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Nice things

If you want to thank or praise me, do it here

Hmmm

Funny, I was about to give you my award. The picture is already uploaded and everything. --Zaruthustra 06:41, 28 August 2006 (BST)

I'd still go for that. :D –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:43, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Oh snap! Apparently my template hates you. --Zaruthustra 07:07, 28 August 2006 (BST)

CONGRATUMALATIONS!!!111

Template:ZarAward Wear that sucker with pride. --Zaruthustra 07:13, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Haha, awesome. Thanks. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 04:41, 5 September 2006 (BST)

wowzerz u = r0xXoRz

Awesum templ8. Di dyou just get my e-mail from way back? haha. Awesums. I guess you can have your famle back. IF YOU CAN FIND THEM!!! hahahahahahahahahahahahah-That's Why I did your Wife 21:49, 2 August 2006 (BST)

But Banana Bear, I am not Rasher! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:53, 2 August 2006 (BST)

No, I'm pretty sure you're Rasher. Haha. You're in quite the pickle now eh? -That's Why I did your Wife 23:53, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Omg how did u find out? Know what else. You are actually my account. I AM THE REAL DENZEL WASHINGTON HAHAHAHAHAHA! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:01, 3 August 2006 (BST)

OMG!Psyching ftw-That's Why I did your Wife 00:06, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Thanks!

Thanks a bunch. Have a cookie. (These are going to become the next Barnstar!)

	A FREE COOKIE
	Darth Sensitive has given Bob Hammero a cookie for fixing Darth's major stupidity

--Darth Sensitive ^W! 14:58, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Not a problem at all. Sorry I didn't see your email sooner. :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:07, 1 August 2006 (BST)

Template:PolicyVoting

Bob, You Rock! --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 20:09, 28 July 2006 (BST)

Thanks! :) Anything in particular you like about it? (It has yet to be used for policy votes, because it's too new.) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:11, 28 July 2006 (BST)

I just think you rock for putting time behind systems that will ease things down the road. A mods work often goes unsung and its little things like this that add up in the longrun. To be particular the rulebox will make it a lot more obvious for folks who stuble into policy voting from announcment links with no clue about what their contribution should entail. Thanks again. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 20:17, 28 July 2006 (BST)

Thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Sometimes, with vandals running around, misconduct cases springing up, etc., it can be hard to keep on doing the work, but it's comments like yours that make it worthwhile. And thank you once again for your marvelous work with the suburb maps. I doubt you've heard any praise for it (aside from you, I certainly haven't), but I'll bet that there's more than one person who's thankful for those being there. :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:23, 28 July 2006 (BST)

I think I like you

I found you by getting into the tactics discussion on paradox244's talk page. You seem to have quite the level head regarding UD. DHPD-SDC FmrPFCBob 23:28, 23 July 2006 (BST)

Thank you. I've been playing for a long while, so I've seen lots of things go up and down for each side. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:20, 24 July 2006 (BST)

Objectivity

Nice work with that ruling. To be honest, I wasn't actually 100% sure of the applicability of the rule I referenced to the vote in question. Oh well. Just wanted to thank you for a good Arbitration. Cyberbob Talk 08:27, 17 July 2006 (BST)

Hey, no problem. I'm glad you were okay with my work there. :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:55, 17 July 2006 (BST)

There are a couple of niggles I have with the ruling... but certainly nothing major. They have more to do with its wording than the actual ruling. Cyberbob Talk 20:31, 17 July 2006

Thanks for the heads up

Appreciate it. --Jon Pyre 19:39, 9 July 2006 (BST)

Arbitration

Thanks for taking on my arb case. Are you a mod yet? I keep thinking you are but last time you tricked me.-Banana Bear 21:10, 6 July 2006 (BST)
- My pleasure, thanks for picking me. I'm writing up the ruling now. I'm not yet a mod, but I will be in a few days. Hooray! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:12, 6 July 2006 (BST)
  - I don't want to sound like I'm trying to undermine you Mr. SoonToBeModCongratulationsYou, but on my account, you don't need to ban Proffffesor Legend X, as long as what I was hoping to get changed changes, I'm happy. I'm just not sure about banning over arbitration, ever since that whole, Brent bans Zar for not apologizing debacle. In the end its up to you though, and congrats again. -Banana Bear 21:56, 6 July 2006 (BST)
    - Hm, you're right about that debacle. Perhaps I should redact that. Thanks again, too. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:00, 6 July 2006 (BST)

Template:Celebrating

I didn't see your template until a few hours after I made Template:Wikipendence. I really wasn't trying to one-up you with my template; I found it humorous that we both basically had the same idea. -- Rueful 21:27, 9 June 2006 (BST)

No problem. It's definitely cause for celebration. So is the GANKBUS really gone? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:38, 12 June 2006 (BST)

More or less. Idiots as big as Amazing come by once in a lifetime, I really don't think it's possible to find someone worthy of gassin' the bus back up for. -- Rueful 14:43, 12 June 2006 (BST)

Oh and when I say "big" regarding Amazing I am referring to both his idiocy and his girth. -- Rueful 14:49, 12 June 2006 (BST)

You could always team up with ASS. Or target Zod Rhombus for his crime against humanity. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 15:44, 12 June 2006 (BST)

Shite. They've got to be joking. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 17:21, 12 June 2006 (BST)

You would hope, but even if this is a joke, it still violates three different international conventions. Warning, Xoid may be full of shit. It actually violates 12 conventions. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 17:54, 12 June 2006 (BST)

...That fuckwit's taking credit for your wiki-drama template. Also, does anyone else find it powerfully ironic that the "Touched by the hand of AMAZING" image they've got shows his hand on a little boy? I mean, you'd think after the shitfit he threw over Scinfaxi's stuff he'd be a little more careful about something like that... --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 21:47, 12 June 2006 (BST)

He's taking credit? Where? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:45, 13 June 2006 (BST)

I presume that's what the big List o' Templates on that page is intended to do. I'm pretty sure every other one on there is an Amazing creation. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 03:32, 13 June 2006 (BST)

One was made by Toast Boy, another by Karlsbad. (The amazing fan club one. It actually isn't meant to be a pro amazing template — more a sarcastic jab at him.) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:03, 13 June 2006 (BST)

Suggestion response

Thank You. I'm still learning how to do this. Incidentally, that suggestion is sort of broken. When clicking on edit, it sends me to edit Executions above. I don't know if its something wrong with my browser, or if somehow I broke the wiki. Zizanie13 20:55, 3 June 2006 (BST)

No problem. Feel free to ask me for help if you have any questions. I'm having the same problem on the suggestion page. I'll look it over and see if I can figure out what's going on. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:03, 3 June 2006 (BST)

RE:Your suggestion

I don't see it written anywhere in the link you gave me about Spam, however, I will not do it unless I need to from now on. And I didn't know about not doing it to kills either. Sorry Zizanie13

Don't worry about it. I don't personally have a problem with it, but I thought you should know, in case someone else brought it up. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 06:54, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Thank you card from the 'BUS

Thanks for reporting! / Delta flyer just got warned. / You fight the good fight. :-* Rueful 04:31, 8 May 2006 (BST)

It is my pleasure / CDF can suck ASS off / Proud to help GANKBUS --Bob Hammero _ASS 04:43, 8 May 2006 (BST)

LOLOL I M OOT OF DARFALL HEYTE!

Right now I'm riding a random murder train, but I think I might ride back to darvall. And on that day, we can be together again. I will not forget you, my sweet Bob.- Banana¯\(o_º)/¯Bear

I can't wait for that day! Come be with us now so your kills can fill our trophy list. --Bob Hammero _ASS 05:04, 8 May 2006 (BST)

Do kills from far away still get counted? what about kills of people I think are CDF but are really anti-CDF and then I feel dumb? -Banana¯\(o_º)/¯Bear

If you join us, every kill you make gets counted. Plus you get to repeatedly point out how inept Amazing is. Also, you get to be fucking cool (not that you aren't already, but you get to be even MORE fucking cool). --Bob Hammero _ASS 05:08, 8 May 2006 (BST)

PS: don't feel dumb, sometimes we make mistakes too (I know, it's strange but true). --Bob Hammero _ASS 05:09, 8 May 2006 (BST)

Management issues

This is for serious issues related to moderation, arbitration, vandal banning, page deletions, and things of that nature. Use one of the subcategories below to discuss these issues

Moderation/Bureaucrat Bids

Discussion relating to bids for moderator and bureaucrat

Max Grivas

I have not yet established a gold in the basket policy but I hope we could work something out. --Max Grivas ^{JG,T,P!,Bob06!} 09:25, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Without doubt or hesitation. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 16:59, 30 August 2006 (BST)

	Gold in the Basket
	Max Grivas sees the basket as half full not half empty. He wants to fix it.

--Max Grivas ^{JG,T,Max4Mod,F!} 04:51, 31 August 2006 (BST)

bureaucrat bid

You seen to have put yourself up for being a bureacrat. May I point out that kevan hasn't actually agreed to promote anyone yet.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 09:00, 30 July 2006 (BST)

You are entirely right, but I figure that since he wanted someone before, and that person has since left, he probably still wants someone in that role. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:01, 30 July 2006 (BST)

I'd say that it's a bit too soon after you've been made a moderator to run for it.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 09:02, 30 July 2006 (BST)

You might be right, but I'm not going to back out just because of that. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:03, 30 July 2006 (BST)

Cans

I'm curious about this edit. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 19:45, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Easy. My comment, at least, was on Matthew's top-level comment, and the other two looked as though they were, as well. I'm even pretty sure that mine was indented correctly to begin with. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:46, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Promotion

djeez a bit eager are we... I didn't even have a change to get my morning coffee... well congrats and long live the new sysop.

Hip Hip Hurrah!--Vista 08:39, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Sorry... yeah, I was a bit eager. Thank you. :D Huzzah! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:41, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Congratz Bob! --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 08:42, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Thanks. :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:34, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Hee! And I still remember the day I gave you that warning on Wikigate case :D Congratulations! --Brizth ^{mod T W!} 09:32, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Ah yeah, those were the good old days. ;) Thank you, and thanks for giving me a second chance! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:34, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Well the good thing is that everything does ask for conformation. (and seeing that I learned to work with it it's all idiot proof as well). You've got protect and delete above as tabs, both work by going to the appropriate page, simply click and follow the instructions you get. if the page is already deleted or protected, you'll see that the button changes to undelete and unprotect. and un-deleting or protecting works the same. I'd say just use the sandbox page to try them out. It's purpose is to let people learn about wiki editing and etc. Learning how your sysop powers work qualifies under that as well, If somebody gives you troubles just blame me.

Banning users is equally simple, under special pages you'll see at the bottem a couple of new pages one of them lets you ban people. (Yep, it's the Block user page) You can also go the block user page via recent changes. (handy with vandals like the 3 Page Vandle) you'll get (It'll ask for a user name, it has a dropdown list with ban times and a optional time imput thingamabob (needed if you want to ban somebody for 2 days) and a imput thingamabob to say why the user is getting banned. You can practise that by rebanning an adbot for an infite amount of time if you want (it really is very simple, you'll get everything right first time). Good luck.--Vista 10:25, 11 July 2006 (BST)

OK, thanks again. I think I'll get the hang of it. :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 15:46, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Like, who died and made you number one, hm? Congratulations, and all that. Now get out there and make us proud. Or something. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 12:55, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Sir, yessir! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 15:46, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Just noticed your comment on Kevan's talk page. It's not that much of an improvement to the interface really, now is it? I actually had to go and add the 2 day block time to "block user" function. Jeeze. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 15:56, 11 July 2006 (BST)

How did you add it?--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 09:18, 12 July 2006 (BST)

It's not tremendously different, but it's still nice. I was glad to hunt down some of the old images and so on... deletionist at heart, y'know. ;) Oh, and did you see? Looks like Uncyclopedia is allowing use of the ParserFunctions extension. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 15:59, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Your Promotion

Hey, you could ask Vista to promote you, instead of "bothering" the all powerfull and ever lord of us all. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 06:54, 11 July 2006 (BST)

I did. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:55, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Oh, sorry. I don't have Vista's Talk Page on my watchlist =P. BTW i can't seem to come up with a way to archive my talk page that beat yours... --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 06:59, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Well, yeah. Every part of every one of my pages is infinitely superior to every other page on the wiki combined. Everyone knows that. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:06, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Too bad the guy that made these wonders is such an... nevermind. =P --Matthew Fahrenheit ^YRC☺T☺+1 07:09, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Moderation bid question

I won't vote on it as long as I have my own promotion bid running and I can't speak of other voters ofcourse so I can offer you no insight on how your new promotion bid will go. But most comments that questioned your suitabilaty were about the problems you had with amazing and the short duration of your time here. Since then you have had no significant promblem with other users, Amazing is no longer present on this wiki and you have spend more time here. I'd say that you have listened to the imput and addressed the problems enough to at least try again. Good luck if you decide to do it.--Vista 00:06, 25 June 2006 (BST)

Thank you for your advice. I will definitely be running again next month, so we'll see what happens then. Thanks again, and good luck to you on your Bureaucrat bid! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:16, 25 June 2006 (BST)

Re: Moderation

Might as well place my comment here :-) Yeah, I knew you applied for modship. I was going to vote for, but you pulled your bid before I managed to do that. So I think that kind of answers your question. And I see you have been busy with your contributions. There shouldn't be any problems, though the wiki population is rather unpredictable. --Brizth ^{mod T W!} 22:14, 20 June 2006 (BST)

Alright, well that certainly makes me feel better. Thanks in advance, and here's hoping that the crazy wiki ocean doesn't throw me, come July. :-) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:21, 20 June 2006 (BST)

Vandal Banning

For discussing vandalism, vandals, and vandal banning

2nd Warning

~~Please do not remove people's votes on this wiki. If you continue this behaviour, your editing privileges will be revoked. This is your last warning. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:49, 29 August 2006 (BST)~~

My Warning

Excuse me? What? --^(user)(talk) 06:48, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Impersonation. Check M/VB. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:50, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Codified Policies?

I've been following a lot of the Vandal Banning, Arbitration and Deletion proceedings to try to get a solid handle on what is allowable and what isn't. I've tried to be active where appropriate, and I've gotten some helpful information there, but I think that some of the issues would be simplified if someone began codifying the rules and policies and made a little pocket wiki full of precedent and law. I realize it's a daunting task, but it would simplify and accelerate rulings to be able to point to Rule 8, section 4 which states "No user shall...". Even a partial set of laws would be helpful, so any progress towards that end would be beneficial. I think it would be a good addition to the community, and vandals could be pointed in the right direction to ammend their behavior. It also would reduce some of the differences of opinion in some of the rulings, as a clear rule can't be disputed.
I picture us starting off with broad categories (each having a different wiki page) and then fill them in as moderators and higher ups see fit. This is all dependant on the assumption that such a system of law does not currently exist. What do you (and anyone else reading this) think? --Kiki Lottaboobs 14:57, 19 August 2006 (BST)

The more codified the rules, the less flexible we are in allowing good faith edits while actually punishing bad faith edits. Bad faith trumps everything except arb. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 15:46, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Well, certianly everything doesn't have to be codified, but it would give people a bechmark, and keep mods on the same page. For instance, a recent ruling was made where a ban was issued against a user who edited a group page he was not affiliated with and very recently, a mod ruled that a similar case was not vandalism. This leads me to believe that the rule isn't "Only users affiliated with a given group may edit that group's page" but something else, or something more complex. I don't propose that the law be a highly complicated structure, but without a skeleton rulings can be capricious, and will lack consistency. Xoid, do you think that perhaps even the broad strokes are a kind of Platonic ideal? --Kiki Lottaboobs 00:38, 20 August 2006 (BST)

The rule is this: any edit in bad faith is vandalism. There are innumerable moderator decisions, policy pages, arbitration rulings, unwritten rules, private agreements, convincing arguments, and all other manner of communications that make up the realm of Wiki Law. It's far broader and more nebulous than you would imagine — and that's a good thing. When you boil it all the way down, it's based partly on written rules, and partly on judgement, and that's exactly how it should be. I don't see any way to make a book of wiki rules, and I think such a thing would be extremely damaging. Which would you rather have: a moderator who is rigidly tied to a rule, and can never stray from it even in the most obvious cases, or a moderator who follows the rules, and is allowed to use his or her judgement in gray areas? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:06, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I see what your concern is, and I agree with you - having too strict rules would be a detriment. However, I think it is a positive step to take some steps to educate the wiki of some of the more broad concepts. If I could beg your indulgence, I'd like you to review what I put together in User:Kiki Lottaboobs/Sandbox and let me know what problems you see in it. It may well be that the laws and policies here are too effemeral to be written down, but I'm confident that something can be done. Give it an honest read, if you disagree, tell me why. Thanks. --Kiki Lottaboobs 01:22, 29 August 2006 (BST)

Question about vandals

Hey, I can't figure out how to 'warn' vandals and mark them on the M/VB. Are only mods allowed to do that? Because I have just caught two moments of clear vandalism. --Luigi Galleani 14:48, 18 August 2006 (BST)

I'll field your question, since I'm online and Bob isn't :P

Anyway, you make a report on M/VB regarding the vandalism. Make sure to include diff comparison links of the edits in question. Cyberbob Talk 14:53, 18 August 2006 (BST)

My second warning

I have to ask about this. Did you, or did you not read where this came from? --Gold Blade 21:36, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Please use level three headings at the top of subsections. Thanks. I read the vandalism report, and you obviously struck his vote when he provided a reason (he doesn't like that kind of idea). What more do I need to know? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:38, 3 August 2006 (BST)

So i could say that Spam is a valid vote on every one of his suggestions because I dont like the way its worded? It comes to about the same validity.--Gold Blade 21:41, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Lyk lol bob. u shood lyk giv him a braek. lyk lol vandals have lyk feelins 2 u no. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 21:44, 3 August 2006 (BST)

It comes down to my judgement that you struck his vote in bad faith. Unless you have evidence to convince me otherwise, my warning stands. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:45, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Why i struck it out: The way I interpreted the voting guidelines, Kill votes must tell why it was voted a such, what could use improvement and advising to revise the suggestion to better quality. Spam votes must show why the suggestion is unfixable, like the whole idea being broken. I decided that hating a suggestion because it falls into a certain category is not showing how the suggestion is unfixable. Not because the vote went against my idea. --Gold Blade 21:54, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Sorry. The rules state that a valid reason must be given, not that a particular kind of valid reason must be given. His reason — that he didn't like that kind of suggestion — is a valid one, so his vote was valid. If you don't like the current policies, you are free to start a discussion to change them. You'll find the rules to do that on the suggestions talk page. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:00, 3 August 2006 (BST)

This s a pertfect example of a good (by my definition) Spam vote by Gage himself.[1]--Gold Blade

That's great. My warning stands. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:06, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Dude, seriously, shut the fuck up. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 22:12, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Do you still feel that I purposefully did something i knew was wrong? --Gold Blade 23:37, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Did I not make myself clear before? Unless you have something substantive to add, please stop nagging me. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:42, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Bring him to Arby's. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 23:59, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Ad Bots

Take a look at this : http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Special:Listusers. I think the other moderators need to be told of how many adbots there are. Unless they already know. All the same, I thought it would be a good thing to inform a moderator of. Andrew McM ^W! 03:28, 3 August 2006 (BST)

I know, a lot ain't there? I believe that almost all of them have been banned on previous occasions. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:15, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Yeah, lots of them. Thanks. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:38, 3 August 2006 (BST)

~~2nd Warning~~

Please do not create templates targeting a specific user this wiki. If you continue this behaviour, your editing privileges will be revoked. This is your last warning. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 02:05, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Retracted, as per M/VB. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:15, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Kiki's Warning

I think you messed up the text of the warning on her talk page. She was busted for moving things on Vandal Banning, not suggestions, wasn't she? --Darth Sensitive ^W! 06:12, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Oops. Yes, you're right. Thanks, going to fix now. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:15, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Promotions page

Sorry for wiping part of the promotions page, it was an accident.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 09:04, 30 July 2006 (BST)

I know, hence my correcting it instead of actually reporting you. ;) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:05, 30 July 2006 (BST)

HELP!!!

I know I am supposed to talk to a Moderator for problems, right? well, a user named ImperialRedDragon has just deleted all the information under the pages "Revive points" "Building Types" and "Mobile Phone Mast" and isn't done yet! what should we do?!?!--Canuhearmenow 19:56, 23 July 2006 (BST)

Can you please try to put your headers in the right place in the future? Anyway, it looks like the problem is fixed now. In the future, what you should do is:

File a vandalism report on M/VB
Start reverting his edits. You do this by clicking on "history," clicking on the revision just before his, clicking "edit," and then clicking "save" (moderators have a button that they can click that does all of that, but that's the process you'll have to go through)

Thanks for letting me know about the idiot, anyway. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:16, 23 July 2006 (BST)

Warning to Ron Burgundy

It's not a problem, man. You mods have a hard job and these things happen. Stay Classy! :) --Ron Burgundy 08:47, 20 July 2006 (BST)

MrAushvitz

I think everyone will agree with you that he deserved that warning, but be more careful. As I see it, you reported AND warned him yourself, when the usual practice is that the same moderator can't place a report and serve justice himself except for vandal alts. The General got a misconduct case for that reason, correct me if I'm wrong. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 02:24, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Thank you, but technically moderators have that right, regardless of the fact that The General had a misconduct case filed against him. Read M/G. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:36, 18 July 2006 (BST)

3pwv

Well, I can't beat your magic "revert" button. =( --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:37, 16 July 2006 (BST)

No, that is one of the satisfying things about being a mod. :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:04, 16 July 2006 (BST)

Miltown suburb page

BobHammero, I finally saw your warnings on the bottom of my talk page. Apparently there is no convention for adding posts--many people add posts to the top so that new messages are the first ones owners see. If I had seen your warning sooner I would have replied to it immediately.

Regarding my editing of the Miltown Current Events page (what you call my vandalism), we Doom Patrolers are getting tired of Coalition members acting like they own the page. When events happen, as when Coalition humans begin objectively working in close cooperation with their undead friends, we feel it is an event worthy of posting. We think that visitors to Miltown should be made aware of the character of those around them, when possible. Tagging events in Miltown, in which "Another Coalition Victory" shows up on the wall of an NT building the day it is ransacked by Coalition zeds, suspiciously hint that live Coalition members are handling spray cans for dead ones. Further, secure buildings with survivors in them in the middle of a pack of secure buildings suddenly fall to Coalition zeds shortly after known Coalition humans show up to monitor where the humans are. How coincidental is it that this same pattern--Coalition zeds picking JUST the right building while leaving surrounding buidings untouched--happens over and over again? Is it really so unreasonable under such circumstances to post these events on the Current Events page?

I admit that stripping the page was an act of utter frustration that resulted from Rayvern moving several DP posts that documented the insidious acts of Coalition humans. I counter his charge of vandalism with one of my own. Factual Current Events belong on the Current Events page, don't they? Or must all current events be originated and vetted by the Coalition?

Rayvern has stated that his reason for moving DP Current Events posts is because there are no facts to back up the claims made. But a similar statement could be made about most posts on most Current Events sections for all of Malton. For example, right here in Miltown, what lack of activity was there on 26.20 that suddenly made the Coalition's 27.00 frequency the defacto band? I tell you the only lack of activity happened when Coalition humans GK every generator in town! How's that for a Current Event? But I guarantee that if we posted such fact-based events on the page, ol' Rayvern would edit them right away. In this case, though, I changed the short-wave box to indicate that 26.20 is the band for Miltown and 27.00 is the Coalitions' frequency, but even THAT change was reverted! Check the wiki, would you! 26.20 has been the Miltown band since long before the Coalition assembled their shortwave bureau or whatever they call it. Why is it that even fact-based Current Events aren't good enough for the Miltown wiki when they put the Coalition in an honest but not complimentary light?

I guess what I would like clarification on is, exactly what rules govern what constitutes an authorized Current Event? If the standard is that all Current Events must be fact-based with 95% confidence, then I feel that standard should be adopted system wide. Of course, that would result in the majority of information on most wiki pages being deleted. So what is the standard? And why does Rayvern have god-mode turned on in the editing department?

One final point: after posting the first Current Event message associating the curious tags celebrating Coalition zed victories with Coalition humans, I explicitly requested that no editing happen without first consulting with us. Rayvern ignored that request and instead wrote that he edited after *notifying* us of his intentions. In international affairs, one country doesn't fire a missile over another's airspace then send a notification of the fact unless the aggressor wants to duke it out. The civilized approach is consultation about what one *intends* to do, not notification. That act was the last straw. It shifted the nature of our relationship in the direction of a warlike state. And for that, I get threats of banning? puleeease...

Q240z 18:40, July 13, 2006 (EST)

OK look. Your post is quite long, so I'm sorry if I missed something in it, but here's the gist. I don't know anything about your group, or your competition's group, so I really can't say what is factual and what is not, who did what, who did what in response, or whatever. And no, you don't have to have "proof" or "authority" to put information on a suburb page. But from my viewpoint, your edits looked like vandalism: removing and editing content, blanking the page, etc. If you can show me that the edits I warned you for were in good faith, then I would be willing to reconsider my warnings. As it is however, I think your edits were in bad faith. Whatever is happening in the game, I don't particularly care. This isn't the game, this is the wiki for the game, and bad-faith edits are considered vandalism. If you are having a legitimate dispute over "ownership" of the suburb page (no one person or group, by the way, can claim ownership of a suburb page), I suggest you take it to arbitration. There are many unbiased arbitrators there who can help you resolve the dispute. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:02, 14 July 2006 (BST)

I realise this may not be the correct place for this response, but the above essay does have a couple of points that leap out and beg for some kind of reply.

-Firstly....The only sections of posts that were moved were related to accusations against Coalition members - not actual events (It's worth noting that passing off false accusations as truth counts as Libel). In EVERY case the new location of each move was noted along side the reason for it's move - Nothing was deleted.

-Secondly, every group wants their frequency as the official one for the suburb. I have no issue with both being listed as suburb frequencies (unfortunately that particular change occured alongside some other strippings and it got lost in the reversion).

-Thirdly, Postings regarding Coalition GKing remain on the main page....why? Because I don't argue that point. It may put them in a bad light to some, but it's true.

-Fourthly, Each accusation has had a response on the discussion page. You just need to read them (I will admit that the discussion page is a little bit of a mess at the moment and it's not obvious what is in response to what, but I'm loath to start shifting everything about in case I lose something).

-Fifthly, requests to move new or repeated accusations to the discussion page were put up early and clearly, along with the reason why. Once the dispute is resolved a note can be added to the main events page stating that fact - but lets not fill up the first page visitors see with a dispute. You ignored this request for a tidy Miltown.

I'm hoping that whatever the DPers have twisted up can be untwisted so we can just get on with adding content to the Wiki, rather than hacking bits out of it with a blunt axe. (my apologies to bob for filling up even more of his page - I'll keep further posts on this subject on the Miltown discussion page) Rayvern 00:35, 14 July 2006 (BST)

It's strange that you post replies on your own page at the top, but warnings you post on the bottom of those you're threatening. The cheeky note was a nice touch, though.

And I apologize for imposing so much reading on you. I realize it's a burden for some.

But what, exactly, do you mean by good faith? Trying to improve the flow of information about current events in Miltown stikes me as a good faith effort, even if Ray and the clan don't like their dirty laundry being aired. Yet doing so results in Rayvern removing and otherwise editing (vandalizing?) our posts. When Rayvern demonstrated today his editorial god-mode regarding what constitutes Coalition-approved Current Events (we must have our case fully laid out, with exhibits and so forth), it inspired me to perform a good faith house cleaning of the page to make sure that the lofty Coalition standard is imposed on everyone fairly. Not only did that act get me a warning on the bottom of my page, but all of that "standardizing" work was reverted to boot! When I tried in good faith to make sure that the radio frequency information more correctly reflected the truth in Miltown, that got me warning #2 and AGAIN the truth was subverted. Yet Rayvern can remove fact-based posts from the main page without fear of reprisal just because he doesn't approve of the truthful content? Where's the good faith in that? Hell, your vandalism rule in this case every zed-loving spies' dream!

Bottom line: Rayvern instigated this problem, then whined to you when I responded in kind. Doom Patrolers don't think we own the main page and we have no interest in going to arbitration about it. I've already wasted enough time on this. But when we post events of the day, we expect them to remain. If our fact-based posts get edited by anybody but Doom Patrol members, we consider it vandalism and will respond in kind.

Q240z 21:03, July 13, 2006 (EST)

I'm going to say this only one time, and one time only. Notice how you deleted a bunch of shit off of my talk page? That's vandalism. That's in bad faith. You don't have the right to remove content off of my page. I frankly don't care if you were "cleaning up" the wiki; your edits violate our policies, and so, you were vandalizing. I don't care about who did what to whom in the game. This isn't the game. This is the wiki. If you have a legitimate complaint about the way that page is being managed, take it to arbitration. But you do not endear me by vandalizing my page as well. Unless you have some substantive proof, with links, to show me that you didn't deserve your vandalism warnings, I'm done with this issue. You can take it to Arbitration, or if you think your foes have committed vandalism, Vandal Banning, but I'm tired of your hyperbole. As for where I post replies, I have established specific guidelines for my talk page. For yours, a standard, run-of-the-mill talk page without established guidelines, I used the default assumption: new heading at the bottom. If you have a legitimate complaint, make it. If you're here to whine, get out. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:42, 14 July 2006 (BST)

Miltown

Hi. I'm concerned about whether my own editing practices on the Miltown wiki page are appropriate. Q240z has repeated his earlier stripping of the page (though not to the same extent as before) and, while I do feel strongly about shifting some things to the discussion page, I don't want to get involved in any reverting of pages as I don't feel that would be appropriate. Can you offer any advice as to how I should proceed with this continuing issue? Rayvern 20:00, 13 July 2006 (BST)

As far as I can tell, your conduct is fine. Q240z's conduct, however, strongly resembles vandalism. You should revert any vandalism-like changes that he has made, and report him to Vandal Banning. I warned him once for his changes, and submitted a report on later ones (I don't think I'm able to warn him and report him for the same offenses). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:10, 13 July 2006 (BST)

Thanks. I have reverted the page and put in another report at Vandal Banning. Apologies for the incorrect placing of my original post. --Rayvern

Not a big deal. If he keeps it up, just report him again and we'll take care of it. Actually, he should be banned for 24 hours when the next mod deals with my report on him. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:25, 13 July 2006 (BST)

Arsehole

"Addendum: perhaps another reason to upgrade to the latest version of MediaWiki? I wonder if that bug has been fixed. –Bob Hammero T•W!•P! 03:58, 10 July 2006 (BST)"

It's a fundamental flaw in the program. Unless they have gone and rewritten some of the major components while I wasn't looking, and never bothered upping the version number, then this is still there, even in the latest version. Hell, I had the same problem in 1.6.x and 1.7.x, so I'm certain that it will be at least 1.8.x before it gets nailed. Don't be so distrusting. He may have gone and acted like a douche, but there is no reason to ignore Grim s' own hard-learnt experience with the vagaries of MediaWiki. (By issuing a second M/VB report saying that you don't buy it.) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:03, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Was I a little on edge? Yeah. But honestly, the way that fuckwit has overreacted and shown himself to be a real asshole makes me not regret it at all. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:39, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Funny, isn't it? I would've been more militant in my "reprimanding" you had it not of been for his outburst. There is a line between getting your point across and whatever the fuck… that that was, he certainly crossed it. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:50, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Bah, what the fucking ever. You can still reprimand me or whatever if you want to (I'm more miffed at Gage's digging into me to kiss up to the bastard). I'm so tempted to resurrect the best part of Wikigate, a quote from Rasher: "AD HOMINEM ATTACKS ARE FALLACIOUS AND YOU ARE MAKING PEOPLE LAUGH AT YOU ON THE INTERNET" –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:54, 10 July 2006 (BST)

You've got a fan

WTF is it with these idiots? They're really proving that they are the smart ones, right? Fuckwits. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 14:12, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Their intelligence, wit, and creativity is just incredible. Maybe next time they'll be really stealthy and use unbreakable ROT-26 encryption! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 17:00, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Wouldn't put it past them. (And sorry for not following your talk page rules. >_< I just remembered them when I saw the reording of the sections.) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 17:17, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Don't worry about it. Ordering of the sections is one of the more minor points, and I've been known to forget where someone prefers new messages as well. It annoys me more when someone ignores the entire set of rules and just uses the "+" button to add a new subsection to the bottom of the page (damn n00bs). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 17:19, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Vandal!

You eeeeevil man. :p — it seems everyone is getting that problem nowdays. I swear that it is the latest vesion of FF… I *never* got this problem before upgrading. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:29, 30 June 2006 (BST)

Wow, what the fuck? Does it have an auto-vandal mode or something? (Maybe 3page works for Mozilla.) Sorry about that. I never even noticed. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 16:57, 30 June 2006 (BST)

Three page vandal

Don't report him single file, we catch him through recent changes. If you want to help just go to Ip block log and get all the names we block and post them at ones both in vandal report and vandal data under PQN. That way we keep our administation in order--Vista 21:21, 8 June 2006 (BST)

I know, I'm at a los my self... a thirtheen year old boy with to much hormones I think. Thanks for the help though. But we mods have a very nice button that makes reverting just one click. It's so easy that it's laughable--Vista 21:28, 8 June 2006 (BST)

My pleasure. That revert button is one of the tools I'm really looking forward to, assuming I'm promoted to mod next time I run. In the meantime, I'll just keep reverting this guy's crap the old fashioned way. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:32, 8 June 2006 (BST)

NONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONONNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I am NOT PQN, ok. Me and him and both COMPLETELY seperate people (well actually I WAS PQN #3 but thats a different story), What PQN does is horrible even for MY standards. I just have used his name recently to get the SHOCK FACTOR, ok. 2 Different people, I am more, shall we say, "large scale" on the matters of vandleism. That is all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nononononon (talk • contribs) .

Did I step over the line?

Did I step over the line with banning Amazing and Scinfaxi? I felt that I had to ban those two; it was simply going to escalate into a full-on shit flinging match. Yet again. I guess I'm looking for reassurance that I did the right thing. Your thoughts? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:21, 2 June 2006 (BST)

Okay. In most circumstances, I would say that banning might not be the best decision. However, given the circumstances, and the limited duration of the ban, I think you did the right thing. I hate to say it, but I really doubt whether or not either Scinfaxi or Amazing would be capable of stopping their drama-fest, much less stop arguing in the middle of the, as you aptly put it, shit flinging match. They're both in the wrong here, and I will support your decision if anyone takes issue with it. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 08:16, 2 June 2006 (BST)

In any case, The General just unbanned them, so I expect you'll be hearing from him fairly soon, Xoid. --A Bothan Spy ^{Mod WTF U!} 08:25, 2 June 2006 (BST)

Keep me apprised. If there's anything I can do, let me know. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 08:27, 2 June 2006 (BST)

Looks to me like he just got back to him... check the Recent Changes. --A Bothan Spy ^{Mod WTF U!} 08:28, 2 June 2006 (BST)

Ah geez. Okay, question: is there anything governing what punishments can be dealt? A warning, maybe, but a 2 hour ban? --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 08:32, 2 June 2006 (BST)

Recruitment Page

Since User:Love Duke decided to change many, many entries on the recruitment page at once, I decided to revert to the version just before his. Please review the recruitment page, and apply any changes necessary to keep your group up to date. Sorry for the inconvenience. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:29, 20 May 2006 (BST) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:28, 20 May 2006 (BST)

Looks fine. Thanks for your help. --Bob Hammero ^ASS•U! 19:51, 20 May 2006 (BST)

Deletions/Speedy Deletions

Discuss the deletion of pages here

Deletions of recent images?

Hey Bob I noticed you just deleted a ton of images. From my understanding and from one of your coments I thought you had to go through the speedy deletions page first. Could you clear this up for me since I am probably wrong. The Devil 02:35, 25 August 2006 (BST)

You would generally be correct. However, we are allowed to delete images that are a month old or older and unused without going through any page. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 04:41, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Recreating deleted pages

Sorry, I don't know the best placee to put this but it is from the disscussion on my users page: Oh! Sorry. I made them based of some other threads i looked at. Sorry, didn't know. You won't mind if I redid the objectives on Seirra's main page then, right?--Severance hope 20:07, 24 August 2006 (BST)

From Severance hope's talk page:

No, that's fine. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:26, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Ω

Ω ... Can you reinstate this or does it have to be recreated? Not sure what the criteria for deciding it was worthless was/is but the group remains active and misses its wiki entry. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ω (talk • contribs) .

It looks like it's been undeleted for you. In the future, Undeletions is the page you want. :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:28, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Deletions Queue

Again, sorry. I didn't realize it had to go at the top of the page. My apologies. Xigyac 03:00, 14 July 2006 (BST)

Let me know when you realize that you're a pathetic asshole. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:02, 14 July 2006 (BST)

Voting on Speedy Deletions

Sorry, I really didn't realize I couldn't vote there. My bad. Xigyac 02:49, 14 July 2006 (BST)

Don't worry about it. I just wanted to make sure you know that I'm not doing it as part of ASS, I'm doing it as a moderator. If you expanded that page it would be one thing, but as it is, it's just the template. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:51, 14 July 2006 (BST)

No, they're not

"Unused images are deleted automatically? I didn't know that. Awesome. –Bob Hammero T•W!•P! 21:45, 20 June 2006 (BST)"

They're not, it's just that moderators are allowed to hunt down old images and revisions to purge them. (Without going through the speedy deletions process.) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 11:30, 26 June 2006 (BST)

How old does an image have to be to be deleted in that way? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:47, 27 June 2006 (BST)

One month. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:24, 27 June 2006 (BST)

And just to note that because of technical limits, we are actually deleting images that are over a month old and are currently unused. Not images that have been unused for a month (since we don't have any way of checking). --Brizth ^{mod T W!} 10:29, 27 June 2006 (BST)

story page

Moderation/Deletions Hi Bob! Mind to reconsider your vote on story (which is now renamed for your convenience). While i would greatly appreciate a 'Keep', a change of vote into 'Merge' would still be nice. Akimbomidget

I'm a little busy at the moment, but I'll look at that again in a few days. Thanks for letting me know. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 16:50, 25 June 2006 (BST)

I've reviewed things again, and I'm sorry, but I'm keeping my vote as it is. If you really want to have your backstory be part of the "official unofficial" backstory of Malton, my advice is to write it in in the User namespace (e.g., on a subpage of your user page), then contact 'STER when you're done and talk about merging it into the Outbreak Lexicon. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:54, 27 June 2006 (BST)

Your Question

It's pretty much the first four of what you posted, just condensed. --ThunderJoe 18:36, 28 May 2006 (BST)

The link just goes to the editing page though. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 18:37, 28 May 2006 (BST)

I just noticed that. It was SUPPOSED to be to what you linked. I just screwed up. Sorry about that. --ThunderJoe 18:39, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Not a problem. I figured you had just pasted the wrong link in. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 18:43, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Content deletion

BobHammero, Deletion works by nominating a specific page, not specific content. The content is now in a user page also, but the actual page is stil there. as the content is dubbled the page up for deletion is redundant, seeing that in your vote on the redirect stated that one page is enough I thought you'd like to know.--Vista ^W! 22:19, 17 May 2006 (BST)

No deletion vote

Sorry could you point where I didn't put in a Delete or Keep I cant find where you mean. *note this is not some attempt at dry witt I actually don't know where you mean* Kripcat - ^I.U.S.S 08:27, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Not a problem. You wrote on the entries for RuleZero, The OTHER Vengabeans, Operation: Beard Hammer, and PKer Team Scourge, but didn't actually specify exactly what your vote was, which means that you probably won't be counted in the final tally unless it's changed. Not an enormous issue, but still important. --Bob Hammero ^W!•U! 08:35, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Arbitration

Issues relating to arbitration belong here

You v. God

I replied to your commentary on my talk page. I also really hope that the new link in your sig to ASS doesn't stand for "Assault on God". That would go against the baiting part of the ruling. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 20:02, 15 August 2006 (BST)

"Assault on Stupid Survivors - Old Guard." Read ASS's recent news. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:08, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Good enough. Why? --Darth Sensitive

^W! 20:20, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Why what? I wanted to make my signature reflect my being Old Guard now. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:28, 15 August 2006 (BST)

No. My bad, I wasn't clear. Why leave ASS? --Darth Sensitive

^W! 20:33, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Ah. Well, a whole bunch of reasons, really. The biggest ones, however, are that I'm going to have far less time to devote to Urban Dead soon, and I've been growing gradually less and less interested in the game (and lately, even the wiki). I hardly ever log in and play anymore, to be honest. If I tried to keep on leading ASS, I would have eventually killed it, so the time eventually came where I had to just hand over control. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:46, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Matthewfarenheit vs Cyberbob240

We have agreed for you to arbitrate on our case. Do you accept? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 01:38, 16 July 2006 (BST)

I accept the terms, but must I say so on the Arbitration page or the page should stay as it is? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 02:40, 17 July 2006 (BST)

You can say so there if you want, but you don't have to. To be totally honest, you don't really have a choice about whether or not you accept them, but I'm glad you're okay with the terms anyway. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:58, 17 July 2006 (BST)

Well, the only thing I feared was an extremely restrictive ruling, like some of the Wikigate, but two weeks are OK for me. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 03:01, 17 July 2006 (BST) PS: Thanks for taking on the case and for the objectivity you showed. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 03:04, 17 July 2006 (BST)

Not a problem. And I don't give extremely restrictive rulings unless it's really necessary -- the personal guideline that I usually go by for arbitration is "what is the minimum amount that needs to happen to resolve the entire issue, and keep it from happening again?". –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:06, 17 July 2006 (BST)

Which is the way it should be. Would've preferred not to be so restrictive in the one case I ruled on, but I doubted the ability of the participants to at least be civil with each other. Too much bad blood. This in contrast was merely a momentary spat. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:47, 19 July 2006 (BST)

Sonny vs Myself

If you look into my group page as sonny himself suggested, you will find that he has slandered me mercilessly (spell check?) on my talk page. I find swearing very offensive even if some people don't. And on a side note, Go ahead and delete the throc stuff. Joke passed. And as more evidence to his small issue with swearing, he nearly let one slip while fileing the report in the first place. And I don't know if this is where I should write this, but you seem like a decent person if you want to take the case go ahead.--Labine50 ^MHG 21:30, 8 June 2006 (BST)

If you want me to arbitrate, you should state so on the Arbitration page, under your case heading. Then, if Sonny agrees, I can take the case. If you guys both want me (and I'd be happy to help, as I said over there), I fully intend to request statements and evidence from both sides before I make any decisions. Thanks. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:35, 8 June 2006 (BST)

Arbitration reply

Re: User_talk:Brizth#Probation_period
Yep. That is correct. --Brizth ^{mod T W!} 22:04, 25 May 2006 (BST)

Inflammatory language

If Amazing stops using inflammatory language, will you drop the vandalism charge against him? -Wyn ^(talk!) 09:20, 3 May 2006 (BST)

Time wasting

In Amazing v ASS, your entire point is that the case against you has no basis, so I have trouble understanding why you're pointlessly forcing your case onto overworked mods. I posted on Moderation/Arbitration/Amazing_vs_ASS:

"Amazing has a dozen arbitration conflicts pending and has a template on his user page about nuking this entire wiki twice, but he still manages to find at least 14 acceptable arbiters. ASS maintains that there is no case at all. I would humbly suggest that ASS "Stop wasting the arbiters and moderators time" (Tehasskickars). Perhaps BobHammero can explain to us in more detail why their particular case requires a constitutional convention and Kevan in a powdered wig to resolve it. --Tycho44 ^W! 02:32, 1 May 2006 (BST)"

Policy Discussion

For discussion about proposed policy changes

Idea for a new policy

What do you think about a policy against proxy using?--Thari^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 05:36, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I love it. Xoid and I were also talking about just banning all proxies. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:39, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Why is the anti-hate policy page under protection?

Isn't there still time for voting on it? What's really odd is that it doean't have the required 2/3 votes to pass, so I wonder if that means it has officially been rejected. Please respond as quickly as possibly because since the clock is ticking I'd hate to see an error overide the vote and have to go through this all again.Jjames 00:31, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I withdrew the policy, and since voting closed the moment I withdrew it, I also protected the page as per my rights as outlined on M/G. However, I urge you to file a misconduct case against me so that I can be justly banned from editing this wiki. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:18, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Silly, Bob, I meant no such thing. I think you make great contributions to this wiki, I just don't always agree with you. I was just curious what happened. By the by, why did you pull the policy?Jjames 02:04, 30 August 2006 (BST)

It was quite clear that neither of my policies were going to pass. Rather than let them sit and gather more and more Against votes, I thought it would be faster to just kill them myself. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:22, 30 August 2006 (BST)

That seems like a good reason to me. I do offer my condolences to see your policies shot down. I disagreed with them but felt your heart was in the right place. Might I suggest organizing an anti-hate pledge that allows people to organize in speaking out against hate speech without necesarily censoring it? Luigi Galleni already has one up, but he's an anarchist who hates sticks, so maybe you'd be better suited for the job. Oh and thanks for all the hard work in getting Kevan to install the software to check ip adresses.Jjames 03:29, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Retracted vote

A vevote by ERNesbitt was retracted from the group policy under discussion. I put in a colon to bump it from the list but was curios if this kind of thing might need to be moved to the discussion side or if it is even appropriate for me to make that type of edit. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 21:50, 30 July 2006 (BST)

Yeah, it's perfectly fine that you made that edit. It was the right thing to do. Arguably, it could be moved to the suggestions page, but since he was trying to get the attention of the other voters, I'd say leave it. I don't think there are any hard rules regarding this kind of thing, so I just judge it on a case-by-case basis. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:00, 30 July 2006 (BST)

Changes after policy changes

Well, I didn't know where else to ask this, but can you change Amazing's page back to what it was before the policy change? Because I haven't been paying much attention [to the wiki], and you cited his page as what would violate the new policy, but I don't know what the violation was. If that makes sense.Gwendolyr 03:29, 30 July 2006 (BST)

I'm not going to revert to an older version, but if you click the "history" tab, you can navigate to past revisions of his page and see what it looked like. For example, in this revision, you can see the fake "system message." Due to technical reasons, you can't see the "Amazing is watching" message, but it used to be "floating" over the Urban Dead logo. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:33, 30 July 2006 (BST)

The past revision example was good. :) Thanks. Gwendolyr 03:50, 30 July 2006 (BST)

A vote

"Fails to specifically add category to M/SD for defunct pages and vandal banning is too harsh a punishment. --Darth Sensitive talk • W! 20:44, 25 July 2006 (BST)"

What the fuck does thta mean? Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS CoL} 20:52, 25 July 2006 (BST)

I'm not sure. I think he was confused (regarding the banning), and wanted you to add a new M/SD category for old group pages. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:53, 25 July 2006 (BST)

How the hell am I supposed to do that? Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS CoL} 20:55, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Presumably by having made it part of the policy. Just hang in there -- policies and moderator promotions are both pretty stressful. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:57, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Prohibiting Content Outside of the Normal Page Area

I will vote for this policy, but i fear that my own userpage is violating these guidelines when they state: Alterations of a page's displayed title. As i feel my bias could betray me, can you tell me if my userpage is at fault? if it is, i wuold change it at once. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^Talk 08:23, 7 July 2006 (BST)

The only thing I see on your page that wouldn't be allowed is the "This user likes pies. Yeah, pies. A lot.", but that is not currently a violation of wiki policies, so you don't have to change it unless the new policy passes. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:27, 7 July 2006 (BST)

As i said, i wanted to vote For on that policy. How wuold i look if i voted For and were in violation myself? Anyways, i just added that when i was learning about editing: i dont even like pies. At all. =P --Matthew Fahrenheit ^Talk 08:31, 7 July 2006 (BST)

Point taken. :) If you want to put that quote back up anyway, I can probably whip up a bit of wikimarkup for you that would give it a similar look, but in a more traditional place on your page. Just let me know. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:32, 7 July 2006 (BST)

A Request

Please check this out, and give me your impressions. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:46, 27 May 2006 (BST)

I won't pretend that I'm very familiar with the policy discussion side of things yet. However, your proposal looks pretty reasonable. Has there been some controversy? (Aside from the incredibly hard to understand initial attempts at a policy discussion, geez.) --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 08:01, 27 May 2006 (BST)

Controversy? Oh yes. Check out the vandal banning page. Amazing is going positively nuts over Lucero's removing the profile and avatar links — with a good reason. Hagnat said (paraphrasing) "Not enough votes, voting failed.", and Lucero and Amazing have been in an edit war for a little while. Maybe they still are.

Frankly, Lucero should have discussed it with Hagnat, and if he still disagreed with Hagnat's decision, should have brought it to Odd Starter's attention, taken it to misconduct or asked at least two other mods to comment on it.

But that controversy is not the only one. There is the Talk:Suggestions problem, where it failed to even get a "No", because of a lack of voter turnout. There is also the issue here that a policy (or at least the policies that use the currently flawed voting system) can fail, even if there are 19 "Yes" votes, simply because there isn't a 20^th voter. If someone voted "No" then it would get passed.

To top it all off the rules differ from policy vote to policy vote, apparently, depending on whatever rules are set out for it to pass when it is first written up. This needs to be standardised. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:21, 27 May 2006 (BST)

Okay, I understand where this is coming from now. I have a suggestion: what if there were a two-step policy process to ensure that there's enough community interest in having a policy changed? First, a policy change must receive a certain number of Interested versus Uninterested votes (just a raw number, say 20, not a percentage) within, say, two weeks. If the policy gets fewer than the required number of votes, it's dropped. If the policy receives enough votes, it would then go on to a separate voting session, which would involve the rules you laid out earlier. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 08:54, 27 May 2006 (BST)

And if only 19 people decide to vote "Interested" and none vote "Uninterested"? The whole point of my suggestion was to prevent the sort of inaction that low voter turnout causes. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:42, 27 May 2006 (BST)

Good point. Well, I hope other people like your suggestion. It sounds very reasonable. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 10:48, 27 May 2006 (BST)

Other management issues

Any other management issues should go here

Vandal Votes

May I strike out permabanned-vandal votes as I find them in previous days suggestions? --Max Grivas ^{JG,T,P!,Bob06!} 07:45, 30 August 2006 (BST)

I asked this also on Talk M/VB. If you would prefer answer there for the public. --Max Grivas ^{JG,T,P!,Bob06!} 07:58, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Voting law

I saw that a vote was stricken on one of the speedy deletions because the user in question did not have other edits. While I agree with this, I was wondering where reports of sockpuppet voters are made, what criteria votes are stricken and who can strike them. --Kiki Lottaboobs 20:08, 26 August 2006 (BST)

Sockpuppets are generally reported to Vandal Banning. Votes are struck when the user in question has already voted, has voted invalidly (wrong format, no timestamp, no signature, invalid vote, double vote, etc), is a sockpuppet, or is a permabanned vandal. Theoretically anyone can strike the votes, but I'd strongly recommend you leave it up to the mods. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:17, 26 August 2006 (BST)

That's what I wanted to know, thanks. --Kiki Lottaboobs 00:20, 27 August 2006 (BST)

Suggestion Template

This is related to the Suggestion template on the suggestions page, it only has 4 ~ instead of 5 ~, this makes it this, Canuhearmenow 01:15, 9 August 2006 (BST) instead of this 01:15, 9 August 2006 (BST), tried fixing it on my own, but couldn't change it.--Canuhearmenow 01:15, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Fixed now, thanks. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:14, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Misconduct case(s)

Looks like my POV was right. Anyways, now comes the hardest part: rule changes (walks away quietly) --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 08:26, 18 July 2006 (BST)

I think it will be easier than you think. It has been brought to everyone's attention now, so the problem of apathy is gone. And everyone knows the rules are broken. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:28, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Actually, I wuold be one of the few that wants to write their own draft of the rules, but as you know i'm not good at wording. Do they accept rules in spanish? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 08:31, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Sorry, but no. However, I was planning on tackling some more of the rules, so perhaps you'd like to share your ideas with me, and I can mix them in with my own? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:34, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Policy discussion is something I like to be involved in. Reform and all that jazz brightens my day, so just tell me what page you'll be working on, and I'll add it to my watchlist. :-) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:11, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Everything and the kitchen sink. When I'm done, moderators won't be afraid to moderate anymore. What ideas have you got? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:14, 18 July 2006 (BST)

What page, not what topic. Sorry, CNR. M/G, mainly, I think. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:14, 18 July 2006 (BST)

I could also chip in a bit - not so much with wording (I'm horrible at writing things like policy changes), but I can suggest improvements and things like that. (Besides, I'm bored.) Cyberbob Talk 09:19, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Alright, that settles it. To the sandbox! All of you, put your ideas there. Let's brainstorm. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:23, 18 July 2006 (BST)

I made some butchering, maybe you want to see it? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:32, 21 July 2006 (BST)

Locations Pages Project

For stuff directly related to the Locations Pages Project

Suburb work

I've been enjoying your {{Suburbblock}} and started pasting in about 2/3's of them so far and wanted to get some feedback. Inside a few you had already completed I replaced some of the link names for blocks with the form presented in the style guide. Warehouse/Junkyard/... have coords and the/The St/St. See Barrville#Suburb Map. I left the display name exactly as it appears in game and only altered the link names. Also in as many cases as possible I included (suburb) to skip past disambiguation pages when appropriate. If there is anything I could change in the presentation let me know and I can flip back through them pretty quickly. Otherwise I plan to paste in the last third tomorrow. Thanks. --Max Grivas ^JG|T 01:44, 27 June 2006 (BST)

That's great! Thank you for your help. I was afraid that I was going to have to do all of the work myself, but if you're willing to help (and it looks like you are), that's a great relief to me. As long as the pages comply with the Location Style Guide, it's fine. In fact, linking past disambiguation pages, and to the proper warehouse/etc. pages, was going to be the next part of the work after I had created all of the suburb maps. How far have you gotten in adding the suburb maps? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 04:45, 27 June 2006 (BST)

Actually I created an application that spits out the Suburbblock for any given suburb from my own data set. It seems to work well. I have placed 2/3 of the suburbs (alphabetically) I believe the last entry I made so far was Rhodenbank. If they look good to you I can past in the next 30 in a couple of hours. Take time to examine any one of those and let me know if you would prefer anything to be changed. Example: see how St Whatever appears on the map and in the link... I think it will be easier to fiddle with the script than edit each burb if you have any corrections to recommend. --Max Grivas ^JG|T 06:45, 27 June 2006 (BST)

Judging from the map you linked to, it looks fine to me, assuming that it's accurate (I didn't check location names or anything like that). I wonder if the "St" links should be written as "St." though. I'm not sure; on some pages (e.g., St. Pius's Hospital), I can see that nearby hospitals have been linked with the "." displayed, so we might want to follow that lead, but I don't think there are any concrete rules for this specific case. You might want to ask Xoid or Novelty for their opinions. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:03, 27 June 2006 (BST)

Good Idea! I'll do just that. (solicit further opinions) Thanks. --Max Grivas ^JG|T 07:13, 27 June 2006 (BST)

After getting some great feedback from Xoid who made an example of Barrville, I altered the rules for my script and reposted the next 36 suburbs, Brooke Hills through Judgewood. I'll keep working my way down the list from there. Thanks again for the beautiful template. It is really a great addition to the wiki. I've felt the map info needed a place here for a long time. --Max Grivas ^JG|T 11:19, 27 June 2006 (BST)

My pleasure. Thank you for helping out! Now I don't have to worry about posting the rest of the suburbs. Do the suburbs up to Brooke Hills need to be redone? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:08, 27 June 2006 (BST)

I have been approaching them alphabetically. Which placed Xoids redo of Barrville as the only burb before Brooke Hills in my list. After getting the feedback I basicly started over from the beginning. Which was a good thing since I also found anumber of locations which I display as review points on my map were being created as having a location_color of 'Fix IT'. Now that I have the thing working much better I have started a script that produces a {{Locationblockmerge}} outline. Pick a suburb and a block and it spills the beans for all blocks of the same type. If I can host it up somewhere available to the public it might be handy for filling in the blanks down the road. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 21:30, 27 June 2006 (BST)

OK, I think thats all of them! Let me know if you encounter any errors or corrections you see in the future. Enjoy! --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 06:03, 28 June 2006 (BST)

Thanks again for your help. I appreciate it. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:04, 28 June 2006 (BST)

Suburb block

I like what you've done. I was going to do something similar, but I see I don't have to now, which is good. I can concentrate on getting the pages up to scratch. That block would also be good on the category:suburb page as well and perhaps any grouped locations to begin with. --Nov ^{W!, M, T} 02:01, 22 June 2006 (BST)

Thanks, I'm glad you like it. Do you mean that it should be part of the Suburb category, or what? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:44, 22 June 2006 (BST)

I think Novelty is referring to simply placing it on Category:Suburb, for which I wonder "Why?", if we are following Wikipedia's example in reforming the location pages, their categories and such, shouldn't we simply add the notice that the "Article on Suburbs is Suburbs. Blah Blah Blah", like categories with the same name as articles do in Wikipedia? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 00:53, 24 June 2006 (BST) bluh… just figured it out. Disregard that. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 01:32, 24 June 2006 (BST)

I was thinking that the map would be present on the Category:Suburb, e.g. the East Boundwood map on the Category:East Boundwood page to act as a master list for all the locations in that suburb. Oh and I will tweak if and when I find the time, which is not going to be soon. I'm starting up a largish project next month so that will probably take time away from this wiki. --Nov ^{W!, M, T} 15:58, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Re: Darvall Heights

Concerning this. I don't see any problem, not with the general idea nor details. The Darvall Heights page could do with an overhaul. Though placing a notice at the top could be good idea, with instructions to go to talk page if there are problem. If there are some larger edit wars, we always have the Arbitration (the real reason why it exists). --Brizth ^{mod T W!} 06:59, 27 May 2006 (BST)

Okay. Thank you. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 07:02, 27 May 2006 (BST)

Question

Are you working on the Locations Pages Project or the Master Locations List Project? The Master Locations List is just about getting the list prepared, and creating disambiguation pages. The Locations Pages Project is aimed at creating (or fixing) the locations' pages themselves.

PS: Good to see that others are using the Current Projects page now, I thought it was dead in the water. Hopefully seeing it in the recent changes section might give people the hint that collaboration on the big things would help. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:22, 23 May 2006 (BST)

Oy, good catch. I guess I'm really more interested in the other project, but I didn't see a page or a talk page for it, so I sort of assumed that the Master List project was the "good" one. My bad. Thanks. --Bob Hammero ^ASS•U! 10:43, 23 May 2006 (BST)

With only one person on the Locations Pages Project (Novelty is… ? Keelhauled In Antartica? Married In Alabama? Who knows.), there didn't seem to be a need for a proper talk page. Issues of style and that go with the talk pages for the guide, but as to the project proper? I don't think there ever has been a talk page for it.

Since you said you were taking Caiger Mall and it's surrounding 'burbs and I'm still fixing pages that have been broken for months, I don't see us potentially getting in each other's way for some time. Sonny Corleone's been fixing pages too, and some members of FOXHOUND have been creating location pages for their stomping grounds. Misza's been doing miscellaneous stuff left right and centre, to a lesser extent Niiloman has been too.

Come to think of it, that is a lot more than "only one person", but I haven't had any problems with any of them yet, and I've barely spoken to most of them. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 11:15, 23 May 2006 (BST)

Okay. Makes sense, thank you (it seems as though there are so few location pages that have been created, I doubt we'll run into problems for a while). --Bob Hammero ^{ASS•W!•U!} 19:59, 23 May 2006 (BST)

Project Welcome

For questions from people needing help, or discussion about Project Welcome

Edit on Welcomenewbie

I think that {{Welcomenewbie}} is better now than before, but maybe if you made it a bit more... gray? That dark blue doesn't show very well inside black. Good job anyway.. (Also I'm not sure in what section should this go so this was as good as any.) --Niilomaan 01:39, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Perfect choice of sections. :) Good point about it looking a little stark; I'll fix that. And thanks, I'm glad you like the change. I thought it was looking a bit hard to read before. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:40, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Perfect. (Well least before next edit on it.) I'm off to bed. So tired that I mess stuff up more than fix it. --Niilomaan 01:47, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Well, looks like the boxes had to come no matter what I tought about them =P. Looks good anyways. Maybe we could move "The Suggestions page" header to the bottom, to tip off new users to practice on their own user pages and talk pages before actually messing up with community pages. And add a tip that the standard on user's talk pages when there are no written rules is to add the messages at the bottom of the page with a level 2 header. I'm sorry for my recent inactivity: sometimes life hits hard =S. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 02:02, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Heh, sorry man. I just thought it was looking really hard to read, and that's the best way I could think of to clean it up. I'll make the changes you suggested now. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:25, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Our nice template has a problem

Hey again Bob! Sorry to bother you, but the Welcomenewbie template has a problem: In order to prevent newbies to edit the different sections of the template by mistake, I added a __NOEDITSECTION__ tag on it. The problem is that the tag doesn't limit itself to affect the template alone, but involves the whole page it's placed(in this case, newbies talk pages) as well. I suppose we can edit the sections ourselves so they only "look" like wiki sections in formatting tough they are functionally just pieces of text, but if there's a choice please enlighten me. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 05:28, 14 July 2006 (BST)

Try putting a <noinclude> and </noinclude> around the "magic words." –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:33, 14 July 2006 (BST)

As I tought: that nullyfies (it's the word OK?) the effect of the tag whenever you post it on some page, so newbies can (mistakingly or not) edit it again... --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 05:38, 14 July 2006 (BST) Any more ideas? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 05:45, 14 July 2006 (BST)

Nullifies is what you're looking for. Well, I'd just take the tags out then. Probably best to just let them make the mistake of editing the sections if they're that dim. Actually, you could request that the page be protected, too. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:54, 14 July 2006 (BST)

Oh... if the page gets protected, it will be a lot harder for me or anyone else to edit it again, as most Project Welcome members aren't moderators if I remember it right. I'll rather try to emule the format of section's titles instead of adding actual ===sections=== to it. But I'll do it tomorrow, it's pretty late where I live ^ZZzz-_- --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:04, 14 July 2006 (BST)

Well Bob, you make me feel like a dinosaur. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 20:46, 17 July 2006 (BST) Also, what's the difference between <span> and <font> tags? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 20:51, 17 July 2006 (BST)

In a nutshell, <font> and the like are from the old days of HTML, where it was customary to represent the appearance of something along with the content. These days, with XHTML and CSS taking the place of plain HTML, it's preferred to use the style attribute to specify styling, because it keeps the "visual" components separate from the "structural" components. <span> is simply an inline structural component; it's invisible all on its own (a block-level parallel is the <div> element). More than you wanted to know? :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:32, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Actually yes O_O. Coming back to the template, there are some practical issues that trouble me: Up to this moment, i'm the only one that used the template, and based on my experience I have been modifying it (with your help, obviously). Now, after the __NOEDITSECTION__ magic word problem has been solved, I can concentrate in minor problems, such as aesthetic ones. It has come to my mind that when I place it on any page, I do it like this:

{{Welcomenewbie}}
--~~~~

This works just OK, but the result is the template itself with my sig at the end and there's no heading where the newbies can press the "edit" button and delete the template tag if they want to. Most of them end up with my template as their first edit on their Talk page, and the lack of other headings forces them to edit the page as a whole. It's too complicated if I strip off the whole title and everytime we want to use it we type a new heading? the usage wuold be like this:

== Welcome to our Wiki ==
{{Welcomenewbie}}
--~~~~

Tell me what you think. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 08:50, 18 July 2006 (BST) EDIT: I must be one anoyying son of a... Almost all the edits on your talk page are either you or me --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 08:52, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Nah, I don't mind. The title of "most active poster on Bob's talk page" varies with time. Check my talk archive for some past champions of that medal. :)

Now, to answer your question: this is a tricky one. Let me think about it, but in the meantime, I'd get Xoid's input on this one too. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:16, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Yeah, Xoid. The only reason that I didn't tell him about the template is that (oddly enough) he isn't a member of Project Welcome. However, he "wastes" plenty of time giving different tips to newbies. Maybe you can invite him to the group, or at least introduce him to the template? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 09:20, 18 July 2006 (BST)

He knows about it; he hasn't joined it out of choice. If I were you, I'd just put a note on his talk page yourself. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:59, 18 July 2006 (BST)

Definitely out of choice. Sure, I help people out, but that's not to help them out, it's to stop them from annoying me with their inept usage of the wiki, an unsubtle and very important difference. Regardless, I say usage should be in the form of:

== Welcome to our Wiki ==
{{Welcomenewbie}}
--~~~~

Moderators have to give a heading for vandal warnings. (Or they bloody well should), and this isn't much of an inconvenience. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 00:06, 19 July 2006 (BST)

Agreed. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 00:14, 19 July 2006 (BST)

Template Project

Hey Bob. When I found newbies on the Suggestion's page (i never found them elsewhere, looks like they like to screw up that page in particular) I mostly try to symphatize and give them some guidelines to start. These basic guidelines are always the same, so I made up this, so i don't have to write different (and maybe not so well writed) versions of the same everytime. I'm planning on making a template of that, and adding the link to the Project Welcome mainpage so everyone can save themselves the boring repetition of the same old speech. As my grasp on the english language isn't perfect, could you take a look at it? If you want to add (or delete) some lines, please let me know. Anything that helps is welcome. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 08:37, 12 July 2006 (BST)

Good idea! Why do it as a template though? Seems like you could make a subpage of the Project Welcome page, or, better yet, make it a page in the Help namespace, and just link people to it. Or do I not understand the idea?

OK, as far as editing goes, changes in bold, things removed with strikeout:

"As I can see" ... "It's OK to be new" ... "At the same time, we understand"

"To do so is considered as vandalism."

"with a timestamp is "~~~~". Just add ~~~~ to the end" (see the source for the change here)

"make sure that nothing is wrong. Use the "Preview" button before the "Save" button; it's your"

(Rewritten): "If you're slow in your editing and there's an editing conflict, you might not understand the error that you get. The easiest way to overcome the edit conflict is to copy whatever you have been writing, go back with your browser, and then reenter the edit page so that you can add your comments without deleting the comments made before yours."

"On the Suggestion's page"

"and it's possible that we've already seen something very similar to"

"read the Suggestion's Page rules."

"We highly recommended that you read" ... "accepted and which others are ridiculous in the eyes"

"following the Suggestion's template."

"posted on the Suggestion's page" ... "You can withdraw and resubmit it with changes later" ... "while requesting ~~for~~ changes"

"don't make an effort to do so, then why would we have the obligation to be nice to you?"

Anyway, I hope that's clear. Nice work! Thanks for taking over the suggestions page, by the way. I needed a break from it. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:01, 12 July 2006 (BST)

I'm changing the text, thanks for checking it! My idea was to just use the template in the Talk Page of every newbie we come across. Of course, we can just copy it, or make both the template and the new page. I don't know what wuold be the most useful of those choices, what do you think? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 09:07, 12 July 2006 (BST)

There's a change you want to make that says "We highly recommended". That sounds like we did in the past... you're sure? --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 09:16, 12 July 2006 (BST)

Oops! Good catch. That should be "We highly recommend." I see what you're talking about now with the template. Good idea. You might also want to mention, then, that they can delete it from their talk page if they want to, just to avoid confusion. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:19, 12 July 2006 (BST)

Last thing before I go to sleep: There's a part in the end where it says: You can withdraw and resubmit it with changes later. While this is valid, I didn't want to include the word "withdraw" because most newbies mistakingly delete the whole suggestion (vandalism) instead of replacing it with "Suggestion withdrawn by the author" or something along these lines. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 09:31, 12 July 2006 (BST)

Where...?

Can I find information on what pages to edit and help out on? UDWiki doesn't have a "This is a Stub, you can help..." format like wikipedia, so I was wondering if I just wandered around looking for things to fix, or if there was a consolidated page of things that need more information etc..

And by the way, thanks for being a nice "older" user who welcomes people here. It's hard to get your feet wet, and you seem to have the kind of personality that makes the introduction to UD, and the wiki in general, a good place to share ideas and thoughts. - Bango Skank 04:37, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Good question. There are a few large projects underway, and you can read about these on the Current Projects page. You might also look at UDWiki:Maintenance for ideas about what to work on. For a third place, you might check the Project Wiki Patrol page -- that's a project that I founded, and those of us who are a part of it go around fixing things on the wiki, so there's a large list of places to find things to do on that page. Other than that, there aren't really any central directories of pages needing work that I know of. Pretty much every page on the wiki could use a little tweaking one way or another, so just look around. I would advise you, however, to get your feet wet with editing in the sandbox first, if you aren't already experienced with wikimarkup and the like.

Thanks for the compliments, as well. :) I remember when I was new to the game and the wiki, and I try to be helpful to people when I can. If you have any other questions, don't hesitate to ask. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 04:51, 11 July 2006 (BST)

One quick addendum: I would stay away from the Help namespace, the Moderation pages, and things like that, until you're more familiar with the wiki and better known by some of the more active users here, just to be safe. And under no circumstances should you edit pages in the User namespace (talk pages are usually fine though). That might be considered vandalism. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 04:53, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Wiki problems

Your guess was well placed, because frankly, I have a weak grasp on how to do anything here. Ugh, so confusing. Why couldn't this just be a normal forum? --Veragoot 22:23, 24 May 2006 (BST)

The wiki editing commands are a little strange at first, but you'll get used to them. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me for help. You might also want to check out the Sandbox, which is a good place to experiment without worrying about messing up any important pages. --Bob Hammero ^W!•U! 22:26, 24 May 2006 (BST)

well thanks for all the positive reinforcement bob, but I think I'm going to stick to forums for now. Maybe one day I'll acquire a working brain and will actually understand how this site's "forums" work. Because frankly, all I've done is mess up and baffle myself to the point where I can't think straight. And that's no good for me because I've got MCAS tomorrow and I'll need my brain ship-shape.--Veragoot 22:30, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Good luck! Hopefully we'll see you around here in the future sometime. --Bob Hammero ^W!•U! 22:33, 24 May 2006 (BST)

Suggestions

For discussion about the suggestions page

Wunderpost

I haven't attacked you, I pointed out (maybe with unnecessary sarcasm) that you always trashtalk whatever you dislike instead of explaining yourself, using rude language / excessive profanity as well. Attacking you would be doing what you're doing to me - calling me a dickhead, accusing me of being mentally retarded, and saying things like "What the fuck do you think you're on about?" You know what's retarded? Getting mad during internet debates. I am posting this calmly and I hope if you aren't calm now then you calm down before replying to me. Also rather than replying at all it would be more constructive to help me work through your problems with the suggestion - see my new post on that page. Rheingold 09:16, 29 July 2006 (BST)

I always trashtalk whatever I dislike, never explaining myself, and always using rude language and profanity? Really? Huh. To answer the rest of your comment: I am quite calm. I'm just sick of seeing people who don't know what they're doing try to mess around with technical suggestions. Let me be blunt: do you have any programming experience? I'm working on my own version of the "bots are bad" idea, so just wait. I actually do know what I'm talking about. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:27, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Thanks for the apology, but sincerely, I didn't take offense. ;) I like your suggestion btw. Rheingold 12:01, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Kevan 1, Suggestion 0. Sorry bud. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 12:18, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Yeah, I saw. Ouch. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:31, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Yes, Please

I want a stop to the drama... It was bad form for the propaganda thing on my part, but I was talking cheeky... I dunno, it Cyberbob calling me a dickhead that was bad. I dunno. How can I fix it? -- 343 ^U! 03:17, 29 July 2006 (BST)

One minute please. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:20, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Okay. Gage suggested a similar idea to yours, so first go look at my response to him. Now the thing you have to think about is, what is something that a bot would do that a real player wouldn't ever do? Even something as innocuous as logging in, spending all of your AP barricading, and then logging out is something a real player might do — even if the barricades are already at EH. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:24, 29 July 2006 (BST)

So what would we be looking for? Constant checks or what? -- 343 ^U! 03:31, 29 July 2006 (BST)

No... many players who have donated constantly check barricade levels. Cyberbob Talk 03:33, 29 July 2006 (BST)

So checks at timed intervals? But be secret about it. Don't tell anyone your doing it, and have fail rates go up for those? -- 343 ^U! 03:35, 29 July 2006 (BST)

At timed intervals? WTF? Cyberbob Talk 03:37, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Well, the real problem with this is just what I outlined on Gage's suggestion. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:39, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Why not just have the buttons be removed from script and change key scripts? -- 343 ^U! 03:48, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Why not just know what you're talking about? Cyberbob Talk 03:50, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Not sure what you mean. Can you elaborate a bit please? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:52, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Invalid vote?!

And I tought my actions were a bit extreme. Look. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 23:25, 17 July 2006 (BST)

Recent Suggestion

I am new to these forums, and I recently posted a suggestion about DNA insertion. I am sure you will remember it, due to the entirely unecessary flaming you did in response to it. Firstly, my suggestion was incomplete, and I realize that now. It was my first suggestion, so I apologize for that. Yes, you're right, I have never tried playing as a zombie, so maybe it was a bad idea. But what I absolutely can't believe is that you responded so violently to my suggestion. Im a noob at the game and in these forums, I will openly admit that! So I made some mistakes, and you, a user who puts the Project Welcome link on every single one of your signatures, completely flamed me for it. I cannot believe you dared to call yourself a member of a group that makes new players feel welcome, because I can tell you this for sure--I am NOT feeling welcome here at all. In case it makes you feel better, I have completely deleted my suggestion, I am not moving it to the talk page because I feel that it would only be flamed there too. This wiki is not a welcoming place, as I have now learned. I know this message seems really stupid, so go ahead and delete it if you like. I just wanted to let you hear what I think first. I'll end by saying I've read some of your posts in the past, and I admired your intuitive ideas and helpful thinking, but my very first interaction with you really disappointed me. --Abslch 20:30, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Actually, I will take the time to respond to this. First off, I'm sorry for snapping. I've been a bit on edge lately, and I shouldn't have bitten your head off like that. I've had suggestions killed and spaminated myself, so I know it isn't fun -- and people (including me, unfortunately) can be extremely hostile on that page, due, I think, to the large number of poorly thought-out suggestions that appear there. I moved the suggestion to the talk page, because it is vandalism to remove it completely (I had reported you to Vandal Banning, but I retracted it after reading this comment). I'm sorry that I've disappointed you; thanks for saying you admired my ideas (in the past), and I hope you'll forgive me. I was a newbie here and in the game at one point as well, and I remember what it was like. I think you will find that the rest of the wiki, by and large, is welcoming. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:39, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Thanks very much. You know, I flamed back at you too, and I'm sorry about that. I really didn't mean to make a commotion, or make anyone else feel bad, I see you really mean well now. I assure you I won't hold a grudge, I hope you won't either, hopefully my next suggestion will be better ;-) Thanks again! --Abslch 21:21, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Aww! Group hug! --Paradox244 21:48, 10 July 2006 (BST)

No grudges. I think I need to take a break from the suggestions page (and the Vandal Banning page) for a while... it just gets to be stressful. Anyway, if you have any wiki questions, I'm happy to help.

However, based on my experience on the suggestions page, I'd like to make a suggestion for your future suggestions: first read Suggestions Dos and Do Nots, then read Frequently Suggested, then propose your idea on Talk:Suggestions and let it sit there for at least a few days. If you appear to have support for it there, then put it on the main Suggestions page. This will probably let your suggestion live well enough so that you only have to revise it once or twice more before it's approved. It sucks, but that really is the best way to give your idea a fair shot. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:47, 11 July 2006 (BST)

I think that that is good advice for me two. You rule Bob, can I call you Bob, and thanks a million! --Paradox244 19:49, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Suggestion tweak

When you said to tweak the numbers in my suggestion, what did you have in mind? --Paradox244 19:05, 9 July 2006 (BST)

Well, probably lower percentages, for one thing. But I also think that the boost to the percentages should differ for each weapon. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:08, 9 July 2006 (BST)

Could you give some more details? I withdrew it and moved to discussion BTW. But do you think the concept is sound? --Paradox244 03:25, 10 July 2006 (BST)

I'll get back to you soon about this, a little busy right now. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:40, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Okay. --Paradox244 21:49, 10 July 2006 (BST)

OK. I think the idea is possibly viable, but you need to take this into account: nobody will accept a suggestion that would boost any of the lesser-used weapons to the fire axe's usefulness, or above. It's generally accepted that the fire axe should be the best melee weapon. That said, I would go to Ember's MBR information, which is pretty much the best way to rate weapons in UD. Right now, the Fire Axe has an MBR of 1.2. I think you could safely get away with boosting knife to 1.0, pipe/bat to 0.75, and crowbar to 0.5, so figure out whatever percentages you want that would do that. I would also ask Ember for his advice and assistance. In my experience, he's more than happy to help advise for weapon-tweaking suggestions (one of my peer approved suggestions, "Axe Sharpening," passed in part because of his assistance). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:54, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Would it be better if I split it up into multiple suggestions? That seems to be best if I will address multiple ones, doing it induvidually would allow for better control. Should I? --Paradox244 03:29, 11 July 2006 (BST)

If you want to. You need to remember, however, that you are allowed a maximum of three suggestions per day, and that if people don't like your first few suggestions, they might start to snap at you if you continue making ones along the same lines. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:57, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Suggestions Pages

Hey, I've noticed that you've recently been putting shortcut thingys onto the suggestions pages. Could I suggest a small change (so I don't have to do it)? Just so the layout is nicer looking could you add the code in like this instead just after the TOC decleration?

{| align="left" cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style="margin-bottom: .5em; float: right; padding: .5em 0 .8em 1.4em;" |{{shortcut|Shortcut Code}} |}

It just makes things nicer looking by removing the white space that can be seen when it's added without this. Have a look at peer reviewed and rejected to see what I did. I'm just letting you know just incase you plan on adding it to any of the other suggestions pages. Well thats what I think would be good anyway. - Jedaz 10:51, 7 July 2006 (BST)

No problem. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 10:55, 7 July 2006 (BST)

Centaurs... thing

Well, i know pretty much about the WTFCENTAURS vote, since Undeadinator first used it, going trough Mr Aushvitz suggestion's and finally when only Mattiator was willing to use it. It's just NOT FUN anymore, but i do understand that what you're trying to tell me is that it has become part of the culture of this Wiki as a way of saying "this suggestion/comment/thing is one of the most ridicuolus i have seen". Taking that on account, i will cease to strike out these kind of votes, as long as the "WTFCENTAURS" word doesn't form part of the vote, but of the reasoning. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^Talk 18:47, 3 July 2006 (BST)

Stiking out

Just letting you know when you stike peoples votes out because they don't sign properly it would be a good idea to tell them how to otherwise they probably won't ever know. It just makes things more friendly like and what not. - Jedaz 08:35, 2 July 2006 (BST)

Good point, thanks. I'll do that. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:38, 2 July 2006 (BST)

I just made a minor alteration to the Suggestion voting template, just use this [[#How to sign|How to sign properly]] link on any page with the template, and it will take them to the instructions. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:48, 2 July 2006 (BST)

Tips

On some vote like this:

Keep - Same reason as why I voted keep last time. It's good. "We gonna buy a small little house with a nice fat stove. And we gonna live off the fat of the land. And we'll get cages for the rabbits. And have some alfalfa to feed to them rabbits." Sonny Corleone

Should i strike out the invalid part of the vote (all between the "") or ask the user on his user page to do so? Sonny modified it already, but just as an example.

By the way, votes like Mookiemookie one here are the "Trolling based votes" im supposed to evade, right? Answer in my talk page please. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^Talk 07:37, 2 July 2006 (BST)

Vote arguments

Just as a question: Aren't you being too harsh with the "invalid reason" strike out? Evading the countless ocassions were votes were filled with crap and strikes didn't happen, Keep votes implicitly state that the user likes the suggestion (unless some strange cases were users actually say the contrary) and even i don't want to think a reason for every keep vote i make. I agree that Kill, Spam and Dupe votes demand proper reasons, but you could strike out all the nonsense and leave the "Keep" alone when striking out Keep votes like Sonny's, so they can learn they're not that funny. --Matthew Fahrenheit 06:12, 1 July 2006 (BST)

First, let me say that I think the rules on the Suggestions page are almost fatally flawed. I disagree with many of them, and I think they need to be rewritten. I'm not even the only one who thinks this, but it's very difficult to make any sort of change to the policies on that page, just because so many people visit it.

That said, I generally try to be lenient when it comes to striking out a vote on the grounds of "no reason given," but in the two cases to which you're referring, I could see literally no possible justification anywhere in the votes as to why they were voting the way they were voting. Unfortunately, one of the broken rules for that page states that "Votes that do not have reasoning behind them are invalid. You MUST justify your vote." In other words, it's not enough to say that you want it kept or killed, but you have to explain why.

In any event, if you strike a vote, you have to strike the entire vote, not just part of it. I would be glad if the rules were different, but unfortunately, they aren't. Those votes provided no justification of any sort, and I'm tired of seeing crap like that. Usually there is at least a few words that are related enough to the game that I can overlook it, but in those cases, nothing. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:30, 1 July 2006 (BST)

The same rules state that Only moderators may remove troll-based votes and they do so with a strikeout <s></s> in order to preserve the trolling removal for posterity, and so i understand that moderators have given you the confidence to strike out votes (i think i readed that discussion somewhere). If a vote shows obvious "lack of content" (crap) as previous stated, can any user strike it out in good faith? I say so because obviously i wuold be glad to help. --Matthew Fahrenheit 06:47, 1 July 2006 (BST)

You're correct. I spoke to several different mods, and they told me that I was allowed to continue maintaining the suggestions page as I have been doing, provided that I followed the letter of the rule: i.e., votes that are purely trolling (insulting, flaming, etc.) I am to leave alone.

I don't know of any reason why I would be special in being allowed to "police" the page, except perhaps that I've shown a strong interest in keeping it running smoothly, and that I've been careful not to overstep my bounds. I would be happy to have another user help me watch over the votes. Just make sure that you leave trolling votes alone, don't overstep your bounds either, and be sure to note under the vote what you did and why (but don't use the term Note, because that is reserved exclusively for moderators). If you want to be extra careful, you might consult with some mods so that you have their explicit approval to cite if someone asks you why you're striking out votes. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:55, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Ok, thanks! I'll start next week when i get word of some moderator. Mostly i'll try to emulate your style, so don't worry too much about that. And for the suggestion rule's change, i can think of a patch or two, but they're just patchs, the main concerns are not adressed. I'll try to familiarize myself more on the suggestion's page and then maybe we can work some changes. --Matthew Fahrenheit 07:17, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Your Warning against my conduct at the Suggestions Page being close to Vandalism

Thankyou. I will keep that in mind.. --W3c 19:09, 23 June 2006 (BST)

Misc.

Hey, thanks for the tip, it's appreciated! ;) I'm rather new to wikis. --Rheingold 00:02, 20 June 2006 (BST).

My pleasure. Feel free to ask me for help if you have any wiki questions in the future. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:18, 20 June 2006 (BST)

User:Contaminated

NEW COMMENT: Hope you like my vote, I merely wanted to make the core idea actually work, and I am sorry if you are too caught up in ego to let it soar. The mechanics you came up with reallyare that bad, but format and general idea were quite good, so I took what you did right and added to what I do well. I am sorry you felt slighted, and I admit I was a bit condescending but the two things together really are something to be proud of. The mechanic I came up with were original and nothing like yours and much better, it is like comparing a mud pie and cherry pie the same because they use the same recipe format. (a crust with filling)--Contaminated 23:55, 19 June 2006 (BST)

Thanks for your apology. However, since this is my talk page, I'm going to be absolutely blunt with you.

Don't accuse me of being "caught up in ego." It isn't about ego, it's about being tactful and following the rules of the wiki.
However bad my mechanics might have been, it's extremely rude to go about advertising it as you have. Telling someone "OMFG U HAEV BAED MEKANICS ADN YUO SUCK!!11" is a great way to have someone flame you back.
Yes, my formatting and general idea were quite good. Thanks. Apparently, you thought they were so good that you just copied and pasted, and changed a couple of things here or there. Guess what kids, that's called plagiarism! In higher education, that would earn you an F and an expulsion. Here on the wiki, you're lucky it just gets you flamed.
Your analogy is broken. You want to use my core idea in your own suggestion? Great. I have no problem with that. I have a problem with you calling mine shit, but then feeling free to just use my text with a few slight changes put into place. See, it's not so much mud pie versus cherry pie, it's more like cherry pie versus cherry pie with little turds sprinkled on top. Not much difference there.

–Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:04, 20 June 2006 (BST)

	Oh Snap!
	Someone just got served!

--Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 00:09, 20 June 2006 (BST)

Fair enough that it is you talk page, however it couldn't be plagerism because you are obvious credited in the text itself, when I was stating I was just reworking the unworkable parts which was every single mechanic you used. You should read your own links.

	Oh Snap!
	Someone just got served!

--Contaminated 00:09, 20 June 2006 (BST)

Oh yes, now you aren't rude. n00b. You're a plagiarizing ass, and that's it. Oh yeah:

	SPELING LOL
	Yuo fayl Englesh? That's unpossablle!

–Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:14, 20 June 2006 (BST)

As a side note, on my workshop I reworded my vote because, in retrospect it could have seemed unkind. --Contaminated 00:15, 20 June 2006 (BST)

Fuckin' n00b. At the risk of "seeming unkind": your ideas aren't worth shit, and neither are you. Get the fuck out. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 00:17, 20 June 2006 (BST)

WTFMOD

Bob, I've noticed a lot of your edits on the suggestion page are illegal in themselves (striking votes out, etc). Please leave the moderating to the moderators.. Tokakeke 04:30, 5 June 2006 (BST)

You're wrong. Responded on your page. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 04:35, 5 June 2006 (BST)

Point taken, though maybe you should be a little easier on the Abstainers :) Tokakeke 04:36, 5 June 2006 (BST)

I don't really agree with the way the rules are set out myself — valid input is often left out because no one wants to message absolutely every voter who used logical fallacy to support their vote. (Which is what you have to do, because illegal REs are not allowed.) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:42, 5 June 2006 (BST)

What do you mean? If they're really abstaining, why are they voting at all? They can just leave a comment on the author's talk page about their ideas. The problem is that it breaks the vote numbering. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:10, 5 June 2006 (BST)

It wouldn't break the number if the idiots knew how to use proper wiki formatting. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:19, 5 June 2006 (BST)

No kidding. By the way, H/GEP is a shortcut I added to the editing page I wrote (that shortcut idea is great). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:22, 5 June 2006 (BST)

OMG, I got CNRed.

Sorry, I should've read it properly. Will think over that. --Changchad ^{WTF•W!•SGP} 19:04, 3 June 2006 (BST)

I did not do anything, I saw that suggestion being put on the top with no template, so I told him to use one and move it to below. Then everything got screwed over. And the suggestion just went, and the Radio transmitter suggestion's title were changed, so i changed it back. Honest.--Changchad ^{WTF•W!•SGP} 19:19, 3 June 2006 (BST)

I was talking to him, not you. But I'm trying to fix his suggestion right now. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:20, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Sorry...talking to him through my talk page? It's not a chatroom over there you know :P. (it's a joke. please don't talk it serious.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Changchad (talk • contribs) .

Striking out votes

When you strike out unsigned votes could you strike it all out instead of the first word? It's much more obvious when a vote has been struck out if you do it like that. - Jedaz 03:24, 8 June 2006 (BST)

No problem; will do. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:27, 8 June 2006 (BST)

Groups

If it's about ASS, it goes here

Your Signature

"Bob Hammero Mod•T•AOG•C 19:13, 5 August 2006 (BST)"

AOG? WTF? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! at some time

ASS Old Guard. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:06, 18 August 2006 (BST)

The most frequent meaning of "AOG" is Alliance of Giddings. You are certainly gonna cause some confusion there. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:24, 18 August 2006 (BST)

That Thing

Hey Bob, definately yes to that thing you sent me. How offensive do you think creating a white pride rally at Crossman would be? Scinfaxi 18:56, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Hmm. It depends. Would there be floats and scantily-clad people dancing in the streets? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:59, 5 August 2006 (BST)

As long as they are gloriously celebrating white history and our proud white heritage of inventing things like the snow mobile or the chariot. So long as I keep the rhetoric clean it's ok to advertise on the wiki right? Scinfaxi 19:02, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Careful how you advertise. If you bring it up on too many group pages, you'll get banned (see M/VB, there's plenty precedent for that now). But I'm in favor of lots of guns over the parade, myself, since that will be more effective in taking out the zombies near Caiger. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:05, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Oh, we'd actually like to combine the two Bob. We're only advertising on groups with roots in Crossman, or those with glorious members of the white brotherhood. Send us a date with the necessary time frame if you can Bob so we can plan our events accordingly. Scinfaxi 19:10, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Will do. Darvall Heights will be the most zombie-free suburb after we're done! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:13, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Hoorah! Scinfaxi 19:16, 5 August 2006 (BST)

That thing

Do it. :-p –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:08, 23 July 2006 (BST)

Woof. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 18:32, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Man, you guys are getting kinky. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 06:30, 30 July 2006 (BST)

Join in, I'll make it worth your while. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 19:43, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Meow. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:14, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Grrr. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:03, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Communication

Bob, me, rueful, and jjames are ready to go all out on Bale Mall. Is ASS operating a forum or any other means of communication? Scinfaxi 00:39, 21 July 2006 (BST)

I'm talking to you Bob. Scinfaxi 01:17, 22 July 2006 (BST)

Whoops, sorry. Yes, we've got a forum. I'll get you guys hooked up soon. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:39, 22 July 2006 (BST)

When you get around to it, try to get rueful up to speed too. He wants to join in our public service efforts. I'm shocked to see the blatent disregard for safety show by the Bale Mall Elite. Scinfaxi 01:51, 22 July 2006 (BST)

Former members of GANKBUS are of course welcome! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:53, 22 July 2006 (BST)

I was g0ing 2

But then I put that charrie in2 RedRum, and another ones really dedicated to shouting things in Bale Mall about elitism and Batman, and the last won I accidentally brainrotted, if there's aever an assault on Bale Mall though, Holler at a player. -Banana Bear 22:16, 18 July 2006 (BST)

HOLLER HOLLER BANANA BARE. Besides u cud strat a knew characktur u now. We lav u bananana bare, why dont u loove us!!! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:54, 19 July 2006 (BST)

Yuo no wut? I hardly pley my r00573|2, I mean, r0tter, eye dudst mite. hhaha! butt he knew kid can't got o yagoton, my maine is their. -Banana Bear 06:15, 19 July 2006 (BST)

U r alwaes welcoem two if yuo wnat two!!! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:33, 19 July 2006 (BST)

Luke et yu0r supporters whore!!1! I'm Training montage now join later!!-That's Why I did your Wife 07:10, 21 July 2006 (BST)

A.S.S. Wipes

Template:A.S.S. Wipes hilarity --^talk 21:33, 13 July 2006 (BST)

Invitation for Grim

In response to your query on my talk page: Read my userpage. Please. --Grim s-^{Mod U!} 14:55, 8 July 2006 (BST)

Responded on your talk page. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:47, 8 July 2006 (BST)

Lud Lum

Found in -location- when I busted in with an alt. What are the odds? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:47, 28 June 2006 (BST)

No kidding? Oh well, not really a long-time enemy or anything. Speaking of ASS, though... if you want to screw around with our page, go ahead. You don't have to if you don't want to, but it's definitely sub-par, in my opinion. What can I say? I designed it when I was less experienced with wiki formatting, and I've never gotten around to redesigning it. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:51, 28 June 2006 (BST)

Personally, I like the simplistic format. There are probably some optimisations and straightening up that can be done though. Meh. What can I say? I play a very simplistic browser based game that practically none of my friends have heard of. I tend to have low standards in terms of "prettiness". As long as something is neat an organised, I'm happy.

So I assume that I was correct in not sending out an announcement? While it wasn't like I would've been zerging in the classic sense, doing so would've been multi-abuse in my eyes. Glad to see we have more morals than some groups. *cough* CDF *cough*. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:57, 28 June 2006 (BST)

I know what you mean about simplicity (even though my user page is a little fancier than most pages on this wiki). The things that annoy me to all hell, though, are typos, depreciated HTML, misused wikicode, things of that nature. How hard is it to learn XHTML and CSS, properly quote your element attributes, and learn the goddamn wiki formatting? </rant style="rant-format: brief;">

Anyway, it wouldn't have been a huge deal if you had sent out an announcement, but I'm glad you didn't. We've been allied with groups in the past who used alts, and while Jimbo and I looked the other way, we've never used alts ourselves. I have characters other than "Bob Hammero," but they're off doing completely different things (e.g., I have a zombie in the RRF who is currently off munching brains in Dulston). As far as I know, no other members of ASS use alts either. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:05, 28 June 2006 (BST)

Yes, I can tell from our UDTool list that some less-than-questionable tactics were employed by our allies. Also, about Multi-Abuse: frankly, this sort of thing about the CreedyDF pisses me off —, as far as I'm concerned no group should have alts in it. They still play a mean game, but it is the really small groups, the DEM and the RRF that tend to abide by this "rule". –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:13, 28 June 2006 (BST)

I absolutely agree. So many groups seem to employ alts with barely-tangible excuses. I applaud the RRF for playing a clean game. I mean, it's one thing to cheat if you're playing a single-player game, but it's unfair to other players -- especially those of us who refuse to cheat -- when you're playing an online game like UD. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:22, 28 June 2006 (BST)

Well, whether or not you should have alts in a group is a subjective argument, isn't it? Some groups have alts (the CDF is NOT the only one), others don't. It comes down to individual group policy. Cyberbob Talk 07:27, 28 June 2006 (BST)

A group's right to use alts ends right at the point that the alts start interacting with other characters. If I had "Bob Hammero" and "Bob Hammero 2000," it wouldn't be very fair if I started using them both to attack another group, now would it? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:31, 28 June 2006 (BST)

Exactly. Which is why the CDF absolutely fobids the use of both alts in the same task. They must be completely separate, both physically and in their jobs. Cyberbob Talk 07:35, 28 June 2006 (BST)

What about information sharing though? Say I use a second character to scout around, and another to attack. That's tantamount to having gotten another 50 AP unfairly, since the 50 AP/day is supposed to be split between all actions. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:37, 28 June 2006 (BST)

If the jobs are truly separate, then information from one alt will be irrelevant to the other. Cyberbob Talk 07:38, 28 June 2006 (BST)

Heh

Check out the discussion at the bottom of ASS' talk page... Cyberbob Talk 20:03, 21 June 2006 (BST)

Signin' Up

Heh. Pity that I did ask first then or that would've been funnier. Check the talk page, I decided that DOA wasn't my style and Jimbo Bob seemed glad to have me aboard. Still got to look into getting my "zombie" into DDAR. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:55, 21 June 2006 (BST)

D'oh.... OK, I feel like an idiot now. I seem to be horrible at keeping track of my own group's talk page. Anyway, I think you'll have fun laying down the pain with ASS. :D –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:59, 21 June 2006 (BST)

Editing/technical questions

Questions about technical issues (e.g., wikicode, XHTML, CSS) or editing (e.g., templates, edit conflicts, etc.) belong here

Lovein It

{{UserTemplate}} is great! Check out {{[[Template:switch|]]}} pretty spiffy eh? Any chance the ParserFunctions will come through? --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 22:20, 25 August 2006 (BST)

I just saw that you were asking Kevan the same thing. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 22:23, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Glad you like it. I've been waiting a long time for the upgrade so that I could create {{UserTemplate}}. :) What does {{switch}} do? And yeah, I hope we get ParserFunctions. Don't know though. We REALLY need CheckUser too. Argh! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•T•A•C•B!} 22:24, 25 August 2006 (BST)

11th is a silly example but you could use it I think to extend {{UserTemplate}} with some logic for sizing as in width=NNNpx|big|small ... ? --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 22:50, 25 August 2006 (BST)

...
width: {{switch|{{{width}}}|case: big=500px|case: small=100px|default={{{width|250px}}} }};
...

Okay, I'm impressed. Damn. :D You should add some text to the template page explaining what it does, though, because when I first looked at it, I wondered why we would need a template named "Switch" to deal with days of the week. :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•T•A•C•B!} 22:56, 25 August 2006 (BST)

I put up a first draft of some examples. I don't feel they do justice to the power of the thing. I'll dig up an old C textbook and try to pull out some classic examples. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 23:54, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Suburb page

The map that you just put up doesn't work with Special Suburbs. They don't come up in bold. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 23:43, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Special suburbs? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:14, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Template Page

Hey, Bob, can you give me a link to a image page? I would like to try making templates again. I will probably also ask you how I should write text, but thats for later.--Canuhearmenow 23:30, 20 August 2006 (BST)

You mean like Dead.gif? Or do you mean the upload page (Special:Upload)? That's always available on the sidebar of every page. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:32, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I mean like building a template from scratch kind of thing. Do I have to "Leech" off another image page?--Canuhearmenow 23:34, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Nope. I've created a lot of templates from scratch. You need to:

Go to Special:Upload and upload whatever images you want to use.
Go to Template:WhateverYouWantYourTemplateToBeNamed and edit that page.
Code in whatever template you want.
Save.

–Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:36, 20 August 2006 (BST)

How do I code it?--Canuhearmenow 23:37, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Whatever you put in the page will be substituted in when the template is used. Take a look at a few other templates and see how they're done, then imitate their style. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:39, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Hmm...Ok, I think I get it now, Thanks!--Canuhearmenow 23:40, 20 August 2006 (BST)

I keep on looking for a Template page to base my template off of, but can't find one. Also, what do I write down on the empty page?--Canuhearmenow 19:11, 21 August 2006 (BST)

What kind of template are you making? And once again, anything you put in the template page is what will appear when you use the template. Most of the user box templates, for example, use small tables with an image and some text. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:15, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Well, just a simple "This user is a member of the Roftwood Assault Force Joyner Battalion" With the logo.--Canuhearmenow 19:17, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Take a look at {{ASSaultSupporterSmall}}, I think it's similar to what you're trying to do. Go to the edit page (but don't actually change anything), and you'll see that it's really a table. You can see how it's all laid out, where the background color and image are set, where the text goes, all that. Just base yours on that, change the colors, image, and words, and you should be done. You can just copy and paste the entire page and change the relevant parts (including the usage part) if you want. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:21, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Thanks a bunch!--Canuhearmenow 19:22, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Hey, one last thing, can you check Recent Changes and go to the template I made so you can fix that {{}} thing? Don't know how. And also, how do I change letter and background colors?--Canuhearmenow 19:29, 21 August 2006 (BST)

I don't see any {}s hanging around, so I can't fix those. It's very easy to change the colors. If you look at the template, you will see colors mentioned in several parts. Here's what you need to know:

border:solid black 2px: you can change "black" to any color you want to change the border color.
background-color: #00000: this should be a 6-digit hexadecimal code, or a named color, and will change the color behind the title text. You can get a list of some of the valid colors at Web colors.
color: #FF0000: this is done the same way as the previous one, but it will change the text color itself.

–Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:35, 21 August 2006 (BST)

So, how would I make this a template without the whole {{}} thing? How do I do that part?--Canuhearmenow 19:38, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Ah, I think I see what you are asking now. The answer is, you wouldn't. Every "user box" template on the wiki is laid out that way, because the {{}}s are setting up a table. You can read about this at Help:Templates and Help:Tables. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:40, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Sorry, I give up, can you please finish the Template I made so I can make more for my group, so potentially I will be able to make templates based off this one?--Canuhearmenow 19:45, 21 August 2006 (BST)

There was one small technical problem with your template, I fixed that, plus changed the part of the background. Larger problem is the hideously long (misspelled) name. You might want to rename the template to something shorter, like RAFJB, for example. The template should update the usage instructions automatically. --Brizth ^{M T} 19:59, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Template:Suburb

I'd like to ask for your comments on a suggest I recently lodged on Template talk:Suburb. It appears that this page is traditionaly edited by mods but no policy exists for updating it. Is this type of edit something I could perform on my own or should I wait for more feedback? Ask for forgiveness instead of permission sort of thing? Or is it off limits to me? --Dunnigan Taggart 22:29, 14 August 2006 (BST)

From Dunnigan Taggart's talk page:

I usually answer on my own talk page, but it looks like you left your comment a few days ago, so I'll answer here instead. I updated the template for you, and although most people haven't edited that template, you could have if you wanted to. You did the right thing in asking for feedback, and if you hadn't heard anything bad, you could have just gone ahead and edited it yourself. There is some benefit to you in having me do it, though, because I'll get any flak if people don't like it. ;) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:42, 20 August 2006 (BST)

A Comparision

Our version

My favourite place's version. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:00, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Not bad. Perhaps I should make an expanded version similar to theirs ({{usr}} I mainly created to create inline links to users). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 10:05, 25 July 2006 (BST)

{{User|Xoid}} for the full, {{Usr|Xoid}} for the regular? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:10, 25 July 2006 (BST)

My thoughts exactly. The nomenclature is already set up for it, too (one is "shorter" than the other). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 10:12, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Groupbox Rework (using templates with parameters within)

I noticed your spiffy rework on the groupbox and like it so far. One of the things I like most is the pleading is assigned to rows instead of columns. It's Mo Better! I have general questions if you have time. Is it possible to use a template with variables inside another template call? I wanted to place a call to {{forum|http://foo/}} within the contact section of a groupbox. When I did this the pipe in the forum call seemed to wanker the group table. Any thoughts on how to accomplish this? --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 22:48, 28 June 2006 (BST)

Thank you. I've always found {{Groupbox}} to be a bit on the ugly side, not to mention (after looking at its code) pretty old-school in its design. My version looks very similar, but behind the scenes it's far more up to date.

Anyway, to answer your question: as far as I know, and to my great annoyance, templates called inside other templates, whether or not they use variables, almost always screw up. That's why you'll see that I always sign by hand on Suggestions, instead of using my normal signature as I do everywhere else. I would very much like it if there were a way to call templates from other templates (I've got a lot of ideas for fancy templates myself, but they almost all require more than one layer of substitutions), but I don't think it's possible. I'll point Xoid (aka Grand Master of Wikicode) to this conversation, though, so that he can either verify what I said or provide a solution to our problem. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:23, 29 June 2006 (BST)

{{Info_{{{1}}}}} would make the first parameter part of a variable, or something similiar. That isn't very useful though. Not unless you want to force people to make a template for each and every group, which is obviously self defeating. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:58, 29 June 2006 (BST)

Doing some digging and research on other wiki sites shows that this has been resolved in later versions of the software. I'm still unsure at what version the changes came into effect but MediaWiki 1.6.7 (at least) allows for use of templates within templates, variablenames and parameters. As of 1.6 parameters may also have default values built it like {{{1|default}}}. Those would be benificial for coding some cooler stuff. Perhaps an upgrade down the road will lend us some scope. In the mean time check out temp in temp to see whats possible on the horizion. --Max Grivas ^JG,T,P! 08:07, 29 June 2006 (BST)

I could've saved you some trouble by saying that this has all been brought up before, but, meh, I forgot. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:11, 29 June 2006 (BST)

So, any shot at getting the wiki software updated? Should I bring this up to Kevan? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:30, 29 June 2006 (BST)

Bring it up with Kevan, but I don't think there is much chance of it actually happening. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:00, 29 June 2006 (BST)

Damn. Why not? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:23, 29 June 2006 (BST)

Because Kevan almost never actually musters the interest to take care of things like this? I know I'm not a doctor, but that'd be my guess. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 09:26, 29 June 2006 (BST)

Jimbo, did you see? You're on my user page now. Along with the best quote evar (where "best" = "HURRRRR"). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:28, 29 June 2006 (BST)

Actually, I did see! What's up with that? And explain quickly. I'm becoming rather nauseated by my company over there. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 09:31, 29 June 2006 (BST)

Well, your quote because of the awesomeness and hilarity (you da man!), and the Labine50 quote because it is one of the most retarded things I have seen on the wiki. In true style, Labine50 managed to get absolutely nothing right when voting on a suggestion to boost search rates: powered searches are very useful, the game is unbalanced in survivors favor, and the idea sucked. That level of stupidity just has to be archived, don't you think? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:36, 29 June 2006 (BST)

It's true. I am da man. One thing, though: While Labine is certainly a - if not the - exemplar of Stupidity in Our Times, I still prefer Classic Labine, when you could practically feel the hysteria oozing through your monitor. His idiocy these days just doesn't have that same frenetic quality to it. Might I be so bold as to suggest that you sample out something from his initial spurt of panicked suggestion killing as well, to show the evolution in his style (such as it is)? --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 09:48, 29 June 2006 (BST)

Also, I need to get me some sleep. It's actually pretty damn ~~late~~ early here now, and I'm going to have to get up fairly early in the morning. Latarz. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 09:49, 29 June 2006 (BST)

You, sir, are a genius. Perhaps you would be so kind as to point me to an example? (Also, check the Yahoo group.) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:50, 29 June 2006 (BST)

Other

If it doesn't fit anywhere else, just put it here

Suggestions

Yeah, I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who's fed up with that place. I still kind of like the idea, so I'll probably go back to it in a few weeks, but as for now the random article button ends up in interesting places from time to time. --Burgan 20:35, 31 August 2006 (BST)

Award

Thank you! Nice that my work is appreciated. Anyway, I gotta go and start my day. Have fun with the vandals. Here's what I call my Vandal View. It should load a bit faster and stress the server a bit less. --Brizth ^{M T} 06:42, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Always! I should be doing actual work right now as well. Ah, if only we had CheckUser, eh? :) Thanks for the vandal view tip. Definitely loads faster for me. And thanks for your help on the wiki! I should've given you an award a long time ago. You definitely deserve it. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:43, 30 August 2006 (BST)

MSN

your ass, the internet, now. Please?--∴Gage 05:15, 30 August 2006 (BST)

Campaign

Fun.--Thari^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 17:53, 29 August 2006 (BST)

WikiDevil

	The Wiki Devil
	This user believes that Amazing is the Wiki Devil.

Shh.... I swear it wasn't me. *Shifty eyes* --A1C Jerry^{ASS•PK•ASA•T} 11:20, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Sigs

Heh, funny that you mention that now, today. I've actually had one at User:Brizth/sig since April, but it's only today that I actually started using it. For example, here :D--Brizth ^{M T} 00:57, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Heh! That is ironic. And thanks, by the way. :) By the way, are you ever on MSN? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:05, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Yes, though not exactly at this moment, nor until next Thursday when I get my laptop from repair. I try to keep my workstation clean of, uh, additional software. --Brizth ^{M T} 01:12, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Ah, gotcha. And good idea. Although surfing the wiki is apparently no problem? :P –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:14, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Godmazing's crap

No, please, NO. I was just curious. I wanted to read what he was trying to do on the wiki rules, That's all.--Thari ^{S T F U} 22:03, 26 August 2006 (BST)

My Awesome Idea

Hi, can you please check out my idea.[2] It would be quite cool and nice if this was made.--Canuhearmenow 20:52, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Bob, my idea got some positive feedback and everyone said they would join it. Can you make the page and send it to me?--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 20:41, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Give me a couple paragraphs descrbing what exactly you want the project to be for and any specific things you want on the page and I'll get on it for you. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:51, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Hmmm, can't think right now of the paragraphs but I can say that it should look like Project Welcome!'s homepage, and maybe for jokes just use a M! for the Mentor page's picture. Also, maybe we should contact Sonny, MrAushvitz, Xoid, Gage, and the other senior wiki members so we can make this thing go off smoothly, like ask them for their opinions on what should the main page paragraphs should be, and so they could quickly sign on for membership. And about the paragraphs; Maybe it should be a 5 paragraph structure, the 1st paragraph describes how Blank (Saying that because I can't think of a good name for the group, we should talk about a name with the others) was made. The 2nd paragraph should describe what the group does, the 3rd page should tell how to join or get help. The 4th paragraph would show a list of available mentors, and upon being chosen the chooser must remove the name from the list, and when done with helping the newb the Mentor would put his name back on the list. The 5th paragraph would just have a list of people who are using a mentor, and next to their name there would be the name of the mentor. So, what do you think? (And when the page is made please send a link to my talk page, and if it happens a link to the discussion the above people had about a name and/or paragraphs.)--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 21:11, 24 August 2006 (BST)

Hello?--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 21:01, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Yes? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•T•A•C•B!} 21:13, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Did you read my response to what the page should be?--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 21:14, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Yes. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•T•A•C•B!} 21:16, 25 August 2006 (BST)

So...What do you think of it? You asked me to tell you what the page should be like and what it should have, so I gave it to you, should I change any of it?--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 23:45, 25 August 2006 (BST)

It looks fine. I haven't forgotten, I have just been busy, sorry. Soon. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•T•A•C•B!} 23:47, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Ok, contact me when your ready, in the meantime I will be asking users what they think the name should be, and also what the main page should say. Thanks for helping my idea be realized!--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 23:50, 25 August 2006 (BST)

Hey, I got a Template for Project Mentor! Its right here Template:Mentor, I wanted to tell you this because first off, you would want it, and secondly, it needs a image, like maybe a M!, like Project Welcomes W! And finally, can you start the project Mentor page, it should be called Project Mentor! All you have to do is make the skeleton of the page, and I'll put in the filler. Thank You!--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 20:33, 26 August 2006 (BST)

File uploads are still broken. I'll let Kevan know. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:48, 26 August 2006 (BST)

What do you mean? Is it fixed (Sorry for being impatient. I'm like a kid waiting for christmas on December 20th)--Canuhearmenow ^Hunt! 00:54, 27 August 2006 (BST)

They seem to be fixed now. Let me try again. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:56, 28 August 2006 (BST)

Coalition for Fair Tactics

Why did you deem it necessary to delete my addition to the discussion of the CFT General Guidelines? Was it inflammatory? Are only CFT members allowed to post there? Inquiring minds would like to know. Also, hasn't Kevan gone on record saying he doesn't care how people metagame, making this whole issue moot? --Torvus 00:48, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Please reread my page guidelines. I like new comments to be under level three headers. Thanks.
Only members of the relevant CFT Assembly are allowed to post on that page. You should have left your comments on the talk page. The large box at the top of the page quite clearly states this. Please read it. As a matter of fact, any time you go to a page and see a large box at the top, it's a good idea to read it unless you find yourself breaking a rule that you didn't know about.
Please reread what the purpose of the CFT is. What Kevan thinks is irrelevant.
In summary: read things. Thanks. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:48, 22 August 2006 (BST)

Witch Burners

Sign up! Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 19:56, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Burn the witches! Signed up. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:18, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Curious as to your opinion on this.

[3] Do you think this a violation or not?Jjames 00:39, 20 August 2006 (BST)

Responded on that page. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:16, 21 August 2006 (BST)

Cleaning up... what?

Man, i was cleaning all pages that were edited by Meow Cubed... but then the wiki blew itself for half an hour, and then i didnt had the time to undo everything he did (i went to a party then :D). The strange thing is Xoid restoring that page... WTF did he had in mind ? --hagnat ^mod 14:39, 19 August 2006 (BST)

The page was a legitimate page originally, if you take a look. That's what I'm talking about. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:36, 19 August 2006 (BST)

Malton War Crimes Trial

I think you'll like it. It's for all the biggest and badest mofo's of Urban Dead that just love to spread chaos. I have you down for a lot of crimes for PKing. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 02:36, 15 August 2006 (BST)

Awesome Template

The Lord God found this template and thinks you may like to use it!

	Arby's
	This user is thinking Arby's.

-- (The Lord God) † ^Pray 06:59, 14 August 2006 (BST)

Forum Problems

Hey Bob, for some reason everytime I try to post there's no place for text on the ASS forums. Can you fix this? Thanks. Scinfaxi 07:56, 8 August 2006 (BST)

No idea what's up. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:52, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Let me see if it's just my browser bob. If I had problems during the day I'll let you know. Scinfaxi 16:12, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Ok, it works. Scinfaxi 01:19, 9 August 2006 (BST)

Waiting for you

Xoid is waiting for your comments. Don't let the policies suck any longer! --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 05:49, 6 August 2006 (BST)

And now I'm the one waiting for you, this time on that same page's talk page. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 20:58, 8 August 2006 (BST)

Say what?

I think it should be pretty obvious that the layout of my user page in no way is derived from yours. What gives? --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 07:36, 5 August 2006 (BST)

It's obviously an inferior knockoff made in a sweatshop in some third world country. Why do you hate America? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:48, 5 August 2006 (BST)

I have now discerned the truth behind the lies behind the truth behind the lies, which are, themselves, behind the truth (which is actually a lie)! You may find my stunning expose in the usual location. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 09:57, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Jimbo, I am not looking inside of your pants. Period. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:46, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Call me Randy. By which I mean, on my user page you crazy durmblemass. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 23:41, 5 August 2006 (BST)

The answer is obvious: Jimbo's a commie. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:50, 5 August 2006 (BST)

The might of the Motherland shall make you pay for that vile slander, capitalist swine. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 09:48, 5 August 2006 (BST)

Hamters

I figured out a way to end all the problems on the Spam Removal topic in Talk:Suggestions.

	Hamters in the Basket Supporter
	This user or group believes that if John Teabags does in fact put the hamters in the basket that this situation can be resolved.

Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 22:00, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Haha, that's awesome. I'm going to create another template based on that one. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:01, 2 August 2006 (BST)

That is quite awesome. --Paradox244 ^W! ^TJ! 15:24, 7 August 2006 (BST)

CFT

Hey, I signed up for the DEMON thing, but I forgot that I'm going on holiday for a week now (till the 11th), so I won't be able to take part in any discussions etc. for the next week. I'm really sorry about this (oops!), but if it comes to a vote or whatever before I'm back then assume mine's against it. (I'm working on the principle that it should be over by the time I'm back, but, if not, then I'll carry on like nothing's happened!)

I completely forgot about my holiday (*shame*); so what I'm basically saying is: please will you cast my vote against it if I'm not back. Thanks! (I'll be back on the 11th, hopefully logged back on by the 12th or 13th)

Jonny12 ^W! 21:32, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Against the use of DEMON, or against actions being taken against the DEM for using DEMON? I just want to make sure I know what your views are. Thanks for letting me know, and enjoy your vacation! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:37, 2 August 2006 (BST)

I meant against the use of DEMON, but thanks anyway! I see that the argument's still going on, so I'll go and read up! Jonny12 ^W! 19:28, 12 August 2006 (BST)

Hey Bob. Do you think that you could back off the rhetoric a bit on the discussion? I think that you'll catch a lot more flies with honey than vinegar. It's degenerating into a flame war, which will really hurt our chances of working things out with a group that's basically in favor of what we stand for. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 00:45, 3 August 2006 (BST)

I'm doing my best, but look at what they are doing. And you notice anything strange? All of a sudden, tons of DEM members all start up their own little bitching sections? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:49, 3 August 2006 (BST)

I see, but it would be nice to have the high ground. --Darth Sensitive

^W! 00:53, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Thank you for reminding me to keep my cool. It is difficult to do so when you have five people shouting "Bob u r wrong!1". –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:57, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Just a note

Hey as you have noticed I'm taking a break from the UD wiki for a while. I got a bit sick of only cycling pages and getting quite a bit of criticism for trying to think about things differently (Cyberbob calling me slow just topped it off for me), anyway because I don't know when I'll be back on a regular basis I suggest you try and keep on top of the suggestions. Not only cycling but also moving them into their respective categories. As you would have remembered we had a massive backlog before so it'll be a shame to go back to that. I suggest for your ease that you go and get a few people to share the burden of that mind numbing work. Mind you though I doubt anyone would be too willing to help. Well I guess if there is a backlog when I do come back that I can get onto it, but I need to find myself some reason to go onto the wiki other than just moving suggestions. Well good luck with the suggestions system while I'm gone. - Jedaz 14:18, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Will do. I, personally, am sorry to see you go, and I hope you can find a reason to come back. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:03, 2 August 2006 (BST)

The Assembly

Unfortunately, my current location (Shore Hills/Galbraight Hills border) has been under attack for several weeks now. I'm currently defending what few buildings we can and simply repairing the barricades of my home base has been a taxing venture, leaving me very little AP to find bullets and other supplies. At current, I would not be the most effective member to have with you, and my people need me more so I have to respectfully decline your offer. Maybe next time. --Arcos 12:12, 1 August 2006 (BST)

From Arcos's talk page:

I noticed your message on Bob's talk page. Just so you know; the purpose for the assembly is to give feedback on the current issue, not use AP in the game. If it comes to action in game, rest assured that there are numbers enough to do the job. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 16:36, 1 August 2006 (BST)

What Xoid said. Are you certain that you want out? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:14, 1 August 2006 (BST)

If it is merely in a diplomatic/negotiatory position, then I am available; but if not, I can't abandon my people. Also, the actual functions of the assembly seem rather ill-defined, but I have been known to read things wrong in the past. --Arcos ^T•C•S 21:12, 1 August 2006 (BST)

It's just a discussion/diplomacy/negotiations kind of position, correct. If action has to be taken in-game, it will be recommended by the assembly, but there's nothing that says that individual representatives have to do things themselves. If you'd really rather that we pick someone else, though, just let me know. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:43, 2 August 2006 (BST)

So long as it is diplomatic in nature, then I'm all on-board. --Arcos ^T•C•S 00:48, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Awesome. If you could put the "(X)" next to your name on the CFT page, that'd be great. Thanks. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 00:49, 2 August 2006 (BST)

Bob, perhaps you have a more private line of communication that I can contact you over? I believe there is a flaw that needs to be addressed. --Arcos ^T•C•S 01:42, 3 August 2006 (BST)

bobhammero@hotmail.com. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:46, 3 August 2006 (BST)

Question

This may not happen, but since it might, i want to ask you something I have a suggetion [4], and im holding a vote on it. The only valid votes are yes or no. If someone votes spam in it, am i allowed to strike it out, since im holding a vote on my own suggestion? --Gold Blade 21:40, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Sure, if you want to. It's not an official vote of any kind, so that would be no problem. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:09, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Bots

Meirleach of Big Bash wants to thank you because your message on the News talk page brought the bots at Morrish back. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 03:18, 31 July 2006 (BST)

He better no be blaming Bob. Why can't people just take it as a given that he knows what he's talking about? If people keep saying "prove it, prove it", then of course he's going to give a working solution. Frankly, I'd prefer to keep the details quiet, but whenever you vote on suggestions you have to provide reasoning. It wouldn't matter if people who didn't know what they were talking about made suggestions, now would it? Sorry for being rude, but I had to vent. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 03:26, 31 July 2006 (BST)

The motherfucker had better not be blaming me. Why? My pseudocode was vague enough — deliberately — so that the only way you could make use of it would be if you were already competent enough not to need a code example in the first place, making it moot.

But as Xoid said, this whole issue would be avoided if, when people hear me say "I know what I'm talking about," or "your idea is broken, here's why," or "that won't work," or "that's already been defeated," or "shut the fuck up, you really don't know what you're saying," they believed me instead of badgering me and snickering and feeding off of each other's ineptitude and thinking that they've "got me," when really any programmer in the world with a working brain cell would be falling over in their chair laughing at the idiots. If people who don't know things would just shut up, none of this would have happened.

I'm not mad at you. I'm mad at morons. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:35, 31 July 2006 (BST)

He's not blaming you. He's just saying that you should've e-mailed or PMed someone it instead of saying it out in the open. Kind of like how you e-mailed me today. But he does say that even if you didn't say it then they would have found out eventually. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 03:36, 31 July 2006 (BST)

The pseudocode was vague enough that only someone who could've done it anyway could've made use of it, so why bother hiding it? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 03:39, 31 July 2006 (BST)

As Xoid said, that's a fallacy. The code was so vague that only someone who could have done it on their own would have been able to make real use out of it. He doesn't think that a real bot could be programmed in five, easily readable lines does he? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:42, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Dude, I have no idea what that means but you're probably right. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 03:45, 31 July 2006 (BST)

What I mean is that the example I gave was only five lines, and the only programs that are five lines long are the ones you write when you're first learning a language. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:49, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Except for one-liners in the IOCCC. :p –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 03:50, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Or many of the brilliant Perl programs. :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:53, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Template Change

From Paradox244's talk page:

I changed the {{Jewish}} template slightly to fit in with the other two. Hope you don't mind. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:30, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Not a bit. Feel free to edit them for higher quality. I'm still not quite sure what I'm doing, so I'm always glad for some help. I also plan to do templates for all the major religions. Thanks. --Paradox244 20:32, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Alright, I'll take a look at them and change anything that I think needs changing. If you have any template questions, I'd be glad to help. I've made a couple of templates here and there. ;) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:51, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Thanks. --Paradox244 20:55, 29 July 2006 (BST)

UDTool

While there may be malicious code in there, somewhere, from the comments, the function names, and how those functions were going to be called, it looks like he was developing a method of producing watermarked screenshots. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 11:47, 29 July 2006 (BST)

Re: I'm not wrong

Sorry Bob. I didn't mean to sound rude, but I did, so I apologize. I guess it's all moot anyway since the author pulled the suggestion. --Kiltric 06:41, 29 July 2006 (BST)

FYI reply

Cool, thanks, and thanks for your keep as well! I was pretty paranoid I'd get spammed to hell. --Burgan 20:33, 28 July 2006 (BST)

No problem. It's a good idea. To be honest, I'm surprised you're not being spammed either, but I have a hard time predicting how people will vote on things. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:37, 28 July 2006 (BST)

PacMan

I'm just letting you know that you make PacMan cry. He will no longer be able to save you or the wiki from Blinky, Pinky, Inky, and Clyde. But as a token of good will, he'll live on on your talk page. http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/6/6b/Pacman.PNG --Darth Sensitive ^W! 04:46, 27 July 2006 (BST)

I am happy to give PacMan a place to live on my talk page. :P –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:11, 27 July 2006 (BST)

Welcome to our Wiki

--Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS CoL} 19:58, 26 July 2006 (BST)

Posted on Saromu's talk page:

I am just lurning how two edit this wicky. I hope to sumday be famoose like you and taht bob hammero guy! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:00, 26 July 2006 (BST)

Wiki Idea

I have an idea how to improve the Wiki, where should I post it? Contact me with an answer!--Canuhearmenow 03:06, 26 July 2006 (BST)

Posted on Canuhearmenow's talk page:

What kind of idea is it? There are different places for different things. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:22, 26 July 2006 (BST)

My Idea is that there is a new button that allows you to see the major changes done only to pages labeled watch within 3 days. After all, what is the use of Watching a page if within probably 4 hours its not listed?--Canuhearmenow 03:24, 26 July 2006 (BST)

That feature's already set up. In your preferences, you can set how many days to see on the watchlist, and you can also hide minor edits in the recent changes. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:32, 26 July 2006 (BST)

Join

I would like to sign the pledge to the Coalition Of Fair Tactics, but I don't know where I should put my name. Can you send a response to my mainpage?--Canuhearmenow 02:07, 26 July 2006 (BST)

Posted on Canuhearmenow's talk page:

There are instructions for signing the pledge here. Let me know if you need more help. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:13, 26 July 2006 (BST)

Come and go?

Bob, I know you have played this game way longer then me, so tell me, is what survivors experiencing basically the same thing that zeds experienced and that is why they went on strike? I am asking because I don't want to get all frustrated over the possibility of the game ending...So you think this thing will just come and go?--Canuhearmenow 01:30, 26 July 2006 (BST)

Good question. This is very similar in the effect to what prompted the formation of On Strike, but it's a different cause.

When we went on strike, it was due directly to the increase in syringe find rates, and the lack of new zombie skills. What happened is the zombie population dropped to staggeringly low levels, and many prominent players stopped playing.

In this case, it's a somewhat different cause — namely, zombie players have changed their attacking tactics, but survivor players haven't followed suit. Kevan has tried to make up for this somewhat with the nerf on Brain Rot, but it doesn't appear to have helped yet.

All that said, yes, I think that this will come and go. I've seen the balance tip back and forth several times now, and I'm certain that it will swing back to 50/50, and then in favor of survivors, before too long. And then, it'll start to tip back to 50/50, and back to zombies, and…. Just hang in there. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:35, 26 July 2006 (BST)

Ok, so because you have played and seen so much, how long, in your opinion, will we have to hang on?--Canuhearmenow 02:05, 26 July 2006 (BST)

It really depends how much people are willing to change their playing strategies. If they're unwilling, it could be several weeks. If they're willing to change, possibly only one or two weeks. It really depends. I've been invited to apply to the Council of Leaders, and I'm taking some other steps as well to help out, so we'll see how much progress can be made. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:27, 26 July 2006 (BST)

Concerning the O.C.D

I would like to personally thank you for your editing. Our web moderator has been replaced, by me, and we will make sure we have better information on groups before we allow them to be posted into our Under Investigation section. To adress your statement in your NPOV section, I understand that it might be hard to believe that there is more than one member in my group, and how it may be a little unorthodox to not name our members, but this is the only way we can complete investigations. If we are trying to get into a suspected pking group and we advertise that we are a member of the O.C.D, our organization would not be very effective. However I do agree that I am new to this game and new to wiki, so any mistakes I make concerning wiki edict, by all means, correct me. That being said I don’t want to make trouble with any groups right now, part of which is because we don’t have a base of operations, so just to clear things up, may I edit or change your additions to our site? Thanks again for your helpful suggestions.-Snakeeyes0072 19:35, 25 July 2006 (BST)

You are of course free to edit my changes. However, you're not allowed to edit them so that they're not neutral, or remove them entirely. That's the policy of this wiki -- anyone may add a neutral point of view section to the top of a group's page, and it must stay that way: neutral and visible. Now, in regards to your infiltration tactics, here's a word of advice: stay away from ASS. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:39, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Thanks for your understanding.-Snakeeyes0072 19:48, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Battle of Walrond Square

Read it? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 17:51, 25 July 2006 (BST)

WTF? That's bizarre. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 17:55, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Do you like it? I created it. True story...more or less. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS CoL} 17:57, 25 July 2006 (BST)

But did it actually happen, with the zerger dude and all? And were on crack when you wrote it? ;) It's funny, but surreal. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 17:58, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Yeah. This guy created 93 zergs accounts on different IP Addresses with AOL and killed everyone at Walrond Square. Everyone on Rezzens was making fun of him but I stood up for him because of the awesomeness. It doesn't take much to impress me. As long as it's awesome, dudely, sweet, or bitchin' I'll be amazed. And I wrote that at like 1 AM or something. I don't remember. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS CoL} 18:03, 25 July 2006 (BST)

That's great. Good job, man. And hey, what's going on with the CoL? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:06, 25 July 2006 (BST)

We're discussing future plans and new members. I made a topic about you, Karlsbad, and Xoid. When they get on they'll read it and stuff. I sent the CoL forum link to Xoid. You can probably get it from him. If not I'll just send it to you in a PM. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS CoL} 18:12, 25 July 2006 (BST)

That would be handy, if you don't mind. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:22, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Sent. Check your PMs on ASS. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS CoL} 18:23, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Got it. Thanks again. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:28, 25 July 2006 (BST)

Fuck the CoL. If you can still get in good luck. I'm out though. They want to impeach me because I said "va fangul" to Tony Blair. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 03:34, 29 July 2006 (BST)

I withdrew my bid after learning some disgusting and disturbing things about the CoL. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:06, 30 July 2006 (BST)

Like? Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 22:45, 30 July 2006 (BST)

Check your email. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 22:59, 30 July 2006 (BST)

Dude, gross. I thought the whole thing about him was because he's a Priest and they were torturing him. Well I guess it does make sense. I'm out though. Doesn't matter since he quit a long time ago. But still, gross. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 23:25, 30 July 2006 (BST)

Yeah, and I don't know who the other guy was, or see any of their shit, thank god, but gross is right. Understatement, actually. Fucking horrible. Just don't tell them I told you — the farther away I get away from them, the better. People like that should be shot. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:27, 30 July 2006 (BST)

They all know about it. They just told me it was because he was a priest that people made fun of him. That is sick. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS}

They all know about it? Are you shitting me? You should report the motherfuckers, man. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:35, 30 July 2006 (BST)

Dude, I don't know how old or connected you think I am. Who am I going to tell? My NJROTC instructor? My dad? Petro? Seriously. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 23:37, 30 July 2006 (BST)

The cops? I dunno, I assumed you were there at the time so you could give proof, but I guess not. Hey, think you could delete my intro posts and account off their retarded forum? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:39, 30 July 2006 (BST)

I wasn't there. I originally joined it when he left. That's when they lied to me about it. And I'd love to delete it but I've been stripped of my admin powers and banned for a week. Cursing in Italian is not welcomed there. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 23:41, 30 July 2006 (BST)

That is so retarded (and horrible of them to lie about it too). WTF is wrong with those people? I guess I'll have to go ask them to delete my account myself. What did you say to them anyway? I don't know Italian. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 23:45, 30 July 2006 (BST)

Va fangul is Italian slang for "go fuck yourself". Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 01:01, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Cough cough cough. Check the forums under General in the topic LoL CoL. My last post will explain everything. Sonny Corleone ^{WTF RRF ASS} 05:35, 31 July 2006 (BST)

I don't see it. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:41, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Never mind, yes I do. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:42, 31 July 2006 (BST)

Wiki Discussion Board

Well, as you seem to fell that you need an invite to come then here it is. You are officially invited to join the http://urbandeadwiki.th7.net wiki discussion board. Happy now?--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 08:12, 21 July 2006 (BST)

Hey, I was just joking around about all that man. But yeah, having the link is handy, thanks. :P –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:14, 21 July 2006 (BST)

Problem

I'm asking you because your usually on every day. My question is when you try to go on the Urban Dead game login page, did you get a "Server off for maintenance." I'm asking because I got that today all day, and I'm wondering if its the game in general, or my own computer. Please respond. Thanks! --Canuhearmenow 01:21, 21 July 2006 (BST)

Everyone is having that problem. I don't know what's going on. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 01:23, 21 July 2006 (BST)

Edit N^o 1000

It's for you =D --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 05:38, 20 July 2006 (BST)

Pansy. I've lost track of my edits, but I was around 7,000+ at the time. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:43, 20 July 2006 (BST)

Not that hard to keep track of, really. But Matthew, it took me a while to figure out what you were saying. "Edit North, 1000 degrees?" Yeah. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:47, 20 July 2006 (BST)

Oh, in Argentina "N°" stands for "number". I tought it was like that everywhere... --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 05:54, 20 July 2006 (BST)

Well, in the US we sometimes use "N^o" for "number" (note the smaller "o," not the degree symbol "°"). Is that what you meant? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:06, 20 July 2006 (BST)

Hah! I'm sorry but I didn't want (neither tought) to go trough all that code just for an edit. Actually my keyboard has the key that makes that symbol, but it's configured like a English Keyboard instead of what it is so the key doesn't print the symbol it has. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:17, 20 July 2006 (BST)

Ah okay, my mistake then. Please forgive my brief period of retardation. :) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:20, 20 July 2006 (BST)

Yeah, you need glasses. Big ones. =P --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:25, 20 July 2006 (BST)

Not that hard to keep track of? Then tell me how many edits I have at the moment. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:40, 20 July 2006 (BST)

As of right now, assuming that this is your very first edit? Exactly 7500, no more, no less. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:51, 20 July 2006 (BST)

Damn. I've slowed down. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:56, 20 July 2006 (BST)

Actually they're 7394! You lazy guys, can't check anything... --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 06:57, 20 July 2006 (BST)

What? No, it was 7500 edits. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:59, 20 July 2006 (BST)

I don't know how you came with that number, but I can tell you how did I: Special:Contributions, and some trial and error in the navigation bar. Also, I changed the number because he edited more while I was cheking. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 07:02, 20 July 2006 (BST)

I'm pretty sure that the wiki will return misleading information if you try to get it to query the database too heavily. I did it in a very simple way: Special:Contributions, set the query size to 500 edits at a time, went to the earliest edit, then counted groups of 500 until I couldn't advance any further. At that point, you just have to count the number of edits on the page (simple in most text editors), and add it all up. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:05, 20 July 2006 (BST)

I did something much alike what you did. If you check it, when you change it to show in groups of 500, the nav bar looks like this:

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Xoid&offset=0&limit=500

That "500" can be changed to whatever you want, but it won't show more than 5000 edits. So, I aimed to find what was the half of Xoid edits, and i came up with 3680, with a plus of some 32 edits (i counted them manually). Then, I added the ones that he made while I was checking (2), and got that number. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 07:12, 20 July 2006 (BST)

Steal?

Nice one, but remember: if i wished to steal your new spiffy boxes, i could do it right now =P. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 20:20, 15 July 2006 (BST)

Of course you could. But those fancy little boxes have some dirty tricks up their sleeves. Don't even try to use 'em unless you really know what you're doing, or your page will probably break beyond repair. ;) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:21, 15 July 2006 (BST)

You should check my User page. Altough I must admit that I couldn't put my character's profile links too, but that's just a matter of time. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 20:43, 15 July 2006 (BST)

Uhh, hooray. You couldn't have given me even a day of uniqueness? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:46, 15 July 2006 (BST)

Oh, c'mon! you really wanted to have a FULL day of that? </joke>. Don't worry, im deleting that right now ;) . --Matthew Fahrenheit ^{YRC | T | W!} 20:50, 15 July 2006 (BST)

Wiki Gestapo

I have nothing wrong with the Wiki Gestapo. I found it funny but I'm thinking ahead. We're going to get an Amazing type troll who'll complain and cause a big scene. So if we keep I'm fine with it. But I don't like the part about being mentioned on the page. It makes me look like the bad guy for putting it up for deletion. Sonny Corleone ^WTF 16:03, 11 July 2006 (BST)

I agree. You could always add an NPOV section to address that, which is what I was talking about. Alternately, there's always the (ab)use of power option. This is like a meeting of the leaders right here: Gage has characters in ASS and RRF. Guess who leads ASS. Guess who leads RRF. ;) (Don't know if I ever congratulated you on that, by the way. Congratulations! I've got a rotter in the RRF myself.) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 16:06, 11 July 2006 (BST)

I'm going to leave it be. Frankly I don't want to be brought up on vadalizing again for putting a NPOV section in. And thanks for the congratulations. Sonny Corleone ^WTF 16:08, 11 July 2006 (BST)

That's your choice, but just so you know, NPOV is specifically protected. If you add an NPOV and he tries to get you for it, I'll back you up. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 16:12, 11 July 2006 (BST)

I'd debate that. Due to Odd Starter's delightfully lax wording of that section, essentially anything you could add can be vetoed by the group owning the page. I'm seriously considering trying to strongarm some support together for a move to the Nexus Wiki's way of dealing with this sort of shit: require people to put a specific disclaimer that anything and everything is non-objective, or take it to arbitration if there is a fucking complaint, instead of all this bitching and moaning that we get now, like with the Bloody Moronic Eeeeediot's group page. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 18:57, 11 July 2006 (BST)

New template

This is a new template, juuuust for you! I hope you like it (and can take a joke!)

	Wiki Gestapo
	This user is a member of the Wiki Gestapo.

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^talk 05:25, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Hahah! Oh man, that's hilarious. Thanks. Yeah, I can take the dig. :P –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:18, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Already a deletion case over it. Crybabies. "Oh look, a picture of Hitler! That has something to do with Nazi Germany! Let's delete all reference to it, and hopefully we'll forget that WWII and the Holocaust even happened!" These idiots make me sick. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:34, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Seriously dude, it's fucking retarded. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:38, 10 July 2006 (BST)

join my my new group--

^talk 05:29, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Do that thing

Oh, that thing you do. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 04:37, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Never mind. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 05:15, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Like, WTF?

I'm gone a couple of days and look at the chaos that ensued. Jesus. Does this place require my presence in order to be boring and stagnant, or something? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:00, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Man, this place was a tenth as active when you were gone. Why do you think I put that ugly shit on top of my user page? It was only today that anyone commented on it. I was tempted to report myself to vandal banning just for adding that shit. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:41, 10 July 2006 (BST)

Vandalism

I think someone vandalized your page... --Paradox244 18:41, 9 July 2006 (BST)

Why? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:52, 9 July 2006 (BST)

The thing at the top in multi colored letters. Is that supposed to be there? --Paradox244 19:04, 9 July 2006 (BST)

Believe it or not, yes. I was wondering when someone was going to mention it. :P –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:05, 9 July 2006 (BST)

How long have you had it up? --Paradox244 03:25, 10 July 2006 (BST)

A few days. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:41, 10 July 2006 (BST)

It's gone now... What was it for? --Paradox244 21:50, 10 July 2006 (BST)

My own amusement, and to see who would notice. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:56, 11 July 2006 (BST)

And I'm the first one to say anything? --Paradox244 03:30, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Yep. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 03:55, 11 July 2006 (BST)

Riddles?

What's that code in your user page about? i managed to decode the first part (the easy part) but I'm not... nerd enough for the numbers: i just find little patterns on them, that's all. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^Talk 07:18, 4 July 2006 (BST)

The numbers are likely the binary for the respective ASCII character. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:39, 4 July 2006 (BST)

Heh heh heh. Decoding the first part should tell you how to decode the second part, anyway. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:40, 4 July 2006 (BST)

Damn, if you start to overload my brain then i'll start to post in spanish... better get some sleep. --Matthew Fahrenheit ^Talk 07:44, 4 July 2006 (BST)

Hex? Aw. C'mon. I hate converting hexadecimal. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:47, 5 July 2006 (BST)

Heh. Hex is just the first layer of fun. I'm having such a great time with this... probably more than anyone who's bothering to work through it. :D –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:00, 5 July 2006 (BST)

I can recognise how you are "encrypting" the data, but I really can't be bothered — if it was something that needed to be truly secret you would have used much more secure methods, perhaps even beale, but I doubt anyone would have the patientence to decode it if it was. Beale's practically invulnerable to brute force cracking, after all. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:14, 5 July 2006 (BST)

A short Perl script, or something similar, should help you if you if you really want to break the "encryption" (can you really call it that? I guess so, but effectively not). Anyway, if I really wanted to post something secure, I would probably use something like AES. But I'm more interested in creating an interesting puzzle than I am in keeping the information secure. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:18, 5 July 2006 (BST)

Personally, I would use beale. Essentially uncrackable. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 05:25, 5 July 2006 (BST)

Reading about the Beale ciphers, it looks like the technique is a book cipher. That kind of technique isn't really secure anymore, you know. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:44, 5 July 2006 (BST)

Get me my enigma machine then! :-p –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:05, 5 July 2006 (BST)

Got a thing for old cryptography systems? GnuPG -- it's the future! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:45, 5 July 2006 (BST)

What about ROT13? The most secure system ever! –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:14, 5 July 2006 (BST)

Not true! For my super secret communications, I use ROT26. Completely unbreakable! –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:36, 5 July 2006 (BST)

Countdown?

on your user page, what exactly is the countdown about?--^talk 02:12, 3 July 2006 (BST)

Hmm, interesting question. :P –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:22, 3 July 2006 (BST)

It's... the final countdown

Cue the crappy music. Er… what's that about, anyway? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:49, 2 July 2006 (BST)

Oh come on, you don't think I'd give the secret up that easily, did you? Take a look at the sequence and think about it for a bit. If you need more hints, ask again. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 09:51, 2 July 2006 (BST)

Is it the number of days until your modship bid is ready for processing? Cyberbob Talk 10:08, 2 July 2006 (BST)

Can't be. That's on the 7^th. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 10:12, 2 July 2006 (BST)

Are you sure? What's two weeks from June 27th? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 11:26, 2 July 2006 (BST)

I was going by Vista's estimate on the 'crat promotion page. Cyberbob has kindly informed me that Vista was mistaken. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 11:42, 2 July 2006 (BST)

Damn straight he was. Cyberbob Talk 11:46, 2 July 2006 (BST)

Well, there you go then. :) Shamelessly inspired by this article. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 11:48, 2 July 2006 (BST)

Sorry if I put this in the wrong place, I need help with the whole user page in general, like how to start it, how to put links the works. lol. Also, I have a time issue with ASS I leave for the Navy in 18 days and I was letting you know before I came a member if there was going to be problem with me being gone for a while. --Naniki 21:11, 2 July 2006 (BST)

No, that shouldn't be a problem. Good luck, and just let us know when you get back. To answer your questions, I would read Help:Contents (which is very short), and then follow the other editing links at the bottom to find out more. Let me know if you have specific questions. (To answer the two you already asked, you create a page just by editing one that doesn't exist already, you link to other pages on the wiki like this: [[Some Other Page|optional link title]], and to external pages like this: [Full_URL Optional link title].) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 21:24, 2 July 2006 (BST)

Timeline template help needed!

Hey can you have a look at Template:Timeline, it just a set of major events in UD. I use them in the page History.

Can you check and add/edit any more events to it? One of the event that needs, to be fixed is the date that "Amazing" got banned from Wiki.

By the way story has been moved to History and unfortunatly it still going to be shot down (its on the Moderation/Deletions page), fortunatly i only need one more keep to be safe(The only problem would be the fact that i only have a couple more days left for it, oh well...). However Template:Timeline would still have its merit so it should be safe to edit it :)

Cheero! --Akimbomidget 13:50, 1 July 2006 (BST)

I'll take a look at it, but I have to tell you, my gut feeling is that it'll end up being voted on for deletion as well. I'm not sure why it needs to be in the Template namespace, and having a user ban as a major item in UD's history is asking for a flamewar, in my opinion. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 17:11, 1 July 2006 (BST)

Ban stick template

Thought you might like this

	Ban Stick
	This user WILL report you to Vandal Banning.

--Technerd 01:26, 1 July 2006 (BST)

I like that a lot! Took the liberty of fixing a couple of minor things. Hope you don't mind. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:15, 1 July 2006 (BST)

OMFG ZERG RUSH

MATTIATOR IS BACK. WE ARE ALL DOOMED! Cyberbob Talk 19:19, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Ugh. How do you know? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:21, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Look at the Recent Changes! Cyberbob Talk 19:22, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Oh Christ, look at his signature. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:23, 24 June 2006 (BST)

I know... *breaks down uncontrollably into tears* Cyberbob Talk 19:27, 24 June 2006 (BST)

It'll be OK Cyberbob, it'll be OK. You know, if we had his character profiles, ASS might be able to add him to our upcoming ASSault.... –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:27, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Oh God. YES. Please do. Maybe I could find his profiles off M-ZAP's history... Cyberbob Talk 19:38, 24 June 2006 (BST)

If you can do it, he'll be added. Y'see, ASS's next ASSault is going to be a "tour of Malton" of sorts. Oh my, will it be fun. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:41, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Damn. The only link he put on it was to his user page... :'( Cyberbob Talk 19:45, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Do you s'pose we could convince him to just give us his profile link(s)? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:45, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Considering the fact that he's probably reading this conversation, no. Cyberbob Talk 19:46, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Suggestions page

Hey, I'm feeling unwell at the moment and I'll be getting alot of rest so I was wondering if you would mind cycling the suggestions. It would be very helpful to me and it'll keep the system running smoothly as posiable. Well let me know if you can or can't, I just though I would ask you as you seem to have had an interest in the system. If you don't want to it's ok, I'll just ask someone else. - Jedaz 00:11, 24 June 2006 (BST)

I would say yes, but I know that I'm not going to be able to get on the wiki for a few days within a couple days, so I don't think I can. Otherwise, I definitely would. Sorry. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:22, 24 June 2006 (BST)

Hammero/ASS Impersonator

It seems like somebody is impersonating you and yours on the CMS Board As of now people need to register before being able to post, to prevent this from happening again. It was all the same person as you can see here:
Bob Hammero IP: removed
Jimbo Bob IP: removed
Bob Hammero IP: removed
N0 0ne IP: removed
The REAL Bob Hammero IP: Left out because I think it's really you.
Bob Hammero IP: removed
The REAL Jimbo Bob IP: Left out because I think it's real.
The REAL REAL Bob Hammero IP: removed
Jimbo Bob IP: removed
Xoid IP: removed
The REAL Amazing IP: removed
Brizth IP: removed

We're sorry for the inconvenience..--Vykos 17:44, 22 June 2006 (BST)

Thank you for your assistance, and I'm glad to know that you guys have taken care of the problem. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:26, 22 June 2006 (BST)

Yeah, ditto. You boys (and girls?) is all right. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 19:33, 22 June 2006 (BST)

Salmon is a shit colour

It sure is. Cyberbob Talk 19:03, 20 June 2006 (BST)

Salmon is pretty ugly, yeah. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 19:06, 20 June 2006 (BST)

E-Mail or an IM

Can I speak to you on either of those? My contact details are on my page. Cyberbob Talk 18:41, 20 June 2006 (BST)

Actually, don't worry. I'll E-Mail you. Cyberbob Talk 18:43, 20 June 2006 (BST)

Responded. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:58, 20 June 2006 (BST)

A New Template

Check this out. It's my latest creation. Cyberbob Talk 10:53, 17 June 2006 (BST)

I actually don't get it... –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:47, 19 June 2006 (BST)

What? You know, grasping for straws as in using any argument, no matter how weak or irrelevant (especially irrelevant) that you think will let you win? Cyberbob Talk 18:49, 19 June 2006 (BST)

Oh. Duh. Hurrr on me. Anyway, I like it (especially now that I get it). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:52, 19 June 2006 (BST)

Heh. While you're at it, check this out. Cyberbob Talk 18:53, 19 June 2006 (BST)

Ha! Man, you're even more of a template junkie than I am. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 18:57, 19 June 2006 (BST)

Guilty as charged. Cyberbob Talk 19:03, 19 June 2006 (BST)

Two heads are...

Conndraka seems to be pissed. Not entirely sure if it's at me (likely) or Novelty (likely) or both, but I fail to see where he is coming from. I guess what I'm asking is, could you take a look at the situation and tell me why, 'cause I'm at a loss here. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:45, 16 June 2006 (BST)

I'd be happy to. Any page in particular at which I should start? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:56, 16 June 2006 (BST)

Not entirely sure if there is a need anymore. It seems to stem from the speedy deletion of those criterion 11s he made. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 06:07, 17 June 2006 (BST)

Alright. Well, let me know if you change your mind. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 06:24, 17 June 2006 (BST)

Broken Flowers link

Just noticed while browsing the Suggestions page - the Talk page link in your sig appears to be broken somehow. You may want to look into that. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 02:46, 9 June 2006 (BST)

Can you show me a specific example? It looks fine to me. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:48, 9 June 2006 (BST)

Your vote here. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 02:52, 9 June 2006 (BST)

Thanks, I fixed that one. I think it was probably done by the same vandal that changed a bunch of other stuff on that page. Any others I need to look at? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 05:30, 9 June 2006 (BST)

That was the only one I spotted. Glad to hear it was probably an isolated vandalism rather than a persistent error. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 05:34, 9 June 2006 (BST)

Boobs. Or something.

Since when did you start doing actual work? Slacking off on the kills? Jimbo is gonna exceed you by a fair margin if you don't catch up. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 20:36, 4 June 2006 (BST)

Yeah, I know. I've been doing a shitload of work on the wiki lately because, well, it's more interesting than the game. Isn't that stupid? I have a level 38 survivor or whatever, and I'm the co-commander of an infamous, growing PKer group whose name is shouted over the radio and spraypainted around, but I just don't care right now. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 20:40, 4 June 2006 (BST)

Heh. Yeah, I've been bugging him to get back to his real work, actually. No more goofing around with productivity! --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 21:08, 4 June 2006 (BST)

Uh...

This looks like one for you, Bob. You know I am not one of those "coder" people. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 07:21, 4 June 2006 (BST)

Member problems

Uh... wow. New contributor's always nice, but I'm thinking a little more restraint might be in order even for a group like ours. You agree? --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 02:10, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Revert it and warn him. Sternly. If he does it again, he's out. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:13, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Mm. Good, I was hoping we were thinking along the same lines here. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 02:25, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Absolutely. We don't need that kind of BS, or the inevitable (justified) chorus of complaints that would greet it. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:30, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Taken care of. Cleaned up the entry and left a note on his talk page. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 02:30, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Excellent. Thanks for taking care of that. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 02:36, 3 June 2006 (BST)

No prob. First on the scene, right? --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 02:47, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Can I nominate him for sainthood? That was classique. (Admittedly that is my sort of humour.) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:14, 3 June 2006 (BST)

If you want to, be my guest. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:15, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Alright, tell him that he is now allow to claim that he has been canonised. (No one really cares that it wasn't from the Pope, right?) Related note: Example page is a good example of what I get up to when nobody is paying attention. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:20, 3 June 2006 (BST)

I saw that before, and wondered what it was about. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:24, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Heard of ANZAC day? I'm sure Aussie war veterans are turning in their grave as I speak. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:26, 3 June 2006 (BST)

No I haven't. What is it? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:27, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Australia-New Zealand -something- Corps Day. (It is really bad that I don't know that whole acronym. Worse than an incestual relationship that includes your dog in the equation.) It's a veterans day, where we celebrate all that our troops did over the years; fighting to keep us free and all that.

"We shall remember them", and "Lest we forget" are two of the taglines for ANZAC day. Making light of it like that is probably enough to get me lynched. (Not enough to make it a certainty, but it's still very poor form.) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:35, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Oh well, what do I know. I'm an American. There's the US, and then all you semi-humans. (Yes, that was a joke. Which reminds me: {{Humor}}, if you haven't seen it already.) –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 07:38, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Bob, that was really inappropriate! I don't understand how you can possibly grant partial humanity to foreigners while our boys (well, not yours and mine - we don't like each other that way) are fighting overseas. From now on, try to remember that it's subhumans. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 07:44, 3 June 2006 (BST)

LMAO You guys are a riot. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:46, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Heh. Thanks! Also, were you referring to Khalil's entry on the trophy list with the sainthood thing? If so, I didn't really get the humour there. Mind 'splaining? --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 07:51, 3 June 2006 (BST)

I have a very morbid and black sense of humour. I can laugh at http://www.sexylosers.com/ (Not safe for work.) and that site makes light of Necrophiliacs for fucksake. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:55, 3 June 2006 (BST)

It wasn't so much the profanity that made me wonder - as noted elsewhere on this page, I read S*P, fer cryin' out loud. It was that there was no discernable (to me) joke in what he said. Far as I could tell, the guy was just cussin'. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 08:03, 3 June 2006 (BST)

"Skull-fucked name after filling him with lead.", meaning he molested the guy's corpse afterwards. (You do know what skullfucking is, right?) –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:35, 3 June 2006 (BST)

In the general sense. I can't say I've ever had somebody present me with a diagram... nor do I much care to.

Alright, I guess I can see where (possibly) inadvertently admitting to necrophilia is worth a giggle. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 08:44, 3 June 2006 (BST)

I noticed it. But, as you said, you can't spell correctly. (Bloody Americans. There is only one form of correct English. That reminds me, check out meta.wikipedia.org and search for gorilla campaign and guerilla campaign. If you can't find what I'm trying to steer you in the direction of, just holler.) Can I ask a favour? Could you just copy 'n' paste the code from {{flagbox}} when making 60px wide pic templates, same thing but with {{smallbox}} for 40px wide templates. Consistency is my major gripe with all the templates on this ~~dump~~ site. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:46, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Sure. What's the difference in the code? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:47, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Mostly minor, just cleaner, tighter, and IIRC, the way that I fiddled with setting the width makes it more adaptable when the image size is fucked around with. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:18, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Ha. Hilarious stuff. (But it's meta.wikipedia.org). –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:55, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Hmm? What was that. *whistles* –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:18, 3 June 2006 (BST)

I understand they undertook some manner of kickassery in Vietnam? Also, don't worry - abortion jokes are hilarious! --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 07:48, 3 June 2006 (BST)

I love S*P. When I discovered it a year ago, I wasted a month straight reading through everything in the archives, right from the start. (I did that with QoW and every other web comic I've picked up over the years.) How'd you find out about S*P, anyway? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:55, 3 June 2006 (BST)

You sent me to QoW, and their crossovers sent me to S*P. Little surprised it took you so long to work your way through the archives, though. I do the same archive-binging thing when I find a new webcomic, and it rarely takes me more than a few days to make it through. You a slow reader, or did you just have ~~a life~~ unnecessary distractions taking time away from that? --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 08:03, 3 June 2006 (BST)

I was working my way through about seven or eight other webcomic's archives at the same time. Understandably, this made the process take longer. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:35, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Ah. I imagine that'd do it, yeah.--Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 08:44, 3 June 2006 (BST)

My god. I go away for 45 minutes, and this spirals out of control. Damn you, people with no lives. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:49, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Hey, I have a life. I'm just celebrating a reprieve from it, is all. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 08:54, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Hey Bob, why'd you kill the {{Humor}}? It was a template that I ~~stole~~ borrowed for using in those situations — a template that points to a template. Great idea, right? –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 08:03, 3 June 2006 (BST)

What do you mean, killed it? –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:49, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Oh, now I get it. I just thought I really typoed before. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:51, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Also, I'd just like to have it recorded that I am immature enough to find the heading (hee hee) of this section hilarious. Thank you. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 08:46, 3 June 2006 (BST)

LOLOL IMACHURITY. –Bob Hammero ^{Mod•B'crat•T•A} 08:49, 3 June 2006 (BST)

Just so, Bob. Just so. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 08:54, 3 June 2006 (BST)

w00t! Yay for erectile dysfunction! –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 09:18, 3 June 2006 (BST)

STDs are also hilarious. Except for when they're gross. Then they're just gross. --Jimbo Bob ^ASS•U! 09:34, 3 June 2006 (BST)

promotion

Sorry you had to withdraw. I wish I'd seen it earlier, I'd have vouched. Better luck next time.--'STER-Talk-Mod 19:23, 1 June 2006 (BST)

I appreciate your support. Unfortunately, I felt like the tables weren't tipping in my favor, and I figure if I wait a month or so I'll probably have better support. I'll be sure to leave you a note, if you want, when I re-run. Thanks again! --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 19:27, 1 June 2006 (BST)

Noob

Yeah thanks for helping. What I've been trying to do is set up a grouppage (I know you've noticed) after I made another post in response to what I just wrote him. I was typing the 2nd response when you gave me the answer, I know I'm still a noob, but right now I have done what I was hoping to accomplish on this site (Rather poorly though). But I know I have another question rotting in my brain somewhere, but I don't remember what it was. If I can think of it I'll drop you a line. Thanks again --Captain Pirate 05:31, 1 June 2006 (BST)

This

I'm kind of proud of this. Took me ages to find a good pic :) --A Bothan Spy ^{Mod WTF U!} 15:00, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Not bad at all! --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 19:25, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Moderation

BobHammero for moderation!

Go for it! --hagnat ^mod 04:46, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Are you sure? I haven't been here two months yet (well, not under this account anyway, I was part of the "Tehasskickars" account before). :-D --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 04:50, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Wait a little bit. (1-2 weeks at a minimum.) Frankly, I should've waited, but I felt it was more important to get feed back on how I needed to change my attitude than to be successful first time around. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 04:55, 30 May 2006 (BST)

OK. I still wasn't planning on running within that time period anyway, but I thought I'd throw this your way. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 04:59, 30 May 2006 (BST)

You know what, on second thought, I think I'll give it a shot. Even if I fail miserably, it would give me good feedback on what I should be doing differently. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 08:22, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Time is the great equalizer. Just continue as you do and everything will turn out fine--Vista 11:27, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Thanks for your support. Don't worry, I have no plans to start fighting again! --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 11:30, 30 May 2006 (BST)

Member of two opposing groups?

How can you be a member of project Welcome and project UnWelcome at once?--The General ^{W! Mod} 23:36, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Well, as I say on my user page, it's basically a joke. I don't actually support Project UnWelcome (actually, I don't think anyone really does), but I think it's funny. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 23:43, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Nah, Bob is just in on the conspiracy to overthrow the wiki. Oops. Um, bye. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 07:04, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Agent Four, you have been compromised. Initiate plan Blue Four. I repeat. Initiate Blue Four. Your existence has been disavowed. This message will self-destruct in four seconds. --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 07:12, 29 May 2006 (BST)

Toolbox

Looks very nice. It could be linked from at least help pages, maybe some other place also. It seems Xoid went through it, so I don't think I'll find anything to fix :D --Brizth ^{mod T W!} 13:29, 28 May 2006 (BST)

I fixed things that stood out as wrong, but I wasn't looking very hard. There are probably still minor problems with it; everything seems to have minor problems that get missed. –Xoid ^S•T•FU! 16:43, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Thank you! I'm sure there are little problems too, but if either of you feels like moving it, linking it, or doing whatever the best thing is to let the rest of the community find it easily, feel free. (I can do this myself, too, but I'm not sure if that's something that non-mods are "supposed" to do.) --Bob Hammero ^T•W!•U! 17:47, 28 May 2006 (BST)

Knife Sharpening

I can suggest it if you don't want to, but this is a good idea for knives. It'd leave the axe as your standard fall-back weapon and knives could be melee weapons you'd constantly be improving and breaking and replacing. While it would make the axes more interesting I think knives need the improvement more. --Jon Pyre 21:15, 25 May 2006 (BST)

Check this out

I just made this. What do you think? I intend it to be used in a way similar to Template:Ohsnap. --A Bothan Spy^{CDF - WTF - U!} 08:20, 25 May 2006 (BST)

Awesome. Simply awesome. P.S.: I'm going to be all leader-like and remove you from the enemy watch list as well. For the win! --Bob Hammero ^W!•U! 08:23, 25 May 2006 (BST)

Forward the infantry! --A Bothan Spy^{CDF - WTF - U!} 08:25, 25 May 2006 (BST)