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11/21/08: Dude! Stop moving our pages! How do you like it if one of your pages gets moved? We are keeping an eye on you. If you moved one of are pages again we will track you down and POW! Ask permission next time if you are going to move one of are pages. Or else we would prosecute you for Insubordination. I don't even care if you are an Arbitrator, just stop moving are pages and ask next time if you are going to do.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Soldier (talk • contribs) 03:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC).

Group sub pages go in your group space, where I put it. Now you stop recreating the page in the wrong place, or you're the one going to get done for "insubordination". If you want to have exclusive control of what can and can not be said on the page, and especially the talk page, it must be in your group sub page area, otherwise it's a community page, and anyone can edit it and removing others comments off the talk page is considered vandalism -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 05:31 22 November 2008 (BST)

Might help if you explained how he could use it as a template outside of that namespace for the sake of the Recruitment pages.--Karek^maps?! 05:56, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Looks like he understands that already -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:44 22 November 2008 (BST)

Quick Question; how do you charge somebody higher ranking then you with insubordination?--Jakezing 15:18, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Because Darkmagick/Powerhouse, when you're making pages on a WIKI, the Sysops technically have a higher rank in the disciplinary hierarchy than a normal user does. Shut up and get out noaw.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 15:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

wow; what happend

to grim?--Jakezing 04:14, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

He got sick of our putting up with our obvious inferiority -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:01 21 November 2008 (BST)

I always miss the fun.--Jakezing 11:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

I guess this is whee im supposed to put it..... Well much thanks for the name help, it took me hell trying to git it right :) -- Yungblood 7:40, November 20 2008 (EST)

np. Read through the help pages for editing tips -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:03 21 November 2008 (BST)

Spoilsport

:(--Honestmistake 12:10, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Ja, I know :) -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:15 20 November 2008 (BST)

Crat election

I think you forgot to add J3D to the list... Like it or not he is a Sysop and unless i missed something that means he is eligible to stand. --Honestmistake 11:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

How could I forget ;) (easily... by going off the outdated, undeletions activity check list!). Thanks -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 11:42 20 November 2008 (BST)

Glad to help before you got a place on the ModConspiracy boards ;) --Honestmistake 11:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Permabanned users

So it seems that members of the team are open to reviewing previous vandal banning cases in order to bring them up to date with this policy. Does this work for you? --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 19:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks

link

P.S Why you/any sysops never use irc? Grim used to, haggy and karek do from time to time but that's it. It would be handy...and i'd promise to avoid berating you as much as possible.--x o x o 01:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

P.P.S If you lurk under some other guise can i haz?--x o x o 01:24, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Gnome can't figure out IRC anymore... -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 01:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Gnome should use mibbit, it's uber easy. Unless gnome can't figure it out coz gnome doesn't want to figure it out? :P Also can a/pm haz archive?--x o x o 01:28, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm too easily distracted to irc regularly -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 01:35 2 November 2008 (BST)

A/D

Regarding your vote on several user redirect pages i have separated the case into individual cases, if you feel so inclined please recast your vote on each page relevant to how you feel about that particular redirect being kept on the wiki. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.--x o x o 07:47, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Gah, why must you do this? If it doesn't change things it doesnt matter. Every user who voted has been informed on their talk page, they'll notice. Secondly, you're wrong, not every user voted for all pages concerned. Thirdly, why were they grouped together in the first place? When they were first moved across by a sysop they should have been split up, sorry i only just got onto that. Fourthly, different votes are valid for different entries, people shouldn't be expected to vote on all of them, it'd be like me putting up lol made up page and user:boxy and not letting people vote on them separately. While my action is not backed by any specific policy these cases must be considered separately and to ensure justice is served for them (and everyone has time to recast their votes) the 2 weeks can reset if you'd prefer.

I don't plan on reverting because edit wars are pointless however please do not ignore this, we can discuss here, irc or wherever.--x o x o 08:09, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

It changes thing by making a shitload of people (at least one of which says he wont be around for a couple of week) re-cast their votes, even if they don't want to change them. All the delete vote made it clear that they didn't want any of them kept, yet you removed the lot, because voting wasn't going your way. Moar drama, or w00t? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:13 26 October 2008 (BST)

I've made it pretty clear why i separated them, they should have been seperated from the start. Unfortunately those people voted on the lot, unaware they could be considered separately. I did the next best thing and told them all personally, this doesn't have to be more drama and i think my informing of all concerned parties speaks fairly clearing i wasn't looking for more drama with this. Why said they wouldn't be around for several weeks? --x o x o 08:16, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

If you want to split them up, then all current votes should be placed under each page, and let people know that they can change them for individual pages if they want. Oh, and make the headers different this time -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:22 26 October 2008 (BST)

Fine.--x o x o 08:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

"every delete vote was for all pages concerned". Prove it. Read's wasn't.--Nallan (Talk) 08:08, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Reads was a keep vote -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:13 26 October 2008 (BST)

Gah, you're right. Sorry.--Nallan (Talk) 08:38, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

You forgot one

Kevan. --x o x o 01:36, 25 October 2008 (BST)

That page has long been considered a special exception.--Karek^maps?! 01:37, 25 October 2008 (BST)

twas said in jest! But yeah i think Kevan should be it's own page with information for people about who Kevan is. It's important people know and his userpage doesn't really make that clear.--x o x o 01:40, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Hm...

this looks kinda bad-faith-ey in the sense that it's almost impersonating an actual official message. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 14:30, 24 October 2008 (BST)

You know where a/vb is, whats the matter? need a sysop to hold your hand?--x o x o 00:12, 25 October 2008 (BST)

"Kinda bad-faith-ey... almost impersonating"? lol. Anyone who can read will immediately see that it's not official.--Nallan (Talk) 00:55, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Possibly to avoid actual punishment for a stupid joke. Not much like Cyberbob but it's a very possible result, so quitcherbitchin'. :P--Karek^maps?! 00:57, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Quick question

What timezone are you in? Just curious as to why you're the only sysop on (or are the others just staying away from a/vb for now).--Nallan (Talk) 10:13, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Also I think I might be due for a ban struck. Is this correct? It seems ages since my last vandal case.--Nallan (Talk) 10:17, 24 October 2008 (BST)

I'm Australian, and one escalation has been struck -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:15 24 October 2008 (BST)

Danke.--Nallan (Talk) 12:17, 24 October 2008 (BST)

A/VD

Plz to be striking my escalation? It's been well over a month and I've made 250 edits since then. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:51, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Done -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:15 24 October 2008 (BST)

My escalation

I can tell you this, I guarantee you I have no idea how to deal with images, it was the first time I have uploaded an image that wasn't already resized for me by someone else.--CyberRead240 08:49, 24 October 2008 (BST)

A/D

Can you please protect it for the short term. CB shows no desire to let the pages be moved there as policy dictates.--x o x o 08:24, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Yes, please do. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:25, 24 October 2008 (BST)

How about every one of you pricks stops edit conflicting me, now. And I'll try to sort through your fucking crap -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:26 24 October 2008 (BST)

Fire away. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:27, 24 October 2008 (BST)

lol, you sure like licking boxyanus--CyberRead240 08:28, 24 October 2008 (BST)

A good way to prevent edit conflicts is an hour long ban of the feuding parties (if they don't stop after being told), it gives them time to cool down, and time for you to sort through the mess. Well thats my 2c. - Jedaz - 08:29/24/10/2008

Oh so tempting :) -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:35 24 October 2008 (BST)

thats fucking insightful...--CyberRead240 08:30, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Right, because that worked out so well for the last guy that tried it. Do you remember? Also, I believe the edit warring is over. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 08:32, 24 October 2008 (BST)

I can't remember that, links please? (looks like the edit warring has just moved pages) - Jedaz - 08:59/24/10/2008

YOUR 2C!?!?!??!! Sorry, but i fucking couldn't resist.... --x o x o 08:33, 24 October 2008 (BST)

Your comments on the Gamestriker4 case

I just wanted to say that I feel that was a bit out of line. Regardless of your own personal opinions, your position should not be compromised by what you think of one user and his associates. This is no way coming on here to pick a fight, just dropping you a line in hope that you re-read over what you have written and realize that the Vandal banning page is no place for a SysOp to sledge a user like that. Personal opinions are fine, and I could see why you would have them against Jed, but the whole "aLiM nAzI" thing is just not on really.

That case had nothing to do with personal ownership of the page, he never claimed that, and as a Sysop you should not immediately jump to those conclusions. You are more or less showing that every case that Jed is involved in, you are going to reduce it to some slanging match over the way they treat pages that they created. Your position requires you to be objective, and you could not even do that when it came to a simple vandal case.

Whether or not ALiM or its offspring are your cup of tea is irrelevant, as it means something to some users of this Wiki and you should respect that.

Please, don't take this as some sort of attack, just re-read it and consider what your actually saying next time. It is just that the more I read it, the more I feel as if it is a little out of line, that's all.--CyberRead240 13:49, 23 October 2008 (BST)

lol butthurt --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 13:53, 23 October 2008 (BST)

cool story bro--CyberRead240 13:57, 23 October 2008 (BST)

i know bra --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 14:16, 23 October 2008 (BST)

User contributions

As I peruse the wiki, I often read the A/VB page to just see who's causing mischief. I noted that the person known as Woot has been posting nonsense on that page. So, after taking a look at his or her contributions lately, they are almost exclusively gibberish posted to various talk pages in an obvious effort to be a troll.

Is there a policy that applies to that sort of nonsense? I wasn't able to find one. In general I think a bad faith case probably applies to trolls.

your thoughts? --Stephen Colbert DFA 20:04, 21 October 2008 (BST)

Insanity is his thing... but generally he is a helpful member of the community, if given a chance, for example, this edit. Trolling would need to be a whole lot more blatant than WOOT's contributions, which seem to be more playful than anything. But no, there is no trolling policy, and it would be extremely hard to write one, given the totally subjective nature of "what is trolling?" -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 08:07 22 October 2008 (BST)

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS TROLLING!!!--x o x o 08:42, 22 October 2008 (BST)

Also; There is no Cabal.--Karek^maps?! 21:04, 22 October 2008 (BST)

I heartily concur.--x o x o 06:22, 23 October 2008 (BST)

Great Fire ambiguity

Hey as one of the wikizens around here that has a background with ALiM projects that goes back before the purge, we'd greatly appreciate if you went here and testified. We are asking for witnesses who can confirm the fact that the page, Great Fire of 1912 was indeed created by and largely moderated by myself and User:J3D. The task of claiming our creation over the page is complicated by the fact that no history is available to back up our claim due to the history purge. Thanks for you time.--Nallan (Talk) 08:12, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Colloquialisms

It is neutral tone, the nav bar really recognises the people who have put effort into making the page and linking to other relevant projects that might interest readers. cbf repeating, see cyberbobs talk.--x o x o 03:27, 11 October 2008 (BST)

The nav bar is ugly and intrusive,
The nav bar is bloody ugly and intrusive, and doesn't fit the overall style of general community pages,
If you want to make a guide, and put it in the guide namespace, please try to make it look professional,
I'm getting real sick of the constant spam and cross-promoting being done by the 2 Cool crew to get page hits up on their "quality projects".

Just because your group helped make those pages, doesn't mean that you should be allowed to spam adverts to your group page, and other, often totally unrelated, pages you created -- boxy ^{talk • i} 05:58 11 October 2008 (BST)

It's a guide for colloquialisms, by it's very nature it is going to be somewhat unprofessional hence stuff like the picture and the text adds to the character of the page. I think the ALiMnav template is quite beautiful, it got a tad out of hand with the add for the ALiM party but since that is removed it's back to it's old beautiful self. We are thinking of redesigning it to make it more streamlined (wider and not so tall) but yeah, that won't be until november or so. --x o x o 06:08, 11 October 2008 (BST)

You think that a nav bar that is baby shit yellow, over half a page wide, and 11 lines high isn't out of hand at the moment? Please? Your nav bar screams "look at me, look at me!". It's a bloody advert -- boxy ^{talk • i} 06:21 11 October 2008 (BST)

Would a soft, sky blue suffice?--Nallan (Talk) 06:24, 11 October 2008 (BST)

A 1x1x1 one should look good -- boxy ^{talk • i} 06:26 11 October 2008 (BST)

I think that may be a little impractical...--Nallan (Talk) 06:27, 11 October 2008 (BST)

We did have a community discussion about the implementation of the navbar, shame you are opposed to democratic process or you could have joined us...--x o x o 06:29, 11 October 2008 (BST)

hum... the 2 cool navbar is sooo awesome :D i think i am going to copy it and add it to all pages i helped create and improve... lemmesee... the Suburb page, the suburb template, Arbitration, Policy Discussion, the building danger reports, the main page... all these and many others will advertise me, so everybody knows how awesome i am :D --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 13:57, 13 October 2008 (BST)

lolz -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 14:07 13 October 2008 (BST)

We already know hagnat, and they have to be pages you (or your group) singled handedly sculpted from nothingness fyi, or else it's not really 2C, ya dig? Feel free to borrow our awesome navbar for any purpose though.--x o x o 00:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Willfully ignoring his point, by pretending to take his sarcasm at face value, doesn't change the fact that what you are doing with these pages you create is extremely petty. Demanding to be acknowledged, in such an obnoxious way, as the creator is pathetic. Look at the MIC, Hagnat created that from scratch. The closest thing that I see to your garish navbar is a single category linking to Category:Style Up!.

MIC = Classy

ALiM = Obnoxious -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 11:17 14 October 2008 (BST)

There is one key difference here you are willfully ignoring, ALiM etc pages are fictional lulz, MIC etc are informative pages and are not the place for links to other stuff you've created. Unless of course the other stuff you've created is somehow relevant, in which case go for it! What we do is more comparable to groups listing their allies in a section of their page.--x o x o 11:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)

What? Caiger Mall isn't just as fictional as the great fire? :P

If you want to claim your pages as fictional, non-informative pages, then perhaps you should keep them totally separate from the "factual" side of the wiki, and not implant links to them into suburb, locations and other informative pages?

And no, I don't expect you to do that, I just expect you to concede that there is no clear "fictional" "factual" divide, and that you are placing many of those pages into the community section of the wiki, regardless of the clearly humourous intent in a lot of them.

The colloquialisms page (the topic under discussion, lolz) is clearly meant to be mostly an informative page, explaining abbreviations, btw. Extremely petty to remove it from the main namespace, and place it in your own private area simply to control it's styling so that you can keep your advertising banner on it.

Perhaps I'll edit the redirect so that it has all the content, without obnoxious banner and group ownership problems? Good idea, wat? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 11:42 14 October 2008 (BST)

and waste kevan's precious server space?? I think not...--x o x o 11:55, 14 October 2008 (BST)

if pages created by ALiM are fictional and owned by 2 Cool, then this template shouldn't have been added to all locations, as its merely advertising your group. There was a similar issue months ago with Dunell Hills Police Dept. overcategorization of buildings, and it was shot dead by The Dead (lol) and with the support of many sysops (myself included). ALiM should either turn into public domain, with a nice and unobtrusive template on its pages, or have all advertise of the group removed from building, suburb and other public domain pages. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 14:14, 14 October 2008 (BST)

No longer a 'crat

Just wanted to say thanks for your work as a 'crat. I know that, ostensibly, it's only supposed to be the power to promote a user to sysop status, but in practise, I think that the 'crat badge is treated in and of itself as a symbol of authority, which makes the bearer almost as much (if not more) of a target than the big K himself, as regards the attraction of drama, criticism and requests for difficult judgement calls. I think you dealt with that pressure admirably. (Now, I'll take my tongue out of your arse so that you can sit down.) --Funt Solo ^QT 20:13, 8 October 2008 (BST)

A/VB

Hey, since the new pre-archive system thingy came in the talk pages don't line up properly. The cyberbob stuff needs to be moved to the new talk page. I was gonna do it but i thought maybe it's an issue with the system (i don't fully understand the whole thing) so yeah, thought i'd let you know. If it relies on the first person doing it manually maybe a small instruction should be placed on the page or something? Also i came here coz i had a feeling karek did it, but karek is gone...--x o x o 14:14, 8 October 2008 (BST)

Misconduct

To make this as fair and equitable as possible, please vote on the decision being rendered here. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 05:58, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Good god, man, learn to wiki -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:08 7 October 2008 (BST)

Can you please archive the ruled out misconduct cases ? People are starting to troll on grim earlier one. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 12:59, 10 October 2008 (BST)

why hello thar

sarp --brb, church ^{DORIS CGR U!} 10:21, 26 September 2008 (BST)

Where's ya bin, Bob? -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:57 26 September 2008 (BST)

school and shit --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 12:44, 26 September 2008 (BST)

help

I seem to have broken talk:suggestions formatting. I have no idea how and am scared to try fix it in case i make things worse! If you are first on line could you take a look? Thanks...--Honestmistake 14:44, 25 September 2008 (BST)

I've fixed it for now, by moving a huge chunk of the page to the overflow page. That page requires regular cleaning out of old, dead, suggestions discussion to avoid the problem -- boxy ^{talk • i} 15:02 25 September 2008 (BST)

Error?

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1270525&oldid=1270524

The page wont show up, and the talk pages hub shows The 5th of November "Original's" talk page. Care to... help? Thanks. --/\Haliman/\^{T | P! | W!} 21:09, 10 September 2008 (BST)

Looks like it only affects a couple of edits you made around the same time. Perhaps you just picked the wrong time, while an upgrade was happening (perhaps the recent deletion of the older diff comparisons)? If it doesn't happen again, and your page is fixed now, I wouldn't worry about it -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:46 11 September 2008 (BST)

Misunderstood!

Hey Boxy, I appologize about getting all pissy at you. I thought you may have deleted my stuff but you only moved it to our group page and made it better for us. Please accept my appology. I jumped to conclusions way too quickly.

Thanks for the help.

Also,

Im confused about how to get the Group link to work on our page. Is there an easier way to do it? Im still learning and Im trying to teach my brother and my cousin .-. SpacemanSpiffReturns 06:53, August 19, 2008

No problem, I'll give you some more tips on your talk page -- boxy ^{talk • i} 09:43 19 August 2008 (BST)

A/SD

Dunno what you did but it fucked up the page. Unclosed <> thingys i guess. Anyway i undid it so you might wanna redo whatever it was you were doing.--x o x o 03:54, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Woops, I cut Karek's sig in half when I moved it down. Thanks -- boxy ^{talk • i} 04:05 19 August 2008 (BST)

Where were you?

Simple question. Where were you? So much Drama over the J3D bid. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Drama? Drama? I saw no such thing...--x o x o 11:38, 7 August 2008 (BST)

Awww, you love it. Anyway, I lost my internet for a week or so. What else, of great importance, did I miss? -- boxy ^{talk • i} 14:54 7 August 2008 (BST)

The soft warning dead horse is being beaten. Again. And i thought we had it well and truly jellied. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 15:27, 7 August 2008 (BST)

You seem to be the only one to use it... we should just warn people on their talk pages, or the AVB talk page... as long as they obviously got the message, they can be referred back to just as well as a pseudo-official A/VB case which only serves to ramp up the drama level -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:18 7 August 2008 (BST)

Yeah what was the end verdict? Keep 'em off A/VB and if you want to let sysops know you can use other channels (Discussion page was suggested) ?--x o x o 07:02, 8 August 2008 (BST)

Suver

Finally I post there here. Sorry for the time and thanks for the attention. --Standzs 15:02, 31 July 2008.

OK, thanks. All that has been moved to the archives already, but it seems that everything worked out without any unwarranted warnings or whatever -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:05 7 August 2008 (BST)

Deletions

Are these all scheduled deletions, or do they need a request? [[1]] --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 16:54, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Not if they are over a month old, we normally don't do them regularly so that images don't get dropped immediately before they can get used, they do get purged semi-regularly though.--Karek^maps?! 16:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)

So the ones from 2006 should just have gone then? Cheers. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 17:28, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Whenever a page is deleted, many of the images that were on it appear on that page. They're cleared out every now and then (whenever a sysop decides to go through the list). It's actually better if it's not done all that quickly, because if someone wants their page back once they notice it's gone, the images cant be retrieved if they're deleted as well. Image deletion is permanent -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:05 7 August 2008 (BST)

"Unilateral decision"

You griped about my "unilateral decision". I dont see how what i did was been any different to what you have been doing for 14 months. Oh, except for me doing it instead of you. Dont bitch and try to start new "tradition" just because theres a faster draw in town. Now, im not adverse to making it so that we have to discuss it first between ourselves in future, but dont go acting as though its always been done, or attacking me because i have merely followed in your glorious unilateral footsteps, because i spoke to Vantar back before Karek was promoted, and there was no cross crat communication on promotions happening back then, and you havent even tried to strike any up prior to now (Or even now, its me doing it). --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:46, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Ok. Heres the dealio. You have until J3D's bid comes due to open a discourse with me about it. You can find me in IRC, the rummers will point you in the right direction for me, as will the people in #XIII. If not ill unilaterally reject J3D's bid on multiple grounds, most notably the fact that he wants to focus on A/VB, and his judgement is appallingly bad, such as not spotting Finis for the troll he is and ignoring him, and instead engaging in multiple acts of vandalism against him. Also, his judgement on several cases is pretty poor, such as assuming poor form = bad faith (Whitehouse case in May this year), repeated instances of shitting up A/VB in violation of the page guidelines (See how much of his crap is there in the archives).

J3D said:

This comment is relevant to this vandalism report. kekekekeke--J3DSR! 14:46, 21 June 2008 (BST)

(Source, early last month as an example).

A Demonstrable history of immaturity, not to mention attempting to rule on that case in question, which cheese should have soft warned him for at least. In the last couple of months he has become quite the little shit disturber, which is the exact opposite of what he should be doing.
Making a mess on A/VB and tossing in how two cents left right and center on the main page instead of the talk, as well as numerous acts of vandalism on his part indicate he has little respect for rules or guidelines except where they serve his interests, and is thus nowhere near appropriate sysopm material. Not now, and most likely not ever, unless he seriously cleans up his act for a very long period of time. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 18:51, 26 July 2008 (BST)

Stuff I'm Thinking About

I'm seriously contemplating moving barricade plans to group subpages, as it's where they should have been in the first place and will stop all this pointless bickering.--Karek^maps?! 05:52, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Trouble with that solution is that it's usualy a collaborative effort between survivor groups/individuals, rather than each group in an area "owning" their own plan -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:02 24 July 2008 (BST)

UBP subpages for the ones that are UBP group "neutral".--Karek^maps?! 10:20, 24 July 2008 (BST)

I know we could fit them somewhere, I just don't feel that it is a good thing. They are usually a community resource, and even though they are survivor POV, they should remain as a community page if possible. I don't remember much drama coming from them before the Dunell Hills situation. The occasional dispute about whether a building should be an entry point, or EHB... but meh, that's what arbies is for -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:28 24 July 2008 (BST)

This whole thing has gone so far out of proportion. I think the Santlerville model is the best. Survivor orientated cade plan on the page with the larger plan linked to and a zombie plan linked to from the bottom of the page, everyone's happy.--x o x o 10:31, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Funny J3d, as a zombie minded player I've always found those plans to be more of an insult than most things on the wiki. --Karek^maps?!

you talking about the actual cade plans or the zombie 'plans'? I find the zombie ones pretty shitty but if people want them there i figure they should be allowed to, despite the fact that serve no actual purpose...--x o x o 10:37, 24 July 2008 (BST)

The zombie ones. It's just an excuse to avoid addressing the actual issue.--Karek^maps?! 10:39, 24 July 2008 (BST)

I could see this becoming Wan's a/a case v2.0...the wiki is here to provide information to players, barricade plans (majority enforced ones) do that...while i can understand some people not liking them on the suburb page that should at the very least have a full sized heading explaining the purpose of the cade plan, the major local groups who endorse it and to what scale it is followed with a sizeable link to the actual cade plan because as much as you might not like them they are an important resource for survivor players.--x o x o 10:42, 24 July 2008 (BST)

That's one of the great ironies about this, they aren't, the other one, of course, is that the same people that use them now will still use them if they're moved off of the suburb pages.--Karek^maps?! 11:07, 24 July 2008 (BST)

As a self confessed zombie player you aren't really the right person to judge whether or not cade plans are an important survivor resource. While i agree they are largely bullshit i use them when i'm out of town and need to find an ep, you'd be suprised how often the ep the cade plan points to is the one that is in use, regardless of whether or not i feel it is the most logical choice for an entry point to a resource building. Anyway as to your second point - i agree, so move them to a subpage of the suburb but keep them well linked so people can find them! If a suburb is having a tantrum then you can look into splitting them into 'group cade plans' or whatever but 99% suburbs don't need that.--x o x o 13:01, 24 July 2008 (BST)

I'm a zombie player, not an idiot. That being said I have frequently participated in the survivor game for quite some time now, it's both how I started playing and how I ended playing, I classify myself as a zombie player not because I'm biased to their side but because I refuse to associate myself with the "survivor" mindset and I prefer the "zombie" metagame. And to refrain from using a segway I've already used; I've had this discussion before and wasn't the only one who came to the conclusion, 99% of them aren't followed and never have been(I only know of one suburb that I could ever say consistently did).--Karek^maps?!

It's not "an occasional dispute" this has been going on for over 2 years now and it's because of the absurdly POV nature of them that contributes to the general POV nature of the suburb pages. They're group resources_{(I doubt you'd dispute that)} it's idiotic for us to leave them on community pages, especially when they never should have been there in the first place. It's a major nuisance and one we should have solved long ago.--Karek^maps?! 10:33, 24 July 2008 (BST)

I've no problem with them coming off the suburb pages. I'll help with that. But I don't think group sub-pages is the place for them. Suburbname Barricade Plan (as seen on Category:Barricade plans) would be the place I'd put them -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:37 24 July 2008 (BST)

Bots

Category:Bots could probably use classifying as Special:Listusers/Bots so the wiki regards them as such, although I'm not exactly sure what the differences are/would be beyond the Special:Recentchanges filter.--Karek^maps?! 10:09, 14 July 2008 (BST)

I'm pretty sure it does something else, but I can't remember off-hand. It would be useful to have them in that user-group though. Means we can filter out Bot edits on recent changes and keep track of "official" bots. -- C h e e s e 10:40, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Is it that bot edits (from bots listed by a crat as such in Listuers) are hidden on recent changes? Perhaps we need a bot policy, so that they are approved before having their user status changed, and also making it clear that they can be banned as soon as seen malfunctioning, or when making non approved edits? They should probably have specific purposes, and if they step outside those bounds, be disabled -- boxy ^{talk • i} 14:01 14 July 2008 (BST)

Noticed that my bots had suddenly moved up in the world. Thanks for the addition of that user group. As far as a policy/approval group goes, it seems a bit overkill since there's only a few bots, and the fact I'm the only one making them. I try to include a decent overview of their operations (and indeed a message about temporary bans) on their user pages anyway. These things are also only manually operated, the only way they can destroy the wiki is if I'm maliciously inclined or I somehow screw up to the 10th power. The few errors that have happened in the past get reverted by myself, or some nice wiki user if I miss them. --

Rooster Dragon

18:41, 14 July 2008 (BST)

Still, it would get everything all clear cut and shiny. Which is always useful for anyone else wanting to make a bot. If we have it in writing, they know what they can and can't do. -- C h e e s e 15:31, 15 July 2008 (BST)

My retardation.

If I want an image in a frame and resized, any idea how i'd code it?

On an unrelated note.In relation to this The Great Suburb Group Massacre do you think 2 weeks is not enough time? --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 15:25, 12 July 2008 (BST)

No Boxy, that's not resizing, try--Karek^maps?! 17:13, 12 July 2008 (BST)

Sunflowers

Like this? :P -- boxy ^{talk • i} 17:22 12 July 2008 (BST)

creeps

Cheers chaps, --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 17:31, 12 July 2008 (BST)

Thanks for the comments boxy. In answer to your questions.

Yes. It will be time consuming, about 6 weeks worth in fact. But i reckon I can probably remove 30% of all groups. After which it will be less stressful, they've just never been properly done before.
In future I will make it burb specific, but for now its just the truly inactive groups im purging. Besides who wants to get dragged into a "Were active in this suburb" debate? A hilly suburb on our western border alone would probably implode if i asked that question. I will make the cahnge but not yet.
As for the timestamp idea, its possible, Maybe a {{Welcomegroup}} template explaining how things work? But thats for the future, ive only just finished the location pages for vinetown, and i fear my brain will give up...--Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 11:17, 13 July 2008 (BST)

Sigh

Why must you ruin everything!?!?!--x o x o 04:06, 12 July 2008 (BST)

Calling everyone "fucking retards" is not cool on community pages, and the people with the French template on their pages don't have anything to do with the place (it works just as well without the link anyway)... and I like fried chicken :P -- boxy ^{talk • i} 11:18 12 July 2008 (BST)

The fucking retards thing was funny, and we need an ELiM link on the page somewhere. French thing is meh, and wikipedia clearly states that african american's like fried chicken...--x o x o 15:14, 12 July 2008 (BST)

I'll give you fried chicken :P -- boxy ^{talk • i} 17:03 12 July 2008 (BST)

Link plox.--Karek^maps?! 17:36, 12 July 2008 (BST)

Wiki

Hey Boxy, I noticed that at about 1 AM GMT-6, all the wiki's text got much larger. I've check on other sites and deleted all my cookies, etc., so I know it's not my browser. Any info? - Vigeous _RHA 08:36, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Has it cleared itself up? Often closing the browser/puter and restarting fixes these little glitches. Only thing that I can think of is that you may have upped the font size on the page. I use firefox, and occasionally bump the mouse scroll wheel while holding in ctrl. This can change the font size up or down on individual sites while not affecting other web pages in different tabs -- boxy ^{talk • i} 11:22 12 July 2008 (BST)

Ah, much thanks Boxy! - Vigeous _RHA 20:11, 12 July 2008 (BST)

Warning

Hey Boxy. :) Can you strike one of my warnings for me? It's been a month and I've made over 250 edits. -- C h e e s e 10:40, 8 July 2008 (BST)

Done... fly straight -- boxy ^{talk • i} 15:34 8 July 2008 (BST)

Thank you. :) I'll be good now. -- C h e e s e 10:56, 11 July 2008 (BST)

RE: Standzs

Hi. I change that because Standzs is one of my 2 characters and I´m not playing more with it. --suver 15:18, 30 June 2008 (BST)

My bad

Sorry, in the swapping over of discussion from main page to talk page, I missed your comment you placed after my rant. I have replied to it now, and I honestly look forward to hearing more.--CyberRead240 14:55, 26 June 2008 (BST)

RE: Cheap shot

;) --Nallan (Talk) 13:57, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Aqua Teen Template Force

	Play on Names
	This user received a template with his likeness. Get it? Boxy Brown says "Ah, I don't want no cake, I want me some pie! You understand what I'm sayin'?"

You get a Play on Names Template. Why? You really need a reason? Fine. Cause we are the Aqua Teens, make the homeys say ho and the girlies wanna scream. Number one in the hood, G. Enjoy. --Tselita 02:58, 26 June 2008 (BST)

Imposter/Impersonation type sig

Bronz93 has a sig which makes me believe that the user is trying to impersonate boxy (you) right [here] and also [here]. Just look at it [here]. -- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 01:53, 24 June 2008 (BST)

I don't think he's trying to impersonate me, but I've asked him to remove it anyway. No idea what that's all about -- boxy ^{talk • i} 07:34 24 June 2008 (BST)

Election

Crat election is over. Time to tally the votes, check for socks, and do whatever else needs to be done. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 07:54, 21 June 2008 (BST)

There was some UD flooding that I saw on a spray paint in the game yesterday. It's probably still there.

-- LABIA on the INTERNET ^{Dunell Hills Corpseman} #24 - |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| ^TMG 08:02, 21 June 2008 (BST)

I find it funny how about half the gnome votes are really anti-me votes :D --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 09:58, 21 June 2008 (BST)

Congratz, dammit. Ye've thwarted me plans, fer now... also, I don't know who sprayed that message. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 02:13, 23 June 2008 (BST)

Nooo....neither do i... *looks left, looks right, fades into the night*--x o x o 08:33, 23 June 2008 (BST)

Why

Template groups?--x o x o 07:21, 17 June 2008 (BST)

So that we can track when groups are added to the list, and perhaps, in the future, set up a system where groups can be removed regularly if not updated... a fringe benefit may be that edit conflicts on the group lists doesn't mean that the whole page needs locking -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:54 17 June 2008 (BST)

Makes sense, me likey.--x o x o 14:01, 17 June 2008 (BST)

A/A

Use my talk page if you wanna talk to me.--x o x o 13:06, 10 June 2008 (BST)

Warning

boxy said:

Please do not place humourous suggestions in the main suggestions section on this wiki. Continuing this behaviour may lead to your editing privileges being revoked.

And lord knows, my life would be cast adrift in purposelessness if that ever happened! Please, somebody hold me! SporeSore 12:30, 6 June 2008 (BST)

Banning

I don't know if I did it correctly, but I don't want it to look like I went power mad. Nemesis Omega came up under the same IP as Mister Game and to me that is a sock puppet account. If I screwed it up, I wanted to come to you first and say, 'hey, did I do this right?'. I don't dabble in the bannings and floggings and what-nots very often. So if I screw them up I would hope that someone would correct me and not instantly misconduct me. Thanks.--– Nubis ^NWO 15:43, 9 June 2008 (BST)

Come ON.

Like you didn't see this coming.--Jorm 06:32, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Of course I did. Meh -- boxy ^{talk • i} 09:51 5 June 2008 (BST)

Vandalism

If you really want to get all worked up about someone committing real vandalism there's some extremely funky stuff going on on Tselita's talk page that is being ignored.--Karek^maps?! 02:00, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Are you talking about her reworking posts even when made by a sysop in an official manner? Or the ugly color scheme and layout? Sometimes I think we need some sort of Style Policy or at least a Tacky Escalation ladder.- :)-– Nubis ^NWO 02:18, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Pfft. I didn't delete his posts - I deleted them, and if he didnt mix 'official sysop' posts with unofficial personal attacks I wouldn't have had to bother to. Don't want me to delete your posts on my user page? Simple solution - don't post there. Read the rules for my user page on the top. --Tselita 16:21, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Listen up, idiot. If you don't want him to post on your page, don't fucking reply to, or start ranting about him when you delete his posts. It's not a complicated concept, even for a chick -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:45 5 June 2008 (BST)

While we're at it, why don't you give Gardenator a warning for writing harassing posts on my user page as well 'talking about labias' - Nah that would be fair and unbiased and we all love the Goons, don't we Nubis and Karek? --Tselita 16:24, 5 June 2008 (BST)

If he edits your post to spell out LABIA I will personally give him a warning for vandalism. Until then saying "dirty" words is not against the rules.--– Nubis ^NWO 16:32, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Piss off to your own talk pages -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:45 5 June 2008 (BST)

Images

After 17 days of slaving away Rosslessness and I have brought the amount of uncategorized images down to 1390. There are a few images in there that are [deleted] but won't go away (same with the uncategorized pages). I plan on going through the main categories and cross referencing any images that can go in more than one, but we figured getting all of them in at least one was the main goal. Soon you will be able to remove the link from your sig! Just keeping you updated in case you missed it. --– Nubis ^NWO 20:33, 4 June 2008 (BST)

That's a lot of work, great stuff. :D -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 21:38, 4 June 2008 (BST)

I'm going to make a medal for those two first chance I get...-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 21:43, 4 June 2008 (BST)

I hope its shaped like a cookie..... 1343 by the way. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 22:12, 4 June 2008 (BST)

I hope it is all text! No more images! :P--– Nubis ^NWO 01:42, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Yep, nice work, and yeah, I of course noticed your recent changes spamming ;) I would have rather that all the categories were put in first time... but it's such a big job (probably what ground me to a halt on the project) that I'm not complaining -- boxy ^{talk • i} 03:20 5 June 2008 (BST)

There are also some images that change category with usage. I think going back through them will also help cut down on the dups that are just different sizes because the user may not know how to alter the size in the code or forget what they named it when they uploaded it. And I agree - those survivors love their ribbons! --– Nubis ^NWO 16:47, 5 June 2008 (BST)

Ribbons, they've all got to have their own set. Just doesn't fit for me, the flavour of organised military groups just isn't right... but then again, organised zombie hordes are even more out of flavour, so meh -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:55 5 June 2008 (BST)

A category for awards/medals would be best i feel. Thats the only major "gap" in the current system. --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 22:42, 5 June 2008 (BST)

It's starting to get there. But the original RRF style flavor was good for the game and fit a kinda different concept of what a zombie was.--Karek^maps?! 04:36, 6 June 2008 (BST)

[DONE - DONE - DONE!] So help me if you sysops let that image list get that long again I will (insert generic threat here and add extra venom!) Now for Part 2. :/ --– Nubis ^NWO 14:39, 7 June 2008 (BST)

Do you have super secret powerful delete powers? We have a list of about 3 images and 4 or so pages that just won't go away. We thought maybe the Crat position had something we didn't. If not, would Kevan have the ability? I have a list on my talk page titled Special Delete. Thanks.--– Nubis ^NWO 22:08, 13 June 2008 (BST)

Nope, no idea how to get rid of those pages, they're buggy. Krazy Monkey worked out how to get rid of a few annoying pages like those, but it doesn't work with them, afaik -- boxy ^{talk • i} 04:57 14 June 2008 (BST)

Arby's

We need you to accept J3D or not accept him. We're waiting on you to start this case up. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 23:33, 2 June 2008 (BST)

Res: Blanking Pages

The only pages I request for deletion are the ones that I have personally made with this wiki account or my former one (N dG). In the future I will go about with the proper procedure that you have explained. Thanks. --Nick Nitroz 15:16, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Wah?

Any thought on whats passing for News today? --Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 12:57, 28 May 2008 (BST)

It looks like the implementation of a suggestion that someone made here a while ago. Perhaps only on the suggestions talk page though. Hope repairing long ruined buildings gets an XP bonus -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:02 28 May 2008 (BST)

Im just glad that work on Monroeville seems a bit more pointfull now. Wonder what else Kevan has got planned for MV?--Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 13:30, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Help meh Boxy!!

Why isn't this redirect working? I want it to redirect to PHPD like you suggested, but it won't. Did I break the wiki?--Nallan (Talk) 11:51, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Don't worry boxington, i helped the noob and thus saved the day. No sweat. Although perhaps a sandpit in repayment?--x o x o 12:04, 28 May 2008 (BST)

wtf you did nothing! NOTHING! Boxeh I still need you! Jed was the last one to touch the page so it's not my fault if the wiki is fucked.--Nallan (Talk) 12:09, 28 May 2008 (BST)

The redirect works fine. If it isnt working for you, clear your cache. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 12:15, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Works for me too... should have worked with your earlier versions as well... probably what Grim said -- boxy ^{talk • i} 12:27 28 May 2008 (BST)

And you wouldn't have to worried about removing your own deletion request, no one is going to VB you for that, but moving it down to the resent actions section would be a better idea than simply wiping it -- boxy ^{talk • i} 12:36 28 May 2008 (BST)

yeah nick you r-tard.--x o x o 12:38, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Ah got it. Works now. Is there anything teh cache can't do? I submit that there is not.--Nallan (Talk) 12:48, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Well it's not LOL, that's for sure.--x o x o 05:25, 29 May 2008 (BST)

Minor edit

Can you discuss w/ the other sysops about changing the error on the bureaucrat policy? Specifically, it says: "This policy does not effect any account that Kevan may use as a wiki admin account;" effect should be changed to affect. --Larspcus2 00:19, 20 May 2008 (BST)

I don't think we need to bother anyone else for something so minor. Thanks, that should have it -- boxy ^{talk • i} 02:55 20 May 2008 (BST)

:O

Someone used to have a templated sig! What turned you against 'em?--x o x o 10:00, 19 May 2008 (BST)

Did you stuff the second link up? Couldn't find a sig of mine there, but yeah, I used one a few times, just don't like them. 1) I figure the sig you use on a page should stay there instead of being changed later, 2) They contribute to stuffing pages up (like the suggestions talk page occasionally) 3) meh -- boxy ^{talk • i} 03:00 20 May 2008 (BST)

Ah yeah, i did. I had 2 user talks open both called Penny _____, there was that one and another. Anyway it did have a sig of yours on it. Templated sigs do make edit pages a lot cleaner though...also have you seen the awesome new ALiM navbar?? It totally rox!--x o x o 07:54, 20 May 2008 (BST)

Jamie's Headerpage templates

Thank you Boxy for moving them to the right place, I did not know what name to put the under. By the way; what did you think of them, not very good are they.--Jamie Cantwel3 ^TalkAll glory to the Hypnotoad! 04:25, 18 May 2008 (BST)

I've seen worse ;) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 04:34 18 May 2008 (BST)

Sorry I stuffed up this one on you. But you could have fixed it by simply putting a backslash (/) in the last noinclude tag. The noinclude tags (<noinclude>xxxx</noinclude>) mean that whatever you put between the tags shows up on the page, but when the template is used on another page (like your user page) that text doesn't get included (hence noinclude) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 04:41 18 May 2008 (BST)

Ok I will remember that next time thanks.--Jamie Cantwel3 ^TalkAll glory to the Hypnotoad! 23:13, 18 May 2008 (BST)

Page Moving

I figured I'd ask you this, considering you're the only Sysop I really know.

The_Imperium have several pages that I think should really be sub pages, such as the Imperial_Guard and Imperial_Inquisition. They also have their own page for Pk reporting, which I also think should be a sub page.

Thanks in advance for any help.

----Ash^{| T | яя |} 16:50, 14 May 2008 (BST)

Oh gawd... so many pages... so little point -- boxy ^{talk • i} 12:21 15 May 2008 (BST)

Why was the page moved at the request of someone else? There's other groups with similar setup such as the DEM.--Garviel Loken

^{No Pity! No Remorse! No Fear! Talk}22:28, 15 May 2008 (BST)

Those other groups where already like that long before I got here, and fixing them up is a huge job. Makes my head hurt just thinking about it. Basically, all group sub pages should be in that format. It makes it much easier for people to know who's pages they are (important to make it clear that non members should not edit them), especially if the main group page is later deleted (not all that likely in your case), and it means that multiple groups can have similarly named pages without fighting about who owns the "Imperial Guard" (for example) page. I know it may seem like mindless bureaucracy to you, but it really does help if everyone sticks to this sort of system as much as possible, as new members copy how other established groups do thing -- boxy ^{talk • i} 08:12 16 May 2008 (BST)

A/VD

For some bizarre reason i'm not trusted to edit that page so instead i'm coming here to tell you to remove a [ from Karek's entry, minor i know but still it shouldn't be there.--x o x o 08:25, 12 May 2008 (BST)

Fixed it, thanks -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:12 12 May 2008 (BST)

Talk:Suggestions

Templated sigs don't seem to be showing up on this page. Is it like that for you? Any clues as to cause/solution?--x o x o 08:05, 7 May 2008 (BST)

Yeah. Solution ==> Don't use templated sigs :P -- boxy ^{talk • i} 09:45 7 May 2008 (BST)

Is there an easy way to do that other than copy and pasting from a word document every time you need to sign? --Pdeq^Talk* 09:51, 7 May 2008 (BST)

If your sig coding isn't too long, just put it in the nickname box (in your preferences) instead of a link to your sig page -- boxy ^{talk • i} 09:55 7 May 2008 (BST)

My understanding is when the page gets too big templates start breaking, so stuff needs to get moved to archives. Or something like that. --Pdeq^Talk* 08:07, 7 May 2008 (BST)

Yeah, that's it basically. There is a limit on the number of templates that can be displayed on any page (in the hundreds I think). Once it reaches the limit, all templates on the page are broken, not just the sig templates. The talk suggestions page requires regular cleaning out -- boxy ^{talk • i} 09:45 7 May 2008 (BST)

oh yeah i forgot you hated them...should have asked someone else. That page shouldn't be archived, i think if it breaks 'em again i'll just adopt the policy of if its no longer being discussed it can be deleted...--x o x o 10:21, 7 May 2008 (BST)

There is actually a policy for that somewhere. Something about 5 days with no discussion, and you put a warning. Karek used to do a lot of deleting of old stuff, so he's pretty knowledgable about (1) how to remove old discussions and (2) how to move suggestion discussion that have now been put up for voting. --Pdeq^Talk* 21:24, 7 May 2008 (BST)

There's no limit to number of template calls, there is however a file size limit so only so many kilobytes of data can be called. And it's two days without discussion for a deletion notice and 7 for removal.--Karek^maps?! 19:17, 8 May 2008 (BST)

ELiM

I thought you'd like to know! :) :) :)--Nallan (Talk) 03:49, 3 May 2008 (BST)

Hahaha, I see you've sanitised the ALiM talk page... can't have none of that nasty dissent now can we >:) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:00 7 May 2008 (BST)

twas me, and feel free to come back and dissent more, just don't expect the conversation to linger when you've cleared off. ;) --x o x o 09:25, 9 May 2008 (BST)

Whatever you say, finis -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:54 9 May 2008 (BST)

hahahahahahahahahhahahahaha FUCK YOU! --x o x o 01:03, 10 May 2008 (BST)

Click here if you ever want to relive the good 'ol days ;) --Nallan (Talk) 09:29, 26 May 2008 (BST)

Old Policies

I still actually haven't had time to figure out the policy cycling stuffs, otherwise I'd get to this. Anyway, the following policy discussions have been up for like a month. Inappropriate usernames, Bureaucrat Election Tweak, and NPOV.--Karek^maps?! 14:22, 26 April 2008 (BST)

They should be archived, I believe. The limit is two weeks, I think. Although most people don't archive/withdraw it at that point because it is counterproductive if there is still discussion. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 17:02, 26 April 2008 (BST)

Yeah, they're archived in withdrawn policies (unless there's still active, productive discussion going on) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 00:03 27 April 2008 (BST)

jejejeje

lololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol--Shakey60 16:03, 23 April 2008 (BST)

Akule's bid

Akule's promotion bid should have been closed four days ago. And axe appears to have declined his promotion bid. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 04:53, 19 April 2008 (BST)

Gee, I wonder why? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 04:54, 19 April 2008 (BST)

Something I thought you should see

This, which seems pretty close to vandalism actually considering it's a stones throw away from him making accounts under different IPs and voting for himself. --Karek^maps?! 20:28, 18 April 2008 (BST)

You want a screenshot of the IM? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 20:29, 18 April 2008 (BST)

Never mind...I provided the screenshot on Vantar's talk. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 20:42, 18 April 2008 (BST)

It's idiocy. It won't help the bid, just like the goon meatpubbitry wont hinder it.

I didn't know that till 15 minutes ago, now did I? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 01:06, 19 April 2008 (BST)

Bit late now, isn't it -- boxy ^{talk • i} 01:36 19 April 2008 (BST)

Isn't that actually in the text on that very page?--Karek^maps?! 01:37, 19 April 2008 (BST)

On A/BP only, I believe. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 01:39, 19 April 2008 (BST)

That would make no sense, A/BP is a vote.--Karek^maps?! 01:40, 19 April 2008 (BST)

You mean meatpuppetry? That's what I mean. Sockpuppetry is considered vandalism. -- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 01:42, 19 April 2008 (BST)

But I didn't use a sockpuppet, now did I? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 01:44, 19 April 2008 (BST)

It says on A/PM, "This is not a vote. It is instead merely a request for comments from the wiki community", and I would expect anyone wanting to become a sysop to know that it wasn't a vote. It's not helped by people putting up tallies though -- boxy ^{talk • i} 01:44 19 April 2008 (BST)

Now I have always thought it was a vote. At least, that was my interpretation of that statement. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 01:54, 19 April 2008 (BST)

Recent Rulings in Impersonation Vandal Cases

You may want to read down to a couple of cases on the vandal banning admin page where similar cases have been brought up. Hagnat and you see this issue in two very different lights. He ruled not vandalism where you have ruled vandalism. Not that it matters but I agree with you. No matter what it says at the top of a page, a signed post has to be protected to ensure integrity of the wiki. --Showcase^Talk 18:02, 18 April 2008 (BST)

He ruled not vandalism in a case where a goon signed unattributed posts as his own, I ruled vandalism where a few goons claimed that stuff they had written themselves were actually written by another user. There is a big difference between the two... but they'd better not push the point on Hagnat's ruling... it's not that far away from being bad faith -- boxy ^{talk • i} 18:30 18 April 2008 (BST)

Ah. I see. This is why you are the sysop and I am not :) Thanks for the clarification. --

Showcase^Talk 20:31, 18 April 2008 (BST)

Location Editing

Locations talk archive:

Suggestions

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Help

I just added a new suggestion for voting and clicked save not preview.... now I can't sort out the vote section. If you are still online help would be much appreciated. --Honestmistake 11:16, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

I hope that's what you wanted -- boxy ^{talk • i} 11:24 21 February 2008 (BST)

Exactly what I needed... thanks. I probably would have got there eventually but not before spamming recent changes with about 300 revisions and annoying the hell out of you and whoever else was watching. --Honestmistake 11:32, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Good oh. It could have been a real nightmare trying to get it fixed while getting edit conflicted by voters :) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 11:46 21 February 2008 (BST)

Yeah I was worried about that, especially as some asshat would probably have tried to crucify me for editing a suggestion after it went up for voting :) Anyway, thanks again and I promise to try not to do it again.--Honestmistake 12:08, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Request for moving to Removed Suggestions

I edited my own suggestion to put a clarification in, didn't realize it was not allowed when there are votes already in place. I apologize for my error.

Link to suggestion: Suggestion:20080208_Emergency_first_aid_kits_in_buildings --Aeon17x 12:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I rolled your edit back before anyone voted, so there's no harm done. If you want to withdraw it for revision you can. I would suggest putting it on the suggestions talk page before taking it back to voting however -- boxy ^{talk • i} 12:54 8 February 2008 (BST)

Instructions on withdrawing suggestions can be found here -- boxy ^{talk • i} 12:57 8 February 2008 (BST)

Cool, thanks for the instructions. I put it back into suggestion discussion for now while I work the kinks. --Aeon17x 13:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Ruins

You said:

Change - make it so that this only applies from the street, not inside, otherwise there is no way to know if you are going to end up outside when you try to freerun -- boxy talk • i 07:03 20 January 2008 (BST)

I have two responses. The derisive and the sensible. Since i am in a generous mood for typing today, i shall present both:

Derisive: OH EM GEE! IT COSTS 1 EXTRA AP TO CROSS A RUIN! RUIN IS RUINING TEH GAME WIHT RUINZ!!!
Sensible: If you get knocked out of teh free running system by a stealth ruin, you have an entry point right there with which to re-enter the system. It makes travel a little more hazardous for humans? Good! My Brain rotted Pker finds life far, far too easy despite shooting people up in MALLS. Humans had an easy enough time finding places to hide and entry points after ransack was introduced, and to be fair, this would serve as a nice hazard to the human mobility advantage. It would also encourage people to be a little more coordinated and fix ruins faster. As for seeing ruins from inside a building: How on earth could people see a ruin from inside a neighbouringt building when they cant even see ruin from outside? Are all buildings now equipped with X-ray windows? It would be a nice hazard that would *gasp* present a risk to human survival. Much better than the only risk being the tiny risk of being killed by a zombie or pker. The only way for a sensible human to die at the moment is bad luck. A brain rot Pker thriving in a suburb with semi regular breakins illustrates this quite ably. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 08:10, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind, but I moved this to the suggestion talk page -- boxy ^{talk • i} 12:10 20 January 2008 (BST)

Bang sticks

Assault rifle had 1 keep o kills and 5 spam, not o keep, 1 kill and 5 spam, at least give the author credit for voting for himself!--Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 13:35, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

lol, yep, my mistake -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:36 5 January 2008 (BST)

Yet more evidence i'm in love with recent changes--Ross less ne s s^{Want a Location Image?} 13:37, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

You jumped the gun by four hours. they have to stay up 6 hours before removal is possible. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 13:49, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm, it looks like you're right, but Funt changed the rules... I thought extremely obvious spams could be removed early -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:56 5 January 2008 (BST)

But then the old page didn't include that bit. I dunno, anyway, I'll leave it 6 hours -- boxy ^{talk • i} 14:01 5 January 2008 (BST)

Moderation

Moderation talk archive

Junk that is Upsetting Me

I'm not going to lie...

Image:MartyisCrazy.jpg Image:ActionMarty.jpg <---- needs more MSPaint hair. Kid sinister 22:40, 12 April 2008 (BST) Image:Martywtf.gif File:Advicetips.jpg Image:Atruefriend.jpg Image:Martyposter.jpg Image:Headertwo.jpg File:Advicetips2.jpg

This stuff does bother me, them making fun of me I could care less... but they are going after my family now... Dude, I'm really unhappy about this... It is not fair that they should be able to find me and my family and I have no idea who these people are... Please get rid of this garbage... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 23:04, 13 April 2008 (BST)

How are they going after your family? And how is deleting that stopping them from going after your family? --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF DORIS MSD MOB pr0n} 23:54, 13 April 2008 (BST)

That is my father's image... and as I recall... http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Copyrights they are violating a HUGE edict... and come on... this is a personal attack... it is gross public spectacle at it's worst... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 00:24, 14 April 2008 (BST)

I'm man enough to admit I did lol at 'Action Marty'... but they are seriously taking it too far, you guys need to police this before it goes any further... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 00:39, 14 April 2008 (BST)

What image is your fathers? The one looking like Colonel Sanders or the Action Figure guy? Unless you mean the cartoon they keep spoofing. And they're breaking the copyright rules. They are not reproducing it but instead creating entirely new images. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF DORIS MSD MOB pr0n} 02:30, 14 April 2008 (BST)

who looks older? lol... and they are... I never gave them permission to use my image for that... those images are mine... and one of them comes from another website... I own all of those images... they need my permission and they sure as hell aren't getting it... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 02:44, 14 April 2008 (BST)

If you uploaded a picture of an orange and I put that orange in another picture with other fruits I found on the internets I could do that. But if I just recopied your image and uploaded it then I'd be stealing. I've listened to Akule and his copyright rants to know the ins and outs of this. --Sonny Corleone ^{RRF DORIS MSD MOB pr0n} 02:51, 14 April 2008 (BST)

Okay, then it doesn't violate wiki policy copyright wise... but you must see this for what it is... come on, they are not being subtle about what they are doing; this violates every common decency, it is something that should not be tolerated regardless of whether it violates 'a rule in the books'... --Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 05:55, 14 April 2008 (BST)

I'm pretty sure creators have rights over derivative works of their creations as well as exact copies. See here, here (scroll to FAQ 9), here (scroll to "If I make up my own stories, based on a similar work, my new work belongs to me."), and here (first paragraph of history section). Still, I'd advise against bringing the copyright policy into this - in practice it's not enforced, and there's been a lot of drama around it in the past. --Toejam 02:47, 15 April 2008 (BST)

Technically, it could fall under parody, but can easily be considered libel (slander with written works), however I doubt you will be able to do much in the courts. With the current way we are handling the policy on copyrights is to cite the information before we draft a letter to eventually get permission. Did you create the original yourself, or did you modify the drawn image for yourself? Your best bet would be to talk about vandal banning for the attacks or at the very least put forth an arbitration against them to prevent them from putting up and keeping these types of images. Unfortunately that will just get them to put them up elsewhere and just add more fuel to the fire. Wiki-wise a case could be argued for impersonation as you are not stating the things the pictures are saying, but I'd just go with the fact that they are making a lot of bad faith edits through picture harassment. Either way you should have a good case for an arbitration against them. If they don't appear before the arbitration you can get a ruling made against them by default, so they will have to bring their case forth. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 02:50, 15 April 2008 (BST)

I'm not convinced you actually know what libel is, so I'd suggest not throwing that word around until you get a real handle on it. Clearly the images are parodying Marty's in-game persona. We're hopefully all adults here, so if you are unable to withstand a bit of ridicule without screaming libel of all things then maybe a more child-friendly game would be more appropriate. By the way Marty, love the new template. Oh no, I mean I'll be pressing for a libel/bad faith/vandal case immediately of course --Deadtanian 09:27, 15 April 2008 (BST)

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I'd explain it to you, but I have come to find that people typically ignore large blocks of text, so I see no reason to do so. After looking over your post, I do think you could benefit from going here. The point is that Marty would prefer that you stop harassing him, thus my advice to take it to vandalism or arbitration, not to make an actual case in a court of law against you and your fellow "goons". --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 22:40, 15 April 2008 (BST)

The point is the images they used as a source are my property, I'm asking that they be removed from the wiki. My rights over control of those images do not end just because the images were edited and uploaded under a different name... They may not be violating wiki policy but they are violating my rights laid forth in the US Copyright Act of 1976 by editing and reposting. I'm request that these images be permanently removed from the wiki. As for arbitration, I am not going to have a big shoutfest with them for their enjoyment. No permission was given to them to modify or upload those images, they need to be removed...

US Copyright Act

Derivative Works:

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#103

See Subsections (a) and (b)

Protections:

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#106a

See Subsection (a), Line (3)

--Marty Banks (aka. Mundane) <DHPD> 23:29, 15 April 2008 (BST)

There is certainly precedence for having the images outright deleted. I'd find an active sysop and request that they speedy delete those images following this precedent then. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 23:37, 15 April 2008 (BST)

That's all mighty impressive but sadly has nothing to do with this. With regards the US Copyright Act, please read up on Fair Use, specifically Parody and Fair Use. Nice little starter right here: [2]. Akule, if you're going to pretend to have some kind of knowledge on this subject then fair enough, but please try not to lead people astray. Hell there wouldn't even be a case if we were profiting from the images and you should know that. I'm kind of sad that the first reaction to someone making fun of your fictional zombie fighting character is to resort to vague legalese, what a world. --Deadtanian 00:07, 16 April 2008 (BST)

I am not a lawyer but since MartyBanks uploaded this image doesn't that mean permission to use the image on the wiki was granted? Because to claim otherwise would involve saying you did not give yourself permission to upload the image. The only options I can see for you right now are arbitration or ignore it. Also I thought the wiki was under British jurisdiction so why are we citing American laws? (and why is this all on boxy's talk page?)- Vantar 00:16, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Disgraceful. This is no place for common sense man, this is about high-drama and lofty legal minds! I bet you haven't even read a Grisham novel lately have you? NO. Just as I thought. The key to success? Surprise witnesses, each more surprising than the last. The defense rests.--Deadtanian 00:24, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Let me get this straight... Marty is claiming ownership of his own father's likeness? Futhermore, he's claiming an image stored on SeaHouse Realty, Inc.'s website as his own property? Kid sinister 00:22, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Unfortunately it does. So, you'd like to argue copyright law then? Not a problem. First read the Copyright page, the International Copyright page, and of course the Let's Learn Copyright Law lesson before you proceed. Now, because we are talking about the UD wiki and not a court of law, you'll want to ignore all of those pages and just pay attention to precedent on the UD wiki for author requests of deletion of copyrighted images. Aside from the fact that the images are clearly bad faith edits and thus are subject to deletion and you are subject to vandal banning with precedent here, he is the principle author of said images and can request that subsequent images be deleted as not only is there is a very few instances of allowance for fair dealing in the UK but there is precedent for this sort of thing on the UD wiki. Oh, and yes, we need to know UK law as the UD wiki is hosted in the UK, not in the US. Thanks for dropping by though. :) --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 00:27, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Please Akule, this is just getting embarrassing. I shan't bother to chuck a dozen links into this paragraph but please just imagine I have, as apparently linking to something adds +2 relevancy to the linkee, even when wrong. I was going to ask you what you were linking to those two "precedent" cases for when neither have anything to do with this case, one simply parrotting everything someone said and the other being someone having their original artwork removed from the wiki, but then I came to the realisation that trying to talk to you was dramatically removing my will to live. Please tell me more about the precedents that have been set in a dozen other unrelated cases, it's utterly fascinating to me and will eventually uncover the essential truth of the matter at hand, much to your credit. All my love, --Deadtanian 00:41, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Yeah, that's basically the response I expected. Hence why I didn't bother to explain libel to you. Let me make it easier. One link to follow. Read up on harassment. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 00:44, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Harassment? They're parody images of a ficitonal character and they're on our talk page. This thing was dead in the water from the word go. LET'S NEVER FIGHT AGAIN. --Deadtanian 00:51, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Oh? Are they? AwwWww. I couldn't fight with you. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 00:56, 16 April 2008 (BST)

So in other words, copypasta them + host elsewhere regardless. >.> --Karloth Vois ^RR 00:38, 16 April 2008 (BST)

That would get by the whole copyright quagmire, yes. Just not the harassment. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 00:44, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Akule, please explain libel to me and how it pertains to images that actually are the property of SeaHouse Realty, Inc. when Marty Banks isn't an legal representative of said company? Kid sinister 01:06, 16 April 2008 (BST)

You'll notice how I asked if he owned the images, right? If he doesn't own the original images it's not going to be a copyright issue, as he didn't own the original images to begin with and thus would have no claim to them in UK law. Now, on to your actual question. Here's a good explanation of libel. The reason why I said it would be hard to do in a court of law is the fact that he'd have a hard time proving that he actually had' damages. That doesn't mean that some lawyers wouldn't take the case. Anything for money, right? ;) Of course, you're just focusing on the few snippets of what I said that you should not be focusing on. What you should be focusing on is to see if any of the images constitute harassment of marty, hence the link to the precedent. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 01:14, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Ahahahaha all that build up and you just linked to an article I could have just Googled anyway? You lazy turd.

Why the fuck should I "focus" on something that is completely meritless? If we're going to play that game, then I hereby demand that this be taken down because allowing it anywhere on the net instantly gives AIDS to 250,000 schoolchildren or something:

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Kid sinister 04:32, 16 April 2008 (BST)

Akule's promotion bid

His bid will be ending soon, and considering the wide ranging opinions expressed I thought some discussion would be good before we made the decision. He has shown consistent understanding of the rules and demonstrated interest in maintaining the wiki the copyright image categorization but historically he has been near the center of a lot of drama, which is not the most desirable trait for an op. What are your thoughts? - Vantar 04:24, 13 April 2008 (BST)

Yeah, he knows the rules, but seems overly keen to use the knowledge to annoy rather than help, as per the copyright drama and other examples of input to a/vb or the like... besides, the promotion bid was started on April 1, by Anime ;) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 04:35 13 April 2008 (BST)

In the past, I have been condescending in pointing out rules that were not followed or used against people unfairly, because I was speaking with sysops; whom I felt should have epitomized the rules that they maintained. The copyright fight was one such instance, but as pointed out, I was able to get that topic addressed to a point where people actually cared one way or another and then my biggest opponent during that time, Hagnat, and I worked out a compromise worked out a way that would benefit everyone. You'll note that since then I haven't put up one image for deletion, rather if I find a copyrighted image, I put in the proper copyright information for the citation and categorize it correctly. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule ^{School's back in session™}} 02:40, 15 April 2008 (BST)

OI

You missed a spot, jackass. Do the whole job or don't do it at all. カシュー, ザゾンビクィーン (ビープビープ) @ 11:23, 9 April 2008 (BST)

A/VB

How Comforting.--Karek^maps?! 04:38, 6 April 2008 (BST)

Hmm

How did this get screwed up? Anyway, This still needs doing and I'd very much dislike having to do it myself considering I was the one who reported him.--Karek^maps?! 18:33, 1 April 2008 (BST)

I'll have a look -- boxy ^{talk • i} 00:00 2 April 2008 (BST)

It's a bit of a mess, but I've gotta run -- boxy ^{talk • i} 00:15 2 April 2008 (BST)

As long as it's done. It was the last thing in march that needed closing, I think, so I can archive it later today after double checking now.--Karek^maps?! 00:53, 2 April 2008 (BST)

Editing teh Wiki

Editing talk archive:

err...

any chance you can help this guy out? Thanks.--x o x o 06:55, 3 April 2008 (BST)

hey boxy

hey boxy i know you are way busy modign the wiki and you dont have time for looking for stuff but sence u have seen just about every wiki page evermade here i was wondering if you have seen a wiki page with the little picture saying "this user has visited ackland mall and the templates like that i was going to add some to my page well if you can drop a comment on my talk page thanks tomer mall tour 07/X:00

Thanks...sorta.

Thanks for fixing my grammar/spelling errors on the Cockburn page. However i don't think its really your place to remove the link to 73, if he wanted to he could have. I thought you would be happy that real history was being incorporated into the location's history, apparently not.--x o x o 07:28, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Quick Question

Just a couple questions regarding Wiki ethics; Would it be considered improper to edit the spelling on someones user page even if the user is not an obvious newb? And what about changing the wording to produce correct grammar or to provide clarity? -AbSent 16:45, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't, unless I was pretty sure they wouldn't mind. Ask them on their talk page first is the best bet -- boxy ^{talk • i} 21:53 29 February 2008 (BST)

Question

Is it okay to delete irrelevant discussion on discussion pages? Example: there's stuff on the Building Types discussion page that's just no longer relevant. Okay to delete it, you think? --Funt Solo ^QT 18:47, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Sure, if it's really irrelevant, I guess. I'd make a section at the bottom of the page, and label it for deletion, and give it a week or two there. After that, if no-one has seen fit to save it to an archive, delete it -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:13 16 February 2008 (BST)

Hey.

That is not my character. Please ask before creating pages that are not necessary. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nny7229 (talk • contribs) 21:07, February 5, 2008.

Well it was a character page in the wrong namespace, you created it, so it got moved to your page. Sorry if it wasn't yours, but we get a heap of pages in the wrong place like that, and waiting for a reply from every one of their authors would mean that many of them would never get put right -- boxy ^{talk • i} 22:00 5 February 2008 (BST)

Thank you

Thank you Boxy, for the help with my chef page.--Jamie Cantwell3 06:02, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Interference Links

Please stop adding them, read the page's talk page, a page with that purpose already exists and is where all current data on the matter is and has been going since the day of the update. It's also in the footnote at the bottom of the page. The Interference page is pretty much nothing but unneeded content spam.--Karek^maps?! 07:40, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I think a page is needed on this development -- boxy ^{talk • i} 07:46 29 January 2008 (BST)

That isn't it. If you want a page that is about the flavor and what is meant by interference fix that one up, but don't use it as a link to how interference effects building barricades as that is misleading. As such it doesn't belong on the barricades page until it has content itself, or at the very least relevance to the barricades page, such as is the case with the stub door.--Karek^maps?! 07:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Well people arn't going to be able to provide the information in one place unless there's a link to it so they can find it, and know that their information is needed. (I can't update it, because I'm not playing a survivor in a siege, but I'd love to know what the effect is (both flavour and percentages wise). Would you be happy to have the link in the footnote area? -- boxy ^{talk • i} 07:58 29 January 2008 (BST)

A link in the footnote area is more than fine. You should be able to fit it in nicely as part of Note 3.--Karek^maps?! 08:01, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking up this cause Boxy. I was in exactly that situation (wanting to help coalesce knowledge on the subject without having any term or handle for the idea). That's the intent of the Interference page, and I'm astounded Karek doesn't see that. CloseCall 01:23, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't see it because of how you were choosing to link to it, it was misleading.--Karek^maps?! 05:33, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Club Head

So you want me to get rid of the Fenis thing? Is that the only problem you have with the edit? Because i find mods to be temperamental beings and don't want to resubmit only to be banned for not clearing up the unspoken issue.--Jed 12:00, 17 January 2008 (UTC) My bad...--Jed 12:01, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

The rest of your "contribution" to the page is pathetically unfunny, but I really couldn't give a shite. If others make a case against it's inclusion I may though. Why don't you go do something productive with your time -- boxy ^{talk • i} 12:10 17 January 2008 (BST)

Hey, hey, hey...each to his own. Until then I'll stick with what i wrote minus Fenis.--Jed 12:13, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh and you're more then welcome to make suggestions re:doing something productive with my time.--Jed 12:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Go kill Finis -- boxy ^{talk • i} 12:29 17 January 2008 (BST)

General Talk

General talk archive:

Weapon's Proficiency Bull

This is horrible. So is the Guide you linked, no real neutrality what so ever. Specifically the weapons efficiency, it's wrong for one. Without data on the find rates that has been updated you can not claim that they are bad enough, and many figures show that they may well not be, to balance guns to claws. Not to mention that guns ammo searching isn't something that you count, that's just foolishness. If ammo is counted in the efficiency of the weapons for survivors barricades need counting for zombies, that's balanced statistics, instead you count the cost for pre-combat for one side and not the other. BTW, if barricades were counted you'd see how horrible zombie claws vs guns are, if pre-combat actions aren't counted you'll find that shotguns run at about 6.5 for their efficiency, not the measly 1.5 they are rated at in that Guide. PS, your guide purports a 1.7_{(without Flak)} and is out of date by about 2 years, more recent research shows that search rates have nearly doubled, some are claiming it has tripled.--Karek^maps?! 13:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

If I'm coming off as a bit of an ass it's because I get really tired of some of the survivor crap spread around the wiki that masks the reality of the game and smudges the numbers to hide the true state of the AP imbalance.--Karek^maps?! 13:14, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

The out of date data is why I used 20AP... it's the number of AP a fireaxe takes to knock down a maxed zombie, isn't it? Not the most efficient, maxed out survivor weapon, but somewhere near it. Bringing barricades into it will severely complicate the issue, give that you'd have to factor in barricade construction on the survivor side... the article is just comparing ?rising with knockdown costs. I know the game is unbalanced towards survivors... but I think it's mainly because of survivor numbers... people want to play survivors to be the hero and because there's more options -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:31 7 January 2008 (BST)

I'd have to say that the game encourages that behavior in the way the introduction and pretty much every single update has been done. Survivors frequently get all of the flavor and what flavor zombies to get they have to deal with their horrible weapons accuracy, move rates, and barricades to get to, the only zombie flavor which doesn't deal with those things is zombie speech. As for barricade build costs, no, you don't, just don't count ammo find rates which are frequently variable. As for using the Axe instead of the guns which have a far higher hit rate and even with ammo find rates incorrectly included_{(I'd have no problem with it's inclusion if the standard was the most data possible but in this case it obviously isn't what they chose to do)} that also horribly smudges the issue as guns, with the newer search data, and even the older search data, save a large and significant amount of AP. That ignored, carry shotguns and needles, CR non-rotters, Shotgun rotters, suddenly it's not 20 AP to clear but with search rates you'll average about 15, less than a headshot, less than what it takes to kill yourself, and less than what it takes for another zombie to kill you. Shotguns are only slightly less efficient than CRing, because they don't have the stacked on other costs but, with the near search rates shotguns could easily be 5 or more AP lower than the 20 you listed based off of the Axe combat stats.--Karek^maps?! 13:43, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

It's complicated, I know, but even the most efficient weapon in the game (the pistol), in the hands of a maxed out survivor, and ignoring searching altogether, takes more than the 12AP you claimed against a maxed out zombie. Now if you want to expand on the complexity of the decision to ?rise depending on the zombies level, and likelyhood of getting headshot, feel free, but I think 12 is too low -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:52 7 January 2008 (BST)

BTW, I agree wholeheartedly about the way the game is geared towards survivor updates -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:53 7 January 2008 (BST)

Actually Boxy, it takes only 10., 13 if you count Flak Jackets., 8 if the the zombie doesn't have body building, 11 if they don't have body building and do have a Flak jacket. That doesn't include reloading for obvious reasons.--Karek^maps?! 13:56, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I edited in the pistol clarification while you were searching for the data, I expect. It says 16AP (ignoring searching) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 13:59 7 January 2008 (BST)

Pistols get about 16 AP, Shotguns are actually far better.--Karek^maps?! 14:01, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

If you factor in reload AP Pistols become better over time, add in search AP to the equation and pistols, I'd assume, are juggernauts because of the finding partially loaded guns. But like I said, if you're gonna do that you need to include everything that could be considered costs to get to combat in the equations, that includes barricades.--Karek^maps?! 14:03, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

But the whole point of ?rise is that you're already past the barricades... that's what makes it so efficient. All you have to do is ?rise -- boxy ^{talk • i} 14:07 7 January 2008 (BST)

Limitations and rewards, ?rise can only be done if you have AP so headshots actually lower the amount of damage ?risers can do. Barricades don't matter because this is about survivor AP expenditure but as combat is about immediate reward you don't factor in searches or AP spent on rebuilding cades, when PKers Pk survivors you don't factor in search rates for either side because that's pre-combat and even if you did we don't have the actual numbers so we can't do it, at least not with any semblance of correctness.--Karek^maps?! 14:26, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

I've placed something on the ?rise talk page, I think it needs a whole new section to discuss when, and when it is not a viable tactic (if you don't mind I'll move this discussion there too) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 01:33 8 January 2008 (BST)

I'm fine with that, it's a tactic page, essentially, so more information on when to use it as opposed to the survivor view of how much is sucks to deal with could always help.--Karek^maps?! 04:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Good-o -- boxy ^{talk • i} 05:03 8 January 2008 (BST)

On a related note, do you find attacking the barricades from inside an efficient tactic in sieges? If I find myself inside, alone, and I haven't got enough AP left to take anyone out completely (seems pointless wounding someone, only to have them healed before anyone else gets in, FAKs are more efficient than any weapon), I will often knock a few levels off the barricades. Do you know how much more effective indoor barricade attacks are? -- boxy ^{talk • i} 05:03 8 January 2008 (BST)

All the numbers returned from it say it's horribly low, 5% at most, although I doubt it's more than maybe 2.5%, still, if it's HB^ it's actually a good idea to do it if you can't do anything else with your AP as the build rates are generally really low. I'd say it's less effective than attacking survivors but I'd be wrong FAKs and their 60% find rates take care of that. --Karek^maps?! 05:20, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

It must be pretty hard to collect that data. I might head down to the Quartly Library, and see if they're willing to help with some data gathering... well, once Giddings falls, anyway -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:27 8 January 2008 (BST)

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Excitement plus -- boxy ^{talk • i} 23:48 1 January 2008 (BST)

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Hm...you're currently the #2 user...while I'm #3...Hmmmm....+1? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 00:40, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Boxy! Delete his comment!-- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 21:35, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

How exactly does that count the links, is it +1 for each instance of linking or for each page with that link?--Karek^maps?! 21:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Each page with a link.-- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 21:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I would if I was actually going for the win ;) -- boxy ^{talk • I} 01:17 6 December 2007 (BST)

...and now he's number 3. --_Ducis ^Dux_Sloth^Talk 21:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

At that time, you meant 4, right? Ah wells...I'm back to 3...Boxy! Only about 20-40 more edits till I pass you...I forgot which it was...I feel like going for the big challenge...Passing Matt... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{^{^{^{^{#nerftemplatedsigs}}}}} 21:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

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It's good to be back. Real life is great and all, but, y'know.--Cap'n Silly^T/W/P/C 06:39, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you get hooked on it just like that! :)--Cap'n Silly^T/W/P/C

06:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

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*Hands you a button labeled 'Sue'. Here you go. Now we know your real name! Nalikill ^{TALK E! W! M! USAI} 02:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I like your sig now :) -- boxy • talk • 02:59 10 November 2007 (BST)

Thank you kindly, uh, sir or ma'am, I'm sorry for not knowing which. Nalikill ^{TALK E! W! M! USAI} 03:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I dont. It bold the timestamp. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 03:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I'm working on that problem. Nalikill ^{TALK E! W! M! USAI} 03:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Boxeeee is a box, stoopid peoples lolerz!11-- AHLG T G THE END IS NIGH! 03:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Well I like it a whole lot better than yours, Haggie :P Oh, and BTW, arn't you avoiding a 1 month ban from the A/VB archives? Shouldn't I ban you for an extra week? >:) -- boxy • talk • 03:09 10 November 2007 (BST)

XD Hoisted by your own petard, Hagnat. Nalikill ^{TALK E! W! M! USAI} 03:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Oops... caught me. Guess i better ban myself again now that whatever i was trying to prove is already being discussed and half-way solved. And it's not like my uni project is could to complete itself if i continue to edit this wiki. See you guys in a few more days than... off to ban myself again i go. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 03:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Damn... I was looking forward to bringing down the banhammer too! But good luck with the uni stuff :) -- boxy • talk • 03:22 10 November 2007 (BST)

You want to have the honors ? go ahead :) just make it so i get unbanned after november 24rd (my deadline to deliver that baby) --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 03:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh so tempting... but I'd better not :) -- boxy • talk • 03:33 10 November 2007 (BST)

By the way, you know how you always have to put <nowiki> in front of a * at the beginning of a phrase? I created a template, Template:*, to prevent all that unncecessary typing. Just add {{*}} and you're able to move on. Nalikill ^{TALK E! W! M! USAI} 03:14, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw that... will just have to remember it's there now -- boxy • talk • 03:17 10 November 2007 (BST)

*Tries out the template* -- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 03:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

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