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{{Philosophe Knights Talk Archive}}
{{Philosophe Knights Talk Archive}}


==An open hand (without a knife behind my back, I promise)==
Hello once again Knights, I have progressed quite quickly since my silly threats I made below. I come asking for some assitance in my assault on the [[Burchell Arms]], the [[BAR|group]] that owns the place is weak right now, their high level members inactive or scattered elsewhere. Even their wiki page is inactive, even though they are clearly active in the area. Their  incompetence is annoying, and its time for them to die. Now, I don't expect your assitance will arrive, but it would be appreciated. And you probably want to kill me a few times for my absurd threats from before, so I'll give you all that chance as well. If you refuse, well I have a back up plan given to me by an accomplice of mine, its less effective, but most back up plans are. Well, that is all for now, enjoy the slaying of the ignorant. Sincerly, [[User:Pathetic Bill X|Pathetic Bill X]] Febuary 22, 2010


==A lesson learned from epic failure==
== An inquiry as to the Knight's stance regarding The Escape ==
Greetings Knights, I have finally lurched my way to your suburb, only to find that it is overrun by the undead. I'm going to assume that this is due to either, A)A well thought out, diabolically clever plan to confuse your enemies into thinking you've been slaughtered. Or B)You got slaughtered. I guess that, judging by the current situation, my work was done for me. Or, more likely, you're all just off "educating" people elsewhere. In the mean time, I'll slap some zombies around for you, try to tidy the place up a bit while earning XP.[[User:Pathetic Bill X|Pathetic Bill X]] January 25, 2010
:Ah, well, it would seem that I was wrong, again. You are not located in Yagoton at all, I believe that this requires a facepalm. Well, I will soon figure out where you are, in the meantime, I'll just, uhm...slap some zombies around I guess, not much else to do.[[User:Pathetic Bill X|Pathetic Bill X]] January 25, 2010
::Success! We fooled you into thinking we lived in Yagoton, in an elaborate scheme to make you connect your palm to your face after you foolishly thought we'd been either slaughtered or had fooled you into thinking we'd been slaughtered. Now, feel the crushing humiliation of defeat as this mighty blow we have dealt you forces you to look silly on our talk page!
::Are you still trying to kill us, by the way? --{{User:DT/Signature}} 21:08, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::No, no, no, after seeing your "Kill List" I think we should be on good terms, since we share similar interests. Perhaps once I'm revived we can share this fine bottle of amontillado I found. Until then, I will pass the time with some zombie slapping. [[User:Pathetic Bill X|Pathetic Bill X]] January 27, 2010


==A Challange of Monumental Proportions==
I have been observing the unfolding events and mass migration initiated by the new group [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Escape The Escape]; my curiosity was piqued as to how an elite, influential group as the Philisophes would adjucate such actions, if at all.  I suppose thier myopic plan will come to a head and they will have to initiate the Plan B/Lemming Offensive and wipe themselves out, rescinding action from any external groups.  Just a pondering. All the best to the true Knights of Malton. {{User:MikhailKalashnikov/Signature}} 06:52, 23 May 2010 (BST)
Greetings Knights. This is Pathetic Bill X Daring you to stop me. Thats right, I believe you and many other groups promote too much life in this game. The BAR with their drinking, the various PD groups with their preserverance and YOU, with your so called "knowledge", I shall work my way to your suburb, ruining every last School, Library, and Museum. I challange you to oppose me!
:I am not personally involved in operations in that area, but I believe, to put it simply, we've been shooting them. {{User:VI/S}} 19:22, 25 May 2010 (BST)
[[User:Pathetic Bill X]] January 11, 2010
: Us Pkers should be working toghether not attacking each other. --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 20:09, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
:: And why is that, Michaleson? Why should we allow you, so many of whom are as ignorant as any mall rat, to be spared the fire of knowledge? Tell me what is so special about you and yours whose only distinction is a human-centric use of arms.


::And by the by, Bill, our suburb and every other around it for miles is a monumental ruin, so either you're particularly good at planned laziness, or you'll have quite a time to wait. {{User:VI/S}} 20:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
==Recruitment==
Concerning your group advert on the [[:Category:Recruitment]] page, you may be interested to know that a vote is currently underway concerning the duration of time adverts can be reserved by a given timestamp. Your input is welcomed, and it should be known that if this vote passes you will need to update your adverts on a at least a monthly basis, not a two-monthly basis. Thanks. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 00:46, 25 July 2010 (BST)
:Between you, myself, and some of the others with the Knights, I'm sure we have the situation well in hand. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 01:01, 25 July 2010 (BST)


:::Chall<font size=4>e</font>nge. Attend one of those schools before you ruin it, William, and remember the importance of knowing one's enemy. Whilst gleaned from resources such as those you threaten, knowledge does not solely repose in the written word. Ruin our libraries, or musea, our schools - and then you will still need to kill us all, one by one. Will you succeed? {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:33, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
==Special Invitation==
{{RIAC Invitation}}


::::Quite a conundrum one would say, to [[Honor Among Thieves Policy | {{C|BLACK|choose a path}}]] but not follow the way. The Knighthood is old, it's legions vast; your one man army has not a chance. A crusade against ignorance is what we preach, through book or through gun a discretion to each.
-{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 01:06, 3 August 2010 (BST)
::::You follow in the foot steps of legend, Mr. X. Many of the Knights you are threatening knew the man of whom you impersonate. But beware, for Bill was not one of those who believed imitation is flattering. [[User:Vanitas Mori|Vanitas Mori]] 20:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
:...a...chain letter? {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 03:10, 3 August 2010 (BST)
::Uh,... not really. You know why? Because if you don't post it at least five times, absolutly nothing will happen. It's only a chain letter if something bad will happen if you don't post it. -{{User:Poodle of doom/sig 2}} 03:17, 3 August 2010 (BST)


:::::Now that's funny.  I was assuming that you followed the policies whose templates you put on your page.  No honor here, is there?  [[User:RinKou|RinKou]] 00:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
== Dr Dempsky ==


::::::Humph, Well Knights, perhaps I was wrong to be enraged so quickly by your beliefs. Upon further examination of your wiki, I found that your message of knowledge accomlishes the erradication of survivors and their groups quite well. I will leave you be, and I forgot the HAT policy as well, as Vanitas stated above. I would like to take back any and all offenses made to indiviual Knights and the group as a whole, perhaps I will heed your advice and seek enlightment at a place of learning for awhile. As for my choosen alias of Pathetic Bill X, I simply wanted to make a character related to ingame history, in the hopes it could cause a sense of unease among groups that remember Pathetic Bill. Also, I noticed that Misanthropy appears to be in your numbers, I would tip my hat to you, but at the moment my hat has been eaten. If you find me in game, most likely as an undead due to my recent bad fortune, feel free to "educate" me as much as needed for my ignorance. Good day Knights, may you slay the ignorant, including myself for the time being, in colossal numbers today. Humbly,[[User:Pathetic Bill X|Pathetic Bill X]]. 13 January 2010
Just curious, is [http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1692220 this chap] one of yours? He claims to be. It's quite possible he is, I just wanted to cross-reference, since I, frankly, don't want to get any of your chaps in trouble (since I think you're pretty damn neat, even if it should not be mutual). -[[User:Pinkgothic|pinkgothic]] 22:19, 7 September 2010 (BST)
:::::::Sadly, LoD had it's own experience with this faux '''Pathetic'''  Bill recently. Prior knowledge of him could have avoided said situation. Although, he ''has'' been humiliated thoroughly, if that is any consolation. It was delightful to serve him his comeuppance. I enjoyed his pain, it made me all goose bumpy. "Praise ''Prior'' Knowledge as well" (And Mimes) :P --{{User:Psychotic Pantomime/sig}} 02:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:He is, though he is still learning our ways as a student. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 22:31, 7 September 2010 (BST)
::Thanks for the swift response - I'll tell people to paws-off, then.
::Just for context: I figure my profile invites for you guys to snipe me (I've historically plastered myself with claims of ignorance; but that's simply because I figure there's always room to learn, and since I'm a very casual player, this is unfortunately rare), so I'm not surprised it happened. A bit jarred it would be done while Yagoton is still struggling to rebuild itself and we can use people to up the 'cades, but I suppose in a zombie apocalypse, there's never really a good time.
::Either way, happy hunting.
::-[[User:Pinkgothic|pinkgothic]] 22:43, 7 September 2010 (BST)


==GREAT EASTSIDE RP CLEANUP==
Hello pinkgothic,
Hello Knights. This is Dimmswick from the [[Big Prick]]. We're organizing a '''[[GREAT EASTSIDE RP CLEANUP]]''' and would love to have at least some of you aboard. As lovers of wisdom and higher thought, I must suspect that you favor a state of life to that of unlife, which is uniquely non-conducive for contemplation and intellectual cultivation. Eastern Malton is in terrible shape, and we could use all the help we could get. We hope to see you coming along with us when the event kicks off in mid-January.


- [[User:DevOhm|Dimmswick]] 06:32, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
I've set up a wiki page, so should now be identifiable. Your 5 HP were, um, tempting, in terms of low hanging fruit, and in any event, I only had one shotgun round left. Good luck with Yagoton. I'd like to see the libraries restored there. Let's aim for "room to learn" all around. <small>—The preceding [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dempsky|Dempsky]] ([[User talk:Dempsky|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dempsky|contribs]]) at an <span class="stealthexternallink">[{{fullurl:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|action=history}} unknown time]</span>.</small>
:5 is a holy number. Your deed was blessed by the Goddess. Hail Discordia! {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:04, 9 September 2010 (BST)


==An issue with The Abandoned==
== A Query ==
Greetings seekers of knowledge, I come to you with an issue that I hope you can rectify. We at The Abandoned have noticed you in the area and as per our past agreement we have not engaged your members. In fact, I had just told one of our newer members to not harm you when the next day I see a new post from him, he had been killed by [[User:Andrew_Tsai|AG]] I have a screenshot if needed. He killed the lad for DNA extracting but not reviving him. I don't think it occurred that our boy may not have had any syringes, but that's beside the point. The point is I don't think we should revert to hostility when mistakes like this can be avoided. I have asked that there be no retaliation for now, but I would like to see something on your end be it an apology from AG or something, but it's difficult to keep our people from attacking when there are incidents. The big thing is that we keep things peaceful, so I'm reminding you that while you are in Yagoton, you don't step around us and undue the peace we work so hard to maintain and more so that the members of our group who are doing the work aren't killed. Thank you, that is all.


Alright, I just witnessed another kill by Andrew Tsai. I can't have this, as of now he is on our list, if you feel that he is out of line and wish to leave his actions separate from your group that's fine, but he is now deemed KOS. There is really nothing I can do about it, that's two transgressions in a short time, not to mention I have not yet received a response. I have much to do, so I must leave you now. --[[User:Rohndogg1|Rohndogg1]] 23:41, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
As a scholar, I find it imperative to know your stance towards Delta Kilo One Three. If you have no objections, I offer this agreement: if you pledge to take no action within our protected area, we pledge to not seek you out. Our numbers are as vast as our group is historic, and it is to your advantage to work with us.
:I speak for the Philosophe Nits when I say, "your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries" <s>I am not actually a member of the PK</s> --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 00:49, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, you're an idiot. Please keep your ignorance to yourself, it's not needed here.--[[User:Rohndogg1|Rohndogg1]] 15:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::: Your wanton aggression wounds me. Please take this game less seriously :( --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 22:51, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
:::: I fart in you general direction Karloth. --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 23:08, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
::::: This aggression will not stand, man! --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 00:37, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::: A plaque on both of your horses. I demand the Philosophe Knights answer for such rude treatment of guests on their talk page. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 01:19, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::First of all it's plague not plaque, second of all, I have a genuine issue requiring discussion and you're foolishness doesn't help. --[[User:Rohndogg1|Rohndogg1]] 18:53, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Dude, are you for realz? If not, I am amused. If so, I am supercalifragilisticexpialidociously amused. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 19:02, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Without a plaque, how is one supposed to hold on during a particularly rowdy gallop? --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:04, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::: It is the wiki. If its that much of a problem go to the fourm. And don't make me finish you off Katloth >.> --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 19:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::My account still hasn't been activated there, otherwise I'd have posted it there. Anyway I've stopped caring already, but harassing Karloth is mildly entertaining so I'm keeping with it. Not that it really matters anyway. --[[User:Rohndogg1|Rohndogg1]] 04:54, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::Mildly? Shit dawg, down a bottle of vodka and it'll be the best thing you've ever done in your life.--[[¯\(°_o)/¯|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> ¯\(°_o)/</span>]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">¯</span>]] 10:33, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::: I have genuine foolishness requiring discussion and your issue doesn't help. :( --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 13:20, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::::[http://www.tacticaltrunkmonkey.com/ olo] --[[¯\(°_o)/¯|<span style="color: DarkMagenta"> ¯\(°_o)/</span>]][[User_talk:Suicidalangel|<span style="color: DarkTurquoise">¯</span>]] 02:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
First, Karl, Engel, Paddy: Get off this talk page and please do not return until you want to complain about the Knights killing your group members en masse. If you do this while the Knights are ''not'' killing your group members en masse, then I'll have a Sysop tell you in more official tones to stay off. Yes, even you, SA. Thank you, goodbye, and Praise Knowledge. <br>
Second Rhohndogg: Could you explain the nature of the Agreement that The Abandoned have with the Philosophe Knights? I've looked, and while I have found references to some sort of cease-fire agreement during the Zerg Gank Auto event in Shearbank, I have not actually found the discussion of said Ceasefire. The Knights are not terribly anxious for bad blood between the Abandoned and the Philosophe Knights, and would perhaps be open to further cooperation with the Abandoned. If you wish to talk about this on our forums, please tell me the name of your account there, so I can activate it, and give it the proper access. Thank you, and Praise Knowledge. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 20:56, 20 December 2009 (UTC)
:Wow, I haven't checked this in a while. I believe I used the name Rohndogg1 on your forum. I tend to try to keep things uniform for the sake of clarity. Opening communication would be great. --[[User:Rohndogg1|Rohndogg1]] 04:24, 11 March 2010 (UTC)


==  Text Rape and Zerging ==
In short: for as long as you do not attack anybody in our territory, we will grant you asylum.


We know you do both. Lady HK (former or current PK, we don't care) is a convicted text rapist. We have IP proof that there are zergs within your subgroups "Sword of Damocles" and "Lord Burton's Gentleman's Club". Don't expect us to report, we are above whining to trumped up, made up authorities. Just thought you would want to know. There is the slim possibility that your leadership, if the head of such a self righteous backwash could be called leadership, might not know this.
[[User:Leafy'Greens|Leafy Greens]] 21:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
:As a scholar, I find it imperative to know what the ratio between 'historic' and 'vast' is. The comparison is rather vague. Veiled threats will get you nowhere. Should we ever find ourselves facing your 'vast' numbers, I doubt any of us will be intimidated in the slightest.  
:As for our stance in regards to DK13, you are as many groups are in this city: a collection of fools of varying degrees of severity, and doubtless a few wise individuals as well. You are hardly alone in this, and individual members of your group will doubtless end up punished by our members if they do not seek to enlighten themselves.
:However, we ''are'' far less likely to find DK13 guilty of Factional Crimes if you sever all relations with the Zerger which makes up the 'group' Dragonhead, as well as the zergers who make up 'Bigger Mortice'. We have been known to assault people who give Zergers assistance.
:...And unless your group provokes us to the point where we are forced to declare you all enemies of Knowledge, Centers of Learning will provide your members with a safe asylum from ours.
:Thank you for your time, Mr. Greens, and Praise Knowledge. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 23:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)


We have never left.  We will never leave.  What "text rape" proof you can show against us, which isn't much, was made by members who for the sake of irony non-explicitly wrote things to prove how stupid the DEM definition of text rape actually is. So far, the most graphic depiction of anything sexual that has occured involving text rape was the "crime" committed by Lady HK when she claimed to manipulate genitals, and then mutilate them for the sake of asserting her dominance and control over another.  This was done to members of TZH who had never even player killed.
::As our clan's page states, the group was created on the second day after the outbreak. We are the oldest recorded survivor group. Partially as a result, our numbers have grown to the extent that we cannot accurately keep track of everyone working with us.


Expect us to stay.  We will watch with glee as your members become bored, as they leave, as your zerging alts are left by the wayside. We will smile as your pathetic excuse for endurance leaves you. We will ignore most of you, killing only the ones of you who we think have profile names amusing enough to kill.  And the best time had by all will be in the knowing that so many high schoolers who want so desperately for everyone else to beleive they are philosophy majors in college could do nothing to stop the second oldest group in Malton: TZH.  We are strength incarnate.  Long live TZH.  Long live Whalberg.  Death to Zombies and fools like the Philosophe Knights. --[[User:Dhavid Grohl|Dhavid Grohl]] 13:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)
::As for your third statement, I apologise for any confusion. I did not intend for my writing to be interpreted as a threat. I meant that we might assist you if you agree, not that we would attack you if you didn't. I had no intention to insinuate that we would attack you if you did not accept. That is a foolish and lowly tactic used only by the weak and insecure.
:Grohl, as per usual your "facts" are woefully inaccurate:
#Lady HK is not on the [[Ignore List]], so she's been "convicted" by ''who'' exactly? Oh, that would be ''you'' objecting to a comment made satirising your group's slogan using your group's idiom on an out-of-game discussion forum and attempting to use it to justify your members' actions ingame. Give it up – you're fooling nobody.
#I assume you're attempting to refer to [[Lord Curton's Gentlemen's Hunting Club]]. Well, it is '''mine''': although some of our members also have memberships in other groups, we are subject to no group's authority other than our own. If you have a complaint about one of our members, address it to '''me'''. I assure you, we treat zerging with the utmost severity.
#Might want to <span class="plainlinks">[http://z14.invisionfree.com/Brainstock/index.php?showtopic=11847&view=findpost&p=12087550 recheck the list]</span>, there – the original poster hasn't updated, but you're currently down to 4th oldest still active group. <small>(Not to disparage your longevity, merely picking nits.)</small>
:Now that that's out of the way: long time, no see. How're things? {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 06:41, 13 June 2009 (BST)


::Why did I never see this? Grohl finally realizes that there are only three real players in the Philosophe Knights (there used to be four, but Citizen M left), and I never found out? And our whole campaign of lewdly ravaging and violating each and every member of TZH exposed? You are a testament to Malton's good citizenry, Papa Nixon. And, might I say, a real, live Medical School graduate, which is to say, a person who has received higher education, something I can only dream about.
::Being learned men, I am sure that you will understand where I am coming from when I say this, but we will require definitive proof before disassociation with any group. If you can provide evidence sufficient to convince my superiors, then I see no reason to continue relations with the aforementioned groups.
::Also, please do send us whatever IP information you have. Also, ignore the above rant, the good Duke simply does not wish anyone to know that he and his group are one of our sub-groups, much like The Spartans, the Flowers of Disease, and the Department of Emergency Management. We do wish to see whatever evidence you might have at hand of the alt-abuse, forum-spying, zerging, or otherwise which is rampant in our group. We will examine it, and use it to improve our extravagant breach of the game's only rule. I mean, who cares? Why should any of us care what any of you self-conscious e-personalities think about us? Social norms don't apply to us - we transcend such things. I have too much of a worldly perspective for personal hygiene, for example.
::Good day, and Praise Knowledge. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 03:47, 20 June 2009 (BST)


==Janus Clarke==
::[[User:Leafy'Greens|Leafy Greens]] 16:41, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
Hello, Yesterday (12-31-08) I was PK'd by a player named Janus Clarke (http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1321237), whose profile states "Janus traded in his quest for revenge to become a tireless Educator in the employ of the Philosophe Knights."
:::I would have hoped that a group would take allegations of being associated with zergers seriously enough that they would ''immediately'' research the matter themselves and take action, rather than waiting for others to spoon feed the evidence to them. Nevertheless, I'll make this a bit easier for you. Searching for "Dragonhead" on Resensitized yields [http://zombies.dementiastudios.org/boards/index.php?topic=3940.msg47227#msg47227 this evidence] as the very first result. Bigger Mortice has been recognized as a zerg and has been zerg listed for years now, so the original evidence does not appear to be on the current iteration of Resensitized, but I'm sure you could track it down if you tried. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 23:32, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


During the PK (screenshot of which can be found here: http://i402.photobucket.com/albums/pp103/pucks15/JanusClarkePK_12-31-08.jpg), Clarke claimed I was a text-rapist. This statement is false, wholly inaccurate, and I am innocent of that crime.
::::I personally would, but I'm not the leader of DK13. I'm just a diplomat.
::::[[User:Leafy'Greens|Leafy Greens]] 04:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)


I demand he produce proof of this crime (screenshot of when and where I did this) but I know for certain he cannot do that for I have never committed such a vile act.
==Admin stuff==
[[Praise Knowledge]] is currently up on the deletions page. It's not really a glossary article and too short to really justify keeping it in the main namespace. Would you like it kept as one of your subpages or are you quite happy for it to be deleted? -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)


In interest of full disclosure, I am a '''former''' member of Team Zombie Hardcore but have been assisting survivor groups in Mornington for quite some time. You can ask Mrite of Those Dudes or Pandoras Emptiness of The Abandoned Warriors.
==Good Day, Sirs!==
Hello, as most of you already know, I'm DevilAsh, the wee annoying one from over at [[Red Rum]]. I'm just here to let you know (even though I have access to your forums) that in response to [[The Big Prick]]'s Mall Tour, we've started up our very own, [[Red_Rum/Vasectomy_Tour|The Big Red Vasectomy Tour]]. Our reasoning behind this is simple: The Big Prick are locking away knowledge from the greater people of Malton, and we just cannot allow that. We would love for you to join us, especially since we share the same intellectual pursuit in the matter. All the best, {{User:Ashley Valentine/sig}} 15:21, 21 January 2011 (UTC)


It could be that Clarke has me confused with a TZH dirtbag. Would appreciate you having a discussion with Clarke on his murdering me and slandering my name in front of other survivors. Thank you.--[[User:Lurchy McGee|Lurchy McGee]] 14:06, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
== [[Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011]] ==


:I stopped by to back up Lurchy McGee's statement above, and lend my personal testimony to the fact that he is indeed an honorable man. He has been nothing but helpful to the Mornington contingent of Those Dudes since we began a small base of operations in the suburb, beginning in early 2007. I have never witnessed Lurchy doing anything nearly as reprehensible as the crime to which he has been accused of. On the other hand, I have '''seen''' and '''reported''' such instances that were committed by TZH, including the latest one which got '''duke cage''' put on the ignore list. I '''do not''' condone '''text rape''', nor do I '''associate''' with those who engage in it. Therefore, I would not be standing up for Lurchy if he were involved in such activities.
{{Activelist!}}


:I have discussed this matter with some members of your organization privately, prior to this latest incident. I'm still open to discussing it with the leadership of this organization, as well as, offer any assistance I can in your endeavors to educate the ignorant, and eradicate the intolerant.
If you could fulfil this request to further the wiki as a bastion of knowledge that would be splendid.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 22:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)


:I can be reached through our [http://mrite.proboards77.com/ forum], [http://www.beerhah.com/ Beerhah forum], or in one or more places on irc.nexuswar.com (#ThoseDudes, #beerhah, #mcm, or #10mf) on a regular basis, usually in the early evenings (6:00-8:00pm est) during the week, later on the weekends.
:Lamport Hills, East Boundwoood, Yagoton, and Millen Hills see a consistent presence of Philosophe Knights. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 16:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)


:Thank you for your time and patience. Here's to hoping the matter is resolved soon.
::Thanks.--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 19:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::--[[User:Mrite|Mrite]] 15:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)


:::We apologize for the inconvenience and the mistake. Our TZH list still had Mr. McGee upon it, though several people have since corrected this, including Miss Begonia of the MCM. We have removed you from our kill list, but should any of our members kill you in the future, please inform us immediately. We are after current members of Team Zombie Hardcore, not past members. Once again, our sincere apologies, and should you need a revive, we will gladly provide you with one. Thank you for your time, and your understanding, and Praise Knowledge. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 18:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
== Invitation ==


::::To Knights leadership: I appreciate your efforts in resolving this matter. Please continue to get the word out to your team about my status. As for a revive, I am grateful for your offer but I am pretty sure I will get revived by a member of TAW or TD shortly. Peace and best wishes for enlightening the masses in Malton.--[[User:Lurchy McGee|Lurchy McGee]] 22:18, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Your group is rather difficult to contact. I'd wager your forum administrator is on vacation.


==DEM Policy?==
I'd like to invite the all Knights to part take in [[Section 13]]'s [http://z3.invisionfree.com/S13_Command/index.php?showtopic=222 "BRAINS!!!]" contest.  This is a role play / writing contest just for the hell of it.  The winner will be dubbed "Zombie Overlord.  The themes will concentrate on UD inspired stories, or Zombie fiction and writers have free reing on their choice of format.  
Hello, I'm Shusamchen, commonly abbreviated SSC. I'm a member of the DEM, which you guys seem to have a blanket policy on killing. I was just wondering how I and/or my affilated group managed to earn a place on your blacklist (no sarcasm or hostile intent intended). --[[User:Shusamchen|Shusamchen]] 23:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)


: I am quoting our illustrious Professor DT on this brief, yet insightful list. He offers...
Deadline for submissions is Friday March 26th for the first round.


: "- Actively promoting a third-party system of 'crime and punishment' - which openly vilifies the Philosophe Knights, and encourages their destruction - to other survivors and survivor groups. Factional Crime: Mass Slander.  
Please register an account on [http://z3.invisionfree.com/S13_Command/index.php?act=idx our forums] and check out the thread titled BRAINS!!! for full details, or click the following link to go straight there.


: - Actively employing armed personnel to track and kill Philosophe Knights, using aforementioned third-party system. Factional Crime: Mass Hindrance.  
http://z3.invisionfree.com/S13_Command/index.php?showtopic=222


: - Allowing other armed personnel to hunt and kill Philosophe Knights using that third-party system on a citywide scale and, in particular, in the traditional home of the Philosophe Knights and inside Centers of Learning. Factional Crime: Mass Hindrance.
Respectfull,


: - Engaging in activities in peaceful suburbs which are not only unrequested by the regular residents, but often entirely contrary to the residents' needs and desires. The common explanation for the DEM's member-groups engaging in such activities is the total disregard for communication with local groups. Factional Crime: Mass Ignorance.


: - Lack of unified effort exhibited by individuals of DEM member-groups. Members operating alone, rather than providing strength in numbers and cooperation, has been observed to make little impact upon a given situation. DEM policy does nothing to discourage this, and is believed to implement this quite often. Factional Crime: Mass Ignorance.
{{User:Jack13/sig}} 15:03, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
:Why should anyone wish to be dubbed Zombie Overlord? We get that sort of accusation all the time. Nonetheless, I shall be sure to submit an item. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 17:11, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


: - Contributing to the development of, and actively spreading awareness of, a barricade priority template which advocates the endangerment of Centers of Learning through insufficient barricades. Factional Crime: Mass Disrespect for Knowledge.  
== The Forum ==
Now, usually when the forum goes down due to either scriptkiddies injecting code, or because the payment didn't make it, there's no page to be seen. However, I am unable to access the forum at the moment, being told it is not available, and that my account does not exist.
Which of you blackguards banned me? I shall be sure to keep you alive for ''days'' before I mercifully let you expire. Return to me my access post-haste! --{{User:DT/Signature}} 17:15, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
:I'm being told it's unavailable at the moment too, so I'd imagine something's gotten borked. The area for you guys is still set up and private on our forums, and as always your lot are more than welcome to use it. {{User:Ashley Valentine/sig}} 17:28, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
::I believe we are experiencing our second bout of hacking, as our forum has been deactivated from the inside. We already have a forum on your forums.<br> http://redrum.scoundrell.com/forums/
::Any Knights bewildered and confused, go there, sign up, and PM Revenant or DevilAsh for forum access to the Philosophe Knight subforum. Or just spam their PM box with frivolous requests for obscure Thai cuisine. I'm sure they're lonely over there and will appreciate the attention. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 17:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
::Or you can PM Perpetua (me) on that forum. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 22:16, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I wondered why I couldn't log on. I discovered it between the hours of 9am-11am EST(UTC -5) time if that helps. I was on my phone so I figured it was just a glitch there and not that the whole forum was down.. We could all congregate on the IRC as well. on a side note critique the "Remarks by one who encountered MS in a local Library" part of my profile page if you'd like. I all up for constructive criticism. {{User:Mazu/sig}} 02:22, 21 March 2011 (UTC)


: - Aiding and abetting enemies of the Philosophe Knights in times of war. Examples include: The DRRP, and the Bandit Queens. Factional Crime: Mass Aiding the Enemy.
I can access the board, but it tells me "This board has no forums." Has it all been wiped clean? {{User:JustAnotherWebSurfer/Signature}} 00:05, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
:Well I can load members profiles and my private messages but other than that I think its all gone.{{User:Mazu/sig}} 00:31, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
::Have the knights really come to such an end? This is a true pity. I certainly intend to try to carry on the ideology to my future groups and endeavors. I find it depressing that so much of our internal history has been lost with the forum. {{User:JustAnotherWebSurfer/Signature}} 04:18, 4 June 2011 (BST)
:::Nay! The Knights have not come to an end. Think of it more as a new beginning for us even more so once we get a new forum to work on. You can join us on the RedRum forums DT gave a link to in the mean time.{{User:Mazu/sig}}  04:25, 4 June 2011 (BST)
Drat. And right when I had regained my computer access, and thought of a splendid campaign. Ah well, how do we keep in touch now? [[User:Defender Of The Weak|Defender Of The Weak]] 00:48, 19 April 2011 (BST)
:We're on the redrum forum and on IRC or at least we used to be..seems both have gone inactive though. There's info on it a few posts above this one.{{User:Mazu/sig}} 04:13, 19 April 2011 (BST)
::Just wanted to report in that ST is back and around.. would love to see the PKnights boasting the same.. --{{User:Barak/sig}} 08:41, 28 June 2011 (BST)
:::Always good news to see another knight return!{{User:Mazu/sig}}  13:14, 28 June 2011 (BST)
::::i blame it on karma for you guys not accepting me.. gods will and all that rot.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>14:13, 28 June 2011 (bst)</small>
::::: I've finally stumbled back within Malton's grasp. My quest for the Tower once again led me here. Praise Knowledge! - {{User:BlackReaper/sig}} 19:57, 6 August 2011 (BST)


: - (Note: Crime and Verdict listed as Controversial) The display of a Problematic Attitude. Especially: regarding small, organized groups of survivors. Observations show that many DEM personnel (of all ranks and member-groups) have a tendency to regard the opinions, actions, and operations of smaller groups or non-allies as inconsequential and insignificant. Factional Crime: Mass Ignorance."
==Template==
Here's a template I made, figured some knights might like it. It'll update when ever the page loads. 
{{DateandTime|{{PAGENAME}}}}
{{User:Mazu/sig}}  05:10, 22 May 2011 (BST)
:Nice! I've tweaked it slightly; hope you don't object. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 05:50, 22 May 2011 (BST)
::Nah, I'm fine with helpful edits, I'm not the best with coding stuff{{User:Mazu/sig}}  12:44, 22 May 2011 (BST)


: I believe that sums up quite a bit.
== QSG. ==


: -- {{User:RH/sig}} 02:15, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
an upstart [[Local_Roftwood_Defense_Complex | group]] has decided to make war with the QSG.
if you have any members in the roftwood area that could help that would be appreciated.
thanks again <small>[[User:Sexualharrison | asshole doctor]] --13:29, 31 July 2011 (BST) </small>


::Also, your group is allied with [[Special_Zombie_Extermination_Squad|enemies of knowledge]]. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 20:48, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
== ENVY ==
:::It's much worse than that. The DEM considers itself allied with all survivors. That would include fairly well every person the Philosphe Knights kill. A group of people they would call "ignorant" granted they are a smaller group of players but even the Philsophe Knights have to find someone to veiw as inconsequential and insignificant.  Why not the people they kill?  So yeah I'll say the DEM stands for a society that is inclusive rather than exclusive.  We will hold the torch of civilization for all..even the ignorant.  So add that to our list of crimes.--[[User:Kristi of the Dead|Kristi of the Dead]] 13:18, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
I am a bit ad odds finding out [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=738620 Golam] has PKed one of my crew. I know the truce was made a while ago and with Treebob at the helms but I respected that (as I was part of the mayhem) and ignored any Philosophe Knights on my path. Should I reconsider and introduce you as hostile again ? (whats up with the font here :P) --[[User:Murderess|Murderess]] 01:42, 9 August 2011 (BST)
::::(sound of quill scratching) -- {{User:VI/S}} 16:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
:I am afraid I have no record of any truce. Indeed, Treebob has been known to unilaterally declare “truce” without any notice to the other party. Might I ask for a copy of whatever gives you the impression that there was any form of diplomatic relations? {{User:Duke D'oeuvre/Sig}}
:::Hmm... I see. Well, things sound a lot worse when you say it like that. But when you have to manage 200+ personnel over all of Malton, things get quite difficult. On points regarding to barricading and unwanted assistance, we've always tried to follow appropriate barricade plans according to the wiki; it's not really easy to agree on all of these things. On your issues with teamwork, well, 200+ people aren't easy to manage, especially with our current structure. But we're working on that. Also bear in mind that we take in a lot of new players as well, and they aren't necessarily as disciplined as we'd like. We DO try to help every player, but nowadays with all this politicking going on around us, it's not always as clear anymore, especially when no-one bothers trying to talk to us and just says "Oh, the DEM just try to ruin everything for everybody. They rush in and make a mess for us to clean up, then disappear like they've never been here". And as a last point, may I note that DEM do not and will never proactively attack survivors, unless said survivors have a confirmed record (screenshot and personal report) of Player Killing of members of the DEM. Many thanks for your answer, it has cleared up a lot of things for me. May we one day settle our differences for the greater good of everyone. --[[User:Shusamchen|Shusamchen]] 21:37, 8 November 2008 (UTC)


I understand the Philosophe Knights policy regarding the DEM, but I have a question in terms of your "Faction Crimes - Aiding the Enemy". Specifically, how does this apply to groups/organizations in areas where the DEM may be the only other major survivor coalition (Crooketon, for instance)?  In these cases, I would think that having every ally possible would be a boon... but I would like to hear from the Knights on the matter. --[[User:Maverick Farrant|Maverick]] 15:27, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
::I unfortunately do not have "records" of this. It was back in the days when we use to hang in North Blyth and were hitting a lot of PKers group as they were coming at us as well (first). You guys ended up calling a truce with ENVY. I recall this very well as I took you off my "black list" and you were in the area and never bothered with us anymore... until now. We did stay there for a long time and you guys went on your merry way. I was not in the talks back then but its very clear in my mind. Not sure what you want to do about it. Your call I guess. Just trying to establish whats going on here. --[[User:Murderess|Murderess]] 03:03, 9 August 2011 (BST)
:Taken to the forums for discussion. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 08:54, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:::Do you, perhaps, have a record of the kill? {{User:Duke D'oeuvre/Sig}} 03:19, 9 August 2011 (BST)


==Master Steerpike==
::::Again unfortunate, I whip my crew to screenshot but get not much results. Until now that I screamed again... All I got was : Here's the PKer that got me [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=738620 Golam]. He killed this guy : [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1934473 Boris von pwn] Not sure what to tell ya... talking to Treebob now and he is looking for records... --[[User:Murderess|Murderess]] 03:39, 9 August 2011 (BST)


Today [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1417866 Skull Grin] awoke to find himself in a [http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/8742/killedbyaphilospheknigh.png familiar state of Unlife.] The words ringing in his ears marked him as an ignorant, however, the irony of the statement caused a brief bout of anger. For it was [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1448149 Master Steerpike] who is ignorant. Being murdered didn't bother Skull Grin one bit. But for someone to murder him for being what he is, to him at least, an act of intolerance bordering on the ignorant.
:::::I now have the emails that were sent back and forth from "William" to Treebob way back when. See your forum for details... well, let me in :P  --[[User:Murderess|Murderess]] 03:55, 9 August 2011 (BST)


Perhaps I should explain my position. As Skull Grin I am a Death Cultist. I seek the beauty in Unlife, and to those that have not embraced that path I could see how they wouldn't understand my views. Once upon a time I was a mere zombie without a care in the world, happily devouring all that wandered into my path. But after the first human stabbed me and changed me against my will I decided to better myself. I sought out the ways of the humans so I could combat them at their level and at mine.  
::::::I wouldn't put much stock in what these chumps tell you on this page or in their forums.  They are consummate liars.  Despite multiple lessons taught by [[TZH]] these asshats have continued to fail all of their "Awesomexams". Basically, they will jerk you around for days, attempt to run you in circles, and then still shoot you. Take it from someone who has had the intense displeasure of bearing witness to their asshattery for 3+ years, across the game and multiple forums.  You're better off shooting them, and using an ignore app to block out what they say in game.  Is it text rape?  No.  But it does something almost as bad... listening to them can actually make you dumber.  It will lower your REAL LIFE IQ.  It happened to one of our members, poor guy can't do math anymore.  Remember, those who shout loudest about how smart they are, often aren't. Especially when they use yuppie memes, worn out gimmicks, and lame RP to do it.  Just sayin'. Oh, and also, all Fulloshit Knights are welcome to a heaping helping of my frumunda. BALLS TO THE WHALLS bitches!  --[[User:Dhavid Grohl|Dhavid Grohl]] 06:38, 15 November 2011 (UTC)


In short it was the never ending parade of Necrotechs, that ceaselessly harassed my humble group with constant unwanted revives, that made us into the destructive group that we are now. I can only assume that Master Steerpike was swayed by the words of the Rotters Relief. They have set up a Rot Revive on [[RDD]] territory without asking. And to a group of murderers and Death Cultists this was an act of war. Perhaps if you knew that the Rotters Relief were allied with the DEM your neophyte wouldn't have meddled in my affairs. So in a way your own man was in violation of one of your own rules: which is of course aiding your enemies. Albeit he did so unknowingly.
::::::::I have certaily missed you DhaveGrohl--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 04:19, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


I'm not an unreasonable man, and you caught me while my rational mind wasn't trapped in the berserker that is my undead form, so I propose that I will not seek retribution on Master Steerpike. However, the catch is that you cease your attacks on myself and my group. I've given my men standing orders to murder and destroy as they see fit with the exception of friends, allies, and respected parties. I simply ask that if you do not target my group we will not target any of your members in the area. We confine ourselves to Millen Hills as it is our home, we have no interest in invading your territory and killing it's members, and we ask that of you in return.
== Standard policy ==


(Out of character discussion begins)
Is it standard policy for you to leap from windows? I would of thought suicide was above individuals as well learned as you.--{{User:ZIPO/sig}} 03:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)


I will further state that it is my previous and current dealings with your members that made me approach you with diplomacy. As currently one of my alts has been sleeping in your mansion before moving eastward out of the region. I disliked having to stop but as you can attest there are sometimes unforeseen circumstances that can arise during one's travels. I've found that the tales of your hospitality are not exaggerated. I've also had brief dealings with your members with other alts, although they passed as strangers in the night, so I wouldn't think that they would be remembered by your people.
:What our enemies "would of" thought is rarely of pressing concern to the Philosophe Knights. It is precisely the uninformed opinions and irrational ideas of the ignorant that the Philosophe Knights seek to correct.
:Furthermore, the Philosophe Knights rarely - if ever - disclose what their "standard polices" are. Or if they ''have'' standard policies. Thank you for your time, and Praise Knowledge. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 17:09, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::I hope these policies you don't like to talk about cover accidental death, cos you lot are prone to it an awful lot. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 18:42, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::What does your retort even mean? On the surface it appears to be dusted with wit even if it is ever so dull. In actuality your comment makes no sense what so ever.  This is a perfect example of the ignorance we aim to help you with. {{User:Brad Dahlia/sig1}} 19:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Very clever. Did you cut and paste that all by yourself, or did you get a grown up to help you? {{User:Kempy/sig}} 19:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Excuse me, Kempy, is there something urgent you require of the Philosophe Knights? A question? A demand? A complaint? Anything at all that requires you to use our talk page? We'd be happy to help, if you do. Thank you, and Praise Knowledge. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 20:08, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::No no, just chillin'. Talkin', on your page. Your talk page, the page where talking gets done. I'm most certainly ''not'' diving out windows, or any other unsportsmanlike behaviour to avoid being tagged by the other team in order to cover up the utter humiliation of defeat I would assuredly receive. Because, haha, that would be pretty lame, eh? {{User:Kempy/sig}} 20:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::...oh, wait. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 20:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::: I have a question, how has your day been Professor DT? I trust your health is in good order. --{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 20:30, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::How kind of you to inquire, sir! I continue my duties even when under the weather. And I hope you are doing as well as I, my friend. It's been a while since we last talked. How have you been? What new antics have you gotten up to?
:::::::And to Kempy: There is nothing more that would I enjoy right now more than a speech on unsportsmanlike behavior and the humiliation of defeat. Please do continue. Thank you ever so much for your kind words, and Praise Knowledge! --{{User:DT/Signature}} 20:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Ah, I wouldn't know anything about all that kinda stuff. Just a dumb, uneducated plod, me. But, I'm good at me job, and that's what counts, eh? You should be grateful, you've got guys like me and Mich up there, keeping the streets safe from the oiks. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 20:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::: It has been a long time, its been the same old keeping the floatsum down one way or another.--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 23:17, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::The streets are safe? I had no idea. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 21:01, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::No new ones, anyway. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 21:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::Do you think we've violated some special privilege of yours? Please. Here's how you should address this "issue": Deal with it. --{{User: HG/Signature}}03:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::I don't think anyone here said that. I didn't read anyone saying "You've violated some special privilege of ours."--{{User:ZIPO/sig}} 03:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::::No doubt that is why HG asked if you ''thought'' that, rather than if that is what you said. ''Do'' you think that? --{{User:DT/Signature}} 03:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::Well then he is jumping the gun a bit to start giving out advice before anyone really answered the question. I'm glad I got an answer to my earlier question DT the only was to learn sometimes is to ask. I just didn't think making yourselves easier targets was your style.--{{User:ZIPO/sig}} 04:01, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::Yours is answered? Fascinating. And it seemed so dependent upon specifics. But, that apparently being so, do we receive no answer to ours? We long for insight into your minds, you see. They must be so interesting. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 04:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::Yeah it was. You basically said you weren't gonna discuss your standard policies if you had them with me. My mind isn't as interesting as you would think. It's a jumbled mess that even I don't know what's happening in there. Personally thou I don't think you've violated a privilege of ours I wasn't even aware we had any privileges. Officer James thou may have a different view on that matter thou.--{{User:ZIPO/sig}} 04:34, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::And you think that 'to leap from windows' is either a Policy (which assumes that Knights were told beforehand to do so) or Standard (something done often, or not at all unusual), or ''both'' for the Philosophe Knights? We obviously either stepped outside or leapt outside, but to assume that this was something other than a last-second decision during a hectic performance is the height of folly: a failure of reason.
::::::::::::As for privileges, very nearly everyone has the privilege to be educated, at least. And don't sell your mind short. That jumbled mess is a veritable treasure trove for some! Thank you for your time, and Praise Knowledge! --{{User:DT/Signature}} 04:42, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Actually I never said I thought that it was I just enquired as to if it was. One of your Knights in the CAPD channel actually said it was so it all becomes quite a confusing contradiction with you lot. Also I wasn't enquiring to the aftermath of your wonderful performance. It was more around the discussing of a failed bank robbery by two of your members.--{{User:ZIPO/sig}} 04:58, 17 November 2011 (UTC)


I apologize for being so verbose but I find this to be an important matter that needed clearing up. I hope that this situation will be cleared up and cooler heads will prevail. On an ending note I'd like to pay compliment to Master Steerpike, as a killer of his level is always impressive. But what impressed me the most is that despite his level he truly is a killer. My first PKer alt started at level 5 and Master Steerpike somewhat reminds me of him in that they both have great potential and their killer instincts are enshrouded by their levels. {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 22:01, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
:Lulz. Chill, you silly pups.
:My unrequested take on this? 'Tis a difference of opinion we won't ever reach agreement on. Different idiosyncrasies from different groups of people. Say, like, for instance, those RG fellows who think self-reporting PKers are lame, cause it's "unsportsmanlike" or whatever? I never could twig that myself. Me, I like PKers who've got the balls to self-report, paint a bounty on their backs themselves. That's brave. Then again, I assume haters have their reasons, so hey, to each their own.
:So, window diving? We see it as fundamentally lame. You see, we take these shootouts as a sport of sorts, a chance to test our skills and coordination. We take an awful lot of pride from doing well at these. And divers are fellas who cheat at this sport, in a way, because they play on "easy mode". It completely spoils the competition: you can't have a meaningful score if a team is playing on easy while the other is on hard. And we could dive ourselves, of course, to even it out, but that's even worse, it takes away the challenge. There's hardly any point in dirt nap, kill some guy, dive - any monkey can do that. It's just pressing buttons.
:So yeah, we like PKers who stay alive, we respect those. Think Suburban Ed, DJ Talent, FOD... hell, Binlaggin is a master at staying alive, hence why I'm a big fan, even though he doesn't love me any more... I think I broke his heart with a stray bullet :( And divers? Well we play of course, we're game like that, but it's pretty hard for us not to go all dismissive and snobbish. "Amateur hour," etc.
:But to each their own, huh :) --[[User:Hashk/Susan Popham|Suze]] 07:07, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::I assumed it was obvious that question was rhetorical, which is why I responded to it myself. To be sure, it seemed clear to me you implied that you are entitled to posteducation revenge, and that we, by depriving you of it by whatever means, have "violated" the "special privilege" that provides it. --{{User:HG/Signature}}14:12, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::The anger of those deprived of satisfaction is an unreasonable anger, Sir HG. To understand it, one must leave the realm of logic and clarity of thought, and return to the tangled, unruly mess of emotions that ''we'' have worked so hard to distance ourselves with.
:::::::::::They do not see the act of revenging themselves upon us as a ''right'' they have. Rather, they believe that ''we'' are '''honor-bound''' to ''avail ourselves'' to them, for either revenge or mercy. They believe that because we believe in honor and integrity that we have disgraced our name by moving ourselves beyond their reach.
:::::::::::What they do not realize - because they have not yet moved beyond the emotional response to our 'unsportsmanlike' actions - is that we have placed ourselves beyond their reach so that our punishment of their Ignorance ''does not'' devolve into some petty tit-for-tat war of attrition.
:::::::::::This is the true face of our enemy, HG! These people who cannot understand that we do not kill them in order to ''defeat'' them, but rather in order to ''help'' them, ''this'' is our enemy. They think that they must now take up arms against us, when in fact the rational course of action is to correct the errors of their ''modus operandi'', to embrace reason, and to seek education, and by doing so, make us go away. First, they are stopped by their pride: they do not ''want'' to give in to us, they feel it would be shameful. Then they are stopped by their anger: we have done them harm, and their instincts will not let them forgive us. Finally they are stopped by their habits: to retaliate against us, to defend their way of life is how they have always lived. To ''think'' about the ''"Why"'' of their actions, to actually ''question'' their motivations is anathema to them. They have never done it before.
:::::::::::To simply ask them to Deal With It ''is'' to ask them to do the rational thing. But they will never do that until they discover this truth for themselves.


:Greetings, citizen! I'm sorry to hear about your recent misfortune, and I am very glad to hear that it was not the death that bothered you so much as the reasons for it. This is an enlightened attitude that we rarely come across. You are obviously not the sort of ignorant individual we take so much pleasure in "educating".
:::::::::::Education is not a sport. Our methods are not those of sportsmen. There are recreational contests of skill that a person may enter into for sport, but the Philosophe Knights do not consider themselves contenders in any contest, Officers of the Crew Avenue Police Department. We have punished you for the crime of Ignorance, for your perpetuation of an injustice to the efforts of the living in Malton. Accept this punishment. Think upon this punishment. Question this punishment if you must. But do not fight it because your animal instincts tell you that you must. You are not the ''common'' corpse which sways in the street; you are '''more''' than that. We come only to bring you help, not to humiliate you. This is the truth of the Philosophe Knights. Praise Knowledge. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 22:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::Aye. 34 - 21. ♥ ♥ ♥ :) --[[User:Hashk/Susan Popham|Suze]] 00:28, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::::So when does this punishment you say has already happened actually begin?--{{User:ZIPO/sig}} 00:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Can you imagine DT on Who Wants to be a Millionaire? You'd be halfway through the series before he even got round to answering the £500 question. What a blowhard. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 06:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Lulz. I just noticed there isn't a link to our kill registry in this page. [[CAPD/Locker Room/The Philosophe Knights Foulkes Village Adventure|Here ya go.]] 38 - 23 as of now. Come on, sleeping beauties, you can catch up! --[[User:Hashk/Susan Popham|Suze]] 01:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


:However, it is with great regret that I must inform you that Master Steerpike's action was completely within the realms of Philosophe philosophy, and were I to find myself in a similar situation I would not hesitate to pull the trigger. Why is this? Because, friend, any contention between your group and mine falls within an entirely different arena than that between the Knights and, shall we say, an ignorant mall-rat. The reason being that any conflict between us is not a conflict between the ignorant and the educated, but rather between the alive and the undead; the humanists and the anti-humanists. You see, although we are PKers, we Knights are distinctly pro-survivor in our philosophy, and our actions reflect this. Therefore any death-cultist is necessarily an enemy to us, just as any zombie would be.
==...==
[[User:Axe Hack/Random Rantings|...A simple request to all the Knights...]] --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 21:58, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
:Hardly simple. Will you ask us what 'Truth' is next? Praise Knowledge, and have a pleasant day. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 22:10, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
::I'm looking for the Knights' own personal opinions on what they consider knowledge, not an exact definition of the word knowledge. --{{User:Axe Hack/Sig}} 22:14, 2 December 2011 (UTC)


:As such it is my unhappy duty to tun you away unvindicated, but I assure you that I have nothing but respect for you as a person, never mind you as a zombie, and that I would have been overjoyed to have made your acquaintance in a world slightly less blood-soaked than this. I hope this is a sufficient explanation. -- {{User:VI/S}} 15:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
== Your shipment is ready ==


::We find this to be most acceptable VI. And although there may be occasions that our groups kill each other it pleases me to know that it will be only business and not out of hostility. For the reasons you've previously stated we are technically natural enemies, and while that is most unfortunate, it is the way of things. If you kill us it is to survive and thrive, not to punish ignorance, in the same way that if we kill you it isn't out of malice, but rather because you stand in the way of the current objective we may have or because the little ones need to grow stronger. I simply didn't want for you to think that I held a personal grudge against your group for what happened.
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::I agree that it is truly sad that our paths have pitted us against each other, because as trite as it sounds, we could very easily be friends and I hold nothing but respect for yourself and your organization. I find that you are perhaps the only Pro Survivor Group to have a worthy cause. And you contribute so much to the betterment of Malton.
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::I suppose that meeting for a chess game is out of the question.  {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 00:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Yours in science,


:::Ah, this is excellent indeed. I admit I was slightly worried that you would not react with favour to my affirmation of our decidedly humanist stance. It seems I have been made the fool -- but what is it they say? "Ignorance is bliss"; an entirely incorrect supposition, but one which fits nicely here, I think. As for your game, I would enjoy nothing more than to meet you in battle upon that bloody checkered field! Name your place, sir, and I will be there. -- {{User:VI/S}} 04:42, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>Sunday, 6 May 2012</sub>
:You, sir, are a gentleman, a scholar, and a scientist ''<span class="plainlinks">[http://dictionary.reference.com/wordoftheday/archive/2004/08/07.html nonpareil]</span>''.<br/> All you must now do to forever secure your place in my heart is to kindly correct the spelling of [[Dr._schwan’s_Research_and_Development_Team/PK_database#The_Philosophe_Knights|this entry]].<br/><br/>Praise Knowledge!<br/>{{User:Duke D'oeuvre/Sig}} 13:16, 6 May 2012 (BST)
::My apologies for allowing that error to stand this long. The requisite correction has been made and I have taken the liberty of adjusting your link above to reflect.
::{{User:A.schwan/sig}} <sub>Sunday, 6 May 2012</sub>
:::I have stolen your template, your nav bar and a mask. Thank ye and safe travels. {{User:Mazu/sig}} 00:05, 9 May 2012 (BST)


::::[http://gameknot.com/ Gameknot] is a free online chess server. My username is Goribus. I've joined it tonight. It looks like a great deal of fun. I've never played chess online with someone before so it should be interesting. I should warn you that I'm not an expert, however, I'm not a complete pushover either. But it's a marvelous game and I induldge in it at every oppurtunity to do so. {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 07:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)


:::::Would you mind just using chess notation here on the wiki? It would take longer, but I enjoy having time to scheme, and we would be entertaining the masses. -- {{User:VI/S}} 15:27, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
== Praise Knowledge ==


::::::I would first have to locate my chess set which was packed away to save space. I'm not opposed to the idea, but it could take some time to either locate the missing set, or and this is more likely, for me to simply decide that I'm too lazy to look for the set and buy another one. *chuckles* It will probably be the latter. However if we decide against an actual game with physical sets I believe the maximum move time on that site is 1 week between turns. {{User:Goribus/Sig}} 21:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? -- [[User:the Reverand Cyanide|Comrade Ov]] 15:36, 06 July 2012(EST)
:The answer, in your case? Sparkly frocks. {{User:Kempy/sig}} 22:49, 6 July 2012 (BST)
::i was going to say biscuits. --- [[User:Sexualharrison/golam|<span style="border:solid 1px #af7817;padding:0px 1px;background-color:#e7dfce;color:#000;">'''אמת'''</span>]] <sup>[[Philosophe Knights|<span style="color:#af7817">PK</span>]]</sup><small>23:15, 6 July 2012 </small>


:::::::If I may interject, I'd just like to say that I'd love to see a game of chess played out here over the Wiki with notation. --[[User:Visible One|Visible One]] 04:46, 20 June 2009 (BST)
== Praise the Dark Side ==


==Knights in Yagoton==
{{SoNinvite‎}} ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:28, 7 November 2012 (UTC)</sub>
Hello, Rohndogg1 again. I just wanted to let you know that we acknowledge that you have members in Yagoton for pro-survivor purposes and I've told The Abandoned that you are not to be touched unless hostile actions are proved to have occurred by your members. I'm happy to keep things peaceful between our groups, seeing as I dislike the danger posed by the uneducated. We still prefer peaceful methods of educating though, and as such, we ask that while you are in Yagoton you refrain from killing anyone. I'm sure there shouldn't be a problem since you've already stated the purpose of your visit, I just wanted to make sure. --[[User:Rohndogg1|Rohndogg1]] 17:09, 29 March 2009 (BST)


I hate to be saying this, but it has come to my attention that one of your lower ranking members, StuartFS, has killed somebody in our beloved Yagoton, (we can provide a screen shot) which is against what you had said about being in Yagoton for pro-survivor purposes. I don't know if there was a lapse in communication or something, but I'd like to know what the deal is. If I could here back from you soon that would be great. Your friend in knowledge --[[User:Rohndogg1|Rohndogg1]] 20:45, 22 April 2009 (BST)
== Let me get this straight.... ==
PS: The reason given for the kill was that there was bad grammar in the victim's profile. I found it funny that when I looked at Stuart's profile while looking into this matter I noticed a grammatical error in his profile as well.
::Who did FS kill? We are killing Zergs at the moment, and some are in Yagoton. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 22:03, 3 May 2009 (BST)


:::Sorry, I've been busy with school so my reply is a bit late. Here's a [http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/7617/udstuart.png screenshot]. On another note, Someone named [http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1132496 Le Penseur] killed The Envoy's Son. Unfortunately I can not provide a screenshot of this one, but it was reported by one of our oldest members so I am inclined to take his word for it. He did provide a time stamp, it occurred at 0700 GMT on 22 May 2009. Anything you can say about this new case would be appreciated. --[[User:Rohndogg1|Rohndogg1]] 16:31, 23 May 2009 (BST)
You guys praise knowledge and that's respectable, I guess. (Even though it's highly irrelevant to a very poor quality zombie survival MMORPG.) When your Students' are like...how should I put this...Special Ed.?[[User:Maureen|Maureen]] 05:24, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
::::The Envoy's Son is part of the Zerg army that we have been fighting across the city. We kill these animals wherever we find them. {{User:VI/S}} 19:39, 23 May 2009 (BST)
:Knowledge is not irrelevant, regardless of the situation. In fact, it is during times such as these that knowledge is more relevant than at any other, since it is through the pursuit of knowledge that we can climb out of the hole we have found ourselves in. As for those we instruct, we firmly believe that we can reach them through our methods, even if they may be at the levels of intelligence that you believe them to be. In fact, our newest recruit was one such individual, having previously allied himself with known enemies of knowledge, before turning his back and pursuing enlightenment. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 00:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)


Hello esteemed scholars, it has come to my attention that three days ago (I haven't been on) Kieran Light, killed someone by the name of Mumrahh in Yagoton. The reason given was ignorance. Now I know that is normally acceptable of your members, but the agreement amongst us was to refrain from killing in our area. This has been beneficial for both sides as it keeps things more peaceful in our home and it keeps my members from attacking your members and vice versa. If there was more of a reason along with ignorance such as zerging or the like then not a problem, but I would like to keep things as peaceful as possible amongst us. --[[User:Rohndogg1|Rohndogg1]] 20:19, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
== From a PK'er to another ==


==A Humble Request==
I would like to let you honorable ladies and gentlemen know that the NWO is also a partly a PK'er group which is headed by me, and aims to cleanse malton....err....let us say by a different and faster method.To be exact,brainwashing.Anyway i would like it if you would stop targeting NWO members before this gets out of hand,i know  you people have had your differences with some NWO members but its nothing that can't be forgiven.So i urge you to stop(and no none of the members haven't yet said anything about you guys,but i happend to notice things on the wiki)If you do feel the need to ''educate'' my members,please ''educate'' me first.I'm currently in dulston,in midelton crescent pd,but i do believe us pk'rs should stick together because there are so little people who share our ideology*tilts hat in respect and walks away--[[User:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="red">Payne</font>]][[User talk:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="blue">Train</font>]]<sup>'''([[NWO]]/[[FU]])'''</sup> 05:59, 19 May 2013 (BST)
:What you're demonstrating to us is that you do not yet understand the severity of the situation. To put it in perspective, this all started with [[User_talk:KN#Hey_you.21_You_ignorant|a concluded discussion between a Knight and an ACC member]] that had nothing to do with the NWO until one of your members decided to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User_talk:KN&diff=2072127&oldid=2072121 slander us without provocation] two weeks after the conversation had wrapped up. But just in case there was any doubt that he had sealed his own fate, he then proceeded to ignore his fellow group mate's advice that he should stop commenting on a closed discussion that didn't involve him, hypocritically condemned those of us who ''actually'' had a stake in the conversation for participating in it, and then coarsely expressed his hatred for our Order when he was called out on his hypocrisy and ignorance. By any imaginable standard, his behavior was inappropriate, offensive, and uninformed, and because you did not start your comment here with the words "CyberOpposition is no longer a member of NWO", we can only assume that you stand behind his statements and that his views reflect those of your group. If you expect us to do anything less than hold you and your group accountable for his crimes against knowledge, we demand a formal apology and his immediate expulsion from the group. Until we have those, we have nothing further to discuss. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 09:48, 19 May 2013 (BST)


Greetings, I have a small request mainly for one of your members, Jorgo Mono, but also by extension any other Philosophe Knights who may read this. Earlier today Mr Mono you saw fit to shoot down one of my new alts in Giddings Mall, I'm not bothered by the fact that you killed him, in fact I appreciate it in a way as it gave me an opportunity to purchase another Zed skill, however, I was slightly concerned by the fact that you failed to state why you killed me. Normally such a thing would not bother me, however, given the fact that you are a member of the Philosophe Knights I am led to believe that you targeted me because you deemed me guilty of a crime against knowledge. I'm guessing that this crime was most likely that of ignorance, either because the alt in question currently lacks a profile, or simply because I had the misfortune to AP out in that cesspool of ignorance that is called a mall, a place I would normally only be seen dead in, preferably along with a large hoard of my zombie brethren. Now, while I may be able to work out the likely reasoning for my killing, not everyone in my position would be, and for that reason I feel that, as an educator, you owe it to your victims to state what offence you have found them guilty of, otherwise how are they (and any witnesses who are also guilty of said crimes) supposed to learn the lesson that you are trying to teach them? Seeing you took the time to say "Goodbye" to me before delivering the fatal shot, you could have quite easily taken the time to say "Due to ''whatever reason'' you have been found guilty of ''whatever crime'', and I hereby sentence you to death" It's short, sweet, to the point, and more importantly allows myself and others around me to understand what I did wrong and thus take steps to insure it doesn't happen again. By contrast though simply saying "Goodbye" before splattering my guts across the wall makes you look another run of the mill PKer. So please Mr Mono, before you deliver the final blow next time, state the reason for the actual killing so that you victims may be educated. Yours sincerely, [[User:Monstroso|Monstroso]] 19:59, 2 April 2009 (BST)
:We are certainly not averse to working with others, but the devil is, as they say, in the details. I ''was'' going to invite you to [http://philosopheknights.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1735 pay us a visit] if you wished to expand or expound on this notion, so as to see what we could work out, but it sounds as though you may need to get your house in order beforehand. {{User:Duke D'oeuvre/Sig}} 10:56, 19 May 2013 (BST)


I shall let him know your concerns. Kind Regards RE
Don't feel so special philosophy knights. Get all huffy puffy and play pissed off philosophy adjuncts who beat their students. What kind of philosophy is that anyways? Runnin' round callin people 'ignat' all da time, idk why you even pay attention to me at this point. The premise of your group is pointless and the acting is simply awful. Also, I'd like to point out the independence of every member in NWO as it's a division based group. (Trust me, not too easy to manage when everyone is doing their own thing anyway) So if you're ignorant enough to think one members actions reflect an entire groups opinions then, whatever.
[[User:Rapture|RE]] 19:59, 20 April 2009 (BST)
[[:File:Middle-finger1.jpg|center]] [[User:CyberOpposition|-.-]] 16:28, 19 May 2013 (BST)
:''"It's short, sweet, to the point"''. Well then, why couldn't you be? {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig}} 15:37, 26 May 2009 (BST)


==Proposal for non aggression==
: I was wondering if you guys jumped out a building if you were being hypocritical or ignorant or do you just chase each other around and kill one another instead? I'm confused here. Do you guys contemplate the meaning of life on your forums? That'd be hilarious. Oh and Payne, I'm not sure NWO negotiates with.... well... Anybody at this point lol.(might wanna check in with the board on that one) Except maybe zombies, occasionally. [[User:CyberOpposition|-.-]] 23:16, 19 May 2013 (BST)
::Aren't you just ''precious''? A bit boring, since the only trick you have is to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template:NWORec&diff=2072383&oldid=2070073 throw your toys out of the pram] like an infant [[User_talk:Rosslessness#You.27re_invited.21|when you don't get what you want]], but still just as cheek-pinchingly ''precious'' as the baby in the pram would be. You think you're making a point, when all you're doing is reusing a tired old image, flailing verbally, and begging Payne to ignore our demand on a feeble pretense. The whole reason Payne came here was to clean up the mess ''you'' made so that the NWO wouldn't be tripping over it constantly, but you're so clueless that, rather than stopping your tantrum, you started screaming even louder. Your lack of self-awareness is rather pitiable, and at the rate you're going, your group can't keep cleaning after you forever. If the NWO wants to survive, they need to unshackle themselves from you before you drag them under, since ''the members who actually care about the group'' can plainly see that you're making it the laughingstock of the community with these temper tantrums. That's why Payne is here to try and smooth things over, but you're undermining his efforts and your group at every opportunity. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 03:26, 20 May 2013 (BST)


Greetings!! I am C Whitty of The Nobodies
Idk where you see this as a tantrum and I'm wondering why you're digging everything up you can get your hands on to humiliate me and "throw a tantrum like(in your own words) a precious infant and over exaggerate in the most dramatic way possible. As for throwing "my toys out the pram" I believe that those templates used for my recruitment campaign reflect perfectly on how it ended. I threw in some humor that obviously went over your head(I'm sooo sorry you don't find it funny). You're also just further pointing out actions that I have already highlighted for the sake of remembering. As for the "reusing a tired old image, flailing verbally" I'd like to point out that the use of those images aren't supposed to be taken as seriously as you have taken them. Just because you're in a group (like the philosophy knights) doesn't mean you can act like condescending supremacists. It doesn't feel so good when someone else does the same thing, does it? You're throwing threats around that pertain to a game Aichon, nobody is doing any clean up for my sake. Payne is a good person to have in my group and the community of the group. But from my experience thus far, the philosophy knights have given more reason for me and the group I started more reason not to trust them then they have to trust them. As for NWO being the laughingstock of the community, I'd like to say that NWO isn't even supposed to be taken as seriously as you're taking it. If someone gets a good chuckle out of our group then good! On the other hand, if it's the "point and laugh" deal that you're probably referring to, it's probably not us that has the problem. The only opportunity I could possibly see myself undermining is communication between a self righteous group run by a sysop who believes that PK holds the whole deck of cards. I also don't see why this is my mess alone as I was defending someone I viewed as a friend who was obviously upset.<br>
It takes two to tango Aichon. [[User:CyberOpposition|-.-]] 04:20, 20 May 2013 (BST)
:So, if I'm to understand you correctly, you were ''only joking'' and didn't actually mean to give anyone the finger or make Payne look like an ass by swapping out the template he used on various people's pages with one that looks like it was written by a petulant child? Come on, that's just the lazy man's excuse for poor behavior. To quote from one of my favorite sources, "Anyone who would trick someone and then say, 'I was only joking' is like a fool who shoots flaming arrows into the air and accidentally kills someone.” And, for my part, I'm neither throwing threats around nor am I Aichon. If you read a bit more carefully, you may be able to keep these things straight. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 05:18, 20 May 2013 (BST)
That's all you gotta say? a picture with a guy holding up a middle finger isn't a flaming arrow. You're using a different sig, I still consider you Aichon. I'm more than done with this conversation. [[User:CyberOpposition|-.-]] 05:48, 20 May 2013 (BST)


We are a fairly new PKER group looking to forge links with other similar groups, I would like to act as ambassador towards your group, is there a forum where we can discuss further?
But before I stop.... Fuck you kiddy infant hoe we don't need PKs support especially when you guys feel the right to determine who should leave a group and who shouldn't. Oh yeah that's right, I should just throw my hands up in da air and let you take command of my group, because then it'll be as successful and full up on assholes just like yours :D wheeeeeee [[User:CyberOpposition|-.-]] 06:17, 20 May 2013 (BST)


Alternatively please feel free to contact us at
:Cyber, I don't like you being rude. Didn't I ask you to stay out of this? [[User:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#90B818">Ayu</font></b>]] [[User talk:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#11B4BD">Milady</font></b>]] <sup><font face="Cambria">[[NWO|<font color="Silver">NWO</font>]] member</font></sup> 07:56, 20 May 2013 (BST)
:Aichon, you can't blame him for jumping in though. Foxlion and Squid Boy also jump into the convo. I don't care if they're also PK members. They're not KN. And no, even after 2 weeks, the convo isn't actually done. I just haven't got the time to reply. Then I did on May 17th 2013. [[User:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#90B818">Ayu</font></b>]] [[User talk:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#11B4BD">Milady</font></b>]] <sup><font face="Cambria">[[NWO|<font color="Silver">NWO</font>]] member</font></sup> 07:56, 20 May 2013 (BST)


http://z3.invisionfree.com/The_Nobodies/index.php?act=idx
it is time to stop this... cyber, please show mature and respect... --[[User:Anja Arnheim|Anja Arnheim]] 10:51, 20 May 2013 (BST)
:now that would be funny and a treat. never happen. - [[User:Sexualharrison/golam|<span style="border:solid 1px #af7817;padding:0px 1px;background-color:#e7dfce;color:#000;">'''אמת'''</span>]] <sup>[[Philosophe Knights|<span style="color:#af7817">PK</span>]]</sup>11:19, 20 May 2013 (BST)


I look forward to your response
:: Yeah, idk... I'll think about acting mature, but respecting The Philosophy knights? We see that sexualharrison needs to throw in his two cents and pretty soon we'll see every active member in PK comment here! But the last word will be mine I tell you! MIIIINE! (Sorry Ayu your thing turned into a bigger thing) [[User:CyberOpposition|-.-]] 16:38, 20 May 2013 (BST)


:Greetings and Salutations, C Whitty. The Knights appreciate your interest in a non-aggression proposal. We do not, however, kill for the sake of violence itself, so if there is no attack on our members, our allies or Knowledge, then there will be no aggression towards your group. As long as your people show the proper respect towards Centers of Learning and those of our Order, then you already have what you seek from us. Praise Knowledge!  --[[User:the Reverand Cyanide|Ov]] 6 June 2009 (EST)
::: Yeah, it is big. Look how many lines we all wrote for this. I think this should end here, Cy. I've told them my points of argument and it's up to them on how to deal with it. What's done is done. Besides, you do have better things to do as our Architect, don't you? Let's see.. the fast reply button in our forum isn't animated yet, I need you to change my ranks, Revenant reminds you in your talk page and etc. Surely this matter isn't as important. However, you can do whatever you want and I trust you to lead us to glory. And this revision of the topic will be my last --[[User:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#90B818">Ayu</font></b>]] [[User talk:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#11B4BD">Milady</font></b>]] <sup><font face="Cambria">[[NWO|<font color="Silver">NWO</font>]] member</font></sup> 18:01, 20 May 2013 (BST)


:[[Image:Stop hand.png|50px]] ''[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3APhilosophe_Knights&action=historysubmit&diff=2072579&oldid=2072577 Post] by {{usr|Paynetrain}} removed. Unless you are an authorised representative of the Philosophe Knights, do '''not''' be telling people where to go on '''our''' talk page.''<br/> Anja, you have my '''explicit''' permission to comment as you wish, but be advised that not all participants in this conversation are as civilised as we. {{User:Duke D'oeuvre/Sig}} 08:35, 21 May 2013 (BST)


::That could be a problem considering his PKer group only desires to kill The Fortress, an ally of yours that regularly resides inside school buildings. [[User:Sadore|Sadore]]
::Sorry for those harsh words, Anja. Umm.. I appreciate your attempt on stopping them. But you have no right to do so, unfortunately. And uh.. please leave Cyber alone. I'm sure you understand everybody need their space. Especially if you're not one of us. The space should be wider. Feel free to continue this conversation in Payne's or my user page. Thank you! --[[User:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#90B818">Ayu</font></b>]] [[User talk:Ayu Milady|<b><font color="#11B4BD">Milady</font></b>]] <sup><font face="Cambria">[[NWO|<font color="Silver">NWO</font>]] member</font></sup> 18:01, 20 May 2013 (BST)


== To even further delineate the situation ==
== Seriously out of hand ==
We here at the [[Chocolate Thunder]] believe there has been a simple misunderstanding of motives in this situation. I understand your organization is dedicated to the spread of knowledge and the murder of those who inhibit said spread; we understand this, and if you have read our page you probably know that we too punish blatant stupidity. Now, there is something you must understand, the murder of Godred in no way was an act of aggression towards Nation Library, nor was it intended to as an act of hate towards knowledge and said spread of it. The quest to murder Godred began because he had recalled the book of Nation Library, which the [[Chocolate Thunder]] believes is an act of selfishness and a type of greed in itself, and thus deserved punishment. If Godred hoarded the books, how could knowledge spread? We received your request over the radio waves that Godred not be killed and it was seriously considered; however, when Godred broadcast that insulting speech saying that we had checked out books on how to have gay sex, his fate was unfortunately sealed. It is a group law of the [[Chocolate Thunder]] that insolence towards the Chocolate Thunder be punished by death. In the same manner the Philosophe Knights strive to protect knowledge and the spread of it, the Chocolate Thunder must punish insolence towards the Chocolate Thunder. To rehash, Godred's death was not an act against Nation Library, the spread of knowledge, or knowledge itself, it was simply because he had insulted the CHocolate Thunder.


Now onto your requests. We at the [[Chocolate Thunder]] will respectfully refrain from killing in Lamport Hills, as you have so politely asked that we do so; however, I'm afraid we here at the Chocolate Thunder hold all graffiti walls as fair game for all groups and individuals. However, seeing as your group has been so needlessly polite to our new organization, the Thunder is willing to come to an agreement regarding the matter. Sincerely, The [[Chocolate Thunder]]
Ok things have seriously gotten fucked up and i want to stop all this shit before it escalates.I've managed to convince the NWO members that some of their actions were wrong and they have agreed to apologise for it and i have a feeling that some of the knights may have something to say too,maybe?I'm sorry i let this go on this far,i was caught up in real life problems.NWO members,if you please.....[[User:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="red">Payne</font>]][[User talk:Paynetrain|<font size="4" face="Matura MT Script Capitals" color="blue">Train</font>]]<sup>'''([[NWO]]/[[FU]])'''</sup> 13:51, 21 May 2013 (BST)
--[[User:Alevins|Alevins]] 03:51, 27 June 2009 (BST)


*Naturally, these requests are easily met. The [[Chocolate Thunder]] will refrain from tagging any building, cemetery, street, or structural entity otherwise within a three block radius of Southall Mansion, you have my word. Also, we have no quarrel with [[WHYTRY]], Zhempz was just disrespecting the Chocolate Thunder and required punishment, but thank you for your concern. We sincerely hope the [[Philosophe Knights]] and the [[Chocolate Thunder]] will continue to coexist without altercations as long as they occupy Malton together. --[[User:Alevins|Alevins]] 22:10, 28 June 2009 (BST)
btw i'm not the NWO leader,sorry if i gave that impression.lol
::*Unfortunately, we have had a rather serious run-in with [[WHYTRY]]. They invaded The [[Chocolate Thunder]]'s place of residence and slaughtered all of those sleeping there, to my knowledge. While I do not expect any reciprocal action on the part of the Philosophe Knights, I am simply alerting you of the current situation, as you seemed to have expressed interest in the [[WHYTRY]] predicament. --[[User:Alevins|Alevins]] 01:04, 2 July 2009 (BST)


== Recruitment Notice ==
:That is all well and good, and I can appreciate any attempt to restore civility. My suggestion would be to have anyone that was directly involved come forward themselves if they wish to apologize. If they do not wish to do so, that is their choice, though ultimately, it feels very insincere if somebody else has to come for them no? As such, I will simply add them to the list of people I wish not to associate with. Also, it is not so much that "you let this go on this far," as is it your place to suppress what your colleagues wish to say? If that is part of your job, then I feel a bit sorry for you as that must be a most tedious task. I've been content to sit and watch for a while now, but seeing an attempt to make peace, I will hear you out if nothing else. I didn't really desire to chime in as I had no real reason to since there seemed to be plenty of us that were willing to speak up. Anyway, I've said what I have to say and will await a response if there is to be one. Have a nice day. --{{User:Rohndogg1/AJ/Sig}} 22:50, 21 May 2013 (BST)


An advert for [[Chivalrous Sophists]] (from whose talk page I have been redirected) located at [[Chivalrous Sophists/Recruitment]] currently has a timestamp more than two months old. Please update it or the advert will be removed in two weeks. {{User:The_Rooster/Sig}} 18:57, 29 June 2009 (BST)
::Yeah ok, I'm sorry for acting childish. Calling people names and whatnot, I probably have a long list of things I didn't do right. But at the same time, treating Ayu like a child was not cool. Furthermore, having 5 Philosophy Knights trying to "educate" someone on the wiki and whilst doing so, somehow inviting everyone affiliated with The Player Killer Alliance and Philosophy Knights in for the trolling fun only shows more condescending behavior.(Ah, watching my words and being mature, see? I can definitely do that.) 
:Thank you for informing us. The timestamp has been updated. -{{User:Letitia/sig}}
::Now that this has been all done and said, I'm going to have to only wonder why there's no actual 3rd party perspective in these arguments to possibly offer any actual moderation and civility between our dispute(s). (Don't answer this if you're going to be a smart ass about it.)
::I'm also going to clarify that Payne isn't "Cleaning up" after anyone, I'm not doing this as a favor to him nor am I saying this to make my group look better than anybody else's. The funny thing is that Rohndogg1 wasn't(to my knowledge) part of these arguments but was one of the first people to comment on this. Thank you.
::Now, not everyone can be part of every single group on the wiki(don't see why anybody would with these choices), but being chastised because you're not in a specific group is not ok. Nobody likes it if they see their friend being talked to like a dip shit. You can reason explanations for what they did wrong, give them fair enough warning(that means reasonable) or walk them through problems. Not doing so and instead, taking drastic measures to point out fallacies that are unbeknownst without an affiliation is just plain cruel. But it doesn't stop there, members of PK knowingly and humiliatingly, prodded Ayu for a reaction. This lead to being fairly honest(and rude) to Aichon. This also lead to Vapor humiliating me on his forum and made some creative templates, to say the most of it. Vapor wasn't even part of these arguments so I don't see where he gets off at.  Vapors actions were followed by encouraging comments made by other users.(you know who you are).<
::I can be ignorant, childish, condescending, rude and hypocritical just like everyone else. (It's not hard when everyone around you is acting the same way)
::So there you have it, my apology for my actions, although not hard because I don't have too much to swallow.  ::[[User:CyberOpposition|-.-]] 08:29, 22 May 2013 (BST)
:::Well, allow me to shed some light on things. First, as I said, I was deliberately staying out of it for the sake of not increasing the drama surrounding the whole incident. I also don't spend as much time on the wiki to begin with. As such, I felt that I could be fairly impartial. That being said, I spoke up under the role of a Philosophe Knight myself, so I can not say I am truly a third party. <s>I simply do not have a fancy signature made to separate my personae. I'll have to fix that.</s> In any case, I think what we can all take away from this is that we don't need to come to someone's talk page and complain about something they did in game. If you have questions or a genuine concern then that's all well and good. Did every Knight need to chime in? No. Then again, not every one of us did or that page would've been much longer. But for those few that did speak up, I will not presume to tell them what they can or can not say. I will say, that the old saying about not feeding the trolls should apply here. Also, note that at first other than the statement "You mad?" the only thing on the talk page that was attacking was Ayu's own statements, and the remark that you made at QI. Foxlion was fairly polite, and then it started to go downhill.
:::In any event, I think that it's possible to move on here. I've no idea what my colleagues will say, but that's up to them. In the mean time, I think we should reflect on this whole situation and see what we can learn from it no? --{{User:Rohndogg1/AJ/Sig}} 17:05, 22 May 2013 (BST)
:::… “inviting”? Allow me to clue you in: '''''everything''' you do here is in full view of any and every interested member of the general public''. It behooves you to behave accordingly. {{User:Duke D'oeuvre/Sig}} 06:10, 23 May 2013 (BST)


== Accused of Ignorance ==
Hello Philosophes.  I have until very recently been a fan of your work, and generally supportive of your cause.  One of your newer members however accused and punished me for the crime of ignorance, a crime of which I believe myself to be innocent.  If Isaac Grey could provide proof of my ignorance so that it might be remedied, I would be appreciative.  If he cannot provide this proof, the removal of my name from your kill list, along with the correction of the capitalization error in Mr. Grey's profile and the replacement of the bounty link on his wiki page to his own Rogues Gallery page, instead of Noc II's, will suffice as apology.  Thank you.
--[[User:Bunkhumper|Bunkhumper]]
:Dear Sir, I am pleased to inform you that IG will not be asked to provide you with an apology. Your punishment was in good judgement.
:Why? You are a Death Cultist, belonging to a horde which, even now, is targeting <i>Schools</i>. To kill for the sake of eradicating life is a crime against Knowledge in itself. To specifically target Centers of Learning is unforgivable. Should any of those who wear the mask find you again, have no doubt that you will be returned to your preferred state of death. Your name will remain on our kill list, and perhaps the list of those who executed you shall grow, or perhaps the names of your colleagues will join your own. Your current leader ought to have his name there, but it seems that SN is lax when updating our list.
:However, we <i>shall</i> ask our members to be wary of capitalization errors, as well as make sure they have the correct links of their wiki pages. Thank you for alerting us to this.
:Consider your ignorant actions and the foolishness which is prevalent in so-called "Barhah". It is folly, and those who dedicate their existances to it are doomed to failure. Praise Knowledge. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 16:34, 30 June 2009 (BST)
::First I'll note that I didn't ask for an apology, I asked for an explanation of my ignorance, or three acts that would suffice as an apology.  Second, the staements regarding BARHAH are beyond the scope of this argument.
::Your explanation sounds like a cop-out to me.  The crime I was accused of was ignorance, not bad allegiances.  If Mr. Grey was exacting a punishment for a faction crime, he should have specified that as the reason instead of citing ignorance.  His given reason alone leads me to believe that his actions were not motivated as you described, but for some non-existent infraction he perceived.  If you feel he is unqualified to explain his own motivations in this instance, I can only hope that you will encourage him to be more precise in his future sentencing.  --[[User:Bunkhumper|Bunkhumper]] 14:55, 1 July 2009 (BST)
:::First I would like to thank you for remaining so civil. At this point many people begin accusing us of being Pseudo-Intellectual Morons, or tell us that we ought to kill ourselves for Ignorance.
:::And, yes, I noticed that you asked for proof of Ignorance, and in absence of that, you wanted a few things to be done in atonement. IG is welcome to add his own specific proof to my own, but I have already provided you with proof of Ignorance.
:::I find it interesting that you have examined our group and our policies well enough to know that Factional Crimes are different from Individual Crimes, yet you have not realized that Mass Ignorance means that every member which is part of that group is Guilty of Ignorance, and may be executed in that manner. Additionally, were you a lone Death Cultist, running around killing people in order to help whatever ferals or roaming horde might be around, you would <i>still</i> be punished for Ignorance. As I mentioned above, killing people for the advancement of the so-called future of the dead is an Ignorant act.
:::If you are expecting me to show you a screenshot of you committing an act of Ignorance, I can do that as well. [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/04-09-09_0100hrs_PUBLIC/IN_51-56__1eb-2f7-a8a.html For example], you [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/04-10-09_0400hrs_PUBLIC/IN_55-47__fa1-6ba-918.html kill people] who [http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/04-10-09_0400hrs_PUBLIC/IN_55-47__034-e3c-23f.html live in Ridleybank].
:::Additionally, I respectfully disagree with you when you say that the concept of Barhah is not relevant in this discussion. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 22:04, 1 July 2009 (BST)
==A little heads up==
I do not consider myself being a Philosophe Knight anymore, so if you would be so kind to remove me from your member page (i am X the squire) - [[User:Rotticus|rotticus]] 14:17, 28 September 2009 (BST)
:Consider yourself removed.  -[[User:The Reverand Cyanide|Ov]] 29 September 2009
::Due to the fact that someone reinvited me into Philosophes (DT, check my talk page) i'd just like to ask from you folks to reactivate my account on your forums, username is Rotticus, as always. - [[User:Rotticus|rotticus]] 01:09, 15 October 2009 (BST)


== Question: ==
== Another Crowbankian war ==


What would you do to a zombie who breaks down the barricades of a library and says "Mrh"? [[User:John Ibans|John Ibans]] 05:15, 3 October 2009 (BST)
Revered knights, I write this message to inform you that there is another war going on in Crowbank. This is the background: 2012 High lord Jerden laid claim to Crowbank, late 2012 to early 2013 we were fighting The Spanish Inquisition who wanted us gone. While they got the most kills they still accepted a truce in which they accepted Jerden's claim to Crowbank.
:Post script: The two major schools of thought on the mind are monism and dualism. Monism states that either the mind or the body exists, but not both, and dualism states that both exist, but varying people disagree on exactly what controls which, and to what extent. What are your thoughts on the mind/body problem framed as such? I would consider myself primarially materalistic, I think the mind is simply an expression created to explain the fact that humans have a higher neural processing power, and does not exist as anything aside from an explanation. I look forward to whoever answers both questions. [[User:John Ibans|John Ibans]] 06:13, 3 October 2009 (BST)
::In regards to the Zombie: Much would depend on the style of play of the Knight in question. Personally, I would check for Rot (if present, the answer is Headshot), then research any group affiliations (if an enemy or Ignorant, the same answer as before: Headshot).  If all seems to indicate a survivor seekeing a revive to continue assisting the survivor cause, I would revive them. If the zombie in question turned out to have used a Center of Learning for nefarious purposes, I would hunt and 'educate' them repeatedly in both their breathing and unbreathing forms.  This answer, of course, is under the assumption that I have syringes with me.  As for your desired philosophical debate, I would suggest visiting our forums, where many Knights will give answers and opinions.  As your statement is based on the views of Western cultures, ignoring what is often called continental philosophy, I would like to see more than just my opinion given in response. Have a good day and Praise Knowledge! [[User:the Reverand Cyanide|Ov]]  October 07, 2009


== Caiger Mall ==
Now, the considerably larger yet not as experienced group UD Fark has shown up, we quickly saw a connection between their appearance and the increase of rebellious activities such as regicritical graffitti and overcading of entrypoints. A successful impersonation by an unknown player over the radio then lit the flame in the barrel and there is now an all out war in Crowbank once again.


:I must commend you on your efforts there, despite being on the other side of the conflict. Good job to all of you PKers currently out there. I've read most of the works of Friedrich Nietzsche, Machiavelli, Plato and other more or less known philosophers. I've followed your group for some time, I like what you do despite not agreeing with the methods you use. Stupidity and ignorance are in the very least annoying. So I see you as a sort of "minimum IQ enforcer", which is all good in my book in a some kind of wicked way ;). Lately, however it is disappointing - your members kill smart, useful survivors. Definitely not the sort you guys would hunt. I've also seen your members kill in the library one south from SE corner of Caiger (which as far as I know of your policies, is forbidden place to kill). Don't ask me for proof - I am not here to whine nor I pay normally attention to PKers in general. So I was just wondering what alleviates you nowadays from regular PKers that kill for fun? Like I said, I am not here to throw accusations, just have a little civil chat, say hi and that's it.  
While we are dominating the conflict (7 - 1 with 3 JRC members compared to 15 Farkers) we would like to  point out that any help from your scholars in this area would be greatly appreciated.


:At any rate with the ferals, Pkers and likely MoB coming to Darvall Heights, we are probably going to lose the battle. But I must say it's a nice diversity to be fighting humans as well as zombies the same time.
As always we strive for good relations with PK groups the knights in particular, they are all welcome in Crowbank as long as Crowbank citizens not on the wanted list goes safe. (This is to maintain control of Crowbank, the empire of PKers)


:Best regards from the [[SoC]],
Sincerely and respectfully
:Cortonna or [[User:DarthRevan|DarthRevan]] 07:32, 5 October 2009 (BST)
--[[User:Leiter|Leiter]] 18:08, 31 August 2013 (BST)
:i think i might drop by. --[[User:Sexualharrison/golam|<span style="border:solid 1px #af7817;padding:0px 1px;background-color:#e7dfce;color:#000;">'''אמת'''</span>]] <sup>[[Philosophe Knights|<span style="color:#af7817">PK</span>]]</sup> 19:03, 31 August 2013 (BST)
::Well, I daresay that אמת's assistance alone ought to be enough to keep these..."Farkers" facedown. I wish Jerden and his supporters the best, and hope that they take good care of Crowbank's Centers of Learning. Good luck, and Praise Knowledge. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 17:07, 1 September 2013 (BST)


::Salutations Cortonna, I agree with you that it has been a blast fighting against the citizens of the Caiger Mall & it's good to know that our efforts to "educate" the population of Malton has not been lost on those such as yourself.  Although I take issue with the idea that we are only a group of "minimum IQ enforcers", I'll drop that for now.  We're sorry you feel disappointed in our choices of late on who & who not to punish.  But I would be willing to bet that you have only seen a small portion of those we've dealt with as of late.  Many of those slain by our Order recently would be worthy of your condemnation I can assure you.  As for the possible killings that took place in a Center of Learning.  I can not personally attest to whether that did or did not happen because I was not witness to it nor was I involved in such a slaying.  But, should a known enemy be found within the walls of a COL we will attack.  The COL Policy clearly states this as shown below.
==Great Suburb Group Massacre 2013==


{{Centers of Learning Policy}}
I'm a volunteer helping to do some janitorial work on the suburb pages of the wiki. As part of that, we're double-checking in which suburbs each group is active. Currently, you're listed in one or more suburbs, in addition to using a radio frequency. If you would like to continue being listed, then please respond within the next month with the radio frequency you are using and a list of every suburb where you are currently active. If we don't hear back from you or we can't get the information we need, we'll be removing you from the lists, but you're welcome to re-add yourself later. If you have any questions, feel free to visit our informational page. Thanks. {{User:RadicalWhig/sig}} 13:07, 25 October 2013 (BST)
:East Boundwood and Lamport Hills. If we're listed elsewhere, I suspect it would be because our students listed us when they received an education, rather than it being a case of us declaring ourselves as being there. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 15:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)


::The person you allegedly saw disciplined in the library could have been killed because they executed a member of our Order, hindered our actions in some way or another in the past or slandered our causes at one time or another.
== My dear PKnights ==
I do so enjoy the professionalism with which you conduct your operations. Perhaps we could settle the matter of McCloud's Pub in the way gentlemen used to according to the Code Duello of 1777? To wit, I have issued a challenge that I believe to be unique to Malton. I have preserved it for you here:
Malton's first duel (I think!):


::I hope that answers your questions completely. As always, Praise Knowledge. --[[User:Sir WV|Sir WV]] 05:20, 6 October 2009 (BST)
http://iamscott.net/1384481074571.html


:Thank you for the civil responce, it answers all my questions completely. Well I don't think of you as only "minimum IQ enforcers" although that's one aspect about you that I like. At any rate your efforts and that of the ferals have payed off and Caiger has fallen. I don't know your future plans so if you achieved your goal and are moving away I wish you farewell and good luck in enlightening Malton. If not and you stay, then we shall probably meet on the battlefield. While your group is technically an enemy of the [[SoC]] since your agenda currently helps to distabilize a region we seek to restore and reestablish, it's always nice to know that your enemy has the ability to talk maturely and politely. Unfortunately some of our enemies lack in that department. I wish you good hunting, hopefully we will meet again with your group and perhaps personally with you in game Sir WV.
http://iamscott.net/1384481098893.html


:Sincerely,
http://iamscott.net/1384481124356.html
:Cortonna [[User:DarthRevan|DarthRevan]] 07:38, 6 October 2009 (BST)


==Hi==
http://iamscott.net/1384481249808.html


{{orphan}}
I shall await your response as outlined in the challenge. Also, I fully understand that the current state of hostilities supersedes the challenge, so you all are in no way bound by any truce currently should I get hit waiting for your response (moreover, please do not take this to be a cease fire in any sense- I should feel terrible if you folks got sniped while stopping in to chat, so keep that most skillful guard of yours up). I can think of no classier opponent for what may be a Malton first.
Regards,
--[[User:Belisarius17|Belisarius17]] 02:34, 15 November 2013 (UTC)


*[[Philosophe Knights/Hall of Ignorance]]
:My, what an interesting proposition. You shall have our answer shortly. --{{User:KN/sig}} 17:13, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
:As per the terms of the Code, we would have you name publicly the offense for which you desire to hold us to account. We cannot very well answer a challenge to our honor if the challenger does not first make clear the offense, and I am not aware of any offense in the matters related to McCloud's Pub. A duel is not to be taken lightly. If there is no offense, then there is no cause for a duel. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 04:58, 17 November 2013 (UTC)


Praise Knowledge! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 17:43, 6 October 2009 (BST)
== Roftwood Block Party ==


:This is not, in fact, a page which relates to the Group as a whole. It belongs to Blessed R, one of our members, as it is his out-of-date kill-list. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:30, 8 October 2009 (BST)
I'd like to formally invite the Philosophe Knights to participate in the Block Party scheduled for July 15 until August 15, 2014 in Roftwood.  The event is open to everyone, where we will try to relive the glory days of UD and bring as many people together as possible to have an enjoyable time.  [[Block_Party|This page]] will give you the run down, but there aren't really any specific goals other than fun.  As a group, we hope the event will provide <s>a recruiting opportunity, as well as, some excitement for your current members</s> an opportunity to educate some of Malton. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the event talk page or on my talk page. Praise Knowledge! --<sub>[[User:Kirsty_cotton|<span style="color: lightgrey">K</span>]]</sub> 17:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)


::Thanks DT. I'll contact him, in the meantime [[Philosophe Knights/Recruitment]] also needs linking. Apparently inclusions don't count! --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 13:27, 14 October 2009 (BST)
== What's it Like? ==


I have to ask, do you just go about your business, keep in secret, or what? I mean you all can't act smart all of the time. Or do you just kill and then let bygones be bygones? What happens when a Philosophe Knight accidentally acts stupid for a moment? Is it like "I-I didn't mean to I swe--" "You know what has to happen." --- <sub>[[User:Alex Yamata|<span style="width: 50%; border: 2px solid black; background-color: #8d2373; text-align: justify; box-shadow: 2px 2px 5px silver; padding: 2px 5px 2px 5px; color: white; font-size:smaller;">Alex Yamata</span>]]</sub> <sup><span style="width: 50%; border: 1px solid black; background-color: #8d2373; text-align: justify; box-shadow: 2px 2px 5px silver; padding: 2px 5px 2px 5px; color: white; font-size:smaller;">Pres/CEO</span></sup> <sub>[[Hyper-Umbrella Corporation|<span style="width: 50%; border: 2px solid black; background-color: #8d2373; text-align: justify; box-shadow: 2px 2px 5px silver; padding: 2px 5px 2px 5px; color: white; font-size:smaller;">HYPER-UMBRELLA</span>]]</sub> <sup>[[Project Wiki Patrol|<span style="color: Black">P!</span>]]</sup> 21:38, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
:As you suggested, we are not perfect. I'm reminded of the proverb:
:{{IndentQuote|author=Proverbs 17:28|text=''Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;<br />When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.''}}
:As such, we need merely cloak ourselves in silence when our wits are not about us. Others would be well advised to do likewise. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 01:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)


==Hello my old friends==
== PK Really Lacks Logic ==


I just thought I would stop by to let you know I was PK'ed by one of your members today.[http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/10-23-09_0100hrs_PUBLIC/OUT_75-29_Killed_by_P_Kni_307-39f-d6e.html]
So I heard you con sider H-UC to be ignorant? That's hilarious. You all are really becoming zealots, aren't you? Well I consider the PK group to be self-righteous bastards, they wouldn't know intelligence if it hit them in the face. Ignorance breeds knowledge, dumbasses.This has to be the most truthful thing I've ever said, for even the fact they don't even know us to call us ignorant.


As you most likely know I [[user:Roland|Roland]] do not take kindly to this sort of thing.
Don't bother labeling me ignorant for insulting you, don't even call it brave. I still keep in contact with my friends but when you act bigoted without even understand something to make it personal against one of my own friends, that is pathetic. Now you can keep killing Miyajima, unlike me, he really doesn't care how much the game is dying nor does he care about himself getting killed. I would have that after long enough he'd of stripped the group name since I left the wiki, but he's still keeping it. What do you think that means?


I have ran into many a Knight in the past few months and harmed no one. My days with the [[FoD]] are over and have been for some time.
As for me, I haven't stood up in UD since the last time I died.... which would probably be accurate to my last post I made here on the wiki, not this post. What are you going to do, poke my body? I doub t you'd even be able to find it. Anywaaaay, have fun labeling people. I've no more reason to talk to you! Buh-bye now <3 --- <sub>[[User:Alex Yamata|<span style="width: 50%; border: 2px solid black; background-color: #8d2373; text-align: justify; box-shadow: 2px 2px 5px silver; padding: 2px 5px 2px 5px; color: white; font-size:smaller;">Alex Yamata</span>]]</sub> <sup><span style="width: 50%; border: 1px solid black; background-color: #8d2373; text-align: justify; box-shadow: 2px 2px 5px silver; padding: 2px 5px 2px 5px; color: white; font-size:smaller;">Pres/CEO</span></sup> <sub>[[Hyper-Umbrella Corporation|<span style="width: 50%; border: 2px solid black; background-color: #8d2373; text-align: justify; box-shadow: 2px 2px 5px silver; padding: 2px 5px 2px 5px; color: white; font-size:smaller;">HYPER-UMBRELLA</span>]]</sub> <sup>[[Project Wiki Patrol|<span style="color: Black">P!</span>]]</sup> 14:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
:We know you, we know your group, and I would suggest you had no reason to talk to us in the first place, given that you didn't actually communicate anything at all. It's quite clear that it's ''you'' who do not know ''us''. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 15:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
:I am so happy this message happened {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/a}} 10:42, 19 December 2015 (UTC)


DT are you still around old man!?  hehe
== PK forum. ==


Take care Knights
it down?--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>09:57, 19 December 2015 </small>
: Just happened to see this message, I was able to log into the forum but the problem may have been already been fixed.  --{{User:Mazu/sig}}  21:34, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
::It's been up and down a few times in the last few weeks. Might just be issues with renewing the registration and/or making back-end changes. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 15:44, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
:::so sick of the bandwidth limit.--{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>02:07, 19 December 2016 </small>
::::this is getting embarrassing. --{{User:Sexualharrison/sig}}<small>01:28, 29 January 2017 </small>


--[[User:Roland|Roland]] 01:52, 23 October 2009 (BST)
=={{grr}}==
:It probably won't happen again, Puki, you young scamp. Pardon our zeal, and Praise Knowledge! --{{User:DT/Signature}} 02:35, 28 October 2009 (UTC)


==To whom it may concern==
Get back in your big house. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 22:23, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 
:You rang? {{User:VI/Si}} 00:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
Recently I found myself killed by a member of yours, Vigilis (http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=981082). A screen capture of the event can be found at http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/9973/vigilis.png. I simply ask what crime I have committed, that has warranted such a response. I am on no PK lists (either to be, or as), and cannot think of an act of ignorance that I have committed, other than ignorance as to why I have been killed.
::The thing about calling is...you never quite know who will pick up. {{User:Aichon/Psig}} 01:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 
Yours,
[[User:Captain Neil Johnson|Captain Neil Johnson]]
:Citizen, you, along with the other occupants of Nichols Mall and greater Stanbury Village, have been found guilty of the crime of [[Philosophe_Knights/Policies|ignorance]]. Ignorance is the swamp of shadow through which all humankind must wade, and each one of us make do battle with this darkness continually or sink beneath the surface. It is no act for which you have been killed, but the act you have not made. Go out, forget for a moment about the trivialities of survival, and return from death not to the mall, but to the forgotten doors of a library, or the decayed halls of a museum. Study, learn, and remember the guttering light of curiosity that still flutters in the candle of your soul. We are not here to punish, but to teach — to teach man to teach himself. {{User:VI/S}} 16:00, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::Poignant, but that doesn't actually answer my questions, unless you think that the presence in a mall is enough to posit ignorance... {{unsigned|Captain Neil Johnson}}
:::Dude, have you ever been to a mall? Come on. --{{User:Paddy Dignam/sig}} 17:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
::::The group you command, Malton Special Forces, proclaims an intolerant stance towards Player Killing. This makes you a potential threat and is reason enough for execution. Presence in a mall during a time when the Order is actively prowling the Village is also enough to posit ignorance; If you were passing through or restocking, you simply had the misfortune of getting caught in our frag pattern. --[[User:Henry Baltimore|Henry Baltimore]] 14:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 
== Impostors! ==
 
How dare you impersonate the [[Phoolosphy Kneets]]? I demand recompense. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:01, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:Who fixed that link? How dare you undo my incompetence? I demand recardiganse --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 19:21, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
: :P .--{{User:Yonnua Koponen/signature‎}} 19:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
::Are you complaining about our membership slaughtering your membership, Karl? No? Well then, sir, I see no reason for you to be sending us messages here. I distinctly recall giving specific instructions as to [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Philosophe_Knights&diff=1628690&oldid=1626747 the circumstances of your continued correspondence].
::As to allegations of fraud and impersonation of the ancient sect of Phoolosophic Kneetism, we release no comment.
::As to charges of mass murder, conspiracy to overthrow existing governing bodies, theft of government and private property, four counts of torture, serial competence, and one count of littering: No Comment. --{{User:DT/Signature}} 21:19, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Aha! I didn't see that. >.> --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 22:40, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 
== The Great Suburb Group Massacre 2010 ==
 
{{Group Active!}}
Periodically, groups are checked for activity in order to clean the inactive groups from the suburb pages. We'd appreciate it if you could confirm your activity in the game. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:38, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:Ok, and given that I'm a member as well, I'll go ahead and confirm for us too. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 23:38, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 
==Simply inquiring...==
Specifically about why I was [http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa195/Alevins5/Plumnoir.jpg killed] here, minding my own business by one of your people. Generally I expect citizens of knowledge such as yourselves to sufficiently explain why they are plotting to kill me. It's what separates us from people like WHYTRY, who PK without a cause. Apparently at one time or another I must have insulted PlumNoir; however, he/she must hold quite a grudge! Because I surely do not rememeber ever coming in contact with him/her. Nonetheless, I believe an explanation (more sufficient than a random number and a *sigh*) would clear up this mirky coincedence of conflicts of interest. --[[User:Alevins|Alevins]] 23:05, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
:The truth is, an explanation should have been given. The error is not corrected unless the way is shown. Knowledge is not imparted through action alone - the ignorant do not learn through ''forneart agus forneart aonarach''. The key to wisdom lies in the word, ''sa an fhocal''. Personal contact ''leis an Ridire Fealsúnacht'' should yield results. Approach the forum and lodge an inquiry therein. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 01:47, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
::An explanation ''was'' given, from what I see. After a little digging, I have discovered that his profile, which he seems to have forgotten serves as one aspect of his identity, currently reads as, "Madness? THIS, IS, MALTON!!! *kicks you pretty dang hard in the chest*". While I am not a fan of the source material, even I can recognize from where he has derived such a quote. How then does he, as the author of his own profile, fail to grasp the connection between the "random number" and the description he wrote? Ignorance heaped upon ignorance. The death seems warranted. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 06:52, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:::Hmm. It seems as if I had forgotten my own profile description. Regardless, should I find Plumenoir again, I'm sure I can conjure some equally ridiculous justification to murder without purpose as did he. Perhaps his black hair and dark eyes offend me! He's obviously not an Aryan, and therefore is deserving of punishment (i.e. death). I suppose that is the sort of reasoning that allows higher-level thinkers such as the PKs to fall to the level of plumenoir. But then again, I guess you cannot ''really'' expect a member of the 'cheap ass survivors' to be that respectable, can you? I'm surprised you even tolerate him. People do not expect someone such as myself to uphold a sort of moral standard or really have a reason for doing anything, but when you're a member of the Philosophe Knights one tends to imagine that you're something special, someone who is "better," should I say, than the average citizen. I suppose this is not true in every case, as has been so utterly proven to me. --[[User:Alevins|Alevins]] 07:25, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
 
== Hello, fellow scholars. ==
 
While we only kill other survivors if absolutely necessary, we at [[The Survivor's Republic]] do understand and agree with your belief that knowledge is precious. We also agree that the [[Department of Emergency Management]] is nothing but a bunch of vile and idiotic liars and buffoons. As such, we were wondering if perhaps you would like to form a diplomatic agreement of sorts with our groups.
My sincerest apologies if I sounded pretentious or unwittingly insulted anyone.--[[User:Sean Connolly|Sean Connolly]] 06:51, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 
== Krinks ==
 
Hi Philosophe, <br />
As you know, conflicts end in either a victory of one side, or the destruction of both, (or they do not end, but grind to a temporary halt, after which they will erupt again).<br />
Regarding your plan to exterminate the battle of Krinks, might I present you a dilemma: <br />
If you go the easy road you will move in to Krinks and kill all. With that you will not kill all sides, but you will be the lever that will bring victory to the NSU, who are currently hiding, an have actually already lost. <br />
If you are planning to use a 'steamroller tactic', you will only kill people on the side who defend Krinks against the NSU. If you are serious about squashing this, you will hunt down the NSU as vigorously as you will come in and ravage the place we call home. <br />
However, if you do this, and squash both sides, you will only create a clean slate on which the NSU can renew their claims, and start the battle anew. <br />
You have glanced over the 'debate' between the NSU and the others. The NSU has a weak, uneducated and -to be frank- ignorant way of practicing rhetoric. They have lost the battle of arguments, and they have lost the battle of force as well. Therefor, your actions to educate Krinks will mean the renewal of something that had already finished. <br />   
Your actions will in all likelihood mean that a conflict in which one side was utterly defeated, will be brought back to life. The unintended consequences need to be thought through before action is taken. <br /> 
Dialectically yours,
--[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 07:49, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 
<br/>
:'''Is this really a I fight you want to have?'''
<br/> --[[User:Martino|Martino]] 22:49, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 
:Martino I suggest you never post that image on this wiki page ever again. I dislike Nazi's, Zergs and Drama Queens so don't force yourself to the top of the list.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 23:31, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
::It is not a question of drama queen. It was just to remind that this can look just a inconsequential computer game. But the fact is that behind the NSU group is a real person who actually supports nazi ideals. And in real life nazi ideals lead to that. You can close your eyes, pretend to be very disgusted by the images, pretend you don't know. But the thing is: this happened, you cannot look away, you cannot pretend it didn't happen. That would be a major crime against historical knowledge. Or your "Praise knowledge" is just words? So let us kill the nazi and then we'll go away. Our job is difficult already. But necessary. --[[User:Martino|Martino]] 14:15, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 
 
::: Do not be so arrogant and highly ignorant to assume you know anything about my ideals and goals. Do not be so ignorant to assume  that you are the only group that has taken conflict against Nazi groups.  For your ignorance you will be treated as all others.--[[User:Rapture|Rapture]] 20:14, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 
 
 
Philistine Knaves,
In a previous message a scenario on the effect of your action in the Krinks was presented. It boiled down to this: <br />
1. You would come to Krinks, kill all. <br />
2. This would disturb the power balance in the conflict between the nazi NSU and the defenders of Krinks Power Station. <br />
3. Following the decimation of the survivors in Krinks, the nazi NSU would take over, and you would have played the role of battering ram for the nazi NSU.  <br />
 
What has happened so far? You have killed four, and maybe five survivors of Krinks. The defenses of the plant are down. You accomplished for the NSU what they would never have managed on their own. It took the NSU more than two weeks to kill four of us. After being utterly defeated the NSU have suddenly regained momentum. <br />
As Philosophes you understand there is no such thing as neutrality. Your praxis has been one of leveling the playing field. In effect this meant destroying the defending coalition, and aiding the nazi NSU. Even if you kill the nazi once, the damage done to the defenders has been far greater. The NSU has no gennies to refuel, barricades to rebuild, friends to heal, transmitters to repair. He just gets up and continues his killing spree. <br />
I ask you to divert your attention, and not take the easy road of only killing sitting ducks, as you have done so far.
--[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 19:29, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 
=='''[[Battle of Krinks]]'''==
'''[[EVIL]]''' is interested in working with the Philosophe Knights to help end this conflict. Is there anyway that we could work with you in this? -{{User:Poodle_of_doom/signiture}} 23:21, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
 
== /* The 21st of March 2010 */ ==
 
Philistines,
 
As you can see in the page on the [[Battle of Krinks]], the NSU has claimed victory. From beginning to end, my prediction on the consequences of your actions have come true. I wonder who is the ignorant and uneducated one here. Making an analysis of the balance of forces is not too difficult, but apparently too much for your "Philosophe" brains to handle.
 
That you were able to bring victory to the NSU on this [http://www.hrea.org/index.php?doc_id=975 symbolic date] is especially disturbing. I am sure you did this in good faith, which makes it even worse than when you had done it on purpose. 
 
Sarcastically yours,
 
--[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 20:42, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 
:The supposed victor in your squabble does not concern us. The debacle itself is the ignorance we have quashed, a petty dispute with more squawktalking than action. Proscribing a motive beyond the silencing of a chorus of chirps is folly. The truly educated should be familiar with the doctrine of scorched earth, a strategem used by men of greater stature than yourself to defeat actual Nazis. That we should intervene and raze a contested structure to the ground should be a blessing to you, an echo of a genuine conflict between better soldiers than yourselves. Praise knowledge. {{User:Misanthropy/Sig}} 20:57, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
:: It is spelled stratagem. You scorched it '''for''' the NSU. The PKs did not even touch a member of the NSU once. We're not soldiers, merely civilians maintaining a power station. I now understand why you need to praise knowledge so much. Like in every religion an unreachable object is praised. For you knowledge is unreachable. --[[User:Zyckde|zyckde]] 21:25, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
:::You were like children bawling and waving your fists over a ball. We took it and placed it on the top of a garbage can. You can take it back when you want, hopefully without whining. I regret to see you have not gained any wisdom from this event. Instead of recognizing your own seething ignorance and moving on, you have chosen to... continue balling your fists and whining. [[User:John Ibans|John Ibans]] 21:43, 21 March 2010 (UTC)
 
:::As Nietzsche would explain, men of greater stature can surpass the need for shackles such as those with which you constrain yourself. That you seek to fetter us as yourself merely indicates the extent of your ignorance. Whether one side or the other "wins" is no concern of ours. That said, I can assure you, we did not scorch it for the the benefit of one side or the other, but rather for the benefit of all. Your failure to recognize the freedom and release we have offered you is somewhat disturbing. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:53, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

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An inquiry as to the Knight's stance regarding The Escape

I have been observing the unfolding events and mass migration initiated by the new group The Escape; my curiosity was piqued as to how an elite, influential group as the Philisophes would adjucate such actions, if at all. I suppose thier myopic plan will come to a head and they will have to initiate the Plan B/Lemming Offensive and wipe themselves out, rescinding action from any external groups. Just a pondering. All the best to the true Knights of Malton. MikhailI don't have to be careful, I've got a gun.Kalashnikov разговор 06:52, 23 May 2010 (BST)

I am not personally involved in operations in that area, but I believe, to put it simply, we've been shooting them. CITIZEN VI 19:22, 25 May 2010 (BST)

Recruitment

Concerning your group advert on the Category:Recruitment page, you may be interested to know that a vote is currently underway concerning the duration of time adverts can be reserved by a given timestamp. Your input is welcomed, and it should be known that if this vote passes you will need to update your adverts on a at least a monthly basis, not a two-monthly basis. Thanks. Nothing to be done! 00:46, 25 July 2010 (BST)

Between you, myself, and some of the others with the Knights, I'm sure we have the situation well in hand. IV PK 01:01, 25 July 2010 (BST)

Special Invitation

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He who is hated by all can not expect to live long. -Pierre Corneille



You are herby cordially invited to attend EVIL's first ever Rage in a Cage match. Please reserve your spot today by clicking here and starting a new topic. If you choose not to attend the event, we ask that you inform us of this decision as well.

Upon receiving this invitation, you are asked to forward it on, in its entirety, to five (5) PKer groups of your choosing. We hope to see you at the event!!


Your Brothers in Arms,
EVIL



-∞ Poodle of Doom ∞ 01:06, 3 August 2010 (BST)

...a...chain letter? IV PK 03:10, 3 August 2010 (BST)
Uh,... not really. You know why? Because if you don't post it at least five times, absolutly nothing will happen. It's only a chain letter if something bad will happen if you don't post it. -∞ Poodle of Doom ∞ 03:17, 3 August 2010 (BST)

Dr Dempsky

Just curious, is this chap one of yours? He claims to be. It's quite possible he is, I just wanted to cross-reference, since I, frankly, don't want to get any of your chaps in trouble (since I think you're pretty damn neat, even if it should not be mutual). -pinkgothic 22:19, 7 September 2010 (BST)

He is, though he is still learning our ways as a student. IV PK 22:31, 7 September 2010 (BST)
Thanks for the swift response - I'll tell people to paws-off, then.
Just for context: I figure my profile invites for you guys to snipe me (I've historically plastered myself with claims of ignorance; but that's simply because I figure there's always room to learn, and since I'm a very casual player, this is unfortunately rare), so I'm not surprised it happened. A bit jarred it would be done while Yagoton is still struggling to rebuild itself and we can use people to up the 'cades, but I suppose in a zombie apocalypse, there's never really a good time.
Either way, happy hunting.
-pinkgothic 22:43, 7 September 2010 (BST)

Hello pinkgothic,

I've set up a wiki page, so should now be identifiable. Your 5 HP were, um, tempting, in terms of low hanging fruit, and in any event, I only had one shotgun round left. Good luck with Yagoton. I'd like to see the libraries restored there. Let's aim for "room to learn" all around. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dempsky (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

5 is a holy number. Your deed was blessed by the Goddess. Hail Discordia! ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 03:04, 9 September 2010 (BST)

A Query

As a scholar, I find it imperative to know your stance towards Delta Kilo One Three. If you have no objections, I offer this agreement: if you pledge to take no action within our protected area, we pledge to not seek you out. Our numbers are as vast as our group is historic, and it is to your advantage to work with us.

In short: for as long as you do not attack anybody in our territory, we will grant you asylum.

Leafy Greens 21:50, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

As a scholar, I find it imperative to know what the ratio between 'historic' and 'vast' is. The comparison is rather vague. Veiled threats will get you nowhere. Should we ever find ourselves facing your 'vast' numbers, I doubt any of us will be intimidated in the slightest.
As for our stance in regards to DK13, you are as many groups are in this city: a collection of fools of varying degrees of severity, and doubtless a few wise individuals as well. You are hardly alone in this, and individual members of your group will doubtless end up punished by our members if they do not seek to enlighten themselves.
However, we are far less likely to find DK13 guilty of Factional Crimes if you sever all relations with the Zerger which makes up the 'group' Dragonhead, as well as the zergers who make up 'Bigger Mortice'. We have been known to assault people who give Zergers assistance.
...And unless your group provokes us to the point where we are forced to declare you all enemies of Knowledge, Centers of Learning will provide your members with a safe asylum from ours.
Thank you for your time, Mr. Greens, and Praise Knowledge. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 23:39, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
As our clan's page states, the group was created on the second day after the outbreak. We are the oldest recorded survivor group. Partially as a result, our numbers have grown to the extent that we cannot accurately keep track of everyone working with us.
As for your third statement, I apologise for any confusion. I did not intend for my writing to be interpreted as a threat. I meant that we might assist you if you agree, not that we would attack you if you didn't. I had no intention to insinuate that we would attack you if you did not accept. That is a foolish and lowly tactic used only by the weak and insecure.
Being learned men, I am sure that you will understand where I am coming from when I say this, but we will require definitive proof before disassociation with any group. If you can provide evidence sufficient to convince my superiors, then I see no reason to continue relations with the aforementioned groups.
Leafy Greens 16:41, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I would have hoped that a group would take allegations of being associated with zergers seriously enough that they would immediately research the matter themselves and take action, rather than waiting for others to spoon feed the evidence to them. Nevertheless, I'll make this a bit easier for you. Searching for "Dragonhead" on Resensitized yields this evidence as the very first result. Bigger Mortice has been recognized as a zerg and has been zerg listed for years now, so the original evidence does not appear to be on the current iteration of Resensitized, but I'm sure you could track it down if you tried. IV PK 23:32, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I personally would, but I'm not the leader of DK13. I'm just a diplomat.
Leafy Greens 04:24, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Admin stuff

Praise Knowledge is currently up on the deletions page. It's not really a glossary article and too short to really justify keeping it in the main namespace. Would you like it kept as one of your subpages or are you quite happy for it to be deleted? -- Cheese 16:33, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Good Day, Sirs!

Hello, as most of you already know, I'm DevilAsh, the wee annoying one from over at Red Rum. I'm just here to let you know (even though I have access to your forums) that in response to The Big Prick's Mall Tour, we've started up our very own, The Big Red Vasectomy Tour. Our reasoning behind this is simple: The Big Prick are locking away knowledge from the greater people of Malton, and we just cannot allow that. We would love for you to join us, especially since we share the same intellectual pursuit in the matter. All the best, --Ash  |  T  |  яя  | 15:21, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Great Suburb Group Massacre 2011

Check-Mark-Reviewed.jpg Group Confirmed.
This group was confirmed active. Thank you for your reply.


If you could fulfil this request to further the wiki as a bastion of knowledge that would be splendid.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 22:09, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Lamport Hills, East Boundwoood, Yagoton, and Millen Hills see a consistent presence of Philosophe Knights. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 16:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks.--Yonnua Koponen Talk ! Contribs 19:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Invitation

Your group is rather difficult to contact. I'd wager your forum administrator is on vacation.

I'd like to invite the all Knights to part take in Section 13's "BRAINS!!!" contest. This is a role play / writing contest just for the hell of it. The winner will be dubbed "Zombie Overlord. The themes will concentrate on UD inspired stories, or Zombie fiction and writers have free reing on their choice of format.

Deadline for submissions is Friday March 26th for the first round.

Please register an account on our forums and check out the thread titled BRAINS!!! for full details, or click the following link to go straight there.

http://z3.invisionfree.com/S13_Command/index.php?showtopic=222

Respectfull,


Jack S13 T! PC 15:03, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Why should anyone wish to be dubbed Zombie Overlord? We get that sort of accusation all the time. Nonetheless, I shall be sure to submit an item. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 17:11, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

The Forum

Now, usually when the forum goes down due to either scriptkiddies injecting code, or because the payment didn't make it, there's no page to be seen. However, I am unable to access the forum at the moment, being told it is not available, and that my account does not exist. Which of you blackguards banned me? I shall be sure to keep you alive for days before I mercifully let you expire. Return to me my access post-haste! --DTPraise KnowledgePK 17:15, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm being told it's unavailable at the moment too, so I'd imagine something's gotten borked. The area for you guys is still set up and private on our forums, and as always your lot are more than welcome to use it. --Ash  |  T  |  яя  | 17:28, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
I believe we are experiencing our second bout of hacking, as our forum has been deactivated from the inside. We already have a forum on your forums.
http://redrum.scoundrell.com/forums/
Any Knights bewildered and confused, go there, sign up, and PM Revenant or DevilAsh for forum access to the Philosophe Knight subforum. Or just spam their PM box with frivolous requests for obscure Thai cuisine. I'm sure they're lonely over there and will appreciate the attention. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 17:40, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
Or you can PM Perpetua (me) on that forum. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 22:16, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I wondered why I couldn't log on. I discovered it between the hours of 9am-11am EST(UTC -5) time if that helps. I was on my phone so I figured it was just a glitch there and not that the whole forum was down.. We could all congregate on the IRC as well. on a side note critique the "Remarks by one who encountered MS in a local Library" part of my profile page if you'd like. I all up for constructive criticism.        02:22, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

I can access the board, but it tells me "This board has no forums." Has it all been wiped clean? PXPK 00:05, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Well I can load members profiles and my private messages but other than that I think its all gone.       00:31, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Have the knights really come to such an end? This is a true pity. I certainly intend to try to carry on the ideology to my future groups and endeavors. I find it depressing that so much of our internal history has been lost with the forum. PXPK 04:18, 4 June 2011 (BST)
Nay! The Knights have not come to an end. Think of it more as a new beginning for us even more so once we get a new forum to work on. You can join us on the RedRum forums DT gave a link to in the mean time.       04:25, 4 June 2011 (BST)

Drat. And right when I had regained my computer access, and thought of a splendid campaign. Ah well, how do we keep in touch now? Defender Of The Weak 00:48, 19 April 2011 (BST)

We're on the redrum forum and on IRC or at least we used to be..seems both have gone inactive though. There's info on it a few posts above this one.       04:13, 19 April 2011 (BST)
Just wanted to report in that ST is back and around.. would love to see the PKnights boasting the same.. --STTinywhitemask.GIFPK 08:41, 28 June 2011 (BST)
Always good news to see another knight return!       13:14, 28 June 2011 (BST)
i blame it on karma for you guys not accepting me.. gods will and all that rot.--User:Sexualharrison14:13, 28 June 2011 (bst)
I've finally stumbled back within Malton's grasp. My quest for the Tower once again led me here. Praise Knowledge! - THELORDGUNSLINGER 19:57, 6 August 2011 (BST)

Template

Here's a template I made, figured some knights might like it. It'll update when ever the page loads.

Doom-clock.jpg Punctuality
Philosophe Knights believe(s) in being on time.

The current time is

03:26 on Thursday, November 14, 2024 (UTC)

       05:10, 22 May 2011 (BST)

Nice! I've tweaked it slightly; hope you don't object. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 05:50, 22 May 2011 (BST)
Nah, I'm fine with helpful edits, I'm not the best with coding stuff       12:44, 22 May 2011 (BST)

QSG.

an upstart group has decided to make war with the QSG. if you have any members in the roftwood area that could help that would be appreciated. thanks again asshole doctor --13:29, 31 July 2011 (BST)

ENVY

I am a bit ad odds finding out Golam has PKed one of my crew. I know the truce was made a while ago and with Treebob at the helms but I respected that (as I was part of the mayhem) and ignored any Philosophe Knights on my path. Should I reconsider and introduce you as hostile again ? (whats up with the font here :P) --Murderess 01:42, 9 August 2011 (BST)

I am afraid I have no record of any truce. Indeed, Treebob has been known to unilaterally declare “truce” without any notice to the other party. Might I ask for a copy of whatever gives you the impression that there was any form of diplomatic relations? His Imperial & Royal Highness, the Archduke d’Œuvre 
I unfortunately do not have "records" of this. It was back in the days when we use to hang in North Blyth and were hitting a lot of PKers group as they were coming at us as well (first). You guys ended up calling a truce with ENVY. I recall this very well as I took you off my "black list" and you were in the area and never bothered with us anymore... until now. We did stay there for a long time and you guys went on your merry way. I was not in the talks back then but its very clear in my mind. Not sure what you want to do about it. Your call I guess. Just trying to establish whats going on here. --Murderess 03:03, 9 August 2011 (BST)
Do you, perhaps, have a record of the kill? His Imperial & Royal Highness, the Archduke d’Œuvre  03:19, 9 August 2011 (BST)
Again unfortunate, I whip my crew to screenshot but get not much results. Until now that I screamed again... All I got was : Here's the PKer that got me Golam. He killed this guy : Boris von pwn Not sure what to tell ya... talking to Treebob now and he is looking for records... --Murderess 03:39, 9 August 2011 (BST)
I now have the emails that were sent back and forth from "William" to Treebob way back when. See your forum for details... well, let me in :P --Murderess 03:55, 9 August 2011 (BST)
I wouldn't put much stock in what these chumps tell you on this page or in their forums. They are consummate liars. Despite multiple lessons taught by TZH these asshats have continued to fail all of their "Awesomexams". Basically, they will jerk you around for days, attempt to run you in circles, and then still shoot you. Take it from someone who has had the intense displeasure of bearing witness to their asshattery for 3+ years, across the game and multiple forums. You're better off shooting them, and using an ignore app to block out what they say in game. Is it text rape? No. But it does something almost as bad... listening to them can actually make you dumber. It will lower your REAL LIFE IQ. It happened to one of our members, poor guy can't do math anymore. Remember, those who shout loudest about how smart they are, often aren't. Especially when they use yuppie memes, worn out gimmicks, and lame RP to do it. Just sayin'. Oh, and also, all Fulloshit Knights are welcome to a heaping helping of my frumunda. BALLS TO THE WHALLS bitches! --Dhavid Grohl 06:38, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
I have certaily missed you DhaveGrohl--Rapture 04:19, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Standard policy

Is it standard policy for you to leap from windows? I would of thought suicide was above individuals as well learned as you.--ZIPO/Talk/◆◆◆/CAPD 03:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

What our enemies "would of" thought is rarely of pressing concern to the Philosophe Knights. It is precisely the uninformed opinions and irrational ideas of the ignorant that the Philosophe Knights seek to correct.
Furthermore, the Philosophe Knights rarely - if ever - disclose what their "standard polices" are. Or if they have standard policies. Thank you for your time, and Praise Knowledge. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 17:09, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I hope these policies you don't like to talk about cover accidental death, cos you lot are prone to it an awful lot. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 18:42, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
What does your retort even mean? On the surface it appears to be dusted with wit even if it is ever so dull. In actuality your comment makes no sense what so ever. This is a perfect example of the ignorance we aim to help you with. Brother BD PK Talk PST 19:34, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Very clever. Did you cut and paste that all by yourself, or did you get a grown up to help you? ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 19:48, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Excuse me, Kempy, is there something urgent you require of the Philosophe Knights? A question? A demand? A complaint? Anything at all that requires you to use our talk page? We'd be happy to help, if you do. Thank you, and Praise Knowledge. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 20:08, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
No no, just chillin'. Talkin', on your page. Your talk page, the page where talking gets done. I'm most certainly not diving out windows, or any other unsportsmanlike behaviour to avoid being tagged by the other team in order to cover up the utter humiliation of defeat I would assuredly receive. Because, haha, that would be pretty lame, eh? ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 20:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
...oh, wait. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 20:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I have a question, how has your day been Professor DT? I trust your health is in good order. --Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 20:30, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
How kind of you to inquire, sir! I continue my duties even when under the weather. And I hope you are doing as well as I, my friend. It's been a while since we last talked. How have you been? What new antics have you gotten up to?
And to Kempy: There is nothing more that would I enjoy right now more than a speech on unsportsmanlike behavior and the humiliation of defeat. Please do continue. Thank you ever so much for your kind words, and Praise Knowledge! --DTPraise KnowledgePK 20:47, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Ah, I wouldn't know anything about all that kinda stuff. Just a dumb, uneducated plod, me. But, I'm good at me job, and that's what counts, eh? You should be grateful, you've got guys like me and Mich up there, keeping the streets safe from the oiks. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 20:57, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
It has been a long time, its been the same old keeping the floatsum down one way or another.--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 23:17, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
The streets are safe? I had no idea. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 21:01, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
No new ones, anyway. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 21:05, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Do you think we've violated some special privilege of yours? Please. Here's how you should address this "issue": Deal with it. --The Hemographer Praise KnowledgePK03:19, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't think anyone here said that. I didn't read anyone saying "You've violated some special privilege of ours."--ZIPO/Talk/◆◆◆/CAPD 03:24, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
No doubt that is why HG asked if you thought that, rather than if that is what you said. Do you think that? --DTPraise KnowledgePK 03:55, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Well then he is jumping the gun a bit to start giving out advice before anyone really answered the question. I'm glad I got an answer to my earlier question DT the only was to learn sometimes is to ask. I just didn't think making yourselves easier targets was your style.--ZIPO/Talk/◆◆◆/CAPD 04:01, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Yours is answered? Fascinating. And it seemed so dependent upon specifics. But, that apparently being so, do we receive no answer to ours? We long for insight into your minds, you see. They must be so interesting. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 04:26, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Yeah it was. You basically said you weren't gonna discuss your standard policies if you had them with me. My mind isn't as interesting as you would think. It's a jumbled mess that even I don't know what's happening in there. Personally thou I don't think you've violated a privilege of ours I wasn't even aware we had any privileges. Officer James thou may have a different view on that matter thou.--ZIPO/Talk/◆◆◆/CAPD 04:34, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
And you think that 'to leap from windows' is either a Policy (which assumes that Knights were told beforehand to do so) or Standard (something done often, or not at all unusual), or both for the Philosophe Knights? We obviously either stepped outside or leapt outside, but to assume that this was something other than a last-second decision during a hectic performance is the height of folly: a failure of reason.
As for privileges, very nearly everyone has the privilege to be educated, at least. And don't sell your mind short. That jumbled mess is a veritable treasure trove for some! Thank you for your time, and Praise Knowledge! --DTPraise KnowledgePK 04:42, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Actually I never said I thought that it was I just enquired as to if it was. One of your Knights in the CAPD channel actually said it was so it all becomes quite a confusing contradiction with you lot. Also I wasn't enquiring to the aftermath of your wonderful performance. It was more around the discussing of a failed bank robbery by two of your members.--ZIPO/Talk/◆◆◆/CAPD 04:58, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Lulz. Chill, you silly pups.
My unrequested take on this? 'Tis a difference of opinion we won't ever reach agreement on. Different idiosyncrasies from different groups of people. Say, like, for instance, those RG fellows who think self-reporting PKers are lame, cause it's "unsportsmanlike" or whatever? I never could twig that myself. Me, I like PKers who've got the balls to self-report, paint a bounty on their backs themselves. That's brave. Then again, I assume haters have their reasons, so hey, to each their own.
So, window diving? We see it as fundamentally lame. You see, we take these shootouts as a sport of sorts, a chance to test our skills and coordination. We take an awful lot of pride from doing well at these. And divers are fellas who cheat at this sport, in a way, because they play on "easy mode". It completely spoils the competition: you can't have a meaningful score if a team is playing on easy while the other is on hard. And we could dive ourselves, of course, to even it out, but that's even worse, it takes away the challenge. There's hardly any point in dirt nap, kill some guy, dive - any monkey can do that. It's just pressing buttons.
So yeah, we like PKers who stay alive, we respect those. Think Suburban Ed, DJ Talent, FOD... hell, Binlaggin is a master at staying alive, hence why I'm a big fan, even though he doesn't love me any more... I think I broke his heart with a stray bullet :( And divers? Well we play of course, we're game like that, but it's pretty hard for us not to go all dismissive and snobbish. "Amateur hour," etc.
But to each their own, huh :) --Suze 07:07, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
I assumed it was obvious that question was rhetorical, which is why I responded to it myself. To be sure, it seemed clear to me you implied that you are entitled to posteducation revenge, and that we, by depriving you of it by whatever means, have "violated" the "special privilege" that provides it. --The Hemographer Praise KnowledgePK14:12, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
The anger of those deprived of satisfaction is an unreasonable anger, Sir HG. To understand it, one must leave the realm of logic and clarity of thought, and return to the tangled, unruly mess of emotions that we have worked so hard to distance ourselves with.
They do not see the act of revenging themselves upon us as a right they have. Rather, they believe that we are honor-bound to avail ourselves to them, for either revenge or mercy. They believe that because we believe in honor and integrity that we have disgraced our name by moving ourselves beyond their reach.
What they do not realize - because they have not yet moved beyond the emotional response to our 'unsportsmanlike' actions - is that we have placed ourselves beyond their reach so that our punishment of their Ignorance does not devolve into some petty tit-for-tat war of attrition.
This is the true face of our enemy, HG! These people who cannot understand that we do not kill them in order to defeat them, but rather in order to help them, this is our enemy. They think that they must now take up arms against us, when in fact the rational course of action is to correct the errors of their modus operandi, to embrace reason, and to seek education, and by doing so, make us go away. First, they are stopped by their pride: they do not want to give in to us, they feel it would be shameful. Then they are stopped by their anger: we have done them harm, and their instincts will not let them forgive us. Finally they are stopped by their habits: to retaliate against us, to defend their way of life is how they have always lived. To think about the "Why" of their actions, to actually question their motivations is anathema to them. They have never done it before.
To simply ask them to Deal With It is to ask them to do the rational thing. But they will never do that until they discover this truth for themselves.
Education is not a sport. Our methods are not those of sportsmen. There are recreational contests of skill that a person may enter into for sport, but the Philosophe Knights do not consider themselves contenders in any contest, Officers of the Crew Avenue Police Department. We have punished you for the crime of Ignorance, for your perpetuation of an injustice to the efforts of the living in Malton. Accept this punishment. Think upon this punishment. Question this punishment if you must. But do not fight it because your animal instincts tell you that you must. You are not the common corpse which sways in the street; you are more than that. We come only to bring you help, not to humiliate you. This is the truth of the Philosophe Knights. Praise Knowledge. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 22:09, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
Aye. 34 - 21. ♥ ♥ ♥ :) --Suze 00:28, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
So when does this punishment you say has already happened actually begin?--ZIPO/Talk/◆◆◆/CAPD 00:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Can you imagine DT on Who Wants to be a Millionaire? You'd be halfway through the series before he even got round to answering the £500 question. What a blowhard. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 06:37, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Lulz. I just noticed there isn't a link to our kill registry in this page. Here ya go. 38 - 23 as of now. Come on, sleeping beauties, you can catch up! --Suze 01:29, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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...A simple request to all the Knights... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 21:58, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Hardly simple. Will you ask us what 'Truth' is next? Praise Knowledge, and have a pleasant day. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 22:10, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm looking for the Knights' own personal opinions on what they consider knowledge, not an exact definition of the word knowledge. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 22:14, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

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Yours in science,

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You, sir, are a gentleman, a scholar, and a scientist nonpareil.
All you must now do to forever secure your place in my heart is to kindly correct the spelling of this entry.

Praise Knowledge!
His Imperial & Royal Highness, the Archduke d’Œuvre  13:16, 6 May 2012 (BST)
My apologies for allowing that error to stand this long. The requisite correction has been made and I have taken the liberty of adjusting your link above to reflect.
Albert Schwan Albert Schwan  Sunday, 6 May 2012
I have stolen your template, your nav bar and a mask. Thank ye and safe travels.        00:05, 9 May 2012 (BST)


Praise Knowledge

Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always, even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? -- Comrade Ov 15:36, 06 July 2012(EST)

The answer, in your case? Sparkly frocks. ~ Kempy “YaketyYak” | ◆◆◆ | CAPD | 22:49, 6 July 2012 (BST)
i was going to say biscuits. --- אמת PK23:15, 6 July 2012

Praise the Dark Side

EXECUTE ORDER 66
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Everything is proceeding exactly as I have foreseen.
~Vsig.png 06:28, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Let me get this straight....

You guys praise knowledge and that's respectable, I guess. (Even though it's highly irrelevant to a very poor quality zombie survival MMORPG.) When your Students' are like...how should I put this...Special Ed.?Maureen 05:24, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Knowledge is not irrelevant, regardless of the situation. In fact, it is during times such as these that knowledge is more relevant than at any other, since it is through the pursuit of knowledge that we can climb out of the hole we have found ourselves in. As for those we instruct, we firmly believe that we can reach them through our methods, even if they may be at the levels of intelligence that you believe them to be. In fact, our newest recruit was one such individual, having previously allied himself with known enemies of knowledge, before turning his back and pursuing enlightenment. IV PK 00:28, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

From a PK'er to another

I would like to let you honorable ladies and gentlemen know that the NWO is also a partly a PK'er group which is headed by me, and aims to cleanse malton....err....let us say by a different and faster method.To be exact,brainwashing.Anyway i would like it if you would stop targeting NWO members before this gets out of hand,i know you people have had your differences with some NWO members but its nothing that can't be forgiven.So i urge you to stop(and no none of the members haven't yet said anything about you guys,but i happend to notice things on the wiki)If you do feel the need to educate my members,please educate me first.I'm currently in dulston,in midelton crescent pd,but i do believe us pk'rs should stick together because there are so little people who share our ideology*tilts hat in respect and walks away--PayneTrain(NWO/FU) 05:59, 19 May 2013 (BST)

What you're demonstrating to us is that you do not yet understand the severity of the situation. To put it in perspective, this all started with a concluded discussion between a Knight and an ACC member that had nothing to do with the NWO until one of your members decided to slander us without provocation two weeks after the conversation had wrapped up. But just in case there was any doubt that he had sealed his own fate, he then proceeded to ignore his fellow group mate's advice that he should stop commenting on a closed discussion that didn't involve him, hypocritically condemned those of us who actually had a stake in the conversation for participating in it, and then coarsely expressed his hatred for our Order when he was called out on his hypocrisy and ignorance. By any imaginable standard, his behavior was inappropriate, offensive, and uninformed, and because you did not start your comment here with the words "CyberOpposition is no longer a member of NWO", we can only assume that you stand behind his statements and that his views reflect those of your group. If you expect us to do anything less than hold you and your group accountable for his crimes against knowledge, we demand a formal apology and his immediate expulsion from the group. Until we have those, we have nothing further to discuss. IV PK 09:48, 19 May 2013 (BST)
We are certainly not averse to working with others, but the devil is, as they say, in the details. I was going to invite you to pay us a visit if you wished to expand or expound on this notion, so as to see what we could work out, but it sounds as though you may need to get your house in order beforehand. His Imperial & Royal Highness, the Archduke d’Œuvre  10:56, 19 May 2013 (BST)

Don't feel so special philosophy knights. Get all huffy puffy and play pissed off philosophy adjuncts who beat their students. What kind of philosophy is that anyways? Runnin' round callin people 'ignat' all da time, idk why you even pay attention to me at this point. The premise of your group is pointless and the acting is simply awful. Also, I'd like to point out the independence of every member in NWO as it's a division based group. (Trust me, not too easy to manage when everyone is doing their own thing anyway) So if you're ignorant enough to think one members actions reflect an entire groups opinions then, whatever. center -.- 16:28, 19 May 2013 (BST)

I was wondering if you guys jumped out a building if you were being hypocritical or ignorant or do you just chase each other around and kill one another instead? I'm confused here. Do you guys contemplate the meaning of life on your forums? That'd be hilarious. Oh and Payne, I'm not sure NWO negotiates with.... well... Anybody at this point lol.(might wanna check in with the board on that one) Except maybe zombies, occasionally. -.- 23:16, 19 May 2013 (BST)
Aren't you just precious? A bit boring, since the only trick you have is to throw your toys out of the pram like an infant when you don't get what you want, but still just as cheek-pinchingly precious as the baby in the pram would be. You think you're making a point, when all you're doing is reusing a tired old image, flailing verbally, and begging Payne to ignore our demand on a feeble pretense. The whole reason Payne came here was to clean up the mess you made so that the NWO wouldn't be tripping over it constantly, but you're so clueless that, rather than stopping your tantrum, you started screaming even louder. Your lack of self-awareness is rather pitiable, and at the rate you're going, your group can't keep cleaning after you forever. If the NWO wants to survive, they need to unshackle themselves from you before you drag them under, since the members who actually care about the group can plainly see that you're making it the laughingstock of the community with these temper tantrums. That's why Payne is here to try and smooth things over, but you're undermining his efforts and your group at every opportunity. IV PK 03:26, 20 May 2013 (BST)

Idk where you see this as a tantrum and I'm wondering why you're digging everything up you can get your hands on to humiliate me and "throw a tantrum like(in your own words) a precious infant and over exaggerate in the most dramatic way possible. As for throwing "my toys out the pram" I believe that those templates used for my recruitment campaign reflect perfectly on how it ended. I threw in some humor that obviously went over your head(I'm sooo sorry you don't find it funny). You're also just further pointing out actions that I have already highlighted for the sake of remembering. As for the "reusing a tired old image, flailing verbally" I'd like to point out that the use of those images aren't supposed to be taken as seriously as you have taken them. Just because you're in a group (like the philosophy knights) doesn't mean you can act like condescending supremacists. It doesn't feel so good when someone else does the same thing, does it? You're throwing threats around that pertain to a game Aichon, nobody is doing any clean up for my sake. Payne is a good person to have in my group and the community of the group. But from my experience thus far, the philosophy knights have given more reason for me and the group I started more reason not to trust them then they have to trust them. As for NWO being the laughingstock of the community, I'd like to say that NWO isn't even supposed to be taken as seriously as you're taking it. If someone gets a good chuckle out of our group then good! On the other hand, if it's the "point and laugh" deal that you're probably referring to, it's probably not us that has the problem. The only opportunity I could possibly see myself undermining is communication between a self righteous group run by a sysop who believes that PK holds the whole deck of cards. I also don't see why this is my mess alone as I was defending someone I viewed as a friend who was obviously upset.
It takes two to tango Aichon. -.- 04:20, 20 May 2013 (BST)

So, if I'm to understand you correctly, you were only joking and didn't actually mean to give anyone the finger or make Payne look like an ass by swapping out the template he used on various people's pages with one that looks like it was written by a petulant child? Come on, that's just the lazy man's excuse for poor behavior. To quote from one of my favorite sources, "Anyone who would trick someone and then say, 'I was only joking' is like a fool who shoots flaming arrows into the air and accidentally kills someone.” And, for my part, I'm neither throwing threats around nor am I Aichon. If you read a bit more carefully, you may be able to keep these things straight. IV PK 05:18, 20 May 2013 (BST)

That's all you gotta say? a picture with a guy holding up a middle finger isn't a flaming arrow. You're using a different sig, I still consider you Aichon. I'm more than done with this conversation. -.- 05:48, 20 May 2013 (BST)

But before I stop.... Fuck you kiddy infant hoe we don't need PKs support especially when you guys feel the right to determine who should leave a group and who shouldn't. Oh yeah that's right, I should just throw my hands up in da air and let you take command of my group, because then it'll be as successful and full up on assholes just like yours :D wheeeeeee -.- 06:17, 20 May 2013 (BST)

Cyber, I don't like you being rude. Didn't I ask you to stay out of this? Ayu Milady NWO member 07:56, 20 May 2013 (BST)
Aichon, you can't blame him for jumping in though. Foxlion and Squid Boy also jump into the convo. I don't care if they're also PK members. They're not KN. And no, even after 2 weeks, the convo isn't actually done. I just haven't got the time to reply. Then I did on May 17th 2013. Ayu Milady NWO member 07:56, 20 May 2013 (BST)

it is time to stop this... cyber, please show mature and respect... --Anja Arnheim 10:51, 20 May 2013 (BST)

now that would be funny and a treat. never happen. - אמת PK11:19, 20 May 2013 (BST)
Yeah, idk... I'll think about acting mature, but respecting The Philosophy knights? We see that sexualharrison needs to throw in his two cents and pretty soon we'll see every active member in PK comment here! But the last word will be mine I tell you! MIIIINE! (Sorry Ayu your thing turned into a bigger thing) -.- 16:38, 20 May 2013 (BST)
Yeah, it is big. Look how many lines we all wrote for this. I think this should end here, Cy. I've told them my points of argument and it's up to them on how to deal with it. What's done is done. Besides, you do have better things to do as our Architect, don't you? Let's see.. the fast reply button in our forum isn't animated yet, I need you to change my ranks, Revenant reminds you in your talk page and etc. Surely this matter isn't as important. However, you can do whatever you want and I trust you to lead us to glory. And this revision of the topic will be my last --Ayu Milady NWO member 18:01, 20 May 2013 (BST)
Stop hand.png Post by Paynetrain removed. Unless you are an authorised representative of the Philosophe Knights, do not be telling people where to go on our talk page.
Anja, you have my explicit permission to comment as you wish, but be advised that not all participants in this conversation are as civilised as we. His Imperial & Royal Highness, the Archduke d’Œuvre  08:35, 21 May 2013 (BST)
Sorry for those harsh words, Anja. Umm.. I appreciate your attempt on stopping them. But you have no right to do so, unfortunately. And uh.. please leave Cyber alone. I'm sure you understand everybody need their space. Especially if you're not one of us. The space should be wider. Feel free to continue this conversation in Payne's or my user page. Thank you! --Ayu Milady NWO member 18:01, 20 May 2013 (BST)

Seriously out of hand

Ok things have seriously gotten fucked up and i want to stop all this shit before it escalates.I've managed to convince the NWO members that some of their actions were wrong and they have agreed to apologise for it and i have a feeling that some of the knights may have something to say too,maybe?I'm sorry i let this go on this far,i was caught up in real life problems.NWO members,if you please.....PayneTrain(NWO/FU) 13:51, 21 May 2013 (BST)

btw i'm not the NWO leader,sorry if i gave that impression.lol

That is all well and good, and I can appreciate any attempt to restore civility. My suggestion would be to have anyone that was directly involved come forward themselves if they wish to apologize. If they do not wish to do so, that is their choice, though ultimately, it feels very insincere if somebody else has to come for them no? As such, I will simply add them to the list of people I wish not to associate with. Also, it is not so much that "you let this go on this far," as is it your place to suppress what your colleagues wish to say? If that is part of your job, then I feel a bit sorry for you as that must be a most tedious task. I've been content to sit and watch for a while now, but seeing an attempt to make peace, I will hear you out if nothing else. I didn't really desire to chime in as I had no real reason to since there seemed to be plenty of us that were willing to speak up. Anyway, I've said what I have to say and will await a response if there is to be one. Have a nice day. --Gentleman AJ Talk PK 22:50, 21 May 2013 (BST)
Yeah ok, I'm sorry for acting childish. Calling people names and whatnot, I probably have a long list of things I didn't do right. But at the same time, treating Ayu like a child was not cool. Furthermore, having 5 Philosophy Knights trying to "educate" someone on the wiki and whilst doing so, somehow inviting everyone affiliated with The Player Killer Alliance and Philosophy Knights in for the trolling fun only shows more condescending behavior.(Ah, watching my words and being mature, see? I can definitely do that.)
Now that this has been all done and said, I'm going to have to only wonder why there's no actual 3rd party perspective in these arguments to possibly offer any actual moderation and civility between our dispute(s). (Don't answer this if you're going to be a smart ass about it.)
I'm also going to clarify that Payne isn't "Cleaning up" after anyone, I'm not doing this as a favor to him nor am I saying this to make my group look better than anybody else's. The funny thing is that Rohndogg1 wasn't(to my knowledge) part of these arguments but was one of the first people to comment on this. Thank you.
Now, not everyone can be part of every single group on the wiki(don't see why anybody would with these choices), but being chastised because you're not in a specific group is not ok. Nobody likes it if they see their friend being talked to like a dip shit. You can reason explanations for what they did wrong, give them fair enough warning(that means reasonable) or walk them through problems. Not doing so and instead, taking drastic measures to point out fallacies that are unbeknownst without an affiliation is just plain cruel. But it doesn't stop there, members of PK knowingly and humiliatingly, prodded Ayu for a reaction. This lead to being fairly honest(and rude) to Aichon. This also lead to Vapor humiliating me on his forum and made some creative templates, to say the most of it. Vapor wasn't even part of these arguments so I don't see where he gets off at. Vapors actions were followed by encouraging comments made by other users.(you know who you are).<
I can be ignorant, childish, condescending, rude and hypocritical just like everyone else. (It's not hard when everyone around you is acting the same way)
So there you have it, my apology for my actions, although not hard because I don't have too much to swallow.  ::-.- 08:29, 22 May 2013 (BST)
Well, allow me to shed some light on things. First, as I said, I was deliberately staying out of it for the sake of not increasing the drama surrounding the whole incident. I also don't spend as much time on the wiki to begin with. As such, I felt that I could be fairly impartial. That being said, I spoke up under the role of a Philosophe Knight myself, so I can not say I am truly a third party. I simply do not have a fancy signature made to separate my personae. I'll have to fix that. In any case, I think what we can all take away from this is that we don't need to come to someone's talk page and complain about something they did in game. If you have questions or a genuine concern then that's all well and good. Did every Knight need to chime in? No. Then again, not every one of us did or that page would've been much longer. But for those few that did speak up, I will not presume to tell them what they can or can not say. I will say, that the old saying about not feeding the trolls should apply here. Also, note that at first other than the statement "You mad?" the only thing on the talk page that was attacking was Ayu's own statements, and the remark that you made at QI. Foxlion was fairly polite, and then it started to go downhill.
In any event, I think that it's possible to move on here. I've no idea what my colleagues will say, but that's up to them. In the mean time, I think we should reflect on this whole situation and see what we can learn from it no? --Gentleman AJ Talk PK 17:05, 22 May 2013 (BST)
… “inviting”? Allow me to clue you in: everything you do here is in full view of any and every interested member of the general public. It behooves you to behave accordingly. His Imperial & Royal Highness, the Archduke d’Œuvre  06:10, 23 May 2013 (BST)


Another Crowbankian war

Revered knights, I write this message to inform you that there is another war going on in Crowbank. This is the background: 2012 High lord Jerden laid claim to Crowbank, late 2012 to early 2013 we were fighting The Spanish Inquisition who wanted us gone. While they got the most kills they still accepted a truce in which they accepted Jerden's claim to Crowbank.

Now, the considerably larger yet not as experienced group UD Fark has shown up, we quickly saw a connection between their appearance and the increase of rebellious activities such as regicritical graffitti and overcading of entrypoints. A successful impersonation by an unknown player over the radio then lit the flame in the barrel and there is now an all out war in Crowbank once again.

While we are dominating the conflict (7 - 1 with 3 JRC members compared to 15 Farkers) we would like to point out that any help from your scholars in this area would be greatly appreciated.

As always we strive for good relations with PK groups the knights in particular, they are all welcome in Crowbank as long as Crowbank citizens not on the wanted list goes safe. (This is to maintain control of Crowbank, the empire of PKers)

Sincerely and respectfully --Leiter 18:08, 31 August 2013 (BST)

i think i might drop by. --אמת PK 19:03, 31 August 2013 (BST)
Well, I daresay that אמת's assistance alone ought to be enough to keep these..."Farkers" facedown. I wish Jerden and his supporters the best, and hope that they take good care of Crowbank's Centers of Learning. Good luck, and Praise Knowledge. --DTPraise KnowledgePK 17:07, 1 September 2013 (BST)

Great Suburb Group Massacre 2013

I'm a volunteer helping to do some janitorial work on the suburb pages of the wiki. As part of that, we're double-checking in which suburbs each group is active. Currently, you're listed in one or more suburbs, in addition to using a radio frequency. If you would like to continue being listed, then please respond within the next month with the radio frequency you are using and a list of every suburb where you are currently active. If we don't hear back from you or we can't get the information we need, we'll be removing you from the lists, but you're welcome to re-add yourself later. If you have any questions, feel free to visit our informational page. Thanks. --RWSig1.png RWSig2.pngFoD PK Praise Rando! 13:07, 25 October 2013 (BST)

East Boundwood and Lamport Hills. If we're listed elsewhere, I suspect it would be because our students listed us when they received an education, rather than it being a case of us declaring ourselves as being there. IV PK 15:54, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

My dear PKnights

I do so enjoy the professionalism with which you conduct your operations. Perhaps we could settle the matter of McCloud's Pub in the way gentlemen used to according to the Code Duello of 1777? To wit, I have issued a challenge that I believe to be unique to Malton. I have preserved it for you here: Malton's first duel (I think!):

http://iamscott.net/1384481074571.html

http://iamscott.net/1384481098893.html

http://iamscott.net/1384481124356.html

http://iamscott.net/1384481249808.html

I shall await your response as outlined in the challenge. Also, I fully understand that the current state of hostilities supersedes the challenge, so you all are in no way bound by any truce currently should I get hit waiting for your response (moreover, please do not take this to be a cease fire in any sense- I should feel terrible if you folks got sniped while stopping in to chat, so keep that most skillful guard of yours up). I can think of no classier opponent for what may be a Malton first. Regards, --Belisarius17 02:34, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

My, what an interesting proposition. You shall have our answer shortly. --Citizen KN PK Talk 17:13, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
As per the terms of the Code, we would have you name publicly the offense for which you desire to hold us to account. We cannot very well answer a challenge to our honor if the challenger does not first make clear the offense, and I am not aware of any offense in the matters related to McCloud's Pub. A duel is not to be taken lightly. If there is no offense, then there is no cause for a duel. IV PK 04:58, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Roftwood Block Party

I'd like to formally invite the Philosophe Knights to participate in the Block Party scheduled for July 15 until August 15, 2014 in Roftwood. The event is open to everyone, where we will try to relive the glory days of UD and bring as many people together as possible to have an enjoyable time. This page will give you the run down, but there aren't really any specific goals other than fun. As a group, we hope the event will provide a recruiting opportunity, as well as, some excitement for your current members an opportunity to educate some of Malton. If you have any questions, feel free to ask on the event talk page or on my talk page. Praise Knowledge! --K 17:22, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

What's it Like?

I have to ask, do you just go about your business, keep in secret, or what? I mean you all can't act smart all of the time. Or do you just kill and then let bygones be bygones? What happens when a Philosophe Knight accidentally acts stupid for a moment? Is it like "I-I didn't mean to I swe--" "You know what has to happen." --- Alex Yamata Pres/CEO HYPER-UMBRELLA P! 21:38, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

As you suggested, we are not perfect. I'm reminded of the proverb:
Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise;
When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.
Said by Proverbs 17:28
As such, we need merely cloak ourselves in silence when our wits are not about us. Others would be well advised to do likewise. IV PK 01:00, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

PK Really Lacks Logic

So I heard you con sider H-UC to be ignorant? That's hilarious. You all are really becoming zealots, aren't you? Well I consider the PK group to be self-righteous bastards, they wouldn't know intelligence if it hit them in the face. Ignorance breeds knowledge, dumbasses.This has to be the most truthful thing I've ever said, for even the fact they don't even know us to call us ignorant.

Don't bother labeling me ignorant for insulting you, don't even call it brave. I still keep in contact with my friends but when you act bigoted without even understand something to make it personal against one of my own friends, that is pathetic. Now you can keep killing Miyajima, unlike me, he really doesn't care how much the game is dying nor does he care about himself getting killed. I would have that after long enough he'd of stripped the group name since I left the wiki, but he's still keeping it. What do you think that means?

As for me, I haven't stood up in UD since the last time I died.... which would probably be accurate to my last post I made here on the wiki, not this post. What are you going to do, poke my body? I doub t you'd even be able to find it. Anywaaaay, have fun labeling people. I've no more reason to talk to you! Buh-bye now <3 --- Alex Yamata Pres/CEO HYPER-UMBRELLA P! 14:24, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

We know you, we know your group, and I would suggest you had no reason to talk to us in the first place, given that you didn't actually communicate anything at all. It's quite clear that it's you who do not know us. IV PK 15:09, 6 August 2014 (UTC)
I am so happy this message happened A ZOMBIE ANT 10:42, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

PK forum.

it down?--User:Sexualharrison09:57, 19 December 2015

Just happened to see this message, I was able to log into the forum but the problem may have been already been fixed. --       21:34, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
It's been up and down a few times in the last few weeks. Might just be issues with renewing the registration and/or making back-end changes. IV PK 15:44, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
so sick of the bandwidth limit.--User:Sexualharrison02:07, 19 December 2016
this is getting embarrassing. --User:Sexualharrison01:28, 29 January 2017

Grr! Argh! *shaking fist*

Get back in your big house. Nothing to be done! 22:23, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

You rang?   vipk 00:44, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
The thing about calling is...you never quite know who will pick up. IV PK 01:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
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