January 2010

User:Ripf22

Seriously, I am hesitant to rule vandalism, let alone conclude that he's an alt of a permabanned user. He took the user/password addition off the website as soon as he heard it was considered to be a phishing scam, and as for his behaviour, if I made a website based off Urban Dead and my only thanks was a claim it was for phishing scam, as well as the possibility of being permabanned, I would behave abrasively too. Did anyone actually test this "phishing" form out? --

09:51, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

After reading the form there more, I'm beginning to change my stance, though I'd want a codist I trust like Rooster or someone's confirmation before backing it as a phishing site. --

09:52, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

CODER I TRUCST. I WULD DO X TO. SREOIUS BUSINES Cyberbob Talk 10:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

ddr was on his guard. the meatpuppets were circling the wiki like hungry sharks, waiting to pounce on a hapless policy. he knew they were out there. they knew he knew they were out there. Look! they strike, transforming a routine a/pm rejection into a hellish nightmare of yes votes. the users of the wiki were crying out for his help... "save us from the meatpuppeters ddr! save us!" "i cant" he groaned, "i... i dont have enough proof.........." Cyberbob Talk 10:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

...The Fuck? --

14:03, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

im experimenting with a new burn style, you like? Cyberbob Talk 16:08, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I thought it was hilarious.--Yonnua Koponen^{Talk ! Contribs} 16:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Honestly, it made me think you were drunk wiking and therefore reminded me of my clique... --

22:09, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

DDR, though he's provided what he says are the scripts he's using in the /pro part of his website, we cannot know for sure that those are the scripts being used on the actual page. In fact, you can't even get at that code (and by that I mean urbandead.org/final.php). There could be an easy five lines to store login info in a .txt file he could've just cut out. What's phishy (har har) is that he asked for logins in the first place; there are smarter and safer ways to get someone's location for a revive request. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW}

17:07, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

No shit? I haven't even seen his versions of the scripts. I merely said that when I find a coder here that hasn't overreacted grossly to this whole affair to confirm that its suspicious, I will rule. Like shit I'm trusting this dgw character. --

22:12, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

dgw is pretty reliable. I mod one of the section over on Brainstock and he's never been trouble, even slightly. I'd take his word. Also I saw this site of rip's the other day, it did ask for login details which seemed highly suspect.

22:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I think you mean her there Mis. --

Timmah!

Talk

22:27, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Shh. I don't like making those asumptions after that night in Seoul.

22:29, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

abloobloobloo Cyberbob Talk 10:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

DDR3

It is faster than 2.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 23:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

DDR2

J33z...what a mess...--Thadeous Oakley 14:12, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

DDR

Wauw... Whether this is vandalism or not (I'd say yes myself), it's severe to delete and recreate A/A just to get said edits out of the system. It's also pointless; the site with pic DDR linked to is gone regardless, and the name...well...by the time it is deleted most of us will know it by then, so the damage is done regardless. Sucks but it's not that it's that bad people know your first name. Last name would be different.

Also, while your picture is gone from the interwebs for good, the yearbook page will spend another month in google's cache unfortunately, just that you know. --Thadeous Oakley 18:06, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

This is beyond shitty DDR. I could maybe understand sharing within the privacy of a few people, and on a secure IRC coversation, but posting that shit on the wiki? What the fuck man? I don't remember him EVER referring to you guys with your RL names, nor do I EVER remember him posting your pictures on the wiki. Just because you're okay with that, doesn't mean he is. Get your mind out of the anti-cb-haet mode and realize what you did was beyond a dick move. I'd rule vandalism if I wasn't such a noob and hadn't fucked up.

Also, whats this about manually deleting singular history items? I didn't know that was possible.-- ¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

That's because it isn't. Bob asked for the complete deletion of A/A and that's what Box did (and replacing it), right? --

Thadeous Oakley

21:13, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

*is. Learn to wiki please. --

00:48, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

moved from main --

23:37, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I never attempted to "win" any petty argument, just to demonstrate a very valid point of not just idiocy, but also using uncalled-for IRL references to start up shit (as demonstrated here, not to mention calls like this that have been going on for +2 years) and any other method is obviously lost on your as demonstrated with 12 months of "banter-ish" behaviour. What you have, my friend, is a case of the butthurt because you were found out by Read or such, who, like anyone on the internet, was bothered searching your email via google. Great security there. Also, nice work on the wikipedia:Streisand_effect. --

15:19, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

DanceDanceRevolution said:

I never attempted to "win" any petty argument, just to demonstrate a very valid point

lol? Cyberbob Talk 15:20, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Aww, a bombshell destroyed your chance at last-wording-to-win-an-argument? It's as simple as this and I'll say it again: Nut up or shut up. You make IRL jokes about a group of people for 2 years, one of them is going to turn around and bite you on the arse with information that you willingly gave to them. Simple as that, be prepared. Your fucking loss. --

15:23, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I make IRL jokes (that apparently were mostly not even true) that can't be used to identify you by people that don't already know you. That's quite different from posting your photo and real name, my cyberstalking friend. Cyberbob Talk 15:26, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

The point is you've been bullying users and baiting them with (deliberately) far-out assumptions of their IRL relationships for 2 years and they are obviously much tougher that you they didn't bring you here- not to mention J3D and others have been refering to me by my real name against my will for months and yet I just dealt with it.

The truth is, if you're gonna fuck with someone like Read for 2 years about IRL business, you should have been prepared to get the horns, and now you can't. Someone checking information obtainable on your userpage via google and loling at the results is your security fault and your tough shit; again, and for the last time, deal with it. --

15:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

I make IRL jokes (that apparently were mostly not even true) that can't be used to identify you by people that don't already know you. That's quite different from posting your photo and real name, my cyberstalking friend. Cyberbob Talk 15:36, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming you have nothing more to say on the matter on this butthurt joke case (though your obsession with the last reply still overtook this). Maybe next time you get pwned using your famous 2C baiting technique you'll learn to use the right admin action attached to the right admin page instead of adding to this month's unecessary drama pit (btw you can manually delete contribs, noob op). TIA. --

15:44, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

How on Earth can you manually delete contribs from the history without having to delete and recreate the page? That would've saved a lot of hassle with Iscariot a few months ago. Cyberbob Talk 15:50, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Delete and recreate every revision that exists before the personal data was added? Der? --

00:52, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

...Yeah I don't think that's really an option in most cases. Cyberbob Talk 00:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

derp how'd that undeletion work out for you? "nice one box..." indeed Cyberbob Talk 01:23, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

please check shit before you make such idiotic calls in the future. thanks. and btw, better get onto those unusedimages. watch the text links LOL --

13:25, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Just slap the warning on and be done with it thanks, hopefully cyberbutthurt has understood what we mean when we say 'fuck off with unfounded IRL jokes' from now on, and if he does then my job is done. TIA. --

00:52, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

No I will not stop cracking jokes about the nerdy shit you guys get up to when one of you tries to call someone else a nerd. u butthurt? Cyberbob Talk 00:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

you're fuckin kidding right? This whole case is a product of fucking butthurt (you could have just deleted the info yourself you fucking pitiful excuse for a user) and you spend the best hours of last night crying to me over A/A. Butthurt my ass. Get back to fucking your gayfl buddies. Oh no! Better run for the hills! DDR used something from CB's IRL life that he was told personally by CB!!! =O --

01:13, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

haha yeah buddy it's not like the posting of the photo+name in a public place (I believe I gave you that information on IRC, no?) was itself brought on by a lil touch of the hurt butt due to "unfounded IRL jokes" Cyberbob Talk 01:21, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

You think one measly escalation makes me butthurt? I work them off within days dude. then again, it's okay... After last night I can add something else to my "how to press cyberbob's buttons" list, and that's all that mattered to me from the start. --

01:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Not talking about the escalation, I'm talking about the motivation for posting the photo in the first place. by the way I think you'll find "malicious posting of real life photo and name" on just about everybody's list of buttons, hope this helps Cyberbob Talk 01:26, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

You'd be surprised, now you've a/vb'd me for it you've lost your own chance to give it a try and see how it flys with people who have had it been done to them for over a year now. You really dissapointed me with how quickly you folded. --

01:33, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Yeah sorry I'm not quite as fucked in the head as you :\ Cyberbob Talk 01:35, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Awwww there there... Don't know what happened to you but your skin seriously went so much thinner over Christmas... (see below case too. like what?) Speaking of which, I'm gonna go out and get some sunshine. Have fun sitting infront of RC... though I'm surprised you can still manage to sit after last night... --

01:40, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Iscariot

Iscariot said:

Why, oh why, am I not surprised by the actions of the Southern Cross Club yet again?

Apart from the fact there has never been an escalation given for any policy, see Jorm's paradox policy. They find me guilty of bad faith for one contribution even though both are aware and have been for some time that Zombie Lord is abusing Developing Suggestions due to his repeated statement that he's never going to take anything to the main system. He gets to continually abuse that page and attack other users in one of the main systems in this community and there is not one case for this, I propose a new cycling policy, that I'd yet to hear any objection to from other users or these two when mentioned before on talk pages and T:S and I get escalated.

Regardless that this will fix the problem now that Zombie Lord is browbeating users into leaving his suggestions unopposed through the use of unlimited arbitration rulings and is trying to systematically make T:S into his own personal user space and bury the legitimate use of the page by other users under the mass of multiple versions of his own 'work'.

For months Zombie Lord has acted in bad faith on that page and neither of these sysops even though they aware of this bad faith usage make a single case against him, I attempt to create a new cycling criteria to prevent this mass attack on the page, that has to be approved by the users of the system being abused and there's an instant case....

Kudos on the ref, just remember to link next thyme ;) x o x o 09:30, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Zombie Lord (2)

The General said:

Sorry, forgot about that. I intended to do it but it slipped my mind. My mistake, thanks for spotting it.

lol, overpoliteness, nice. x o x o 09:09, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

just coz you have no witty reposte to his comment...x o x o 09:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Zombie Lord

Zombie Lord said:

The Suggestion has not even been up two days yet, which is why I am removing the template. LeDouche and his gang have simply moved on to Phase 2 of their Troll War, that is, Arbitration and Vandal Banning attempts based on nothing in the hopes that my unpopularity will be enough to railroad through a banning. Yeah, it's pretty sad.

Clearly my interest here is in wasting my time preserving some template of Lelouch's that I could care less about and don't think he should be posting in the first place. Clearly. </sarcasm> I also could care less about your apparent unpopularity. I still try and respond to your suggestions with actual opinions, where appropriate, regardless of your reputation. The least you could do is assume that I'm not acting out of spite towards you, because I'm not. You need to be able to tell your friends from your enemies better. I'm neither. —Aich on— 04:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Right, your interest is the sanctity of Wiki Law over some meaningless so-called "precedent" that is clearly being misused to the detriment of anything resembling sanity. LeDouche is clearly an incompetent fucktard that wants to abuse technicalities so he can force the use of his lazy ass template as a Troll Weapon, regardless of the guidelines. Note that he has not bothered to do ANY other janitorial work on DS(I know because I've been doing it all) except to Troll my suggestions with his retarded template. Nice job.--

| T | BALLS! | 05:01 1 January 2010(UTC)

My understanding is that there's precedent that a contentious edit is left as it was at the time that the arbitration case was brought forward until the arbitration reaches a conclusion, that way the edit war doesn't continue throughout the case. The problem isn't that he's removing just a comment, but rather that he's removing a comment that is currently being arbitrated. —Aich on— 04:51, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

"Your understanding". I guess that means that you have no idea.--

| T | BALLS! | 05:01 1 January 2010(UTC)

Aichon, you're not going to get anywhere by arguing with him. I'd recommend just sitting tight until the Arbies case sorts it out. I personally wouldn't fuel his attention-craving by continuing to replace that template, but I'm not you. Also, 16 hours awake and counting! The keys on my laptop feel so light and ephemeral... Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 09:19, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but I wasn't planning on replying to him, simply because I have no additional information to contribute to the case. You may have also noticed that he replaced his original suggestion with a new one, so I feel no compunction to continue adding the template. Oh, and it sounds like 16 hours is stretching it for you. Go get some sleep. —Aich on— 10:11, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Bots Discussion

Return of old, already banned, bots

Over the past couple of days, bots who were previous banned have been spamming again. Has the recent update of the wiki somehow unbanned them? -- boxy 10:35, 27 December 2014 (BST)

Hmm

It's been a few years, but we're getting a wave of bots again. Thoughts? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:57, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully it's just a random burst, not a consistent thing? -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 04:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

More spammers stuck inside? I gather fraud attempts are way up at the moment. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 08:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Has it been going on for a while? Like beyond this week? DANCEDANCEREVO LUTION 10:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

No, not yet. I just realized I've gotten complacent because we've had so few. If it continues for more than a week or so we can ponder other options. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 17:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully it's just a flareup for now... DANCEDANCEREVO LUTION 23:31, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, like acne. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 23:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah.... acne.... DANCEDANCEREVO LUTION 00:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Anyone want to review this? They're still here, and popping them isn't helping. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 22:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you think the captcha needs to be updated? If so I can try to get in touch with Kev. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 14:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Considering we all have better things to do than continuously ban spambots, probably worth asking! stelar ^{Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge} 20:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I guess whoever has his ear, go for it. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 23:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

General Discussion

This page a redirect, or not ?

I was just working on this talk page, and noticed it was a redirect to this current month archive. If i were to go ahead and change the current redirect to the feb archive, all undergoing discussions in the january archive would be forgotten and hidden from the general public view. Thus i changed this page redirect to a page with a templated header and calling the two talk pages (the current one and jan one) into it. After some thought, i realized that by doing so i would lost my ever so precious and new found ability to create new headers with the + button. So, what are my options:

leave this page as a redirect to the current talk page
lose the + button functionality, leaving this general discussion section at the bottom (so that people using the + button will know they are creating a new general discussion sub-header)

opinions ? --—The preceding signed comment was added by Hagnat (talk • contribs) at 19:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I think it's better this way. It functions now the same way as the main page (A/VB). --Midianian^|T|DS|C:RCS| 19:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

As midinian. It's just fine to keep it the same as VB. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 12:46, 8 April 2009 (BST)

This page is fucked

It's not showing the main a/vb stuffs, just the bot section.--x o x o 01:16, 27 July 2009 (BST)

New form of Vandalism?

Just click on the link in my siggy :).--Thadeous Oakley A Challenge you ought to try 21:12, 13 August 2009 (BST)

I would definitely consider that a significant form of vandalism. But it also begs the question of why such code even exists (at least for the wiki). Is there any way to disable the Random code so that is has no effect? --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 20:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, check the talk page. Though the random page seems to have been deleted...--

Thadeous Oakley

20:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Fabulous. Wasn't sure if it had been dealt with since this header was still here with no comment. Glad to see it was resolved quickly. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 21:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

user page creation for vandals

can we please stop this behavior ? its kind of silly (not to mention stupid) to create a page (sometimes two) for a vandal user just to slap a template or two in them. Can we please stop this ? Im not sure if nonexistant pages can be protected, but even if its not possible, what possible gain does this wiki have by creating and protecting such pages ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 21:44, 9 September 2009 (BST)

I dunno. I never really got the protections thing anyway. I mean, what are they going to do. Create a new account and spam their old page? And even if protecting them is important, there's no need to create a page just for it. I agree with hagnat.--Yonnua Koponen^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:46, 9 September 2009 (BST)

That has been done (vandal coming back and vandalising old user pages) many times before in the past. It also stops others commenting on the talk pages of vandals. Again, that used to happen quite a lot. -- C h e e s e 21:57, 9 September 2009 (BST)

DISK SPACE = CHEEP Cyberbob Talk 00:13, 10 September 2009 (BST)

Basically, no. At worst it's harmless and the BannedUser template is a good one. Cyberbob Talk 00:21, 10 September 2009 (BST)

It's pointless and I agree with hagnat... I don't think we should be making a page for them. Still use the BannUser template on permabanned vandals with a page, but there is no reason why we should be going out of our way to spam the wiki with pages that aren't needed. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:39, 10 September 2009 (BST)

Vandal Data

My vandal data is not accurate and is missing at least one report. Do your job sysops, and fix it. --Thadeous Oakley 15:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

What's the magic word? Cyberbob Talk 15:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Fuck?

...Remember Bob, sysops are tools of the community, not the other way around. Sysops have their chores, and this isn't something I should ask for in the first place D: --

Thadeous Oakley

16:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

(Actually yes it is something you have to ask for - VD is too big for us to be monitoring all entries all the time) Cyberbob Talk 00:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Plus with an entitled and unhelpful attitude like that this might take a while. VB cases have to be sorted through and matched to the current entries under your name, strike dates have to be checked... how's January suit you? Cyberbob Talk 00:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

ReSpeCt Ma AuThority! pretty pleaz --

Thadeous Oakley

10:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Goddamn it. Why did I think it was this? The worst bit is I swear when I was striking you a week ago I was wondering about this but never followed it up. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 10:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I've double-checked everything and added the 24hour ban, along with the timestamp of the ban from the logs, plus an explanation. Thanks for being an honest boy with us, Thadmeister. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 10:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Precisely. Stop being a moron and tell us where and when we should be looking for this missing report. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 04:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

CB's being a bit of a jerk by stringing MG along, but MG was also presumptive, rude, and didn't give a lot of information. Why don't you guys just cut each other some slack? Of course, you could also just ignore me if you so choose, but you know that it would be easier if you guys were more civil to one another... Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 04:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

We've just had the exact same issue with another more formidable annoyance in Iscariot when it comes to A/VD (and not specifying where or what the issue is)- and our subsequent 'fix' led to even more turmoil and unrest than it would have been to leave it. We are past the "My A/VD isn't right- fix it NOW" attitude and if Thad wants anything done he can come and talk to us in a co-operative matter or we won't think dick of his request. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 04:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

It'd be better if MG would just ask you guys to do something and it happened without a big fuss; must we always have wiki drama? Asking someone for something has nothing to do with being subservient, it's common courtesy. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 05:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but you wouldn't call up a tech support help line and tell them, "my computer is broken; do your job and make it work" without offering any additional details about the problem. That’s just not how things work. Providing details about the problem is the courtesy that needs to be offered here if a productive result is to be expected. Until that happens, the rest is just chatter. —Aich on— 06:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

At the moment you've created more drama than Bob and Thad ever did. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Meh, drama is as llama does, and I consider myself more of an aardvark, really. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 16:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow sysops failing with A/VD again - i'm putting in an unprotection request, if you guys can't handle it and readily admit it maybe its time to hand control over to the hoards.x o x o 16:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Works for me!-- SA 16:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Do it faggot- and here Iscariot thinks I don't go through with things I promise to do. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 23:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Sup kids

Alright, long story short, a recently-ish perma'd vandal came to me via MSN and asked for another chance. I talked with box about it through email, he told me that he doesn't see much of a problem with giving out another chance, but to bring it here for more POVs. Here is the relevant bits of info on this:

Verdict	Vandal
Action taken	Permaban

lolb&. 3 edit rule.-- SA 01:23, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

The edits in question:

And the reason why they want back:

S/he said that they'd like to start a user page, and overall just contribute to the wiki. I forgot to ask why she vandalized in the first place, but my guess is that it was just another user messing around with the wiki and "having fun" without knowing our rules.

I really have no problem with it, Hitei was very nice and polite in asking me, wasn't demanding, just wanted to know the procedures of coming back. And s/he hasn't tried to send dirty pictures of themselves upon initiation of the conversation (god damn porn spammers. If I wanted porn, I'd find my own. I HAVE PREFERENCES YOU KNOW!). So what say you fellow 'ops and regular wiki users?-- SA 00:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Prepare the flood gates. --Haliman - Talk 00:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I trust you and box's decision after making such an opinion after conversing with the user about it. Just make sure we keep an eye out for them. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

No flood gates will be opened. No other banned user has come to me and asked me politely about why they were banned, and what they could do to rectify it. And if any other banned user comes I'll judge the case on it's merits and talk it over with the rest of the team, just like now.-- SA 00:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I trust you. Prepare for the wrath of Izzy. --Haliman - Talk 00:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Fuck Iscariot. His only weapon is his ability to write a shitload of words; he can be ignored as readily as any other user. Cyberbob Talk 00:33, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe the technical term is "bitching"; see synonyms at "whining". Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd be comfortable with it if she came back with an escalation or two to keep her on her toes. Cyberbob Talk 00:33, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking of starting her off with 2 warnings. Letting him work them off from there. Sound good?-- SA 00:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I think she should have to work off his warnings just like any other user. He shouldn't get a pass just because her apology was polite. --Haliman - Talk 00:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The talk page edit could be seen easily as not vandalism, I just used it as ban material. Thats where I get the two warnings instead of starting at the 24h ban mark.-- SA 00:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. I wouldn't even count the second as vandalism, I would have just reverted the edit and told off the user. But 2 is good imo. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Not that anyone gives a crap, but I support the return+two warnings. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

No, see, I care. This isn't something that happens very often, and I wanted to hear what anyone who cared enough to respond had to say. Thank you for coming and saying something.-- SA 01:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the first person who should be given a 2nd/15th chance is izumi, i admit to not knowing a lot about it but when s/he came here asking for another chance it was shot down. Why such a different attitude to this user? x o x o 09:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Izumi had a long history of vandalism before any ban, and just got worse and worse and the first reaction wasn't to apologise, but to threaten further vandalism unless she was let back in on her terms. This one did a few silly things, once -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:25 16 November 2009 (BST)

But if doing a few silly things once is a reason to allow someone back in, why not get rid of the 3 edits rule? It seems to be anyone permaed under that rule has only ever done "a few silly things, once" - i say make it policy that people who do a few silly things once get maybe a month ban rather than perma and give it a grandfather clause or something. This style of letting people back in randomly doesn't rest well with me... x o x o 09:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Go write policy then -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:32 16 November 2009 (BST)

Coz i don't think people who were perma-ed should be let back in. However if they are, i certainly don't think a haphazard request for random opinions on a barely used talk page is the way to go about getting it done. x o x o 09:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

People with A/VB watchlisted will see this... hardly a "barely used talk page", as evidenced by the quick responses here already. It was one of the first pages you found, eh -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:48 16 November 2009 (BST)

Why not just get rid of you? I think that would solve far more problems than the 3 edit rule. Cyberbob Talk 09:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I can just imagine you patting yourself on the back for coming up with that one, good work! I wish you weren't quite so predictable though, seeing you in my watchlist is just 0 fun anymore... x o x o 09:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

everym ove i make... knownin advance...??????// Cyberbob Talk 09:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, shock of shocks, as predicted I'm against this. Yet no-one seems to have worked out why yet. For starters I like my language, it's a beautiful thing. Perma is a shortening of permanent, which means that the ban is not subject to change. Perma certainly does not mean permanent until someone is nice over MSN. Then there's the point that perma bans came in through policy, approved by this community, going blatantly against the will of the community is wrong. Finally, have you worked out what this is? It's favouritism. That's right this is only here because this person was nice to SA, if they'd gone on MSN and said "Oi, fucko, go get my perma undone you prick!" we wouldn't be seeing this before us, this user is only here because SA favours them due to their conduct. Perma bands should not become avoidable just because sysops like you.

There are only two acceptable ways forward from here, uphold the perma or seek the approval of the community through a new policy. There are several options in how to structure a new policy, I will assist if you require the help. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Iscariot? You know how you make fun of me for my lack of signature, shitty grammar, and all around being a dumb colonial? Well guess what? YOU SPELLED BANS WRONG LOLOLOLOL

But seriously, it wasn't about them being nice to me, it was their conduct while we talked about the ban. If I was playing favorites, I'd go and try to unban zoomi instead of someone who was at first just a one-off vandal to me.-- SA 16:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Are you telling me you would have let the conversation continue if their first words had been "Oi fucko"? It's a chance being given to one user that other users might not get. The ban system doesn't serve to punish, it serves to protect this wiki and the community, it's proven that this user vandalised, now you want me to take the word of this vandal that they won't do it again? "Ah, ok Dr, Lecter, if you say you won't kill and eat anyone else we'll let you go....". If we are going to be overturning permas we need a way that all banned users can do so fairly and without bias, Izumi is the obvious example here. --

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. <== DDR Approved Editor 16:59, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

It's not to punish, it's not to protect. It's to reform people who have committed acts of vandalism. The power to ban is for protection. The ban system is to reform those who have fucked up.
Hannibal Lecter is a different story, and fictional at that. We do not have someone killing anyone here, your comparison has no power.
Izumi had her chance. I called for a vote on it, this being her last chance to get in. It failed. She had her permaban reversal chance. I wish it had gone through, but it didn't. The community at the time didn't really care to let her come back either.
I would have let the conversation go on if they started off with "Oi fucko!" because some people start their conversations like that, whether they're assholes or not. I myself start off with an "Oi prick!" frequently.
We already have a way for perma's to be undone. If enough of the community show's that they would like the ban over turned, it will be done. The problem is getting the community to actually chime in on these things.
If it comes down to it, Hitei can be re-banned if we find that she lied in less than two seconds.

In short, you have no real reason to go against this other than not trusting the user. It doesn't have to do with policy, that's covered. It doesn't have to do with bias, that's also covered. There is no favoritism, that's covered. And finally, if the community decides they will let her back, it's not going against the community. So that's covered.-- SA 17:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no need for new policies

Also, it is expected that a system operator be prepared to reverse a warning/ban should the community desire it. —UDWiki:Administration/Guidelines

SA is asking for community input. I, as part of the community, am OK with removing the perma as long as all warnings the user received be kept (with the perma being listed as a 24h ban). Its a lot better to have this user editing the wiki with his former account than having him create another. And if he had plans to continue vandalizing the wiki, he could have just created another account. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

not if I blocked account creation and ip blocked :trollface: -- SA 16:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

like IP ban ever prevented users from switching IP and creating new accounts --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I know. :c -- SA 16:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The vandal banning system is not supposed to be a means of punishment, rather it is meant to be a means of guidance and instruction on what the community find acceptable. The over-all aim (I always thought) was to reform folk before they get to a Permaban.... in this case SA even admits (sorta) that he was heavy handed on the third edit as vandalism thing to stop what seemed like the start of a career vandal. If this user is genuine in their desire to come back and be productive then I would think its reasonable to allow them too. As Hagnat has already said, they could always have started a new account anyway and probably not have been caught! I would say start them off with 3 warnings to work off though as just 2 is a bit easy for anyone who is actually active. --Honestmistake 16:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I like two because if they mess something up again while learning or something and another 'op decides to be heavy handed again, then bam 48 hour ban. I don't like the thought of that.-- SA 16:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Precedent. Unban him. If he messes about we can easily sort it out and reinstate the ban. Our dear friend Karek put it best during the failed misconduct case that this idiot brought because he got his nose out of joint:

Karek said:

I don't know why more would need to be said but, this could easily be classed as overruling another sysop and misconduct would only come in with the lack of showing their decision on A/VB. The point remains though, the wiki doesn't exist to ban users and nothing is gained from losing members of the community because they weren't given the benefit of the doubt. No harm, no foul, drop it.

I miss Karek. =( He was always good with those wordy thingys. -- C h e e s e 22:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright then, on that note case closed.-- SA 22:40, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Unban HiteiKan vote

There is little more to be discussed here. If the user were to vandalize the wiki he could have done so with another account. The guidelines already allow a ban to be reverted should the community desire it, so i am starting a simple vote here. Lets not drag this unnecessarily, so a simple 3 days vote, with a minimum of 10 votes, more than half of them in favor unbans the account. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

lulz, who put you in charge >.> --

Thadeous Oakley

17:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

since when is someone in charge here ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 17:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I am going to take this in the spirit I think Haggie meant it... ie a call for a simple show of community opinion. Sure it has no weight and can be ignored by the sysops if they so wish but if you don't voice an opinion you have no right to take issue with it being ignored. --Honestmistake 00:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

unban - with 2 warnings being listed in his a/vd entry --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Unban - with 3 warnings to reflect the seriousness of the previous "offence" Basically i say treat it like there was at least 1 constructive edit in the chain! --Honestmistake 00:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the unban/warning has already happened Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no vote to be had here. Normal users get precisely zero fucking votes regarding bans, and like promotions this isn't a vote Hagnat, or no goon would ever get an escalation no matter what they did. This is Hagnat again trying to exercise authority where he has none, much like when he tried to 'warn' me against reverting his vandalism. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

This vote is invalid hag's. Sowwy. If you want to make a neat and organized section for community input that lasts more than 3 days, be my guest.-- SA 17:36, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Rosslessness

Verdict	vandalism
Action taken	lulz

For this edit here; the last person to actually abstain on one of Winman's god-awful trenchcoat rants was a confirmed alt. Also, they both have the letter "n" in their name. COINCIDENCE?

Where do I got to create a humorous A/VB case? Also, I'm pretty sure I spelled his name wrong. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 04:08, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

You could just add it here I guess. And the spelling is correct. Remember, always double S. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 09:28, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Just like Mississippi! —Aich on— 12:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism, 48 hour ban!-- SA 23:11, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Misconduct - Demote the cunt. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

wrong page n00b-- SA 01:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not allowed to write my opinions on Talk:A/VB any more? ohes noes; alert imthatguy and the other idiot! Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

there are far too many idiots on this wiki for "the other idiot" to single out any one of them in particular :\ Cyberbob Talk 02:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

So true. --

Thadeous Oakley

10:38, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

The only other idiot that's into the whole dumb "wiki revolution" facade. I wish I could type that word correctly... Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

WanYao? Cyberbob Talk 03:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Please; if all the crats' disappeared, who would he have to complain about? I mean the dude who runs around with the bolded down with the crats in his signature like a freaking wiki-trenchcoater or something. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 04:03, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I said wrong page because on A/VB and it's talk, we use Vandalism, or Not Vandalism. Dummy. >:/ -- SA 11:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

So now I'm only allowed to use certain words on certain pages? Am I not allowed to mention vandalism on A/M either? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Nope, you also can't use the abbreviations anymore either. Or the letter I -- SA 02:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

O thonk that's redoculous. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Your sig still has all the i's in it.-- SA 13:38, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

And you abbreviated that is to that's.--Yonnua Koponen^{Talk ! Contribs} 13:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

He didn't use an i though so it's okay.-- SA 13:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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