Category talk:Historical Events

Obtaining Historical Status

A policy is in place which outlines the method to attain historical status.

Events must have been declared over. The event must have affected either multiple suburbs or how the game was played for a group, such as triggering a change. A nomination should be made on Category_talk:Historical Events. An announcement should be made on Wiki News, and {{HistoricalEventVoting}} should be put on the event's wiki page. Within two weeks of a nomination, the Event must be approved by 2/3 of the voters, with a minimum of 15 voters (or 10 YES votes) for a nomination to pass. The only allowable votes are Yes and No Events that pass will be added to the category as described below. Events must allow a week to pass between nominations.

Nominations for Historical Status

The Imperium Must Die/Invasion of Gibsonton

Many moons ago (around April 2008 according to the Earth calender) a brave man named Canderous Ordo was watching the Recent Changes page because he wanted to ruin somebody's day. To his surprise his day was ruined. Canderous saw the Imperium claiming St Matthew's Cathedral and was angered by this fact. Then, just as any other sane man would do, he went to the local forum and asked everyone to kill the Imperium. Then in record numbers group after group, man after man, chick after chick, and something after something, joined DORIS in their fight against the Imperium. The battle lasted one full month and ended (around May 2008) in a Clear PKer Victory. In the battle the Coalition, nickname for PKers involved, killed over 200 while there suffered only roughly 75 casualties. In the process the Gibsonton Nationals disbanded (not directly from the battle but aided in it) and so did the Imperium. The event became more important after it ended because several members of the Dulston Alliance and the something Airborne wanted to suppress the truth. In the end the Coalition won the case, and everyone ate chocolate cake. So vote now. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:18, 28 September 2008 (BST)

1. Yes --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:18, 28 September 2008 (BST)
2. Yes - This was an absolute dramafest and deserves to be remembered. -- Cheese 20:21, 28 September 2008 (BST)
3. No - Lulzy, yes. Historical, no. --Scorpios 20:21, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   I would recommend looking up what historical means according to this wiki. The event must have affected either multiple suburbs or how the game was played for a group, such as triggering a change. As you can see, IMD fits that description. It took place in all of the NE and affected a lot of groups, disbanding two of them. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)

4. Yes - DEM pancake FTW LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 20:23, 28 September 2008 (BST)
5. Yes - KIRRU~ --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 20:27, 28 September 2008 (BST)
6. yes - lulzy, dramafest, historical... OMFG ITS TEH WHOLE PACKAGE!--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 20:55, 28 September 2008 (BST)
7. No - Insignificant. Irrelevant. Petty. Affected a small group of players in a small part of the map (primarily Gibsontown and Dullstown. ZOMG there was PKing in Treweeke? Big deal). It merely happens to involve some folk who are very good at shouting above the crowds (read: spamming and trolling). --WanYao 21:16, 28 September 2008 (BST)
8. No to the Impirium must Die, Yes to Invasion of Gibsonton. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 21:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)
9. No - it might have been a yes, but the page linked to is covered in offensive homophobic language, rather than a description of an in-game event. Additionally, it does not describe the final result of all actions, as given in the linked-to arbitration ruling. A wiki is supposed to provide accurate information, not homophobic rantings and one-sided glimpses of in-game events. We should not be promoting other users of this wiki to be subject to the hate-filled baying of a small minority. --Funt Solo ^QT 21:30, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   The battle page (linked under "battle") describes it in a NPOV way. The event's page was supposed to be POV. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 21:40, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   I see that a new page (Invasion of Gibsonton) has now been linked to in the main heading, and if that had been the only link all along, I expect I wouldn't have dug deeper in the first place, and this would have been a simple Yes vote. However, I still find the troll-page linked to (The Imperium Must Die) needlessly offensive and provocative, and in digging deeper, it would seem that this entire event was one designed to harass and grief a group of players to the extent that they would suffer such ignominy as to leave the game entirely. That's not the sort of thing I would wish to promote with a Yes vote. It is possible to have someone as an opponent, and to defeat them, without all the hate, which (after all) can only serve to remove players from Urban Dead. Surely that's not what any of us want? (Note: I am aware of the difference between players and characters, and even taking into account role-play, my opinion is still as given. I will not promote uber-trolls, or their in-game antics.) --Funt Solo ^QT 22:08, 28 September 2008 (BST)

10. Hell No The Imperium itself wasn't acknowledged historical, so the event what "destroyed" it shouldn't be it either. Its either both, or both not.--MisterGame 22:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    Before World War I began no one considered Serbia important. But after Franz Ferdinand was killed they were all of a sudden part of this huge historical mess we call The Great War. Now, according to your logic (which makes absolutely no sense) WWI is not important because Serbia was not important. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 22:33, 28 September 2008 (BST)

11. Yes to the Invasion of Gibsonton, but not to The Imperium Must Die -- the event itself qualifies, the coalition prolly doesn't. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 22:41, 28 September 2008 (BST)
12. No - Insignificant. Seems to be a war on an individual, with some random other peoples thrown in. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:47, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    There was like 5 groups on each side fighting. Did you bother reading it? or tl;dr? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 23:17, 28 September 2008 (BST)

13. Yes - If only the argument that sprung from them could be deemed historical.... --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 23:22, 28 September 2008 (BST)
14. Yes - Why? Because if this can be called historical, Ye Olde Uprising can eventually be called historical. Booyah. *eats cake*--Jen 00:18, 29 September 2008 (BST)
15. Yes - If only because the Invasion of Gibsonton page was added. TBH, I think the IMD page should be a subpage of the Invasion of Gibsonton page, but that's a lot of work I'm sure no one wants to do. Evillic 00:36, 29 September 2008 (BST)
16. Yes - We still keep seeing tons of drama thanks to these shenanigans. --William Told 01:51, 29 September 2008 (BST)

User:RadioSurvivor

What can I say about Uncle Zeddie and Radio Survivor, really? And, how else can you classify Radio Survivor -- except as a year-long event that took place in- and out-of-game, and affected countless players and groups throughout Malton. --WanYao 08:27, 28 September 2008 (BST)

1. Yes - Just the game-wide man-hunt alone affected "multiple sururbs" and "how the game was played" for numerous groups and players. Basically, if you missed Uncle Zeddie, you probably weren't playing Urban Dead for the last year. --WanYao 08:16, 28 September 2008 (BST)
2. No - No clue wtf this is.--Jorm 08:32, 28 September 2008 (BST)
3. Yes - it was big on brainstock.--Kristi of the Dead 08:45, 28 September 2008 (BST)
4. Absofuckin'-lutely --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 09:13, 28 September 2008 (BST)
5. Yes - i saw some of his video podcasts, i think. funny guy. --~~~~ [talk] 09:43, 28 September 2008 (BST)
6. Yes - Wan, that is a ridiculous piece of overstating and i partially disagree with this being classed as an 'event' but i gotta say - he deserves the history books. --xoxo 09:47, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   You're right: Radio Survivor wasn't an event in the "traditional" UD/wiki sense. It did, however, unite many different groups and players in a very unique -- and very real -- way. And it had an in-game impact. For a start: there was the man-hunt; there was the short-lived "Radio Survivor Street Team", who PKed many innocents in an attempt to suss out Zeddie's identity; there was the impact Zeddie's broadcasts and in-game presence had on in-game activities and "traditional" events. Perhaps the fact that it was year-long series of smaller "not-quite-events" throws you? Perhaps it was, most accurately, a "media event". Perhaps... But, taken together... taken together, what I said in the nomination was probably an understatement, if anything. --WanYao 10:56, 28 September 2008 (BST)

7. FUCK YES - And I want to be very clear on this: The word "fuck" is absolutely necessary for me to adequately express how much I feel this deserves historical status. Everyone knows Uncle Zeddie. If you don't know about Radio Survivor, then you probably don't know about the Dead either. --William Told 09:49, 28 September 2008 (BST)
8. Yes - As above.--Drawde ^{Talk To Me! DORIS Red Rum Defend Ridleybonk! I know Nothing!} 11:12, 28 September 2008 (BST)
9. Yes - It didn't affect me or the way that I play, but it was something different and something that I'll remember, so it passes the test for me. --Papa Moloch 12:03, 28 September 2008 (BST)
10. No - It wasnt an event. Its a players blog. Thus it doesnt meet the requirements for an event and i am removing it. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 12:10, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    Note:The Nomination was removed at this point but has been restored to voting. -- Cheese 20:10, 28 September 2008 (BST)

11. Yes - Restored to voting. It may not have been an "event" as such, but it definitely created an impact on the game and as a result should be remembered accordingly. Grim =/= UDWiki. Get a grip. -- Cheese 19:37, 28 September 2008 (BST)
12. Fo' Sho' --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 19:40, 28 September 2008 (BST)
13. Yes --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 20:02, 28 September 2008 (BST)
14. No Sorry, never heard off.--MisterGame 20:38, 28 September 2008 (BST)
15. No Second Grimch's movement--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 20:44, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    Damn, I was hoping you'd left the wiki. Ah well. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 20:46, 28 September 2008 (BST)

16. No - not unless someone can explain why a serial spammer that I've thankfully never heard of before is a historical event. Hysterical (not in a funny way) maybe, but not historical. --Funt Solo ^QT 20:58, 28 September 2008 (BST)
17. Yes although Im not sure I like the precedent being set. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 21:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)
18. No - I enjoyed RadioSurvivor just as much as the next player, but all it was was a guy broadcasting on the radio. It didn't affect multiple suburbs and it didn't have an effect on any groups. Also as Conndraka. --JaredV 22:24, 28 September 2008 (BST)
19. Yes - because anything Funt's never heard of but is still capable of describing in such specific terms must have had a mighty effect on the game. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 22:43, 28 September 2008 (BST)
20. No - Barely heard of it. Looks cool, but I don't see how this affected multiple sururbs or how the game was played for numerous groups and players. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:52, 28 September 2008 (BST)
21. YES The Dead tore apart suburb after suburb to find the only man that had a standing KOS order. If we hadn't have heard a rumor that he was in Penny Hts. Lumbar Mall would have been too insignificant for us to hit. (not really, but we were actively looking for him)-- #99 ^DCC 00:40, 29 September 2008 (BST)
22. Yes - Uncle Zeddie is legend. --Pdeq^Talk* 00:43, 29 September 2008 (BST)

Malton Block Party

The first annual Malton Block Party has officially ended. I believe it is historical in a few ways. A very small number of people managed to repair up enough buildings for survivor attendees in the very heart of the city, Stanbury Village. When it actually began many survivors, PKers, and zombies made the trek from across the city to attend. Tuesday saw a group of perhaps a dozen humans staying outside in Whetcombe Park until roughly Thursday, with a brief speech from myself on Wednesday. Aside from the barfight in The Corfield Arms on Thursday and the free-for-all deathmatch in the Kersley Mansion on Saturday, there were very few deaths over the course of the week, with most present observing the no-kill policy.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 00:10, 28 September 2008 (BST)

1. Yes - See above.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 00:10, 28 September 2008 (BST)
2. Yes - A righteous blast. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 00:36, 28 September 2008 (BST)
3. No - It just freaking happened. Hell, why didn't you put this up before you even did the event? --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 00:59, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   Because then it wouldn't have given you an ulcer and you would have felt like a pussy for not having one.--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 01:38, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   The Block Party failed at being notable and giving me an ulcer. The lack of the USC vs. UAB football game on tv is giving me one. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 01:40, 28 September 2008 (BST)

4. No - What the hell was this, and how is it notable again?--Jorm 01:42, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   Hmm...we found out that one could pour beer and wine into generators, damaging them? I don't know if this wonderful bit of text flavor and game effect had ever been officially noted yet... --Jen 01:51, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   Is that true, Jen? If it is, I'm voting yes just on the basis of that discovery alone. What an awesome way of GKing... --Target Practice 02:02, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   Aww...darn. I was wrong. Looks like it actually has been noted before. *sigh* Shucks, I thought we had something good going there. :( --Jen 02:04, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   Wait...unless the 17th was during the block party...hmm. Now I'm curious. --Jen 02:05, 28 September 2008 (BST)

5. No - What jorm said. -- Grogh 02:06, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   I'm sorry, but did either of you notice the paragraph below the heading "Malton Block Party", where I explained both what it was and why it was notable?--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 02:11, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   Yes, it was noticed and read. Still a NO vote because it was so minor as to not deserve historical status. -- Grogh 02:34, 28 September 2008 (BST)

6. No - . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:14, 28 September 2008 (BST)
7. No - Most of the other historical events involve hundreds, if not thousands of players. Whilst twelve humans lasting two days outside unscathed is impressive, I'm not so sure it's historical. Kudos on noticing the beer vs generator thing, though. --Target Practice 02:17, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   The event itself involved hundreds of people -- well over a hundred anyway. :D Just because only a dozen or so had the guts to camp outside for 24+ hours, don't think for a second that there wasn't a hell of a lot more to the party than that. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 02:33, 28 September 2008 (BST)

   The most I ever saw in the Arms was 50-something... --Jen 02:37, 28 September 2008 (BST)

8. Yes - Because I'm bribing Labine. ;) Though the beer vs. generator thing has almost sold me. --Jen 02:30, 28 September 2008 (BST)
9. No - Never heard of it. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 02:37, 28 September 2008 (BST)
10. No - The fact that you had to describe what it was and why it was historical is proof enough that it shouldn't be inducted.--Nallan (Talk) 02:39, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    You realise that in order to make a submission within the rules of the page, you have to describe the event, right?--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 06:11, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    Actually I didn't - could you point out to me where it says that because I can't see it. If it does, I apologise, but stand by my vote. Seems that an event's name alone should ring a bell for most UD players for it to be historical. This just didn't for me.--Nallan (Talk) 07:46, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    It's in the hidden text when you add a new nomination. It tells you to add a "Reason for nomination"--Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 08:04, 28 September 2008 (BST)

11. No - As jorm and target practice. --WanYao 05:07, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    addendum - a Brainstock daisy-jerk circle-train does not historical make... sorry. --WanYao 07:58, 28 September 2008 (BST)

12. Yes - I attended the party and it was a great event in having PKers,Survivors,Bounty Hunters and Zombies all getting along together. It had some fun events, including the bar fight.--Josh Clark 05:13, 28 September 2008 (BST)
13. No - You're joking, right? --ZsL 05:32, 28 September 2008 (BST)
14. 'Yes - Awesome event with survivors, PKers, BHers and even a few random zombies coexisting peacefully (for awhile at least). You don't normally see that every day.--Dr. Allison Wolf ^{MEMS Talk PIF} 06:23, 28 September 2008 (BST)
15. Yes - Great fun. Some of you are kinda jaded aren't ya?--Kristi of the Dead 06:25, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    Something being "fun" isn't a valid reason for it to be listed as historic, to be put on the same list as sieges with upwards of 1000 combatants and game-changing events.--Nallan (Talk) 07:36, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    Ah, right, because Yahoomas was a game-changing event. Or because this is a game, after all, and therefore the concept of "fun" just doesn't apply. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 08:23, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    Don't even start to compare this with Yahoomas. Yahoomas was the introduction of a legion of new players to UD and was the result of the biggest media feature UD has received to date. The screenshots speak for themselves. And no, this isn't a game - this is a wiki for a game. So you're right, the concept of fun doesn't apply in this case. If Biertag and Extravaganza aren't on the list, then this is certainly not historic.--Nallan (Talk) 14:00, 28 September 2008 (BST)

16. No - Yeah, so there were 10 people in a pub for a couple days, and we sprayed some graffiti, and called it a party... so can I get it declared historical? Please? Yes, maybe you had fun, but that doesn't make it historical. --JaredV 08:02, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    You ought to know there was more than 10 people. I mean the CK was there and all. I suspect you guys have 10 members don't ya? So there'd have to way more than 10 people in the pub and what not.--Kristi of the Dead 08:49, 28 September 2008 (BST)

    Actually, most of us weren't in the pub at one time... and the second half of my comment stands. I think it's great that you had fun, but that doesn't make it historical. --JaredV 22:20, 28 September 2008 (BST)

17. No, sorry --~~~~ [talk] 09:40, 28 September 2008 (BST)
18. Yes - Getting to slap other DEM members including KristiOTD with a newspaper now who wouldn't.--Forgotten86 ^MCDU:T 10:00, 28 September 2008 (BST)
19. No - As Jared. I heard of it, but it isn't historical.--Drawde ^{Talk To Me! DORIS Red Rum Defend Ridleybonk! I know Nothing!} 11:14, 28 September 2008 (BST)
20. No - Historic events have to stand the test of time. This finished yesterday. The people involved may have enjoyed it, but a lot of people enjoy McDonald's and that doesn't make it truly great and memorable food. Take a look at the current list of historical events and tell me how exactly this matches up. --Papa Moloch 12:02, 28 September 2008 (BST)
21. No -, as said above, just happened, not historic, and from what i heard not allot of people showed up.--Bullgod 13:30, 28 September 2008 (BST)
22. No Ive been in Wales for 2 weeks. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 14:30, 28 September 2008 (BST)
23. No - hay guise plz to be maekan our spermfest historical? --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 19:47, 28 September 2008 (BST)
24. No - apart from my not having heard of it, at all, and it not seeming to have any huge impact on the game, it seems a bit daft to grant historical status to what is in effect a bit of a piss-take. I mean, role-playing being stuck in a zombie-infested city has what to do with a zombie/survivor love in, exactly? Mad, oh-so-zany, but not historical. --Funt Solo ^QT 21:02, 28 September 2008 (BST)
25. No - As Papa. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:53, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Archives

• Archive 1:

• Battle of Blackmore
• First Siege of Caiger Mall
• Malton Iditarod
• Second Siege of Caiger Mall
• Third Siege of Caiger Mall
• Battle of the Bear Pit
• The Siege of Giddings Mall
• Yahoomas day
• The Battle of Santlerville
• Valentine's Day Massacre
• Mall Tour '07

• Archive 2

Secondary list of chronological order?

Any votes against the creation of a timeline below the alphabetically ordered list of historical events? I'd list the events along with the dates they ran. I just think it'd provide for a more reasonable reading of this page, and world lore. Jeffool 10:55, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

On a Category page nothing can go below the alphabetical list, however, if anyone is interested in making something like this it could be useful, although I think one might already exist somewhere. And I found it Timeline--Karek^maps?! 13:03, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Although it looks like that needs much reworking.--Karek^maps?! 13:04, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Complaints about the archival of the Radio Survivor nomination

I have given you this location to bitch about its removal, as i know you all will, however its a clear violation of this policy. Please discuss it here before you decide to bitch and whine and take me to misconduct. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 12:17, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Do as you will, but be specific plz. Which bullet points aren't satisfied, etc, etc?--xoxo 12:38, 28 September 2008 (BST)

The policy specifies that events be in game events. Radio Survivor was an in character personal blog on another site. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 13:22, 28 September 2008 (BST)

combined with an IN GAME pk hunting contest that was very popular--Kristi of the Dead 13:26, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Then fucking change the nomination to Historic Group for fuck's sake. If anyone deserves some recognition he does. And Radio survivor has a wiki page. -- #99 ^DCC 13:33, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Also, can you prove that he never made a radio broadcast "in game"? Just because he had "extra content" on his personal blog doesn't mean he didn't do anything in game.-- #99 ^DCC 13:36, 28 September 2008 (BST)

And... it wasn't a group, DCC... that's the thing. Unless a group of one counts? It was an event, very clearly. In any event (groan), it doesn't matter... Because as much as he'd like to see it take place here, the real discussion that matters is to take place in the Misconduct case. I've said enough, too much, here already. Cheers! --WanYao 17:50, 28 September 2008 (BST)

You are a fucking asswipe, Grim. No. Holds. Fucking. Barred. Resign. Now. --WanYao 17:05, 28 September 2008 (BST) I used to support you. No longer. Resign. Now. Because you are wrong. Period. --WanYao 17:06, 28 September 2008 (BST)

It took place in-game. As as well as out of game, yeah -- just as every other Historical event that involved metagaming did. Sure, it revolved around one charcter. So? That doesn't change the fact that it also happened in-game, and involved many people. There were in-game man hunts. There were radio-broadcasts by him all the time. He was present for, like, lots of stuff in-game. The fact one character inspired all this is even more argument for it to be historical.....

No, Grim. You made the wrong fucking call. Hard-fucking-core. Not only procedurally, but also by going TOTALLY against the valid (and correctly informed) wishes of the community. Do the right thing and resign, of your own volition. ASAP. --WanYao 17:17, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Well... I think I've "talked" enough. Misconduct case again User:Grim_s filed. Grim, you can still avoid this -- by resigning voluntarily. --WanYao 17:43, 28 September 2008 (BST)

I've restored this to voting. If the community wishes to vote on it, who are we as sysops to stop them? If it was for something so incredibly ridiculous that it could be justified as deliberately spamming up the page, (such as the day you found a pair of socks) then I could understand. But this has merit as it could be interpreted as an historical event. Therefore I'm overruling Grim and returning it to voting. -- Cheese 19:48, 28 September 2008 (BST)

This thread is pretty :awesome: --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 19:49, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Complaints about the restoration of the Radio Survivor nomination

I've given you this location to bitch about its restoration, as I know Grim will, however I believe I've justified myself and that my actions are for the benefit of the community. Please discuss it here before you decide to bitch and whine and take me to misconduct. -- Cheese 19:48, 28 September 2008 (BST)

Bitch! Whine! Moan!

But, seriously... Thank you, Cheese. I've explained in the nomination and voting itself -- as well as in various "Talmudic commentaries" on that text ;P -- why I felt this was an event, justifying the nomination. My initial, and frankly I have to say pretty justified, anger at Grim for removing the nomination notwithstanding, I hope that we can all comport ourselves in a dignified and at least semi-professional manner in this matter. Uh, that's all, I guess, cheers. --WanYao 19:56, 28 September 2008 (BST)

March of the dead

There's no arguing this didn't affect most of malton. And the find rate for syringes had to be raised to stop it so it sure changed the way we play the game.

and while I'm here - We decline.-- #99 ^DCC 13:35, 28 September 2008 (BST)