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders".

http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security

--/\Haliman/\ ^{T | P! | W!} 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Check your talk page, Haliman111.  Swiers 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Suicide Repair

Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like:

a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay.

or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades. --Experiment211 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)

Database error on the wiki

I have been getting the following message after making edits:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

    (SQL query hidden)

from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"

The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --WanYao 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)

I just got one on the same page. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Ditto. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Happened to me too today.--Gamestriker4 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Database error

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "". MySQL returned error "1194: Table 'searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)".

Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--Karek^maps?! 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)

Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --Kevan 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)

Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --WanYao

Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)

I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --Kevan 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)

A Little Idea for Group Affiliations

I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention.

There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).

Just my thought for the early morning.

Regards. --Papa Moloch 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)

Please make your suggestions here: Category:Current Suggestions. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)

FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better.  Swiers 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)

Copyright question

after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also—The preceding Template:Wikipedia comment was added by Undeadpope (talk • contribs) 23:42, 6 August 2008.

l2english.--xoxo 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)

If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --Kevan 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)

IP hits and construction

If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)

It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--xoxo 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)

I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)

Is that confirmed or just a guess?--Kooks 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)

It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--xoxo 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Monroeville and headshot

All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point. --Babe's Ghost 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)

I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --Calem 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)

The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --jng2058 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? CoopVancer 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot.

So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? We will not. Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! We will be ever vigilant! (until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food) Bystander 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)

Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--Babe's Ghost 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--Kevan 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)

Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining?

I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?

Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --BetterLuck 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)

I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--Kazypoo1 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Monroeville Characters

I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--William Told 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)

No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --Kevan 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)

How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --Alias81 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the FAQ. --Kevan 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Don't fucking jimmy me, jules.

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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--xoxo 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --Kevan 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)

NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --xoxo 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)

What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--Nallan (Talk) 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)

OMG DID YOU SAY CODE RED?!?!?!?!--xoxo 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--Nallan (Talk) 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean 2 Cool have a variety of quality projects using that space. ALiM, ELiM, Great Fire of 1912, Sir Dick Longman, Suburb Nicknames, Colloquialisms and Malton Girl on Girl Parade all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of Kevan, this is just a tasty sampling.--xoxo 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--CyberRead240 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Quality projects using the page history space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --Kevan 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on this page. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--Nallan (Talk) 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example this particular work would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. Save Page Histories, i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--xoxo 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Ah that smell. I know her well.--Nallan (Talk) 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--Karek^maps?! 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--Karek^maps?! 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)

What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Cheers Grimbo. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--xoxo 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)

It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --Kevan 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)

I believe we finally got them all done.--Karek^maps?! 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Thanks. --Kevan 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)

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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--xoxo 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Is barricading affected in dark buildings?

Would you be able to resolve this question, please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --WanYao 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)

As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --Aeon17x 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)

It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--Nallan (Talk) 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Aeon, I did "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --WanYao 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)

You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --Aeon17x 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Yes, there is an effect. --Kevan 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)

theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now?

what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --Kazypoo1 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Stay alive I guess. --Federationtrooper 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)

umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --Kazypoo1 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)

And it's 101 now. --Aeon17x 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --WanYao 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--Kolechovski 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)

If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean shut down. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --WanYao 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)

I'm pretty sure that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--William Told 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)

Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--Kolechovski 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --~~~~ [talk] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --Kevan 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)

For what? --Deadblast 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)

It looks like this [[1]], one like blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --Deadblast 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Sorry. yep.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)

You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You knew... Now, deal with it. --WanYao 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)

FAQs addition?

I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs

Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks. --Kolechovski 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Once again...dupe. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)

That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--Kolechovski 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Enough is enough

I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just look at this post. Just quickly...

Enough is enough, already. Please ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider something... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --WanYao 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)

Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against "normal" multi-abusers. But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple obvious "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --WanYao 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)

I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the Ridleybank Resistance Front and Columbine Kids, two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --Papa Moloch 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--xoxo 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --Kevan 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--xoxo 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)

There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used...

And, no solution is going to perfect. There will always be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just too easy to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on my Talk page for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --WanYao 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I know what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you...

http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html

LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the AZM Talk page... Will you work on this? --WanYao 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)

Last Major Change to this page?

When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--Kolechovski 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)

[[2]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Dear Kevan:

You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we will prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...
And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.
We Are AXES HIGH E Cinerebus, Gloriam --Hardcore Rockabilly 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! The man 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)

Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --Hardcore Rockabilly 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)

Database errors

We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit A/VD i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page here to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)

Noted. --Kevan 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)

It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --Kevan 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)

Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --Kevan 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)

About the proxy issues...

this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. The man 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)

It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with community-based solutions, as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember...

“	It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.	”
—Edgar Allen Poe

ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)

And...

“	Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.	”
—Anonymous

--Tselita 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)

Future history wipes

Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)

Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--Karek^maps?! 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)

And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)

I'm wishing for headshot....

maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... Kazypoo1 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)

The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)

ALiM's Birthday Party

You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at Club Head at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See here for more details, oh divine master.--Nallan (Talk) 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Misconduct

I figure you are already aware of whats going on Here but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)

You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --xoxo 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community must come with clear evidence over a substancial period of time. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --xoxo 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as user:Revenant has said, this is a Kangaroo Court, nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)

*shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --xoxo 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)

You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)

oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --xoxo 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)

apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--xoxo 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --Kevan 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)

You gonna have a vote? --xoxo 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)

There being no official method or process of notification...Here is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)

So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--Karek^maps?! 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--Honestmistake 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Bug, "zerg flag", or what?

This alt has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --WanYao 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting zero success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --Kevan 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--xoxo 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)

It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --Kevan 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--xoxo 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. Pakopako 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- Cheese 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --Paradoxin 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)

My search-statistics:

Where: lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore

Skill: Shopping+Bargain Hunting

APs: 38 / 47

Found nothing: 30 / 36

Found a FAK: 8 / 11

Rate: 21,06% / 23,4%

--Paradoxin 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. Linkthewindow ^Talk 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)

Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know exactly why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't dare to believe :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --WanYao 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)

Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall seems the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --WanYao 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)

You know, there's a better place than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)

Coup II

I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for permission to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.

Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --Kevan 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Coup

Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)

Already onto it. --Kevan 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Thanks -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)

sooo....where do we go from here? --xoxo 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)

PUSSY TOWN!--Nallan (Talk) 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the new misconduct case decide in his favour. --Kevan 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)

First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --Keith Drudgely 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)

Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)

you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --WanYao 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)

Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)

~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - Jedaz - 11:35/13/10/2008

OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)

Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)

It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --xoxo 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)

How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)

sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --xoxo 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)

@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.

@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.

Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my talk page rather then clog up Kevans. - Jedaz - 00:34/14/10/2008

My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)

it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)

I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed here, with a now dead reference to the original conversation here. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.

Grim_s said:

Making a new sysop subclass wont solve this problem, all it will do is bloat the numbers of idiot sysops, which i have spent the last 18 months whittling away at.

Whoops. I guess it was a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)

No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to read more. I do find it amusing that this template, which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)

He made these notes on attempting to scrap the system back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --Kevan 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)

That's kind of why I am confused how what Amazing did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved (by his own admission), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)

It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--xoxo 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Coup Misconduct Resolution

Resolution of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)

HP?

Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)

That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --Kevan 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)

I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)