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This page is for the reporting of vandalism within the Urban Dead wiki, as defined by vandalism policy. On this wiki, the punishment for Vandalism is temporary banning, but due to security concerns, the ability to mete out this punishment is restricted to System Operators. As such, regular users will need to lodge a report for a Vandal to be banned from the wiki. For consistency and accountability, System Operators are requested to note on this board their actions in dealing with Vandals.

Guidelines for Vandalism Reporting

In dealing with Vandalism, time is often of the essence. As such, we ask that all users include the following information in a Vandalism report:

• A link to the pages in question.

Preferably bolded for visibility. If the Vandalism is occurring over a sufficiently large number of pages, instead include a time range of the vandalism attempt, or alternatively, a link to the first vandalised page. This allows us to quickly find the damage so we can quickly assess the situation.

• The user name of the Vandal.

This allows us to more easily identify the culprit, and to check details.

• A signed datestamp.

For accountability purposes, we ask that you record in your request your user name and the time you lodged the report.

• Please report at the top.

There's conflict with where to post and a lot of the reports are missed. If it's placed at the top of the page it's probably going to be seen and dealt with.

If you see Vandalism in progress, don't wait for System Operators to deal with it, as there may be no System Operator online at the time. Lodge the report, then start reverting pages back to their original form. This can be done by going to the "History" tab at the top of the page, and finding the last edit before the Vandal's attack. When a System Operator is available, they'll assess the situation, and if the report is legitimate, we will take steps to either warn the vandal, or ban them if they are on their second warning.

If the page is long, you can add new reports by editing the top report and placing your new report above its header in the edit screen.

Before Submitting a Report

• This page, Vandal Banning, deals with bad-faith breaches of official policy.
• Interpersonal complaints are better sorted out at UDWiki:Administration/Arbitration.
• As much as is practical, assume good faith and try to iron out problems with other users one to one, only using this page as a last resort.
• Avoid submitting reports which are petty.

Vandalism Report Space

Administration Notice Talk with the user before reporting or accusing someone of vandalism for small edits. In most cases it's simply a case of a new user that doesn't know how this wiki works. Sometimes assuming good faith and speaking with others can avoid a lot of drama, and can even help newbies feel part of this community. Administration Notice If you are not a System Operator, the user who made the vandal report, the user being reported, or directly involved in the case, the administration asks that you use the talk page for further discussion. Free-for-all commenting can lead to a less respectful environment. Administration Notice Warned users can remove one entry of their warning history every one month and 250 edits after their last warning. Remember to ask a sysop to remove them in due time. You are as responsible for keeping track of your history as the sysops are; In case of a sysop wrongly punishing you due to an outdated history, he might not be punished for his actions.

July 2009

User:MisterGame

MisterGame (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	{{{1}}}
Action taken	{{{2}}}

Posted on the A/VB main page when he's been involved in so many cases of this sort of thing that it's almost (but not quite) funny that he still thinks he has the right to in cases that don't involve him. --Cyberbob 16:14, 7 July 2009 (BST)

I have seen you move Jed's comments to the talk countless times, and he's more experienced then I am, could I sense some bias there? Also, this rule your talking about, is enforced very selectively by sysops, sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. Finally, I'm being asked not forced.--Thadeous Oakley 16:22, 7 July 2009 (BST)

If you think I am biased towards Jed you're even dumber than you look and act. As for the rest it's all literally the same tired old arguments that get trotted out every time one of these cases is brought up. --Cyberbob 16:27, 7 July 2009 (BST)

I said you moved his comments, without making a vandal case. But then again, you do whatever you like Bob.--Thadeous Oakley 16:41, 7 July 2009 (BST)

If you are not a System Operator, the user who made the vandal report, the user being reported, or directly involved in the case, the administration asks that you use the talk page for further discussion. Free-for-all commenting can lead to a less respectful environment. Change that policy into a forceful rule, or leave it. Also, you did the exact thing in Arb case where you were not involved in. --Thadeous Oakley 16:44, 7 July 2009 (BST)

I don't have to change it - there are numerous examples of people being escalated for posting on this page after being told not to (the word "asks" only gives you some leeway on the first few times, not full-on carte blanche). As for the Arbitration case I notice you never did link me to the place with that "guideline" you kept citing. Second time's the charm? --Cyberbob 16:47, 7 July 2009 (BST)

There are also numerous examples of people's comments not being moved to talk for various reasons.--Thadeous Oakley 17:00, 7 July 2009 (BST)

None of which apply to your particular comment I'm afraid (still no link I see... third time perhaps?). --Cyberbob 17:01, 7 July 2009 (BST)

My comment was on-topic. Just like Jed's comment here. Oh look, his comments are on the main page! But how can this be? He is not involved after all, and yet his comments aren't moved to talk nor does he receive a vandal case. Perhaps because sysops enforce this rule selectively?--Thadeous Oakley 17:07, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Speaking of arbies cases, I'd like to point out this litle bit in the case he already accepted (While I did not, it doesn't change the fact that he did):

- MisterGame is not to contribute to admin pages that don't ask for community input unless he is an involved party (the talk pages are still open to comment though). Admin pages such as A/D ask for community input (votes), while A/VB is discussed by sysops and involved parties only (reporting an A/VB case counts as being involved).

"Well at least I chose an good arbitrator...Fine, I'll accept your ruling Boxy.--Thadeous Oakley 23:08, 22 June 2009 (BST)"

Ho, look at that. Can't even follow a simple arbies ruling he agreed to. Just like I knew he couldn't. Hell, I doubt he even fully read it.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 17:08, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Can't even accept a simple arbies ruling he agreed to by accepting arbitration in the first place. Hypocrite.--Thadeous Oakley 17:35, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Then again, the ruling was shit on the talking ban. This right here should be a perfect example as to why you should be permanently banned from using my talk page.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 17:44, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Still doesn't change the fact that sysops don't enforce this rule 100%. More examples of non-involved users being allowed to comment on the main page, here and here--Thadeous Oakley 17:20, 7 July 2009 (BST)

That still doesn't excuse what you've done and how it is wrong. You are specifically prohibited from adding to these pages. If you have a problem with other users doing it, then consider changing the guidelines. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 17:22, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Well, in light of the arbitration ruling, there is no reason why Mistergame should have been commenting on any part of Cyberbob's case, and hence this is vandalism. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 17:19, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Question What would your ruling have been without the arby ruling? Just asking.--Thadeous Oakley 17:22, 7 July 2009 (BST)

I would have ruled not vandalism, and I would have used this case as a basis incase Bob ever brought you here again for the same reason (in which I would have deemed what you had done the second time as vandalism). D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 17:25, 7 July 2009 (BST)

I would have handled this all myself by now, but since it's a 24 hour ban, I'd like a second sysop to come in and confirm/review this case. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 05:14, 8 July 2009 (BST)

User:Cyberbob240

Cyberbob240 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	{{{1}}}
Action taken	{{{2}}}

Thoughts people? --xoxo 15:28, 7 July 2009 (BST)

If that isn't a fishing expedition I don't know what is. --Cyberbob 15:29, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Someone want to rule on this or not? --Cyberbob 01:29, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Not Vandalism I suppose.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 01:32, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Vandalism - The precedence(s) that every noob like me was probably thinking of, in relation to that policy. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 02:55, 8 July 2009 (BST)

User:11 buy adalat

11 buy adalat (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Adbot
Action taken	Permaban

Adbot. --Cyberbob 13:49, 6 July 2009 (BST)

User:Martyr

Martyr (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

Hey, look who's back to stir up more trouble. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 01:29, 6 July 2009 (BST)

Link said:

There was a fire in SA's apartment block, hence the lack of vote. Linkthewindow Talk 03:32, 5 July 2009 (BST)

You want a vote? Here's the start of a damn vote. If anyone says no to the vote, I cite Conndraka starting a vote on A/M where if at least one user asks for it, it's allowed to be started.

Continued permaban of izumi and any alternate accounts

1. Fuck letting her off in any way whatsoever. OH WOE IS ME THE ADMIN TEAM IS SO SHIT *makes tens and tens of vandal alts* *alts get banned* BAWWWW I'M SO HARD DONE BY --Cyberbob 02:29, 6 July 2009 (BST)
2. I don't want to discuss this, it is stupid. Unfortunately for Izumi, I don't have the "honor" to allow her to have her say as she honorably makes scores of alts to spurt out her "say", which includes begging us to listen to her opinion while she rants about how fucked we are, cries using flawed logic and then continues to do so after we use policy to ban her. My ears would be open to Izumi if she didn't use such an idiotic method of getting our attention. As far as I'm concerned, you had chances and you fucked them up, as below. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 02:59, 6 July 2009 (BST)
3. Giving in to threats of continued sockpuppet vandalism only encourages future banned vandals to throw similar tantrums. This is the legitimate way to contest a ban that you think is unfair -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 03:30 6 July 2009 (BST)
4. If we do this, we'll only be encouraging future vandalism. "I don't want to be banned - I'll created a million sockpuppets, annoy the hell out of the admins and the community, and hope they throw a vote to unban me!" Although I honestly know little about the circumstances surrounding Izumi's perma, I do know that creating sockpuppet accounts isn't the way to go about getting yourself unbanned. Especially when those socks troll active users, vandalize pages and generally be an ass. For the record, I wouldn't be against the unbanning of former vandals, as a "last chance," but not after they've created 50+ socks. Linkthewindow  Talk  07:36, 6 July 2009 (BST)
5. As above. The thing that I find interesting is that even though we've banned her IP address she seems able to get around the block on that same IP address. =/ -- Cheese 14:49, 6 July 2009 (BST)

   Not anymore, the IP was "blocked", but the option to only block anonymous users must have been checked, meaning that signed up accounts (the only ones we have on UDWiki) could still post. I unblocked the IP and reblocked it properly a day or two ago, which is why she's been using other proxies lately -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 22:35 6 July 2009 (BST)

6. Considering the continued disrespect for the rules....If she took a year and then came back and apologized maybe then...but not now. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 16:58, 6 July 2009 (BST)
7. Agreeing with Bob for the second time today.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:43, 6 July 2009 (BST)

Modification of izumi's perma ban in some way.

1. Unban her main account. As it is now, she has nothing to lose by vandalizing because her accounts are already ban on site so wtf difference does vandalizing something add to that? You can't say that "well, if she wanted to reform she should use her permaban evasion account to do good." That's really dumb. She has contacted sysops in a reasonable manner asking for a "pardon" with no results. Why not negotiate with her and try to solve this in a way that is less of a hassle for us all? --– Nubis ^NWO 13:12, 6 July 2009 (BST)

Viable options include: Lowering the ban to a definite amount of time (For example, 6 months), unbanning her main account but giving her a single chance until she's re-perma'd, keeping her current accounts banned but not banning any non-vandalizing alts we discover, etc.

Fucking discuss.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 02:04, 6 July 2009 (BST)

Vote concluded at 7 for the continuation of the ban, and 1 for the modification of the ban in some way. Her ban continues as is, with no chance of ever being changed unless a policy is instated that would somehow affect her ban. This sound good?--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 00:34, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Doesn't matter whether it sounds good to us or the community, it's up to Izumi to decide whether she's been hard done by yet again. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 01:35, 7 July 2009 (BST)

You really think she won't? --Cyberbob 02:20, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Nup. Just saying. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 02:48, 7 July 2009 (BST)

(banned the account, by the way) --Cyberbob 07:20, 6 July 2009 (BST)

User:Renamon

Renamon (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

Izumi alt. --Cyberbob 00:31, 6 July 2009 (BST)

User:Aloha246

Aloha246 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

Izumi alt. --Cyberbob 07:55, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:Wiki Crusader

Wiki Crusader (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

Izumi alt. --Cyberbob 07:49, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:No_Escape

No_Escape (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

No one's forcing you to be a vandal, but you seem to be forcing yourself to be an idiot. (Izumi alt) --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 07:34, 5 July 2009 (BST)

(if you dignify serial vandals with even the most cursory of comments it only spurs them on no matter how "witty" you are) --Cyberbob 07:36, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:DiaperBob240

DiaperBob240 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

Izumi alt. --Cyberbob 07:25, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:DiaperBob

DiaperBob (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

Izumi alt. --Cyberbob 07:23, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:Darth Izumi

Darth Izumi (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

Izumi alt. --Cyberbob 07:17, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:The Vandalizer

The Vandalizer (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

Izumi alt. --Cyberbob 06:31, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:Celestial Runeseeker

Celestial Runeseeker (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Perma

Izumi alts strike again! --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 05:22, 5 July 2009 (BST)

Banned again -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 05:31 5 July 2009 (BST)

Anyone against doing a manual IP block? I've checked her IP using this and it isn't shown as a proxy. Linkthewindow  Talk  05:39, 5 July 2009 (BST)

Handled it. It gave me the "...is already blocked" message so I guess either IPs are indeed blocked for the entire duration of the user's ban or we'll just have to wait until it wears off. --Cyberbob 06:41, 5 July 2009 (BST)

Your feeble bans are no match for the dark side of the force. Darth Izumi 07:15, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:LinktheDildo

LinktheDildo (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Izumi alt
Action taken	Permabanned

And again. Linkthewindow  Talk  05:13, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:Beautiful_Lotus

Beautiful_Lotus (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Izumi alt
Action taken	Permabanned

Looks like another one, from edits similar to below. I'm not quite sure what happened to "I'm done with your stupid wiki and its nazi moderators." --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 03:58, 5 July 2009 (BST)

Altnes confirmed via checkuser. Linkthewindow  Talk  05:07, 5 July 2009 (BST)

Truly, it has been proven now that Link and Boxy are merely trolls in management positions. How did it come to this? LinktheDildo 05:11, 5 July 2009 (BST)

How mature of you. Linkthewindow  Talk  05:12, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:Boxy is a Sissy Girl

Boxy is a Sissy Girl (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	perma

Hal can help! --Haliman - Talk 03:40, 5 July 2009 (BST)

Gone -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 03:46 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:Rectification

Rectification (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

And again (Boxy got this one.) Linkthewindow  Talk  03:29, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:Angelfood_Cake

Angelfood_Cake (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

And again (another Izumi alt.) Linkthewindow  Talk  03:18, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:Messenger

Messenger (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permaban

See below - another Izumi alt. Linkthewindow  Talk  02:57, 5 July 2009 (BST)

User:Neozumi

Neozumi (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal alt
Action taken	Permban

Got a suspicion that this is an alt of Izumi. I would ban her right away, but I'll wait for someone who knows the history of the cases more (unless she starts off with more vandalism.) Linkthewindow  Talk  02:38, 5 July 2009 (BST)

Perma - it is indeed -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 02:49 5 July 2009 (BST)

Can we just fucking let the permaban go on this one? I mean, Grim took over the fucking wiki and only got 6 months. All she did is be a pest and evade a ban for vandalism. I mean, this is fucking retarded. Let her make REAL mistakes and then deal with it. FFs, you put up with all these other troll fucks spamming the wiki and actually bothering and harassing people, but you draw the line at some crazy chick that just wants to be here? --– Nubis ^NWO 03:07, 5 July 2009 (BST)

As I said here, "Izumi has always been a "real" vandal, editing group pages, other people's posts, even after plenty of warnings, and then comes back after the ban and does the exact same thing again, and when she gets done for it, as she had to, she starts spamming the forum with dozens of alt accounts. She's not someone who we want back, given that the first bloody thing she did was vandalise the wiki again with throw away accounts. Don't encourage her, FFS" -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 03:14 5 July 2009 (BST)

Really? May I ask how the fuck that is your decision to make? I demand a full vote with input from every sysop, NOT Boxy who has been on Grim's side since the beginning and refuses to even respond to me when I address him directly. How the hell does that constitute good moderation? That's just cowardly, he knows I have a point but how dare he be proven wrong, its easier to simply continue to ban me. If you want a real vandal, then that's what you'll get, but not until I'm sure everyone here has forsaken me. And SuicidalAngel has told me directly that he would hold a vote in my name, this was months ago, and I've received no update thus far. So here I am. Give me some form of decency or I'll simply keep coming back here to haunt you. Rectification 03:26, 5 July 2009 (BST)

It's not my decision to make whether Izumi is permbanned. It's clear policy. Izumi got escalated to a month ban by multiple sysops before Grim ever got involved. It was inevitable that she was going to chuck a wobbly and start creating alt accounts no matter which sysop had the job of giving her that month ban, and once that started it was also inevitable that she'd wind up permbanned. It's not any individual sysop that caused it, but rather Izumi's own flawed personality and lack of any form of common sense -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 03:30 5 July 2009 (BST)

There was a fire in SA's apartment block, hence the lack of vote. Linkthewindow  Talk  03:32, 5 July 2009 (BST)

Okay Boxy, how many times must I bring this up? LISTEN this time! Really! Open your ears!!! WIKI POLICY, as you are so fond of upholding when it suits you, states that users are only punished for BAD FAITH. None of my alts accounts have committed any acts of vandalism other than existing. And they will continue to exist, regardless of your actions. I've got them piled up, just in case you IP ban my proxies; I've got well over 50 I haven't even used yet. So LISTEN this time: I have broken no rules of the wiki in over two years. Any reasonable sysop would consider that time served, especially for someone with no interest of causing any problems. Your red-tape BS is accomplishing NOTHING. Nothing is going to be harmed if I am allowed to return. I will keep to myself. I will NOT cause even a slight amount of drama. I've proven this time and time again over the last two years. So please tell, WHAT REASON IS THERE FOR YOU TO CONTINUE TREATING ME LIKE A VILLAIN OTHER THAN TO BE A POMPUS DICK? Think about it. Boxy is a Sissy Girl 03:38, 5 July 2009 (BST)

"None of my alts accounts have committed any acts of vandalism other than existing".

This is one of Izumi's contributions with a sock puppet. Clear cut vandalism to community pages with two seperate alts, and only 5 months ago. There are three options, either Izumi has a very short memory, is delusional, or is a flat out liar. The fact that we have a number of sysops that are prepared to actively "look the other way" on a clear and persistent vandal is unbelievable. If you don't want the job of banning this vandal's sockpuppets, then go to A/PD and create a policy to give her (specifically her) another chance, or head over to A/DM -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 07:22 5 July 2009 (BST)

Well, clearly the approach of banning like crazy is working. And I love how once again, anytime someone has an opinion other than yours let's just fucking tell them to go to A/DM. Very open minded of you there. I can see why you are so respected.--– Nubis ^NWO 15:40, 5 July 2009 (BST)

And I love how you ignored me telling you the solution. Put it to an A/PD vote, and if the community wants her back for one more chance then so it will be. But just sending the message that "if you proxy up, and cause enough of a ruckus, we'll just let you off because it's all too hard" is just going to encourage more of the same in the future, and is hardly fair to others who complied with their bans -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 22:17 5 July 2009 (BST)

I simply love how you are all for enforcing bureaucratic nonsense while ignoring the purpose they are supposed to uphold. Permabans are for getting rid of career vandals who edit purely in "bad faith". I can point out exactly where this is stated, if you like. I can also point out the little overlooked rule that says bans are not in place to punish users, which seems to be the case here, by the way, but to reform them, at which point they are, and I quote,welcome to return and edit the wiki. I have tried and tried to point this out in the past, but it has fallen on deaf ears. But at the very least, I will ensure that every user here knows, that the sysops here do not enforce the rules, but their own marshal law. If the community is fine with this, then so be it. But I suggest anyone who has a sense of honor calls Boxy's bluff and takes this to A/PD. If not for me then for the sake of the community, because a wiki is supposed to be a democracy, not a socialist hell. Renamon 00:27, 6 July 2009 (BST)

User:Jason 'Fock'n' Stafam

Jason 'Fock'n' Stafam (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Not vandalism
Action taken	None required

Harassment of Calista Griffin.

Example1

Example2 Posted under a sock puppet

This Page provides context to the comments on her physical appearance. Someone was stalkerish enough to track down Calista's Real Life Myspace page, took the pictures off it and posted them on twitter Here (Link is now down as twitter suspended the account due to impersonation and harassment) --MoonShine 13:07, 4 July 2009 (BST)

Not vandalism - there is a limit to what they can reveal here, but petty little quips like this about someone's appearance, on their own page, don't hit the limit for me -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 14:47 4 July 2009 (BST)

User:Imthatguy

Imthatguy (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandalism
Action taken	24hr ban

Spamming people's talk pages with his "revolution". At the time of this report he's posted it on 16 different talk pages (check his contribs because I'm not going to post all those links). My memory on this is sketchy but I think the cutoff for this sort of thing being vandalism is 12 talk pages or something? --Cyberbob 05:16, 4 July 2009 (BST)

Just spreading the word.......... DOWN WITH THE CRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! --Imthatguy 05:18, 4 July 2009 (BST)

I was under the impression it was 20.--xoxo 05:39, 4 July 2009 (BST)

It is generally about 20, yes but, there's also the situational thing, so while most things limit to 20 for escalations blatant spam is still spam. --Karek^maps?! 06:48, 4 July 2009 (BST)

This isn't a ruling just an opinion, because I don't have the desire to check it out...BUT if all he did was post those on all the crat pages then its "Not Vandalism" but if he posted to other individuals as well as AND exceeded the usual spam level then it is "Vandalism". As Sysops we have to realize that this comes with the territory of being a sysop and if somebody wants to make a statement to all of us (no matter how many of us there are) then we've got to deal with it and delete/revert it off your/our talk pages if you/we are so inclined. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 08:50, 4 July 2009 (BST)

I agree with Conn, but he's also posted it on the following three: [1], [2] and [3]. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 08:53, 4 July 2009 (BST)

Plus the final straw here a community page, I'm saying vandalism because there is no good that could come out of this spamming. At leased for us power-hungry elitists, of course. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:19, 4 July 2009 (BST)

Funny how General Discussion is for thing such as what i posted --Imthatguy 01:29, 6 July 2009 (BST)

Sure I'll be fueling his fantasies by doing this, but spamming all the sysop pages, one community page, a few regular (non-sysop) user pages, and a newbie's page is vandalism. It's bad faith, and it's annoying. Linkthewindow  Talk  10:56, 4 July 2009 (BST)

This will be a 24 hr ban, as he's got two escalations and isn't eligible for a deescalation. Anyone else want to rule? Linkthewindow  Talk  11:00, 4 July 2009 (BST)

24hr ban - it was fine, up to the point where you started putting it on non-sysop pages, a step too far. If you're serious, make your point on General Discussion rather than simply spamming your template -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 13:35 4 July 2009 (BST)

User:Cutan

Cutan (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Spambot
Action taken	Permabanned

Created the page Gjhjhkj, which is full of weird outside links, and one to "cheap gucci sneakers". I want to say another spambot or weird vandal.--SirArgo ^Talk 18:07, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Killzored -- Cheese 18:18, 1 July 2009 (BST)

User:MoonShine

MoonShine (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandalism
Action taken	Warned

Posting a humourous suggestion in the regular suggestions area. I'm tempted to take DDR to Misconduct for voting Keep on it but we'll see. --Cyberbob 03:14, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Vandalism - Suggestions deemed humorous are considered vandalism, simple. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 03:42, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Semi taken from talk page: From the notfunny template: "If you are unsure of a how a suggestion will be viewed by the community, it is recommended that it be placed on the Developing Suggestions page first, to gauge community support, and to improve it before being taken to voting."

As you'll see here i put it to discussion where it met near unanimous approval and i subsequently added it to voting. "11:38 AM DanceDanceRevolution: and you're going to get VB'd for that suggestion" this was the closest thing to a warning that it would not be taken seriously i received you will notice that it is timestamped at XX:38. the suggestion page in question was created at XX:33 at which point there was nothing and still is nothing on the discussion page saying it should be classed as humorous. --MoonShine 04:37, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I was edit conflicted on the talk page but I was about to confirm that I wasn't sure whether I had warned Moonie via IRC before or after the suggestion. Either way, it still means you shouldn't be surprised by this outcome. Sorry :( And regardless of being warned beforehand/afterwards, rules is rules. No humorous stuff in suggestions. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:46, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I'm not terribly surprised but i believe i should receive a warning or at most a 24hr ban which counts as a first warning possibly accompanied by a rewrite of the suggestion pages to prevent something like this happening again. I was serious and i followed the instructions to the letter. --MoonShine 04:54, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Er, why would you receive anything more than a warning? You do know what the escalation guidelines are, right? --Cyberbob 04:55, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Well DDR asked if he could give me a VB in IRC and *looks up* that's a fancy page title. Yes i do but i thought there was some fancy sysop-fu going on to escalate it to a ban --MoonShine 04:58, 1 July 2009 (BST)

ummmmm well you're wrong. I honestly don't know what could have given you that impression but yeah - it never happened. --Cyberbob 04:59, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I could have sworn I asked if I could give you the warning... But no, you won't be banned. We aren't barbarians, you know. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 05:00, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Ok fine i will accept my spanking/warning on the condition that is performed by Linkthewindow (preferably signed as jess) and the entry on my talk page makes reference to a paddle --MoonShine 05:16, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Vandalism - What DDR said. We can't devalue the suggestion system (more) as most of that stuff is read by Kevan. As Gnome said on the talk page, rules are rules, and we don't want to dilute the quality of suggestions even more. Also, your discussion was obviously meatpuppeted. IRC rules, eh :P Linkthewindow  Talk  05:20, 1 July 2009 (BST)