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:::Your News update from the 6th. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:33, 15 October 2010 (BST)
:::Your News update from the 6th. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:33, 15 October 2010 (BST)
::::Oh, that wasn't my update. Someone else posted it. I just responded. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:10, 15 October 2010 (BST)
::::Oh, that wasn't my update. Someone else posted it. I just responded. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:10, 15 October 2010 (BST)
== mac ==
What IRC client do you use on mac? Also, what's the story behind the text gradient code you have as your header on this page that can only be seen on safari? It's incredible. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 13:51, 16 October 2010 (BST)
:Colloquy is my preferred IRC client (I use it with the Synapse theme that it comes with). It's free and works great.
:As for the gradient, basically, both Firefox and the WebKit browsers (Safari and Chrome) support "alpha masks", which you can kinda think of as images that you can put on top of/overlay on other images or text which make different parts of the lower image transparent to different extents. For a different analogy, they're more like those slides/transparencies that you'd use with the old fashioned overhead projectors, but rather than being completely clear, you can put any image on them that you want, and when you lay it over another slide/transparency, it would block out parts of the lower image. Anyway, in addition to that, WebKit supports the ability to create gradients programmatically, which can then be used as an alpha mask. So, that's what I did. It should work in both Safari and Chrome, I believe. Firefox will eventually get the ability to do it, I'm sure. And maybe in 10-15 years IE users (assuming it's even still around) might be able to enjoy it too. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 17:08, 16 October 2010 (BST)
::Oh man, that's fantastic, didn't realise it worked on Chrome too. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 07:56, 18 October 2010 (BST)
:::If something works on Safari, 999 times out of 1000, it works on Chrome too, since Google used Apple's open source WebKit rendering engine as the basis for Chrome. I've run into a few things that work differently, especially since Chrome auto-updates with newer versions of WebKit whereas Safari users have to wait for Apple to push out updates, but they are almost always identical in terms of how they show things. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 09:12, 18 October 2010 (BST)
::::Sweet. Is it only text specific, or can I apply it to styles as a whole? For example, say, my current signature, could I make the background gradiented and leave the text normal? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 10:53, 18 October 2010 (BST)
:::::You can use it for whatever. If you wanted to use the gradient as an input to a <code>background-color</code>, I see no reason why it wouldn't work. You could bypass the entire alpha mask too, if you just want a gradient. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 15:35, 18 October 2010 (BST)
==Yagoton Groups template==
I don't actually care about the [[Sanitarium]] being in the historical groups or not. However, all they ever did in Yagoton is that ridiculous cinema tour, back in '07. I don't deny the historical facts at all... However, they have never really been located in Yagoton nor did they been at all active in this suburb since this time (if we can call that active...). If you think they don't deserve to be placed in the historical groups then I don't really know where to place them. I have already deleted their name in the active group on the main [[Yagoton]] page before transfering them to the template. If they get removed everywhere, they'll simply get forgotten.
Not really a problem for me, mind you... But I thought it would be best that I mention it. --{{User:Eagle of fire/signature}} 05:30, 18 October 2010 (BST)
:Oh, I don't have a problem with them being outright removed. In fact, that's generally the preferred way of handling groups that didn't make a profound impact on the suburb. So, yeah, if you don't think they should be listed with Yagoton (and based on what you described, I think you're right in saying they shouldn't be), then feel free to remove them completely. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 05:35, 18 October 2010 (BST)
::Erm... Seriously? If I were to do that, I would probably erase at least half the groups. :P
::I don't think it would be a wise idea. Even though the vast majority of those groups didn't have much of a profound impact, they are still part of the history of this suburb. We simply happen to have a lot of it around... --{{User:Eagle of fire/signature}} 06:32, 18 October 2010 (BST)
:::As long as we're talking about historical groups, ehhh, it's your call, since it's a suburb you know far better than I, but if it were my call, I probably would go ahead and erase about half of them.
:::If you look around at most of the other suburbs, you won't see many or any historical groups, and that's because the bar is pretty high to be considered historical (a lot of people actually seem to support the idea that a group should be listed in [[:Category:Historical Groups]] before they can be listed in that section of the suburb listing, but that is by no means an actual rule). Yagoton definitely has a more storied history than most suburbs, as you pointed out, which I think was the reason they already had more suburb-level historical groups than probably any other suburb in the game (5, prior to your edit).
:::Even so, the usual protocol is to just delete groups that go inactive unless they made a big impact on the suburb, as I said, and if you look at other significant suburbs, such as [[Darvall Heights]], [[Ridleybank]], or [[Pitneybank]], you won't see nearly that many historical groups listed there (3, 0, and 4, respectively). That may be an indication that the bar is set too low in Yagoton now (12 groups after your edit). Plus, adding so many of them dilutes the impact of having the other ones that are definitely historical listed (e.g. Amish Liberation Front, Ghetto Cow, and Gingerbread Men, all of which attained city-wide recognition).
:::Rather than take my word or have to make a tough choice yourself, however, I might suggest that you instead merely post a list of the groups that went inactive on the talk page for the suburb and try to garner some consensus on which of them should be considered historical, using the ones that were already listed as the bar against which the new ones would be measured.
:::If we're talking about Sanitarium, however, since they are possibly still active elsewhere, they should not go in historical (that section is only for inactive groups), but if they are not in Yagoton currently, then they should not be in Hostile either. This sort of thing is pretty common on the wiki, and the proper course of action is to simply remove them. I'll probably do it tomorrow if you don't beat me to it, honestly. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 09:42, 18 October 2010 (BST)
::::If you ask me, I'd be way more prompt to remove Ghetto Cow and Gingerbread Men from the list than I would do the Sanitarium. I played all my character life in Yagoton and I never even knew they existed before they appeared on the list...
::::That's why I am reluctant to do hasty changes. They might have been present in Yagoton but I never met them. Or they might simply have been added because they did a very minor visit in the past... It is not really easy to know.
::::As for the Sanitarium: while I know that group is still active elsewhere, they definitely had an impact in the suburb a long time ago and then left. That they are still an active group or not was not really of concern to me when I added them there: I added them there because they were an historical group of '''Yagoton''' itself. The Wiki terminology is always confusing and easily wrongly interpreted. It is no wonder that there is constant edits over edits. --{{User:Eagle of fire/signature}} 16:14, 18 October 2010 (BST)
:::::Well, I could easily see re-adding them once they go inactive (or if they return, of course), but the purpose of the list is to either highlight active groups or inactive ones that made an impact. Since they fit into neither at the moment, they should be removed. I know the language is confusing, but that is what's meant by it. And, again, I'd suggest taking it to your suburb's talk page, since they'd be better judges of which to keep and dump than I would be. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:08, 18 October 2010 (BST)
== Don't I need.... ==
A reevaluation 8 months after my last promotion? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 20:28, 18 October 2010 (BST)
:Nope, not unless you get demoted. Bureaucrats aren't subject to re-evaluation unless they get demoted since their election counts as a show of community support. So, for you guys, we show the next time that your seat is up for election on that template. The only "evaluations" you have to worry about are the usual 3 month cycles or a 12 month mandatory election if for some reason you didn't go up in the meantime. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:51, 18 October 2010 (BST)
::Goddamn it. Why can't I just be evaluated! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 10:28, 19 October 2010 (BST)
:::You know you can voluntarily start one yourself, right? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 15:48, 19 October 2010 (BST)
::::But that just looks like I need my e-peen stroking. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 16:10, 19 October 2010 (BST)
:::::Don't you? {{Tiny|Meet me out back with a crisp twenty...}} {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 16:17, 19 October 2010 (BST)
::::::Thats a terrible price. Throw in an aircraft carrier and its a deal. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 18:34, 19 October 2010 (BST)
:::::::I hear you're running low on those. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 19:23, 19 October 2010 (BST)
== Sears is using zombie speak ==
I'm not sure if you all are aware of this, but sears has a zombie theme on their site that is using zombie speak straight out of Urban Dead:
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/dap_10153_12605_DAP_Zombian?adCell=W2&i_cntr=1287783933121
Seems to me that Urban Dead should get an attribution.
Are you guys aware of this? What are your thoughts? {{unsigned|Herman}}
:That's pretty awesome. And yeah, most of that is pulled straight from [[Zamgrh]], from what I could see. The only exception I saw is that they used "e" in some of the words, which isn't part of Death Rattle. As for attribution...that's up to Kevan to pursue, but I don't see who they would attribute it to, exactly, since Kevan made the game, but the players invented those words over the years. Still though, asking them to credit it and link here would be cool. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:13, 23 October 2010 (BST)
::It gets better. Check out http://twitter.com/zombieshopper some of those lines are just great. --{{User:Vapor/sig}} 00:25, 23 October 2010 (BST)
:::Yeah, I was just thinking they could give a little love. Even just a link at the bottom of the page with a small thanks would be nice. I think it's pretty cool either way, and someone has an awesome job :) {{Unsigned|Herman}}
::::Hi,
::::I really like the zambah theme!
::::It would be great If you could credit the players of Urban Dead and the incredible Zamgrh language they developed (http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Zamgrh).
::::The reason I suggest this is because the Sears.com zombie theme seems to be using Zamgrh, and a small attribution with a link to urbandead.com (or to the Zamgrh wiki page I linked above) would be very appreciated by the Urban Dead community.
::::Thank you for taking the time to consider this request.
::::Respectfully yours,
::::Herman Burger
:::::You should have mentioned that it would be [[Yahoomas]] all over again, and that 10k people would shop there forever. --{{User:TripleU/Sig}} 07:50, 23 October 2010 (BST)
::::::From: Heather Hoyt <hhoyt@opinionlab.com>
::::::To: Herman Burger
::::::I will be out of the office  Friday, October 22nd with limited access to email. I will be returning Monday, October 25th.
::::::-Heather
==Hello!==
You amused me <3 {{User:Dudemeister/sig}} 02:39, 24 October 2010 (BST)
:Sweet. Always glad to hear of satisfied folks.
:What'd I do anyway? >_> {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:51, 24 October 2010 (BST)
::Oh, wait, that was you in-game? Didn't realize you were SYP. Yeah...I was expecting you to be one of my group members, since they had said they were standing there, and instead I found you. I know I hate it when folks scan me and run without saying anything, and you had an awesome line in your profile, as I recall, so I felt that a response was necessitated. I'm glad you enjoyed it. :) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 04:54, 24 October 2010 (BST)
==Color scheme recommendations for wiki page ==
Hey Aichon,
Since you seem pretty savvy with magical wiki things that magically look amazing, do you have any recommendations for [[Template:MHSMain|changing the color scheme of this?]] I've never really liked it but the few schemes I've played with a little look...I don't know...equally as dumb. We've used this one like forever and a change of pace might be a good thing. -[[User:MHSstaff|MHSstaff]] 22:54, 25 October 2010 (BST)
:Well...I'm not exactly a very artsy type of person. I'm just patient with my designs and keep tweaking until I get them where I want them. In truth, I'm really bad at coming up with stuff.
:Anyway, looking at it, what that needs is a new layout scheme more than a color scheme, I'd say, if you want it to look more like a publication. Newspapers and magazines have very distinct page layouts that make them instantly recognizable as such. Things like the use of a multi-column layout, a smaller serif font (such as Times), a bold and eye-catching header at the top, and more use of the horizontal space would go a long way. Either that, or maybe design it more like a magazine, with 3-5 pages per issue that's released, that way you don't have a super long page.
:If I were to redo it (which I briefly considered doing, before realizing that I had a lot of random thoughts and ideas and that it'd take me several hours to try out and tweak, whereas more creative person could get right on their first try), I'd probably ditch the side navigation bar and would move everything to the top, would widen the main article space out more, would try to incorporate a multi-column design for reading the articles (if feasible, which it should be with CSS3), would put a bold/high-contrast dark border around the whole thing since the majority of the interior should be white for easy reading, and would choose a stronger design for the header at the top (rely more on the RRF shade of red, perhaps, and replace it with an image of some sort, though I'd strongly advise having it be a light background with dark text, rather than the other way around, in order to preserve the appearance of a publication better).
:Not sure how useful any of this is, but there it is anyway. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 00:44, 26 October 2010 (BST)
::[[Image:MHSlayout.png|450px|center]]
::Tried this in Paint (I, uh... draw out all my pages before I code them), just went for a ye olde newspaper shade of tan, though in retrospect, I'd probably go with {{C|#F9F9FA|_'''#FCFAF9'''_|#000000}} for the background. It's very slightly off-white so it gives a papery look, especially when the browser surrounds it with white to highlight the difference (see [[Samhain Slaughter 4|here]] for the visuals). The brown used there could just as easily be black. I'd also tuck a link to RRF in the "RRF's Premier Rag" bit. Also of note, I have a severe loathing for the Lorem Ipsum. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:05, 26 October 2010 (BST)
:::Dumping the sidebar is a wonderful idea, as is the off-white. I'll try single column and multi-column and see what sticks. Thank you both. -[[User:MHSstaff|MHSstaff]] 04:34, 27 October 2010 (BST)
::::yeah, good call, the sidebar is a pretty dated setup and doesn't set a newspaper. Good luck! -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 07:55, 27 October 2010 (BST)
So I think I might try [[User:MHSstaff/Projects/TestingGrounds|something like this.]] Removing the side bar and going a little off-white were both really good ideas. Any suggestions as far as the archive page? If I wanted to try a double column, are there any examples on the wiki I can look at first? -[[User:MHSstaff|MHSstaff]] 03:15, 28 October 2010 (BST)
:A double column is relatively easy. You're essentially looking at a table with two tall cells. Just make your first column in a table the way you want it, then duplicate the sizing and style of it again within the table. So you'd be looking at this:
{| style="width:200px; height:300px; padding:0px;" align=center CELLPADDING=0 CELLSPACING=0
|-
| style="width:100px; border:solid 1px #000000;" align=center | One<br/>One<br/>One<br/>One<br/>One<br/>One<br/>One
| style="width:100px; border:solid 1px #000000;" align=center | Two<br/>Two<br/>Two<br/>Two<br/>Two<br/>Two<br/>Two
|-
|}
:Just copy the raw code for that and fiddle with it as you see fit, by adding the background and fixing width, etc. You can also specify borders on all sides of the cells except the inside (<nowiki>"border-top:solid 1px #000000", etc</nowiki>) so as to give it that columns-in-a-newspaper look. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 03:26, 28 October 2010 (BST)
::See, that's the hard way to do it. The easier way would be to use CSS3, which allows you to do true columns (i.e. you don't have to split the text yourself in order to get it to go between columns; instead, it'll handle itself), but there are no examples on the wiki as far as I know of the CSS3 approach, nor would it work in IE in all likelihood (it'd appear as one column in IE, I think). Mis' approach works just fine. :) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 17:42, 28 October 2010 (BST)
:::Also, I might suggest using a grayer color for the off-white, since the current one looks a bit too pink for a newspaper. Maybe something like #F9F9FA instead of #F9F9FA, since that would make it more gray with a slight blue tint, which is more in keeping with most newspapers I see. If you're going for a magazine look instead, then the background should actually be stark white, but then surrounding the entire page you would want to use a background that was some other color so that you'd get some nice contrast (I'd go with an off-white there, so that it wouldn't be too distracting)). Kinda like what I did with the green for the [[SoC]] page, except you'd have white instead of gray for the interior and probably something not quite as strong for where I used the green. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 17:54, 28 October 2010 (BST)
Dumb question time. Right now, I have a main page that uses a template to load articles based on the template input:
<nowiki>{{MHSMain2|Articleleft=Text1010left|Articleright=Text1010right}} </nowiki>
is an example. So if I wanted to do an archival page, I would have an archival main page with the correct text inputs to my template. Is it possible to have just one page, that based on the link referencing it, would send in the right information to template to load when clicking on the nav link? So rather than having a million archival main pages, I just have one with a lot of links, and each link loads the right information when you click on it. Are such things possible? Or do I really have to have a million archival main pages? -[[User:MHSstaff|MHSstaff]] 22:03, 28 October 2010 (BST)
:I think you're going to have to explain that one to me a bit slower, sorry. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:21, 28 October 2010 (BST)
::Yeah, I'm having trouble tracking too. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:26, 28 October 2010 (BST)
:::Sorry. Let me explain better. One way I can do this is to have a main page for each issue I want, in which the content for let's say Issue1 is
:::<nowiki>{{MHSMain2|Articleleft=Issue1left|Articleright=Issue1right}} </nowiki>
:::and the content for Issue 2 is
:::<nowiki>{{MHSMain2|Articleleft=Issue2left|Articleright=Issue2right}} </nowiki>
:::Each issue would share the same layout, but would have different articles based on the variables. If I have 30 issues, I would need 30 separate main pages. My question is rather than have 30 separate pages, could I have just two pages:
:::*in which the first page is a list of links (one link per Issue) that link to a second page and also send in the information for the Articleleft and Articleright variables to that second page
:::*and the second page takes those variables, uses the  <nowiki>{{MHSMain2|Articleleft=Issue2left|Articleright=Issue2right}} </nowiki> code, and then displays the right content based on which link a person clicked? -[[User:MHSstaff|MHSstaff]] 22:31, 28 October 2010 (BST)
::::I'm not too sure it's possible the way you're looking it. I think the archives are going to have to be separate pages, sorry. Though this is usually where Aichon makes me look silly so don't get disappointed just yet. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:34, 28 October 2010 (BST)
:::::Nope, you're right. Separate content needs separate pages on the wiki. There's currently no way to use the same page(s) to show different content depending on what link is clicked. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 22:39, 28 October 2010 (BST)
::::::Figured I'd ask before trying. Thanks to both of you for all your help though. -[[User:MHSstaff|MHSstaff]] 22:43, 28 October 2010 (BST)
== This is why someone else should do stuff. Talking of which.... ==
Ta --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:02, 26 October 2010 (BST)
:Ta? Anyway, simple mistake with a simple fix. Not a big deal either way. Also, what's this about an IP ban issue I saw? I was about to look into what you guys were talking about, but if you can direct me, it'd save a few minutes. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:08, 26 October 2010 (BST)
::The user who created todays Holocaust denial fun was using a proxy IP, loads of evidence, but after I blocked it they still seemed to be able to edit. 4 minutes afterwards. Seems to have resolved itself. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:10, 26 October 2010 (BST)
:::Okay, sounds good then. If it comes up again, I'll look into it. Betting it's something simple but non-obvious if it is a recurring problem. Anyway, thanks again for being good about covering the routine junk that none of us like doing. :) {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:15, 26 October 2010 (BST)
::::Shout at DDR, he's the crat around here. {{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 21:23, 26 October 2010 (BST)
:::::Abuh? I'm so confused. Not sure how we made the jump to me shouting at someone and 'crats coming into it. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:31, 26 October 2010 (BST)
::::::Speaking of the above, was the IP issue actually resolved? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/l}} 07:56, 27 October 2010 (BST)
:::::::I'm not sure. I never looked into it. Ross seemed to indicate it was handled. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 08:23, 27 October 2010 (BST)
== oops ==
Too many wikis, sorry dude. Want to chime in on VB about the fate of his new page? --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 19:23, 27 October 2010 (BST)
:No prob. I didn't realize I had undone your work until after I was done redoing it. XD {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 19:28, 27 October 2010 (BST)

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