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JISOR/Halfdan and Mekhan/Tarpenz

Assuming these 4 are all ruled vandalism, are their votes in the election all struck? Would remove 2 additional votes from Stelar, leaving them at 23. --ooɹd ǝʌɐɥ sʇɐoƃ sʍoʅʚ ǝɹɔuoɯ uǝɹɐʞWe're going to destroy everything, and you can't stop usYou rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 07:58, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

We'd strike only the second (time-wise) of the votes for each candidate; e.g. JISOR's first two votes would remain, but any by Halfdan Pisket would be struck. Same with Mekhan/Tarpenz — Mekhan's votes remain, but Tarpenz's have been struck. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 12:15, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
I corrected the title for clarity. I have not been connected to the other two accounts. -- SomethingSomething.gif 14:47, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
JISOR’s final vote was made after both of Pisket’s. If a user has two votes, I believe it would make sense for all votes struck after the first two votes by a single user. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 14:54, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Oh, unless of course that scenario would end in a double vote like you described. Apologies. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 14:56, 15 December 2018 (UTC)
Totally right. I didn't realize Halfdan's were timestamped before JISOR's. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 15:15, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

User:Sister Mary

moved from main page

Blanked User talk:Sniper4625 - normally I would give benefit of the doubt, but they seem quite hostile, so I thought I would bring it to your attention. Regards~ Sniper4625 (talk) 23:32, 3 June 2018 (UTC)

I won't need any benefit of doubt, thanks for considering my feelings though. After reading I wanted to have my talk page protected both Sniper and Dragontard came to write on my page - if you don't want any hostile behavior I suggest you fuck off and leave me alone :) I don't even know who the fuck you guys are. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sister Mary (talkcontribs) 23:37 June 3 2018.
Oh right. Ban the fuck outta my account if you feel like it Mr. System-Operator-Boss. I have no problem editing some page to get my message across to people who have a hard time getting it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sister Mary (talkcontribs) 23:38, 3 June 2018 (UTC).
Southpark tearlick.gif--Emot-siren.gif LABIA on the INTERNET Emot-siren.gif Dunell Hills Corpseman The Malton Globetrotters#24 - You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| TMG 00:05, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Now now, there's no need to be rude and start flinging insults. --Dragonshardz (talk) 23:41, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Might I inquire why you decided the best choice of action to a harmless greeting was a rule-breaking act of vandalism? Quite rude. Sniper4625 (talk) 23:40, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Given talk pages are a pretty important element of regulating user behavior without needing to ban anyone the instant they step out of line, I'm really not sure Sister Mary has any interest in learning or following any of the community norms of the wiki. Swissaboo (talk) 23:51, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Per their talk page now they apparently have gotten many such pages deleted, which somewhat confuses me. Sniper4625 (talk) 23:52, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
Adding onto this, in their protection request they clearly have no interest in bothering with the proper formatting for responding to other users and on their talk page they have placed the nominated for deleting template without any actual nomination for deletion having occurred. I don't know how much of this is actually against wiki RULES (except perhaps that last one?) but they're very clearly running roughshod over the expected standards of behavior. Swissaboo (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I'm sure you meant WIKI LAW when you said RULES. --Dragonshardz (talk) 01:23, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

This was exactly the point of having my talk page protected - the horde/jack/whateverzergs can't seem to leave me alone :) Sister Mary (talk) 00:10, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

The Jack got run out of town on a rail. Try again. --Dragonshardz (talk) 01:26, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
You never did explain why you thought breaking the rules in a very rude way was the best course of action, and why you thought getting demonstrably mad would make people pay *less* attention to you. Sniper4625 (talk) 00:24, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
The reason is pretty simple, and I thought you got the message, but okay, I will clarify for you why = I don't like you :) I will eat my warning with pleasure, don't worry about it! But.. this isn't your first time harrassing people, correct? I like that you feel like you have the upperhand over a guy that made 200+ edits within the last 24 hours, and only vandalized a single page of a user that didn't really go about making "a good-faith attempt to improve this wiki" by trying to trigger me by invading my talk page. Im looking forward as to how this will play out. I will just make another account and keep on editing from there so I didn't lose anything catching myself a warning, other than shifting focus to you ugly bunch of motherfuckers :D Sister Mary (talk) 00:39, 4 June 2018 (UTC) (See, I use my template just like you want to!)
Isn't sockpuppeting to avoid wikipunishments in itself a punishable offense? You just keep digging. Sniper4625 (talk) 01:18, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
I see that you're trying to put words in my mouth - unfortunately thats not going to happen. As stated, I will be let of with a warning so I have no intention, and never have I stated that I would sneak away from any punishment. I think it's great that everyone can see how you guys clearly are trying to engage some sort of drama - otherwise you would have left me alone, like I asked to be. So if you think again, I will ditch this account to prevent people like you from being a harrassment. But regarding the sockpuppet behavior - how do we work out the fact that 3 different people came around at the same time, all with the same purpose, and all with the intention of trying to give me a bad time - did you guys coordinate some sort of drama on my behalf - After asking for my talk page to be isolated from people like you. I think im gonna need your shovel m8, seems like it digs that much faster than mine :) Sister Mary (talk) 02:00, 4 June 2018 (UTC) (Ohhhhh snap.)
Are you back, Jack? Because you're making the same "alts!" argument he did, and he was similarly disproven. I'm not sure how I put words in your mouth when you said "I will just make another account and keep on editing from there," but well, I did appreciate your attempt to sic Aichon on my compatriot. Too bad it failed. Sniper4625 (talk) 02:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
AHHHHHHHH :D I was actually just waiting for someone to pull out the "you're a Yocum" card! Sure dude - let's say im a Jack. I must be a great Jack. I mean, I edited 2 suburbs completely and have been editing the EMRP for 6 months on another account - but sure! YOU GOT ME! :D Im getting the idea that your dick is all so im gonna leave you to play with that! I will be back with another account, to edit another 200+ locations. Meanwhile you guys will have to enjoy yourself being annoying towards someone else! :D —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sister Mary (talkcontribs) 02:22, 4 June 2018.

Vandalism and a Warning. Don't blank other's pages. I'll serve the warning officially over at the Sister Mary page, but I assume you'll see it here as well. And yes, warnings carry over between accounts. Aichon 02:51, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

So...how does the wiki handle a user rage-reverting their own edits? --Dragonshardz (talk) 03:09, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
Rage reverting? I edited 3 locations due to them being wrong :D Aichon you said something about the parties in question should talk, the rest should shut up. If this doesnt qualify as harrassment I don't know what will. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sister Mary (talkcontribs) 03:14, 4 June 2018 (UTC).

Sounds to me like someone is finally bored of this game and is getting one last laugh out of the community by being as much as a cunt as possible on his way out. Either that or it's his time of month and he's out of pads.----RWSig1.png RWSig2.pngFoD PK Praise Rando!06:37, 4 June 2018 (UTC)

"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah" A ZOMBIE ANT 00:02, 5 June 2018 (UTC)

User: Revenant

Now think about it, I have a very distant memory of a user who used to remove all signatures of everyone else on their talk page as a kind of norm, but I can't remember who it was, or if it actually happened. Might have been Iscariot, maybe even Finis. Does this sound right to anybody? A ZOMBIE ANT 22:44, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, there was somebody, but fuck if I remember who it was. I think the logic was that if there was no signature, they could do whatever they wanted to the content and it didn’t count as impersonation? ЯЭV⁠€⁠NΛИ You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!||||||||||||||||||||||||||| 00:56, 10 October 2015 (UTC)
Oh god, I hope it never went that far. I can't help but feel it was Iscariot just being a bit narky about stuff. A ZOMBIE ANT 06:39, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

User:The Goth Store Owner

*snif* *snif* I smell drama. Is there drama ? OH MA GOSH IS DRAMA!!! --hagnat 21:39, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

The sooner they learn that 90% of this dispute should be on A/Arbitration the sooner I can sleep at night. A ZOMBIE ANT 01:07, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Is there a minimum time cases need to stay on the main VB page? Can't this shit just be moved to archives and locked? --KCLZA 21:48, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

A/VB is now archived on an annual basis, so it'll be cycled in January 2016. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 21:54, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

So quiet

* shuffles around looking for drama to feed on, finds none *
What happened to this place ? --hagnat 20:46, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for reminding me to drop the DramaLevel. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 21:05, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
Hagnat spamming an administrative talk page was the excuse I needed to fulfill our VB case quota required by Kevan. To the wikicourt with him at once! -- Spiderzed 21:18, 29 January 2016 (UTC)
I like where this is going. Step back everyone, I got A/M covered. A ZOMBIE ANT 06:09, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
The fact that the drama level was updated almost prompted me to raise it a level, since that's more drama than we've had in months. Aichon 06:49, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
DDRs threat to use A/M before there even is a VB verdict alienates me. I will pre-emptively file an arbitration to forbid him from posting on A/M for 5.73 venusian years. -- Spiderzed 20:44, 30 January 2016 (UTC)
Foiled again by the cabal. A ZOMBIE ANT 00:54, 3 February 2016 (UTC)
I think you can update the DramaLevel to the lesser level of drama. This place is so quiet. --hagnat 16:23, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
Ehh, I'm still a little on alert from the big bot attack last week. Not a true old-school drama, but it qualifies. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 18:20, 2 February 2016 (UTC)
It seems the big bot attack got under controle. Whoever pulled that out, congrats :) --hagnat 17:27, 22 February 2016 (UTC)


Bots Discussion

Return of old, already banned, bots

Over the past couple of days, bots who were previous banned have been spamming again. Has the recent update of the wiki somehow unbanned them? -- boxy 10:35, 27 December 2014 (BST)


Hmm

It's been a few years, but we're getting a wave of bots again. Thoughts? Bob Moncrief EBDW! 01:57, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully it's just a random burst, not a consistent thing? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
More spammers stuck inside? I gather fraud attempts are way up at the moment. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 08:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Has it been going on for a while? Like beyond this week? DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 10:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
No, not yet. I just realized I've gotten complacent because we've had so few. If it continues for more than a week or so we can ponder other options. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 17:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Hopefully it's just a flareup for now... DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 23:31, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, like acne. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah.... acne.... DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 00:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Anyone want to review this? They're still here, and popping them isn't helping. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you think the captcha needs to be updated? If so I can try to get in touch with Kev. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 14:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Considering we all have better things to do than continuously ban spambots, probably worth asking! stelar Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge 20:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
I guess whoever has his ear, go for it. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


Bots Discussion

Return of old, already banned, bots

Over the past couple of days, bots who were previous banned have been spamming again. Has the recent update of the wiki somehow unbanned them? -- boxy 10:35, 27 December 2014 (BST)


Hmm

It's been a few years, but we're getting a wave of bots again. Thoughts? Bob Moncrief EBDW! 01:57, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully it's just a random burst, not a consistent thing? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
More spammers stuck inside? I gather fraud attempts are way up at the moment. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 08:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Has it been going on for a while? Like beyond this week? DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 10:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
No, not yet. I just realized I've gotten complacent because we've had so few. If it continues for more than a week or so we can ponder other options. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 17:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Hopefully it's just a flareup for now... DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 23:31, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, like acne. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
Yeah.... acne.... DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 00:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Anyone want to review this? They're still here, and popping them isn't helping. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you think the captcha needs to be updated? If so I can try to get in touch with Kev. Bob Moncrief EBDW! 14:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
Considering we all have better things to do than continuously ban spambots, probably worth asking! stelar Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge 20:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
I guess whoever has his ear, go for it. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)


July 2009

J3D (2)

You do know that it was J3D that reverted most of the vandal edits don't you? If that is not direct involvement in a case I am not sure what is.... esp as he was requesting a Sysop check something directly related to the case. --Honestmistake 20:22, 15 July 2009 (BST)

I do, but that's no reason for him to say "hey can I get an IP check?" It's the duty of every user to revert vandalism, but adding a comment like his doesn't add to the discussion and sysops should (and were) already doing just that. Also, you do realize you're not using the talk page as well, right? --Bob Boberton TF / DW 23:09, 15 July 2009 (BST)
Yes I do but given my comment is relevant it was perfectly ok where it was so take the stick out of your ass and stop playing silly buggers. While checking IP's may be common in A/VB cases I don't think it is essential and thus J3D was more than entitled to ask for one to be done if he had suspicions in this case.--Honestmistake 00:41, 16 July 2009 (BST)
Of course it wasn't okay where it was. You have literally nothing to do with the case, so don't even try and convince us you deserve to add that to the main page, the content of what you said was so 'talk page worthy' it hurts me to think it ever made it to the main page without you getting VB'd. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 01:42, 16 July 2009 (BST)

Ddrisfag

If you haven't already can we get an ipcheck on this? --xoxo 14:56, 15 July 2009 (BST)

About to do it. Thanks Jed for reverting a lot of this. Linkthewindow  Talk  14:56, 15 July 2009 (BST)
Alt of no one. Linkthewindow  Talk  14:58, 15 July 2009 (BST)

MisterGame

Typical... closing ranks to protect their own once again --Imthatguy 20:13, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Having had a week go past, I just want to comment on how much I appreciate the entire UDWiki community for not even bothering to justify this user's comment with a reply. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 01:56, 14 July 2009 (BST)

Cyberbob240

How's that a meatpuppet? It's a unique user with more then 250 edits. Unstrike his vote, or provide some actual evidence.--Thadeous Oakley 16:07, 7 July 2009 (BST)

User Talk:DanceDanceRevolution.--xoxo 16:30, 7 July 2009 (BST)


Thoughts people? --xoxo 15:28, 7 July 2009 (BST)

If that isn't a fishing expedition I don't know what is. --Cyberbob 15:29, 7 July 2009 (BST)
J3D, we could file this under misconduct, and get this moron demoted --Imthatguy 20:11, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Martyr

Maybe someone could givehim/her one chance? --Imthatguy 02:15, 6 July 2009 (BST)

I know absolutly nothing about this paticular person, or about her case. I will admit though that I've made my share of stupid mistakes, and wish I could take most of them back. Plus she sounds like she might be a juvenile (spelling?) around the age of 12/13,... meaning her comprehension is not comparable to that of most rational adults. That having been said, and the fact that she's been trying for so long to get here account back, Perhaps we should limit it to a definite period of time,... Say 4 years, minus time served? This would be a year left there is to be any truth to what she's said previously... -Poodle of doom 02:41, 6 July 2009 (BST)

Once again 'they' ignore what the community has to say --Imthatguy 17:58, 6 July 2009 (BST)
You should see misconduct.--Thadeous Oakley 18:01, 6 July 2009 (BST)
As I said on the page, making 80+ alt accounts isn't the way to ask for your account back. Also, it's called a permanent ban for a reason. Linkthewindow  Talk  18:03, 6 July 2009 (BST)
Indeed. 83 accounts later and she still hasn't learned that she's not wanted. --User:Axe27/Sig 23:46, 13 July 2009 (BST)

Neozumi

In response to another alts claims of Izumi's good faith edits

You really can't play innocent here. You came back a few times with complete trash accounts with stupid names that did do things that would fit within the confines of vandalism.--SirArgo Talk 00:41, 6 July 2009 (BST)

MoonShine

Cyberbob240 said:
Posting a humourous suggestion in the regular suggestions area. I'm tempted to take DDR to Misconduct for voting Keep on it but we'll see. --Cyberbob 03:14, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I'm at a loss of words right now. --Haliman - Talk 03:16, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Try going back to school then if you can't find anything in your vocabulary? --Cyberbob 03:25, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Bah. I expected a comment like that :P. Someone doesn't like everything with a pulse Fiffy, huh? --Haliman - Talk 03:27, 1 July 2009 (BST)
yeah clearly bringing a humourous suggestion which was posted in the main suggestions space to A/VB when posting humourous suggestions in the main suggestions space is vandalism has to be the result of some kind of bias right??? --Cyberbob 03:30, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Yep. --Haliman - Talk 03:31, 1 July 2009 (BST)
heh heh heh deliberately pretending like you don't know my comment was sarcastic is a p awesome comeback!! --Cyberbob 03:33, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Yep. --Haliman - Talk 03:34, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Fuck, thats why i hate wiki crats. Always mumbling about "Ohh, how am i going to power abuse today?" Fuck you, cocksucker. --Skouth 03:36, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I'm sorry it's not my fault I was abused as a child :( stop it daddy it hurts --Cyberbob 03:37, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Just common sense. Seriously, if the SysOp team does not rule this vandalism, then we no longer have SysOps worthy of their title. It's pretty simple, post humorous crap where in belongs. In the crap bin Humorous Suggestions Page. That's what it's there for.--

| T | BALLS! | 03:44 1 July 2009

This from the only person to vote no. -- Emot-argh.gif 03:46, 1 July 2009 (BST)
I would have voted Humorous in the SPAM section, but I'm boycotting the SPAM vote. Sorry.-- | T | BALLS! | 04:05 1 July 2009
Well said. Rules is rules. Don't call us power abusers because we take on the responsibility of enforcing the rules. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 03:49, 1 July 2009 (BST)
I didn't notice a whole lot of rule enforcement going on when you voted Keep. --Cyberbob 03:50, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Look harder? DDR can be very subtle.--xoxo 01:43, 3 July 2009 (BST)
u gay? (yes) --Cyberbob 03:00, 4 July 2009 (BST)

Ug, anyone arguing against this case needs to realize that while this one may be awesome, if we start allowing random stupid stuff into the suggestion system, it'll easily dilute the quality further then it already is. Remember, suggestions are for Kevan. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:01, 1 July 2009 (BST)

From the notfunny template:

"If you are unsure of a how a suggestion will be viewed by the community, it is recommended that it be placed on the Developing Suggestions page first, to gauge community support, and to improve it before being taken to voting."

As you'll see here i put it to discussion where it met near unanimous approval and i subsequently added it to voting. Oh and it was serious Fiffy needs laser eyes. <3 MoonShine 04:15, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I heard tell that DDR told you it was vandalism on IRC prior to you submitting it but that you (obviously) ignored him. --Cyberbob 04:21, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Not seeing it amongst his contributions though. Prior to this case being brought up, I see nothing warning of the perils of posting the suggestion. --Johnny Bass 04:28, 1 July 2009 (BST)
You dumb? Do you not know what IRC is? --Cyberbob 04:29, 1 July 2009 (BST)
We don't have your fancy IRC's way out here in the countryside. --Johnny Bass 04:30, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Logs or it didn't happen.--xoxo 01:41, 3 July 2009 (BST)
Ask DDR, not me (also lrn2edit) --Cyberbob 01:42, 3 July 2009 (BST)
You're sourcing it and drawing your own conclusions from it, thus if you want anyone to bother taking note of it you should provide the logs. Also move my comment to the incorrect spot again and i'll avb you.--xoxo 01:45, 3 July 2009 (BST)
case is over faygot, also I moved your comment to the correct spot because where you had it had my reply to Johnny Bass looking like a reply to you. go back to school --Cyberbob 01:48, 3 July 2009 (BST)
nice try retard. check the history then get back to me. --xoxo 01:51, 3 July 2009 (BST)
what am I looking for pray tell --Cyberbob 01:52, 3 July 2009 (BST)
you moving my comment to the wrong spot. --xoxo 18:53, 3 July 2009 (BST)
Tell you what. I'll keep moving people's comments to the right spot and you can take me to A/VB if you want. That way we both win. --Cyberbob 02:59, 4 July 2009 (BST)
A win for me would be you accepting you're wrong and moved my comment to an incorrect spot. That, or you flat out denying it while obviously being aware that you fucked up.--xoxo 05:39, 4 July 2009 (BST)
hope u like losing --Cyberbob 05:40, 4 July 2009 (BST)
good try but no.--xoxo 07:04, 4 July 2009 (BST)
im happy i have u to pass judgement on my posts.... im a very insecure person u know --Cyberbob 07:11, 4 July 2009 (BST)

Wiki noob Ephraim here, just found this. I thought a vandal was a person who makes a bad faith edit, and honestly, how is a joke in bad faith? But I wouldn't know, I'm new to these wiki politics. --Ephraim 04:33, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Yep. --Skouth 04:34, 1 July 2009 (BST)
It's a joke in the wrong spot, which is essentially spam. You're free to make funny suggestions but they need to be in the right area. --Cyberbob 04:38, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Yep. --Skouth 04:38, 1 July 2009 (BST)
On the contrary, everyone agreed (Unanimously) on DS that it should be implemented. --Haliman - Talk 04:39, 1 July 2009 (BST)
(they were pretty obviously joking too) --Cyberbob 04:40, 1 July 2009 (BST)
According to his last comment, it doesn't seem like it. --Haliman - Talk 04:41, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Yep, to both of you. --Skouth 04:42, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Suppose we were dead serious about giving Fiffy laser eyes? Then what would you have to say? -- Emot-argh.gif 04:44, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Yep. --Skouth 04:48, 1 July 2009 (BST)
The exact same outcome, except with the added bonus of you being seen as disillusioned. DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:51, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Because if people could get off by just saying 'me and my pals are serious', then every user could slither around the rules regarding humorous suggestions, couldn't they? DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:52, 1 July 2009 (BST)
Nope.--Thadeous Oakley 20:04, 3 July 2009 (BST)
durr hurr --Cyberbob 03:01, 4 July 2009 (BST)