UDWiki:Administration/Sysop Archives/Conndraka/2009-08-25 Re-Evaluation

25 August 2009

Well I figure we might as well get this out of the way as well since the General and I have about a month between us. Admittedly I'm not as active as I'd like to be but I do have the occasional burst of activity. I have specific views on numerous subjects that don't always fit in with "the majority opinion" but I do try and represent the views that would otherwise go unnoticed. Additionally I know drama has had a tendency to stick to me...(oh wait..that's not drama, that's ....) but that is because of my tendency to not back down when I know something is wrong. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 17:20, 25 August 2009 (BST)

• Against. Strongly. Note, I don't have anything against you personally but your inactivity cannot do. I see nothing from you that needs specific sysops status.--Thadeous Oakley 17:24, 25 August 2009 (BST)

  Thad, would you rather have a sporadically active fair-minded person or an overly active unfair one?-- BULLDOGC6 23:11, 29 August 2009 (BST)

  Considering Conn is the worst of both of those, it shouldn't matter. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:51, 30 August 2009 (BST)

  And you aren't? Come on, Goon. -- BULLDOGC6 16:07, 30 August 2009 (BST)

  DDR is not a goon. As far as I know the only goon sysops are Nubis and myself. Cyberbob  Talk  16:14, 30 August 2009 (BST)

  Waat? 2 goon Pysops!? BIAS!!! UNFAIR!! --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:56, 30 August 2009 (BST)

• Abstain From what I've seen, you're a very good sysop, but your only edit for ten days before this was to pull yourself out of the running for crat. As such, I won't give a full vouch.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:08, 25 August 2009 (BST)

  Ha. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 05:14, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  Ha?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 16:59, 30 August 2009 (BST)

• Question - You seem to spend a lot of time Covering Cyberbob's Butt. Would you like to rebuff this claim?--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 22:21, 25 August 2009 (BST)

  You're unreal. Cyberbob  Talk  23:38, 25 August 2009 (BST)

  Obsess much?--– Nubis ^NWO 13:16, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  My god... --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:29, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  Well occasionally, Bob forgets to put on pants, and when that happens...Seriously Bob is onother opinionated person who although might not express himself well, often has valid points buried in the...fog. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 19:26, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  Thanks Conn, I will give this criticism the thought it so well-deserves - just because it's you. Cyberbob  Talk  14:30, 27 August 2009 (BST)

• Abstain. - As Yonnua. --Haliman - Talk 22:41, 25 August 2009 (BST)
• Abstain Cyberbob  Talk  23:38, 25 August 2009 (BST)
• Question same one I asked the General really.... roughly how many of your recent edits have required sysop powers? --Honestmistake 00:25, 26 August 2009 (BST)
• Against - drama doesn't just happen to stick conn. --xoxo 01:24, 26 August 2009 (BST)
• Strongly Against - imnsho Conndraka is the worst sysop of the crew by a mile. No one else even comes close. (Yes, that says a lot, when you take into my history with certain other sysops. But at least those sysops contribute to the wiki...) When Conn isn't simply inactive and contributing pretty much nothing to the community (which is most of the time), he's biased, self-serving and a drama-monger who plays fast and loose with the letter and especially the spirit of policy. In no way a user to be "specially trusted".... --WanYao 02:55, 26 August 2009 (BST)
• Strongly Against - Conndraka is everything wrong with a user, lest a sysop. He doesn't venture in any part of the wiki besides drama nests (check his contributions) and his decisions in said drama nests are nothing less than utter shit. Mention this to him, or any other sort of criticism, and Conndraka will demonstrate his trademark excuse of "IRL has me busy because I'm making a life for myself", which is absolutely fine, but isn't an excuse on a wiki dedicated to a video game. Something like this instance demonstrates exactly what I mean, and it's been going for so long it isn't even funny. Otherwise as Wan. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 05:14, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  Yes, please link to the goons' year old opinion of the DHPD as a valid critique of his performance. They are clearly the most unbiased source on the wiki in that regard.--– Nubis ^NWO 13:14, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  There was more of a focus on the idiotic and typical response that Conndraka had to the whole affair. And I could have delved into the archives and found several links that demonstrated my examples about my problems with Conn, but at this point I don't think it necessary. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:28, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  Conndraka displayed such a complete lack of objectivity when dealing with the DHPD/Dead conflict.... That's something that can't -- and shouldn't -- be easily forgotten or dismissed by those who were there and who remember. And since then, imnsho he's displayed the same kind of behavior pretty consistently, just on a smaller scale and in a more piecemeal manner. --WanYao 23:37, 27 August 2009 (BST)

  Everyone took sides in that battle. There was not a single sysop that didn't hate the goons or threaten them. If he had been completely objective towards the one group of insane trolls that came here to destroy everything I would have been pissed as a normal user. You want the people responsible for taking care of the place to CARE about the place. That's what makes them active. If someone came into your house and started trashing things would you be objective to them since they are guests? --– Nubis ^NWO 23:26, 28 August 2009 (BST)

• Against - Inactivity. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 05:37, 26 August 2009 (BST)
• Against - Above covered most of it.--SirArgo ^Talk 05:46, 26 August 2009 (BST)
  • Abstain - Don't give a flying fuck. This system is about as useful as I thought it would be.--SirArgo ^Talk 18:50, 26 August 2009 (BST)
• Against as giles --DOWN WITH THE 'CRATS!!! | Join Nod!!! 06:19, 26 August 2009 (BST)
• Vouch - I've probably had the most antagonistic relationship with Conn out of all the sysops. However, I respect his opinion. He offers experience that not a lot of users on here has. He makes decisions and from what I recall he stands by his convictions. While he may not contribute as much as others would like to the "grunt work" of the wiki he will step in to a heated situation. I'd rather have a sysop that gets involved with A/M and A/VB over Protections and Moves because those pages are the ones that need strong opinions. You can't have a sysop that wants to leave "everything to a community vote" like we've had in the past. He offers a nice "Devil's Advocate" side to the discussion. Besides, if the Admin team was "perfect" who would be the "bad guys" that everyone would rally against? I think Conn's sysop status should only be "questioned" when he fails to meet the required edit amounts and not because people don't like him. --– Nubis ^NWO 13:14, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  a) It's not about doing "grunt work", it's about doing any work. b) He doesn't participate in A/M and A/VB because it's his responsibility, he "steps into heated situations" because he simply enjoys having a say which holds some power. c) It isn't that he is a good guy, or a bad guy, or a devil's advocate, or 'imperfect', it's that he's a goddamn idiot. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:28, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  Regarding c): that's just like, your opinion, man. Cyberbob  Talk  13:49, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  Fair enough, dude. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:58, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  All of these are just opinions. That's the problem with this system.--– Nubis ^NWO 18:03, 26 August 2009 (BST)

  "Besides, if the Admin team was "perfect" who would be the "bad guys" that everyone would rally against?" - Rest assured with Conn gone it still won't be perfect. Oh, and your hilarious sarcasm totally undermines the somewhat valid statements you'd made. You do realise you're worse than you think wan is? --xoxo 04:23, 27 August 2009 (BST)

  I clearly thought wan was bad *rollseyes*... Which is why I flamed the piss out of people that opposed him on my nomination of him for sysop. Yes, all part of my brilliant plan. And if it wasn't for his attitude on his recent policy I wouldn't have any problems with him. (outside of that discussion I still don't)--– Nubis ^NWO 14:27, 27 August 2009 (BST)

  How was my attitude on my recent policy different from what you describe of Conn: "He makes decisions and from what I recall he stands by his convictions." I mean, since my name is being tossed around so much here... I think it's a valid question. --WanYao 23:31, 27 August 2009 (BST)

  It is. Your policy was a reactionary drama bomb that wouldn't solve anything and you refused to even consider changing anything based on input. Conn can compromise and see other people's sides of issues and tries to find a balance that works. I'm not saying he's perfect. That's far from the case here. I'm saying AGAIN that his position shouldn't be on the line because people don't like him. Bottom line. --– Nubis ^NWO 23:26, 28 August 2009 (BST)

  I remember no instance that ever being the case. Evidence of Conn being able to change his first opinion at all, please. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 23:43, 28 August 2009 (BST)

  There you go twisting the facts. People wanted to amend my policy to turn it into something effectively contrary to its intent. And I was supposed to just accept that, say, "Ok.. I'll support something that completely neuters my original intent"? To expect me to accept that -- especially in the face of the outright hostility and petty personal attack the policy generated -- is totally unreasonable. Not the other way around. And, my policy actually did serve a purpose, it did solve something: it helped to open the door for the discussion and eventual passing of this the very policy by means of which we're having this sysop review at this very moment. Maybe you don't like these reviews at all, but, like it or lump it my "reactionary drama bomb" had something to do with us being here right now, having the conversation.And back to Conn... I've actually rarely seen him compromise. Rather, I have often seen him take unreasonable positions based solely on group/clique affiliations, and stick by them through thick and thin, no matter what anyone else says. The whole DHPD thing is the perfect example. He didn't even TRY to be objective... nor was he acting in the interests of the wiki... just in the interests of his old DHPD buddies. Even Marty Banks, when he went a little frothing at the mouth from being harassed so viciously, he was more objective and reasonable than Conndraka. --WanYao 00:43, 29 August 2009 (BST)

  Evedence of changing an opinion...hmmmm. I used to support Wan for Sysop. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 05:54, 29 August 2009 (BST)

  Dhur Hur hur...--Thadeous Oakley 14:04, 30 August 2009 (BST)

  small evidence/example of objectivity: i have always supported nubis's sysopship. in spite of everything that's gone down, that has been said, i have no reason to change that position. on the other hand, i have never been a supporter of conndraka's sysop status and have been given no reason to change that position. --WanYao 14:24, 30 August 2009 (BST)

• Vouch What nubis said --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 15:00, 26 August 2009 (BST)
• Against Long bouts of inactivity. --User:Axe27/Sig 16:50, 26 August 2009 (BST)
• Vouch - If there weren't drama on the UD Wiki, I dont think Conndraka would be involved at all, but there's plenty of that to go around, and I actually see him around on the administration pages, to participate rather than doing his required minimum to bump his date for demotion for inactivity.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 17:18, 26 August 2009 (BST)
• Vouch - one of the few sysops with the balls to help take down Grim, when he was bullying the rest of the wiki into submission. Yes, that was drama, but it was drama that needed the sysops to get involved, and many of them were conspicuous by their absence, or by having their bottoms glued to the fence. --Funt Solo ^QT 18:44, 26 August 2009 (BST)
• Vouch - as per Nubis and Funt --Sanpedro 02:42, 27 August 2009 (BST)
• Abstain - I don't really feel like I know enough about Conn to make a decision about his eligibility, but for some reason feel like posting a call (or lack of one) here. Maybe it's to set an example for inexperienced users, or perhaps I just like voting? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:51, 27 August 2009 (BST)
• Against - As DDR. There's nothing I can add that he's not already said. -- Cheese 22:53, 27 August 2009 (BST)
• Against for supporting bob in his anti boob campaign. for shame.----Sexualharrison 05:58, 28 August 2009 (BST)

  look at how lazy you are Cyberbob  Talk  06:07, 28 August 2009 (BST)

  no shit sherlock----Sexualharrison 04:25, 31 August 2009 (BST)

• He is the lowest common demoderator. From the Desk Sergent fiasco and Ken irons, to the complete The Dead redirect mess, he has shown a consistent lack of common sense when dealing with conflicts of interest, especially when using his sysop abilities -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 01:37 29 August 2009 (BST)
• Vouch - if only to leave some sort of voice of the DHPD on the wiki.-- BULLDOGC6 03:59, 29 August 2009 (BST)

  This isn't a discussion about removing him from the wiki, and it's not appropriate to put users into a sysop position to give any group a "voice". On the contrary, they should be picked based on their ability to put aside their group allegiances when dealing with admin decisions -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:37 30 August 2009 (BST)

• Vouch - Conndraka is a good person, sure he has made some mistakes (Includeing me recently getting kicked out of DHPD mind you) But all disisions he makes are what he beleves is for the good of everyone else (and 90% of the time that is true) --Ltpotter 17:26, 29 August 2009 (BST)

  Conndraka didn't kick you out of the department. If anything, I did. I caught you zerging via screenshot evidence and i caught you revealing DHPD plans to other groups. -- BULLDOGC6 23:05, 29 August 2009 (BST)

• 'Against - As above. --Papa Moloch 23:30, 29 August 2009 (BST)
• Abstain - Ehhh. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:56, 30 August 2009 (BST)
• Abstain - Who? --MTRemick ^{T | C | Fey | NBC} 21:32, 30 August 2009 (BST)
• Meh - Against, above n stuff--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 20:33, 31 August 2009 (BST)
• Against Im like so sorry..But if your going to be a sysop for the community you Must be active. What good is having the sysop status if your not active? I respect your opinions..But we cant have inactive sysops :( --Suff-TMS- <-- Killin' zombies! 22:26, 31 August 2009 (BST)
• Against I'm not sorry. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 03:33, 1 September 2009 (BST)

The discussion for this re-evaluation bid is now over. All we need now is some crat input. -- Cheese 18:35, 2 September 2009 (BST)

A quick peek learns us Conn is likely to be first one to get demoted. Questionable honor.--Thadeous Oakley 18:56, 2 September 2009 (BST)

Questionable Honor? What does that have to do with this? If X=Pointless and Y=Statement, then XY is X. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}19:12, 3 September 2009 (BST)

It has to do with scoring a cheap shot. Cyberbob  Talk  04:19, 4 September 2009 (BST)

After a brief discussion with Linkthewindow, we are in agreement that Conn doesn't have the support of the community any longer, and I have just demoted him -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 03:49 5 September 2009 (BST)

Yay...lets hear it for popularity contests. 1st off id like to thank...what? oh...right. I appreciate the message on my talk page notifying me of my demotion it was informative and...ohhhhh right. there wasnt one. And SA and Link who were the Crats when my reeval started (and thus who should have been the ones to make the "final descision... oh right... Boxy...never-mind. Conflict of interest much? ahh well. enjoy ladies and gentlemen. This policy's creators just achieved their goal. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 14:01, 5 September 2009 (BST)

Look on the bright side: at leased you'll have plenty of time to get that degree. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:10, 5 September 2009 (BST)

Looks a lot like he already GOT his degree in Advanced Butthurt--CyberRead240 14:15, 5 September 2009 (BST)

lulz...no the Masters will be done in May. After that I'll be teaching Part time at the University and part time at the High School.Conndraka^{TAZM CFT} 14:17, 5 September 2009 (BST)

Try not to be so bitter. You had this coming for a long while now. And you know full well SA isn't around. Wouldn't have made a difference anyway.--Thadeous Oakley 14:20, 5 September 2009 (BST)

Why not just accept the result gracefully and move on, Conn? Basically, your response to the demotion was a confirming example of exactly why and how you lost the confidence of the community.

Anyhooo... Good luck with your studies and future career, Conn. Now... on to other stuff... --WanYao 15:31, 5 September 2009 (BST)