UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Alter Speedydelete Treatment of Group Pages

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Alter Speedydelete Treatment of Group Pages

Outline

This change of policy would mean that all group pages, that have significant content on them are ineligble for deletion through Speedydelete (unless nominated by their creators) and must go through a vote on the deletions page don't meet any of the other criteia for speedydelete, must remain in the queue without being deleted for 5 days after the {{speedydelete}} template is added to them. If, at the end of that period, there are no keep votes, they may be speedydeleted, otherwise they are kept (and may be nominated for deletion if still deemed neccessary).

This is being suggested because of the large number of group pages that are being deleted through speedydelete when they arn't edited for a month, yet their members are still in game, or they're of historical value. The nature of speedydelete is that they are deleted as soon as a moderator agrees that they meet the critia, which doesn't give anyone a chance to object before the deed is done, forcing them to go to the undeletions page, which inexperienced wiki'ers may never find when they turn up to find their page... just gone.

Most of the restorations on the undeletions page lately have been groups that are either of historical interest, or still active just don't update their page.

Groups will still get deleted if no one is interested in keeping them, it's just that the voting period (2 weeks) 5 days gives the members (or others who know they're still around) time to notice that they've got a speedydelete template on their page (saying it's being voted on up for deletion) and to let us know if they're finished with the group or not -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 05:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

New Crit. 12

The current Crit. 12 says...

"Defunct group page: The page is a non-historical group page, it is over two months old, it has not had an update in a month, and is not on the stats page."

If this policy is approved it will be changed to...

"Defunct group page: The page is a non-historical group page, it is over two months old, it has not had an update in a month, and is not on the stats page. Such pages will remain in the queue for 5 days to determine their defunct status has been correctly identified."

Summary

• If a group page meets any of the other speedydelete criteria they are still eligble for immediate deletion.
• Group pages nominated under Crit. 12 have to wait 5 days before being speedydeleted.
• The {{speedydelete}} template must be added before the waiting period begins.
• If no keep votes are registered after that period, it is eligble for immediate speedydeletion.
• If any keep votes are lodged, the page may then be nominated for deletion (but only if still deemed necessary).

Voting Section

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Policy has finished voting.

For

1. -- boxy ^{T L PA DA} 05:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
2. --Jorm 09:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
3. -- ∀lan Watson ^T·RVP 09:46, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
4. --Krauser43 14:20, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
5. --Marie^{The Grove} 15:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
6. --Dickhole Bonaparte _{Leader, Malton Rangers} 18:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
7. --Agent White ^{W!•SGP•CMS-Meta•CMS} 18:30, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
8. --Blood Panther 21:17, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
9. --Xoid 04:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
10. -- Bubba^T 05:27, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
11. Cyberbob  Talk  05:28, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
12. --J Muller 05:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
13. Though I'd rather see a more effective policy, this'll do for now. --MorthBabid 02:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
14. Arr! --Grim s-^{Mod U!} 08:40, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
15. --Bullgod 18:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
16. --Funt Solo 19:51, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
17. --Pillsy ^FT 14:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
18. --Amanofpower ^{CFT W!} 17:10, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
19. --Certified=Insane^☭ 22:38, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
20. -- Asheets 03:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
21. -- J.Well 11:53, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
22. -- The Envoy 18:29, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
23. -- TheDictator 2052, 19 December 2006 (MCT)
24. -- Wikidead 01:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
25. --Mikehendo 22:14, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
26. --Kiki Lottaboobs 23:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
27. --Whap 08:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
28. GuesssWho
29. --Chris Greene 07:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
30. --Humuhumuhumu...Ted 21:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
31. this sounds like a good idea, let people wake up and get back to their page before up and deleting them. --Zombienic 9:56, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
32. This would be better --GrownUpSurvivor 14:25, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
33. Even at it's worst, it's a step in the right direction for those who don't like crit 12, to say nothing of the policy at it's best. --Reaper with no name ^TJ! 22:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Voting Closed

Against

1. If a group is inactive enough on the wiki to meet the current Crit 12, then they clearly neither need nor want a wiki page, regardless of whether they still exist or not. I suppose I can see your point about historical ones, but I prefer that problem to completely screwing up the speedeletion queue.--'STER-Talk-Mod^P! 22:10, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
2. If they cared enough about their page, they would update it. It's not that hard. The process of Speedy Deletion has also helped notice groups that SHOULD be put up for historical. That is what the undeletion request is for.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 22:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
3. The principle is sound, but I'm in favor of removing Crit 12 from Speedy Deletions altogether, so I'm against this. --_Vic D'Amato__Dead vs Blue_ 03:56, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
   • I agree sort of, Speedy Delete should remain the same, there shouldn't be a "speedy delete, except for this... which has a wait period"... "well.. why don't we just use regular delete?" "I dunno." It's Speedy Delete, not somewhat speedy delete, but it is definately faster than regular delete--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 22:47, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
4. Don't monkey up speed deletions with exceptions. --Max Grivas ^{JG / M.F.T.} 16:17, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
5. I like it, but it'll be a right pain in the arse when it comes to sorting the speedydelete queue.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 21:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
6. Just change the requirements for criterions 12 to be two months of inactivity. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 21:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
7. As Max [s]and Anime[/s] (his reply to Vic, not his vote). -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 04:31, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
8. Crit 12 must die, nothing more, nothing less. --Rogue 19:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
9. First, I don't agree with Criterion 12 killers. Maybe it has become a little redundant on this times because the backlog of unused group pages is mostly gone, but back on the times it was created it served a good purpose and, except for an extremely low ammount of cases, it continues to do so. As a proof, you can take The great cleanup part 1 and part 2, where with time it seems that only 3 out of a hundred and so groups had to be undeleted (and btw, one of these is again elegible for speedy deletion...). Also, the original reason to divide UDWiki:Administration/Deletions and UDWiki:Administration/Speedy_Deletions is beaten if we start placing "not so speedy deletable requests" under the Speedy Deletions page. Either propose a new page to take care of the new class of deletions, or make a choice and decide for completely speedy deletable or not Group pages. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 05:02, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
10. Criterion 12 must be destroyed before it destroys the entire wiki. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 22:25, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
11. I like the idea of providing a little more notice that a group page is going away, but not changing SD to do it. Paul Brunner 00:52, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
12. Gage 08:43, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
13. --Sgt. Expendable ^JG 06:09, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
14. The original policy was my idea, I don't think it's majorly flawed. There may be a solution to deletions happening, especially with the media, but making an odd category isn't it. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 15:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Voting Closed