UDWiki:Administration/Vandal Banning/Archive/2008 08
Vandal Banning Archive | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
August 2008
User:BERKMAN FRICK
BERKMAN FRICK (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
well, I'm glad the A/VB page is working again, as I spotted some vandalism a while ago. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 18:52, 20 August 2008 (BST)
User:ETHANCOLE1
ETHANCOLE1 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
All edits are to an enemy group's page, plus uploading an image against one of their members -- boxy talk • i 08:56 20 August 2008 (BST)
- OK, I've warned him myself, seeing as it's an obvious case -- boxy talk • i 03:07 21 August 2008 (BST)
User:Obvious bad faith
Obvoius bad faith (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Yet another WikiNews Goatse.--SirArgo Talk 01:33, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- Ok guys... Time to get in contact with the proxies (if possible) and trace it to buddy's ISP... It's obviously one person doing this... Get his interwebz cut off, and his daddy might beat him some more, and we'll all be happy. --WanYao 01:37, 19 August 2008 (BST)
User:Il roche
Il roche (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Preemptive strike. He uploaded an image.--SirArgo Talk 00:30, 19 August 2008 (BST)
What did he put in my talk????? Protect all of my pages please, and I know this is not the place to ask for this.--SirArgo Talk 00:31, 19 August 2008 (BST)- No. I need my pages I have work to do on them still.--SirArgo Talk 00:40, 19 August 2008 (BST)
Blocked. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:33, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- Why are none of these vandals being put on A/VD?--xoxo 01:11, 19 August 2008 (BST)
User:Awkward Duckling
Awkward Duckling (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Check his contribs, preemptive ban on the image he uploaded, but I'd advise against looking at it. He's obviously going to vandalize a page with it. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 00:14, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- FUCKING GOATSE! BAN HIM NOW!--SirArgo Talk 00:16, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- Looks like he's hit the Wiki News page. Can't say I didn't see it coming and warn yall... Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 00:17, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- Why the fuck is Gman making these accounts? Techercizer, I read your warning too late. He is a sick fuck...--SirArgo Talk 00:18, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- Well acting angry and emotional about it isn't gonna discourage him, just ignore him except for tracking and reporting his alts, and he'll go away. People like him don't get enough attention in their lives, so they try to get it online by acting out. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 00:23, 19 August 2008 (BST)
Blocked. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:20, 19 August 2008 (BST)
User: Secruss
Secruss (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
[isn't] [there] [a] [rule] [about] [NOT] [spaming] [pages][on] [this] [wiki] [With] [event] [advertisements] [like] [that] [5th] [of] [November] [Dude] [used] [Do?] Cause seriously there's prolly twenty more of these admverts he's been spamming all over. Go look at his user contributions.--Kristi of the Dead 23:56, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- While annoying if we declare this is vandalism then we will have to do the same for the Great Suburb Massacre since they are both leaving lots of messages on talk pages. If the groups want them removed they can, but it seems to be a legit event that has a place on those pages. (also sign your posts)--– Nubis NWO 23:53, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- I was gonna sign my post but someone was editing what I posted as I did so. Sorry. Tell me again what you did about the 5th of november spammings? Cause those were about a legit event as well? I seem to remember them being removed or something. Also the Great suburb massacre isn't an event in game it's about cleaning up the wiki and isn't relevant.--Kristi of the Dead 23:54, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- I don't remember the 5th of November incident so hopefully some other sysop will chime in on that. I don't know how an event can get any attention any other way outside of posting on talk pages, so I am not sure how else they can do this. It's annoying, but what are their options? (I understand why you missed signing your post - editing all those links is a pain)--– Nubis NWO 00:03, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- The 5th of november guys did the exact same thing. Only difference was that theirs was pro survivor. It got them in trouble as I remember. But as for what they should do. They should make a wiki page for the event like everyone else does. You didn't see the Big Bash wiki spamming their event all over the place. You didn't see the Mall tour spamming all over the place. That's what the precident was (in my mind at least)--Kristi of the Dead 00:07, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- Here.-- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:09, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- Well hey you are helpful! Thanks man. Looks like grim warned him and reverted all the edits made for the 5th of november stuff.--Kristi of the Dead 00:13, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- The Great Suburb Massacre is a wiki maintenance thing. This is just spam. Burn the witch!!! --WanYao 00:45, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- Well hey you are helpful! Thanks man. Looks like grim warned him and reverted all the edits made for the 5th of november stuff.--Kristi of the Dead 00:13, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- Here.-- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:09, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- The 5th of november guys did the exact same thing. Only difference was that theirs was pro survivor. It got them in trouble as I remember. But as for what they should do. They should make a wiki page for the event like everyone else does. You didn't see the Big Bash wiki spamming their event all over the place. You didn't see the Mall tour spamming all over the place. That's what the precident was (in my mind at least)--Kristi of the Dead 00:07, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- I don't remember the 5th of November incident so hopefully some other sysop will chime in on that. I don't know how an event can get any attention any other way outside of posting on talk pages, so I am not sure how else they can do this. It's annoying, but what are their options? (I understand why you missed signing your post - editing all those links is a pain)--– Nubis NWO 00:03, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- I was gonna sign my post but someone was editing what I posted as I did so. Sorry. Tell me again what you did about the 5th of november spammings? Cause those were about a legit event as well? I seem to remember them being removed or something. Also the Great suburb massacre isn't an event in game it's about cleaning up the wiki and isn't relevant.--Kristi of the Dead 23:54, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- This has been ruled vandalism in the past, as should this case. The Suburb Massacre template is a wiki maintenance thing, and a courtesy to the groups, letting them know that something that they have contributed to the wiki, and may want to save, is about to be changed, and is no more spam than placing warning templates on multiple vandal's pages. This sort of "cold calling" where you post on dozens of group/user talk pages with a cut'n'paste ad in the hope of getting a few takers to publicise an in game event is, however -- boxy talk • i 02:31 19 August 2008 (BST)
User:Bibby the hobbit
Bibby the hobbit (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
impersonation, also, check his contribs. Are we IP banning every one of these guys? cuz if not then that's a problem... Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 23:29, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- He has too many proxies. I have been fighting him, and over five accounts of his, for over two hours.--SirArgo Talk 23:30, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- Once the mods get interested it'll stop being a problem. It takes them 2 clicks to clean up his mess and like 8 for him to make it. net win for justice! Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 23:33, 18 August 2008 (BST)
Blocked by Krazy -- boxy talk • i 02:52 19 August 2008 (BST)
User:French of Q
French of Q (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Another account that is creating bad pages.--SirArgo Talk 23:21, 18 August 2008 (BST)
User: 1918 Reshad
1918 Reshad (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Another account of the people below. He's making bad pages.--SirArgo Talk 23:19, 18 August 2008 (BST)
User:Gay sex
Gay sex (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
He baaaaaaaaaaaaack...........--SirArgo Talk 23:04, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- In case you haven't noticed he's Gman.--User:Wat/Signature 18:13, 18 August 2008 (GSX)
Oh looky, its another account. I bet you feel like a big man, attacking the Wiki.--SirArgo Talk 23:14, 18 August 2008 (BST)
User:FOCK ME
FOCK ME (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Same guy as below. Creating bad pages and general vandalism. Check contribs.--SirArgo Talk 22:54, 18 August 2008 (BST)
User:NESCAFE PENGUIN
NESCAFE PENGUIN (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Check contribs, he's creating bad pages and redirecting them all over the place. I'm sure its the same guy as below.--SirArgo Talk 22:31, 18 August 2008 (BST)
User:A FUACKING BIG NIGGER DlCK
A FUACKING BIG NIGGER DlCK (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Created page Gay a redirect to Zombie Slayer, check contribs. See the entries below because he's the same guy I'd bet. He's making new pages so I can't revert.--SirArgo Talk 22:06, 18 August 2008 (BST)
User:IM HAVING AN ORG4SM YOU MOTHERFUACKER
IM HAVING AN ORG4SM YOU MOTHERFUACKER (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Malton&diff=1251312&oldid=1246100 Swiers 21:43, 18 August 2008 (BST) (permabanned)
- Bazzlions of vandal edits. Check the contribs. --WanYao 21:45, 18 August 2008 (BST)
User:A HeIpfuI LittIe Gnome
A HeIpfuI LittIe Gnome (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
A Malicious Edit to WikiNews here, then protected the page so no one can fix it.--SirArgo Talk 21:34, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- Was this a hack to AHLG account?--SirArgo Talk 21:43, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- Yes, a name workaround. I blocked him. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:44, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- Was that "IM HAVING AN ORG4ZM YOU MUTHAFAUKER" him to?--SirArgo Talk 21:45, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- I'm getting to that too. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:46, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- Sorry for blaming you, I was just trying to keep some sort of vandal report up here after it got deleted by the imposter.--SirArgo Talk 21:48, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- I'm getting to that too. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:46, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- Was that "IM HAVING AN ORG4ZM YOU MUTHAFAUKER" him to?--SirArgo Talk 21:45, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- Yes, a name workaround. I blocked him. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:44, 18 August 2008 (BST)
My question is, how did the vandal do that? Impersonate you I mean.--SirArgo Talk 22:01, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- But seriously...how did someone protect using a account that was name workaroundeded? I presume this is the same thing that means Kevan is on A/VD but i still don't see how they protected the page...--xoxo 01:09, 19 August 2008 (BST)
- It didn't, they just put that text in the summary. There's nothing in the logs.--Karekmaps?! 01:24, 19 August 2008 (BST)
User:Ninja13
Ninja13 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
This edit certainly straddles the border of impersonation, if not actually crossing into the zone... Ninja13 has been around a while and knows how to sign posts. But here he fails to sign a post, and instead adds the names "Nubis" and "Wan Yao" to the end... Somehow I just can't believe that this "oversight" was an "accident". Can you? It's obviously not impersonation exactly... But close e-fucking-nough? --WanYao 06:11, 18 August 2008 (BST)
- It's trolling and not very good. I guess I left what is a soft warning on his talk page, but the next time he does that I will say vandalism.--– Nubis NWO 06:24, 18 August 2008 (BST)
Not vandalism - it's pretty hard to believe that he was actually trying to impersonate 2 people at once (unless you guys have a joint account I don't know about). He still should have signed his parody though, and I will tell him so -- boxy talk • i 15:37 18 August 2008 (BST)
- The sinister global domination plot is at last revealed. All is going exactly according to plan... Yes, Nubis and I are ONE!!! My "Hive Mind Apparatus" works! It really works!!! Cower in fear, mortals, everything you have ever known to be true is about to come crashing down around you... Bwahahahaha... --WanYao 23:34, 18 August 2008 (BST)
User:DoubleG
DoubleG (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Malicious link. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 16:45, 16 August 2008 (BST)
User:Gman isa CHARGING HIS ION CANNON
Gman isa CHARGING HIS ION CANNON (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
This guy again. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 16:40, 16 August 2008 (BST)
User:Blasto
Blasto (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Pretty much everything. Especially this attempt at parody. --Bob Fortune RR 22:42, 15 August 2008 (BST)
Creating spam pages and spamming existing ones. Not the adbot kind of spam. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 21:49, 15 August 2008 (BST)
[1] If all he's going to do is try to screw up the page alot, he more of a nuisance than anything else. --Sir WV 21:52, 15 August 2008 (BST)
- Merged the
23 complaints since I just permabanned him for having no useful contributions at all.--– Nubis NWO 22:43, 15 August 2008 (BST)
Also blocked Blaste as a sock puppet/alt. --– Nubis NWO 22:53, 15 August 2008 (BST)
User:Fish4Frogsx
Fish4Frogsx (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
[2] I think, I don't deal much with this type of thing though so it should probably be reviewed by someone else who does.--Karekmaps?! 08:09, 14 August 2008 (BST)
user:Asdfghjkl
Asdfghjkl (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
admitted Ioncannon alt for ban evasion...again. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 16:00, 14 August 2008 (BST)
- From Official Policy: Attempting to circumvent a ban will result in an escalation without any warning, for each attempted circumvention.
- So should Ioncannon get a Perma Voting for each if these alts if his first one fails? Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 05:58, 15 August 2008 (BST)
Perma - whoever it is, it's bad faith sockpuppetry -- boxy talk • i 14:37 18 August 2008 (BST)
user:Lkjhgfdsa
Lkjhgfdsa (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
admitted Ioncannon alt for ban evasion. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 16:00, 14 August 2008 (BST)
- Perma - whoever it is, is a sockpuppet acting in bad faith, so gorn, and the proxy blocked -- boxy talk • i 14:29 18 August 2008 (BST)
User:TEAm4za
TEAm4za (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Vandalism - Jonny12 talk 15:00, 14 August 2008 (BST)
User:Highhi
Highhi (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
More Ads, More Spam. 2 in 2 days now. I rule at this. Im going to go off and do something more cool. I may try and write down all the suburbs i can without looking. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:29, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Perma Ross - if you are bored you can work on the images :) --– Nubis NWO 13:38, 12 August 2008 (BST)
User:Ioncannon13
Ioncannon13 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Impersonation. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 11:04, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Permabanned - whoever it is is a sockpuppet acting in bad faith -- boxy talk • i 14:33 18 August 2008 (BST)
User:Ioncannon
Ioncannon (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Wiped various bits of the VB page. And also made this edit to current suggestions. -- Cheese 10:13, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Permabanned by the way. I beginning to think that this is not Ioncannon on a revenge streak. -- Cheese 10:16, 12 August 2008 (BST)
User:TotalMacho
TotalMacho (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
this and this, Hell, I'm glad to have Ion's hate-spam off these pages, but is he allowed to do that? Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 01:15, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- That is NOT Ion; I am in Ion's group and this is someone purposely framing him. It is obvious this is blatant trolling, even if you think this is Ion, and that makes it okay to delete. TotalMacho 01:18, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Blatant trolling is allowed here though, you can't delete something just because it's offensive. It's unfortunate, but it's true. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 01:21, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Sure you can if it's against this rules. This is somebody who didn't sign their edits, as I've been told is vandalism, and trolling probably isn't allowed on admin pages. That makes it a double offense??? You said yourself it's spam. Stop spamming up these pages with useless reports. TotalMacho 01:23, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Well the thing is, you can't go around deleting others' comments just because you don't like what they say. It was pointless and it was mean, but that's not against the rules per say, at least I don't think. I don't know if not signing your edits is vandalism, but if it is then that was indeed delete-able. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 01:26, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Blatant trolling is allowed here though, you can't delete something just because it's offensive. It's unfortunate, but it's true. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 01:21, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Yes, it is vandalism, and remember: you have to look at whether it was good or bad faith. It was stupid threats to keep using proxies to frame Ion, and that's bad faith. Bad faith edits are vandalism. TotalMacho 01:29, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Precedence has shown that posts created by vandal accounts are removed regardless of content. All further discussion should go onto the talk page. Just wait for a sysop to rule. - Jedaz - 01:32/12/08/2008
- Yes, thank you. TotalMacho 01:35, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Precedence has shown that posts created by vandal accounts are removed regardless of content. All further discussion should go onto the talk page. Just wait for a sysop to rule. - Jedaz - 01:32/12/08/2008
An IP check reveals it to be an open proxy, I believe we have a policy against those?--The General T Sys U! P! F! 16:53, 14 August 2008 (BST)
- Good point, does that constitute a separate case? Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 17:00, 14 August 2008 (BST)
User:Autofinance
Spam!!!!! --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:24, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- Ross, you know that now you will never get low low rates on your next new car or house? Permaban--– Nubis NWO 14:25, 11 August 2008 (BST)
By the way,Ive always posted adbots below where it says adbots, and it always gets moved here. Why bother with the section? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:32, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- I just moved it here 1. because I didn't pay attention to what section it was in and 2. to indicate it was dealt with. I think we are both correct in our actions. You were definitely right in yours though. (EDIT: that section is there so we can just ban and go without having to discuss and debate. It's still all checked out of course, but it keeps it from getting lost in case there are multiple VB reports at the time it is reported)--– Nubis NWO 21:18, 11 August 2008 (BST)
User:Vandal_Alt_DUH
Vandal_Alt_DUH (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Obvious vandal, see contributions. - Jedaz - 09:46/11/08/2008
- Perma - Possible Ioncannon alt. I've protected Ioncannon's user and talk pages as a result. -- Cheese 12:54, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- It's Ioncannon11 alright. I couldn't imagine anyone else doing it. Also, I've spotted that he uses more than one account now to do these things. TotalMacho and possibly FS could be his other alts? Anyway. Thanks Jedaz for restoring my page after his little attack. Zephyer 15:37, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- Sorry for shitting up the page with unrelated talk but, Do you have any evidence for the above comment? Ill be posting anything else on the Talk page. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:53, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- Nothing concrete, but the IP address used by this guy and Fucgrim are very close. -- Cheese 15:59, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- And saying that ive just read the talk page and looked at the totalmacho contribs, and agree its a fair bet. Ignore me.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:01, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- Sorry, but "very close" is not good enough... It could very well be ioncannon using a different computer in the same library, or something... or... Or it could another person, his buddy, who lives down the road and uses the same ISP. IPs being "very close" is not good enough, you know better than that. Now, if you can establish, say, that they're different nodes of the same proxy, for example, that's different... But nothing like that has been established as far as I know... **goes to check the Talk page now** --WanYao 20:55, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- And saying that ive just read the talk page and looked at the totalmacho contribs, and agree its a fair bet. Ignore me.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 16:01, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- Nothing concrete, but the IP address used by this guy and Fucgrim are very close. -- Cheese 15:59, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- Sorry for shitting up the page with unrelated talk but, Do you have any evidence for the above comment? Ill be posting anything else on the Talk page. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:53, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- It's Ioncannon11 alright. I couldn't imagine anyone else doing it. Also, I've spotted that he uses more than one account now to do these things. TotalMacho and possibly FS could be his other alts? Anyway. Thanks Jedaz for restoring my page after his little attack. Zephyer 15:37, 11 August 2008 (BST)
User:Zephyer
Zephyer (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Changing the 173/blacklist page even though it's not his group. My leader asked me to come on here. TotalMacho 00:21, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- Not Vandalism - Looks more like a name fix from the Cult of The Fallen Gay to the Cult of The Fallen God for accuracy purposes, probably provoked by Ioncannon after he apparently didn't like Zephyer adding a link to the page. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:55, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- We're making fun of them on purpose. He's doing it again!!! THIS IS NOT HIS GROUP PAGE AND HE CAN NOT EDIT IT! You set precedent with sonny's imperium must die page!!! It is okay if he didn't know at first, BUT NOW IT IS VANDALISM!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TotalMacho (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.
- Considering you've been here for a day, it looks increasingly likely that you are an Ioncannon alt. -- Cheese 19:36, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- I just started this game and my leader told me to help him out by checking on the group wiki. Please tell zephyr HE HAS NO RIGHT TO EDIT IT!!!! Forget about me, focus on his vandalism! TotalMacho 20:33, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- I'll get to it after I finish poking holes in your story. 1) Why would a group leader ask a complete newbie to check on the group's wiki page? 2) Why would a complete newbie know about the whole Imperium Must Die drama? -- Cheese 20:42, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- I told you, I'm saying what my leader asked me to!! He im'ed me and told me what to say on MSN, so I posted it here as a favor to him. Deal with zephyr instead of picking on ion; zephyr's the real vandal! TotalMacho 21:16, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- You seem to be using a very loose definition of Vandal. What we have here is a simple misinformed error that we see now and then when someone doesn't know about the sacredness of group pages. Ion on the other hand has wiped pages, trolled and broken a ton of rules in the process. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt on this occasion, but I have my eye on you. -- Cheese 21:19, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- I told you, I'm saying what my leader asked me to!! He im'ed me and told me what to say on MSN, so I posted it here as a favor to him. Deal with zephyr instead of picking on ion; zephyr's the real vandal! TotalMacho 21:16, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- I'll get to it after I finish poking holes in your story. 1) Why would a group leader ask a complete newbie to check on the group's wiki page? 2) Why would a complete newbie know about the whole Imperium Must Die drama? -- Cheese 20:42, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- I just started this game and my leader told me to help him out by checking on the group wiki. Please tell zephyr HE HAS NO RIGHT TO EDIT IT!!!! Forget about me, focus on his vandalism! TotalMacho 20:33, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- Considering you've been here for a day, it looks increasingly likely that you are an Ioncannon alt. -- Cheese 19:36, 11 August 2008 (BST)
- We're making fun of them on purpose. He's doing it again!!! THIS IS NOT HIS GROUP PAGE AND HE CAN NOT EDIT IT! You set precedent with sonny's imperium must die page!!! It is okay if he didn't know at first, BUT NOW IT IS VANDALISM!!! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TotalMacho (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.
- Thank you. TotalMacho 21:16, 11 August 2008 (BST)
User:Fucgrim
Fucgrim (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Looks like Ioncannon11 has gone down the Izumi route...--Sir Bob Fortune RR 21:36, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Lol. I think you're getting yourself in worse there Ioncannon. Perma for this alt. -- Cheese 21:45, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Should Ioncannon get a further ban for sockpuppet ban evasion? --Sir Bob Fortune RR 23:00, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Replied to on the discussion page. --Funt Solo QT
23:59, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Given evidence provided on talk, i move to upgrade Ioncannon11's escalation a single notch. This means we have the permabanvote thing. I am in favour. He is a simple troll and we would be well rid of him. --The Grimch U! E! 19:51, 9 August 2008 (BST)
I have to concur with Grim. Ioncannon just doesn't seem to have any regard for the rules and despite continually being brought here, still hasn't taken the time to learn them. He's been around long enough to know by now. Yes to perma. -- Cheese 20:31, 9 August 2008 (BST)- In light of the possibility of these Ion vandals being a completely different person out to stir up shit, I'm going to tentatively vote No. He can have that final chance. -- Cheese 22:47, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Fucgrim and his latestban evasion, asdfghjkl are ion, the rest are impersonators.just because some of the others are obvious frames doest mean he hasnt earned a perma anyway due to the real ones. --The Grimch U! E! 04:47, 13 August 2008 (BST)
- In light of the possibility of these Ion vandals being a completely different person out to stir up shit, I'm going to tentatively vote No. He can have that final chance. -- Cheese 22:47, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Fuck you Grim, I wouldnt have to make socks at all if I wasn't constantly having to defend myself against people trying to frame me, and not to mention against sysops who have stood against me from day one because of a few mistakes I made when I was new. Just fuck off and give me a chance to reform. Lkjhgfdsa 12:23, 14 August 2008 (BST)
- I know Ion and they are not real. If you are so sure they are, then do explain your concrete evidence instead of just saying bullshit, which is predominantly what I have seen from you. TotalMacho 06:10, 13 August 2008 (BST)
- Nay, for the moment. Let the month finish. The picture isn't all that great of evidence either. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 05:20, 10 August 2008 (BST)
- No - he gets one for free -- boxy talk • i 06:16 10 August 2008 (BST)
- Yes He has 7 VB cases this year alone and one confirmed sock puppet banned. Even if you factor in the struck warning you have to add in the sock and that still brings him up to the required 7. I also want to point this out:
- I'm going straight now, I'd like to give a big thanks to everyone who voted against the perma ban request. Ioncannon11 03:12, 21 May 2008 (BST)
- I think he might have lied to us. --– Nubis NWO 13:30, 10 August 2008 (BST)
- Yes - His trolling won't be missed and he's had enough chances to reform.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 19:17, 10 August 2008 (BST)
- No - The more information comes to light the more this looks like a shady escalation of harassment of an unliked player. If he deserves it he'll get it on his own, however I, at this point, can not accept that these alts are, without a doubt, him. I also insist you keep in mind what his escalation was for, a humorous suggestion. That's hardly hard core vandalism or the type of thing that a user should be permabanned for. He's not exactly going around maliciously blanking pages.--Karekmaps?! 02:08, 12 August 2008 (BST)
- Oh, he made this one, there is no doubt there, it was too quick, too relevant, and it is writtenlike every contact we have had from him. The rest are almost certainly impersonation alts, and once we can tie them to someone i wholeheartedly support insta permaing them. A perma comes based on their entire history, not based on what the most recent occurance of vandalism was. If a person has shown that they cannot stick within the rules of the wiki consistently and instead consistently troll, as Ioncannon has, then they really have no place here. --The Grimch U! E! 03:13, 13 August 2008 (BST)
- My comment probably wasn't clear, but my vote is because of his entire history - not just this.
- If a person has shown that they cannot stick within the rules of the wiki consistently and instead consistently troll ...(snip)... then they really have no place here. I firmly believe this.
- He has been on the wiki since January and has had an A/VB case against him almost every month. He if he truly wanted to be a contributing member he would have straightened up. Just scrolling through the vandal data shows most users straighten up after a ban. This clearly isn't the case. While I see your point about how unfortunate it is that the latest escalation is because of a humorous suggestion that doesn't change the fact that he is a persistent vandal.--– Nubis NWO 03:37, 13 August 2008 (BST)
- Looking through I'd say that there are only two escalations that aren't in a similar vein to the last one. If this weren't his first 1 month ban maybe I'd agree with you but I don't think this is at the point where a permaban is needed yet.--Karekmaps?! 05:52, 13 August 2008 (BST)
- Fair enough. Tell you what. Let's make a bet. If he doesn't get this permaban and has a legit A/VB case against him before January 09 you have to change your user page to say in huge glittery letters: NUBIS WAS RIGHT. And if he comes back after a month off and keeps his nose clean I will change my page to say whatever you want. I'm serious here. You in? --– Nubis NWO 14:57, 13 August 2008 (BST)
- Looking through I'd say that there are only two escalations that aren't in a similar vein to the last one. If this weren't his first 1 month ban maybe I'd agree with you but I don't think this is at the point where a permaban is needed yet.--Karekmaps?! 05:52, 13 August 2008 (BST)
- Replied to on the discussion page. --Funt Solo QT
- Should Ioncannon get a further ban for sockpuppet ban evasion? --Sir Bob Fortune RR 23:00, 7 August 2008 (BST)
User:Ioncannon11
Ioncannon11 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Creation of a homourous suggestion breaking rule 10 of the suggestions page and therefore Vandalism. Anyone disagree? -- Cheese 21:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Vandalism - Banned for a month. --The Grimch U! E! 21:22, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- I didn't know wow. I thought they all go in the same place.Ioncannon11 21:23, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Ignorance of the rules is not an excuse, especially when you have been around as long as you have. They are clearly posted, and this one is rather mercilessly enforced. See you in a month. --The Grimch U! E! 21:26, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- I didn't know wow. I thought they all go in the same place.Ioncannon11 21:23, 7 August 2008 (BST)
User:The Truth Case number 1
The Truth (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Thinks certain people are zerging. Apparently. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:29, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- [[3]] Probably want the link don't you? His only contribution. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:39, 7 August 2008 (BST)
Warned -- boxy talk • i 03:31 8 August 2008 (BST)
User:Ioncannon11 Case number 7452.281
Ioncannon11 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
It seems that he's actively wanting to be a moron now. He's spamming up suggestion voting with lovely big yellow boxes around his text. Example 1, example 2 and example 3 to name a few. -- Cheese 20:23, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- I'm not spamming! I just like the way it looks. Is there a rule against this? Ioncannon11 21:07, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Maybe, maybe not. But there definitely is against this. -- Cheese 21:16, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- There are rules on sig size and the large yellow boxes clearly violate that.
- Signatures which generally break the wiki in some way either through formatting or other means. --– Nubis NWO 01:16, 8 August 2008 (BST)
- And what is that rule? Hmmm? Trolling and humorous suggestions are allowed. This falls into the latter. I took great care not to offend any races. Ioncannon11 21:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Ohhh, sorry, I didn't know they go separately. Thanks for moving it. Ioncannon11 21:22, 7 August 2008 (BST)
So, are we just rolling this all into the month ban, or what? -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:28, 8 August 2008 (BST)
User:Zapp
Zapp (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Impersonation. Yes, it's most likely a newbie-mistake, but I have a vague memory of even newbies getting warned for impersonation. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 10:12, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Where is your post on his talk page asking him about this post? Isn't it obvious that he copied the vote above his to get the formatting and didn't realize that he copied the sig, too? Is what you did the proper way to strike an unsigned or improper vote? --– Nubis NWO 13:06, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Yes, it's obvious he copied the above vote, but like I said, I have a vague memory of even newbies getting warned (as in official warning) for impersonation, which would make me posting on his talkpage pretty much pointless because a sysop would do it anyway. And what do you mean with "Is what you did the proper way to strike an unsigned or improper vote?" It wasn't unsigned and it wasn't an improper vote. It was impersonation. Removing it completely is certainly better than leaving it there. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 14:38, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- If you think that an edit like this is an honest mistake, it's much better to discuss it with the person first, on their talk page. There is no requirement for you to report it here... even if it's some form of marginal vandalism, sometimes a quite word works better, and a report can always be made later if the poster doesn't change their ways. Anyway, it seems that Zapp has got the message, so not vandalism -- boxy talk • i 15:06 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Yes, it's obvious he copied the above vote, but like I said, I have a vague memory of even newbies getting warned (as in official warning) for impersonation, which would make me posting on his talkpage pretty much pointless because a sysop would do it anyway. And what do you mean with "Is what you did the proper way to strike an unsigned or improper vote?" It wasn't unsigned and it wasn't an improper vote. It was impersonation. Removing it completely is certainly better than leaving it there. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 14:38, 7 August 2008 (BST)
User:Airheadoh
Airheadoh (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Despite his comments, he has no right to edit the group's page: here Ioncannon11 09:10, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Where is the post on his talk page asking him about this edit? --– Nubis NWO 13:08, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Also, Detective Ice seems to be his other account. He can certainly edit his own comments. You didn't remove the Det. Ice comment. So either he has permission to edit the page as Detective Ice (and therefore edit those comments as Airhead if he isn't smart enough to realize he is logged into the wrong account) or he doesn't have permission to edit it at all. Which is it? --– Nubis NWO 13:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- I'm guessing that ioncannon doesn't want to remove anyone's comments from anywhere, given that he's the subject of a "witch hunt" at the moment, and doesn't want to risk getting a warning/ban himself. It's reasonable to make otherwise uninvolved parties contact others before reporting them for minor vandalism, but not really the best idea when the parties are obviously already involved in a conflict. I'd classify this as vandalism, editing another (enemy) groups page instead of using the talk page to contact them (and not a newbie mistake given the long history of contributions) -- boxy talk • i 15:17 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Exactly, boxy, thank you. Nubis, he is not supposed ot do this. And I did remove it. Is it back? I'll fix that. He has no permission to edit it as he is not even a member of my group. Ioncannon11 15:50, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Also, Detective Ice seems to be his other account. He can certainly edit his own comments. You didn't remove the Det. Ice comment. So either he has permission to edit the page as Detective Ice (and therefore edit those comments as Airhead if he isn't smart enough to realize he is logged into the wrong account) or he doesn't have permission to edit it at all. Which is it? --– Nubis NWO 13:18, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- i don't know why somebody deleted my debating this but i'm am reposting it:
- as you can clearly see, my comments were not vandalism. he is trying to insult the name and people of the Cult, when he knows we clearly won is proposed "war." he's just mad he lost. and my group has reported to me that he is being a flamebait, and changing things on his pages that clrealy insult us.Detective Ice 13:46, 7 August 2008 (BST)...i'm sorry i didn't use the talk page. i just wanted to be sure it was seen and exactly what i was talking about. And i know i am posting under my Airhead account. Detective Ice was banned because you aren't allowed to have multiple accounts, however i was told you can change your sig to match for whichever character you are posting as. I don't think this is vandalism. I did not edit the page to harm it. I was merely telling him that his history is wrong. If I wanted to try and vandelise his page I would actually change things he wrote in there. which i didn't.~Detective Ice 19:46, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Someone rolled back your edit to this page because you wiped out a heap of text from the top of the page when you tried to post here. Learn to edit properly. As to your most recent edit to ion's page, well that just makes it as plain as day that you are a vandal. Here's the rule, follow it ==> Do not edit other people's group pages, use the talk page instead! -- boxy talk • i 03:25 8 August 2008 (BST)
- as you can clearly see, my comments were not vandalism. he is trying to insult the name and people of the Cult, when he knows we clearly won is proposed "war." he's just mad he lost. and my group has reported to me that he is being a flamebait, and changing things on his pages that clrealy insult us.Detective Ice 13:46, 7 August 2008 (BST)...i'm sorry i didn't use the talk page. i just wanted to be sure it was seen and exactly what i was talking about. And i know i am posting under my Airhead account. Detective Ice was banned because you aren't allowed to have multiple accounts, however i was told you can change your sig to match for whichever character you are posting as. I don't think this is vandalism. I did not edit the page to harm it. I was merely telling him that his history is wrong. If I wanted to try and vandelise his page I would actually change things he wrote in there. which i didn't.~Detective Ice 19:46, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- i don't know why somebody deleted my debating this but i'm am reposting it:
Warned -- boxy talk • i 03:25 8 August 2008 (BST)
- oh gee, thanks for warning me. i'll try not to correct true history again when someone makes up their own.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Airheadoh (talk • contribs) 04:25, August 8, 2008.
- Groups have greater ownership rights to their own pages, and are given quite a bit of latitude in the "truth" that they may portray there. It would be anarchy if we allowed enemies to have free reign to edit rival group pages because they disagreed with the truth of claims made there. If you want to have something changed on someone else's group page, discuss it with them on the talk page first. If they don't agree to change it, just ignoring it is probably the best option. If you are still intent on having something changed because of inaccuracy, then arbitration is the best place to do it (bring evidence please). Editing the main page, or sub page, of a another group is not allowed unless you are helping to make it the way that they want it, and changing someone's signed comments is vandalism almost anywhere -- boxy talk • i 06:05 9 August 2008 (BST)
User:Ioncannon11
Ioncannon11 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
This, I'm pretty sure it was ruled that changing headers is vandalism/impersonation, and this is clearly not in good faith. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 18:51, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- Burn the witch!!! --WanYao 19:41, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- I would count this as a bad faith edit, I'm pretty sure changing the header was previously ruled as vandalism.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 19:55, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- Well, he didn't edit it himself and I don't see what the big deal is; it's not vandalism. It's nothing serious, in any case, and I was just having a little fun. Is that so bad? I didn't impersonate anyone, blank anything, etc, etc, it was just a little laugh I suppose. Slap on the cuffs and take me away. :( Ioncannon11 21:38, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- From the Policy: Vandalism page:
- Well, he didn't edit it himself and I don't see what the big deal is; it's not vandalism. It's nothing serious, in any case, and I was just having a little fun. Is that so bad? I didn't impersonate anyone, blank anything, etc, etc, it was just a little laugh I suppose. Slap on the cuffs and take me away. :( Ioncannon11 21:38, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- On this wiki, we define Vandalism as "an edit not made in a good-faith attempt to improve this wiki".
- Impersonating another user. It is possible to make a comment on the wiki that does not look like it is from yourself, but instead is from another user. Of course, the fact that you edited the page will always exist, so such acts rarely go unnoticed. We expect that, if you're commenting, you're commenting as yourself.
in any case, and I was just having a little fun. Is that so bad? I didn't impersonate anyone
- You did impersonate someone; me, and if you find vandalism funny that's really not my issue, nor should it be. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 22:21, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- I didn't impersonate you noob. You refused to change the header yourself, and seeing as how that makes you a noob in my eyes, I made a slight, but true, joke and showed you that the header needed to be changed. Ioncannon11 03:07, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- You did impersonate someone; me, and if you find vandalism funny that's really not my issue, nor should it be. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 22:21, 6 August 2008 (BST)
The other "Discussion" moved to talk page. --– Nubis NWO 03:29, 7 August 2008 (BST)
Vandalism - Someone else created the suggestion there, someone else created the headers. The headers are very strongly implied to be the work of the author of the suggestion. Leaving them in the generic default doesnt give other people the right to change them to insult the poster of the suggestion, correcting them to match the suggestion is fine when left in th default (Much the same as a typo correction), but that did not happen here. Feel free to be insulting in your own posts, but do not resort to impersonation to do so. Also, the edit was entirely made in bad faith, and asking only really applies when there is some doubt over the intent of teh edit. No matter how hard i try i cannnot see how this was made in any small part in good faith. --The Grimch U! E! 04:08, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- FYI: Im holding off on processing this due to Nubis's stance here. --The Grimch U! E! 04:10, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- If this is vandalism then your creating an insulting headline for J3D is also since the end result is good or bad faith. If this is vandalism then your creating an insulting headline for J3D is actually more vandalism since you posted it over his comments. Are you sure you still want to consider this vandalism? Either Ioncannon can make a funny insulting headline over his post in an area that other people will post under (like you did) or he can't. But we are not going to say that a sysop can but a user can't.--– Nubis NWO 13:31, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- The parallels between this case and what Grim did is astounding. While Ion replaced an existing heading, it is a default heading and by the nature of the new heading it was apparent that Tech hadn't written it. Also at least the first comment under the new heading was Ion's unlike Grim's which until the explanation text was placed appeared as if i had written it. It seems to me the real difference here is that one was created by the 2nd most powerful and one of the most respected users on the wiki and the other was created by a largely disliked vandal prone user. Double standard anyone? And yes Grim, i am directly involved considering there is very recent precedent about this and my name was brought up in both cases, the first case in fact centred around a post i made and where it was located.--xoxo 14:00, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- If this is vandalism then your creating an insulting headline for J3D is also since the end result is good or bad faith. If this is vandalism then your creating an insulting headline for J3D is actually more vandalism since you posted it over his comments. Are you sure you still want to consider this vandalism? Either Ioncannon can make a funny insulting headline over his post in an area that other people will post under (like you did) or he can't. But we are not going to say that a sysop can but a user can't.--– Nubis NWO 13:31, 7 August 2008 (BST)
Vandalism - There's a difference between being uncivil and what was done here. Editing headers to be insults, on community pages, is most certainly not a civility issue.--Karekmaps?! 05:27, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- So why didn't you vote vandalism on the case against Grim for editing a headline? I can see why it isn't Misconduct, but why the hell didn't you say it was vandalism?--– Nubis NWO 13:31, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- I prefer to stay away from A/VB when possible, something about an agreement I made with the community when I was up for promotion. I don't know specifically which case you are talking about off hand unless it is the one that led to the misconduct case. If that is the case, the biggest difference is that there was already an existing header and header naming convention that is obvious on the page. To me it's not about impersonation, it's about him defacing Talk:Suggestions in an attempt to attack another user. --Karekmaps?! 13:46, 7 August 2008 (BST)
Sure it is! He didn't edit and I felt I could use that header separately for my comment. Is that not allowed? I can't have a separate header for my comment? Everyone can have their own sub comment. I was just trying to draw attention to the fact that he is a noob. The rest of the post was 100% in good faith; I was contributing my 2 cents. Impersonating is changing people's posts. He left that part of the template blank, so I used it for my own comment! Not impersonation!!!! Or, at least, definitely not worth a week's ban... Ioncannon11 06:05, 7 August 2008 (BST)
Vandalism - Changing someone else's header is a nono. You know that. -- Cheese 15:23, 7 August 2008 (BST)
FOR THE LAST FUCKING TIME, IT WAS NOT HIS HEADER!!! HE MADE A CONSCIOUS DECISION NOT TO EDIT IT AND NOT MAKE IT INTO ANYTHING EXCEPT PART OF THE TEMPLATE!!! I TOOK THE HEADER, MADE IT MY OWN AS A SUBSECTION OF THE DISCUSSION. Oops, capslock :D. Is this really worth a month ban? Hell, look at all the contribs I have from my last ban! I think everyone knows my megalomania has subsided, and if blanking 1000 pages gave me a week ban, adopting a header should not give me a month...As J3D was quick to point out, Grim did something very similar and nothing happened to him. I will pull up that precedent and show it. Then if I was to be banned it would be complete and utter disrespect to the wiki's rules, not because you banned me, but because you banned someone for doing something exactly like, hell much better (I had a normal comment goin on) than what a sysop did, the latter being let off on all allegations. Ioncannon11 15:49, 7 August 2008 (BST)
You have just had a warning struck, so you arn't getting banned for this. It will be another warning. This is a simple case, Ion, you changed a template heading to be insulting to the author of the suggestion. You can edit that header to be descriptive (if the author forgets), but it has to be in clear good faith. It obviously should be in the form of "Discussion (suggestion name)". So, warned -- boxy talk • i 16:09 7 August 2008 (BST)
User:JaredV
JaredV (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Blanked out a section of my Talk page here. --WanYao 15:51, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- Ok, I thought I could do that as I was one of the main parties in the discussion. I'll take the vandalism, and I guess I'll know not to do that in future. Sorry Wan. --JaredTalk Aces C-Kids 16:10, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- ok... I'll drop this... DROPPED.... But, no, you can not delete posts from any page except your own Talk page and that of groups you're a member of. Even then, it often considered bad form, allowed, but bad form. --WanYao 16:37, 6 August 2008 (BST)
Wow. An A/VB case that could have been solved by leaving a note on the offenders talk page. Color me surprised. Thanks for following the guidelines on the page, Wan Yao. Soft Warning - Don't file petty complaints.--– Nubis NWO 02:52, 7 August 2008 (BST)
User:Skouth
Skouth (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Warned for vandalism. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:10, 6 August 2008 (BST)
User:Zombie_Lord
Zombie_Lord (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
After this edit of mine was (rightly) striken, I reposted the content as a re: to my own vote, here. Subsequently, Zombie Lord deleted my second, valid, re: Axe Hack agreed that one is permitted to re: one's own vote, and undid that removal. Then, Zombie Lord unjustifiably moved my author re: to the Talk page (both edits show in the link provived).
Also, a perusal of the user's recent history in the Suggestions area will show that one of his overarching ambitions seems to be trolling... In this context, I say that the last edit was in bad faith and clearly another attempt to troll. This is in addition to the simple fact that his edit was completely unjustified, as I am perfectly within my rights to re: my own vote, and he has no right to remove that re:. --WanYao 20:00, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- And... before someone throws the "there's no civility policy on this wiki" argument at me. EXACTLY! Thus, ZL's trolling is permissible. And also my re: to my own vote is permissible, and it's removal is an act of vandalism. --WanYao 20:03, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- I don't know about REing your own vote, but Zombie Lord had no right to replace it with his own comment.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 20:12, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- If not, delete the word RE. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:13, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- It's very common practice for people to respond to others' votes by creating a "re:" underneath their original vote. This has always been permitted in the past... I've done it, I've seen others do it, it's never seemed to be an issue. --WanYao 20:16, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- Which is why I'm saying I'm not sure about it rather than forbidding it. What I am saying is that Zombie Lord should not have removed it.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 20:24, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- Even the authors do it too if they realized they missed something. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:19, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- It's very common practice for people to respond to others' votes by creating a "re:" underneath their original vote. This has always been permitted in the past... I've done it, I've seen others do it, it's never seemed to be an issue. --WanYao 20:16, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- If not, delete the word RE. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:13, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- I don't know about REing your own vote, but Zombie Lord had no right to replace it with his own comment.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 20:12, 5 August 2008 (BST)
He removed part of WanYao's post. Probably because Axe Hack didn't strike the RE properly and that part of it was visible. Gah. Anyway, the deleted part of the comment is now restored and struck properly. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 21:13, 5 August 2008 (BST)
Not Vandalism - He seems more confused than wanting to do anything malicious. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:14, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- You're joking right??? Well... whatever... meh... --WanYao 04:55, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- Not sure what he's smoking. Anyway, just move your RE back to the main page and report Zombie Lord if he deletes it again.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 08:44, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- What am I supposed to warn him for? Please do not move things to the talk page. Right. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:11, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- Altering another user's posts in clear violation of all policies and conventions/practices, Gnome. Isn't that vandalism? Certain people are twisting the letter of the rules, just barely falling outside the letter of the policies, in order to get off the hook for serial trolling. And it's effectively being condoned. Now, if you look at the sysop guidelines, it pretty clesrly states that a sysop can (and is sort of expected to) follow the spirit of policies even if this violates the "letter" of said policies. It's time to start following the spirit of the policies and making appropriate decisions in regards to what are clearly bad faith edits... see also ioncannon above for another very relevant example. --WanYao 01:24, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- Furthermore, let's look at my re: in the context of it being a lame, long-winded, trollish rant itself. Ok... I can accept that... I kind of feel that way, now, myself. However, there's a bigger contect -- what the fuck??? in regards to Zombie Lord being able to troll me in a blatantly inflammatory manner in his vote... but I have to go through shit in order to defend myself against his trolling? Whether I myself acted with the greatest level of dignity or appropriateness -- or not -- is kind of moot in the context of the fact that people are permitted to twist the rules and get away with trolling. Why is this permitted? As I've said, the spirit of the definition of bad faith can -- and should -- include blatant serial trolling. I think it's time you's started looking at it in this light, and acting accordingly. --WanYao 01:33, 7 August 2008 (BST)
- What am I supposed to warn him for? Please do not move things to the talk page. Right. -- AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:11, 6 August 2008 (BST)
- Not sure what he's smoking. Anyway, just move your RE back to the main page and report Zombie Lord if he deletes it again.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 08:44, 6 August 2008 (BST)
User:Ioncannon11
Ioncannon11 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Continued editing of the Invasion of Gibsonton page, despite being barred from editing it, as per the arby's case.
"Since Ioncannon11 had no interest in participating in this arbitration, then he will be barred from editing that page, with any edits (aside from grammatical or spelling fixes) to be considered vandalism."
Thanks for your time. --Ocular Druuuuu 05:46, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- Vandalism. Violation of arbitration ruling=ban. Anyone disagree?--The General T Sys U! P! F! 10:35, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- Not Vandalism, for numerous reasons, chief among them that he was baited into editing, that there is no bad faith, that arbitrators do not have the power to put a limitless and absolute ban on user contributions to a page, and that violation of an arbitration ruling is not vandalism, nor is it the arbitrator's place to decide which violations, much less all, are vandalism. Akule ruled out of his ability and unless you can show intent to vandalize you can't call this vandalism, especially when the edits are targeted to illicit a response knowing the "limits" the ruling place on Ioncannon.--Karekmaps?! 11:30, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- A minor correction: Violation of arbitration rulings results in a ban. So, yes, such edits are, in practice, vandalism.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 12:04, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- No, violation of an arbitration ruling when it violates the rulings purpose is vandalism. Arbitrators rulings are limited to the reason the case was brought up, they are not encompassing of everyone or page involved in the case only the edit/s being disputed. All ruling violations are not vandalism, part of our job is to limit the arbitrator's power by determining which ones are, even if it's been neglected in the past.--Karekmaps?! 12:42, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- Short Version; The case didn't address that groups presence, nor was it asked to. If the case isn't relevant to the edit it holds no bearing here, we shouldn't re-enforce abuse.--Karekmaps?! 11:33, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- A minor correction: Violation of arbitration rulings results in a ban. So, yes, such edits are, in practice, vandalism.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 12:04, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- Not Vandalism, for numerous reasons, chief among them that he was baited into editing, that there is no bad faith, that arbitrators do not have the power to put a limitless and absolute ban on user contributions to a page, and that violation of an arbitration ruling is not vandalism, nor is it the arbitrator's place to decide which violations, much less all, are vandalism. Akule ruled out of his ability and unless you can show intent to vandalize you can't call this vandalism, especially when the edits are targeted to illicit a response knowing the "limits" the ruling place on Ioncannon.--Karekmaps?! 11:30, 5 August 2008 (BST)
Oh, please, this is not vandalism. My group was there; I respected the decision regarding the outcome of the whole thing, but they vandalized it and took out my group's name from the participant label. How much more vandalism can you get? Thank you, karek. Ioncannon11 11:33, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- No matter how much of an asshat ioncannon is ... Yeah ... He was legitimately "defending" himself. Now, whoever tried to take his group off? Why haven't THEY been brought here, or at least been given a little note on their talk page? Eh??? --WanYao 12:18, 5 August 2008 (BST)
- Well, yao, maybe I like you a little more now :). It was The Surgeon General; I didn't do anything because I wanted to edit it myself at first, but I suppose they deserve to be here. Ioncannon11 12:43, 5 August 2008 (BST)
User:Swizzler
Swizzler (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Impersonation and breaking the rules of voting, all in one edit. He impersonated Cheese and used that impersonation to vote twice. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 22:47, 4 August 2008 (BST)
- Not Vandalism - He seems to have copy-pasted from my sample suggestion that I made a while back. -- Cheese 23:04, 4 August 2008 (BST)
- There was a sample suggestion? Huh. Didn't notice that. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 23:06, 4 August 2008 (BST)
User:Jackson
Jackson (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Don't we have rules against making pages like this? -- Cheese 14:30, 4 August 2008 (BST)
- I'm not sure, you could count it as bad faith and I believe there may be a precedent regarding it. I can't be certain, though.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 14:43, 4 August 2008 (BST)
User:Chincocracker
Chincocracker (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Made this edit. I asked him to justify his actions on his talk page, but he has not responded. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 06:30, 4 August 2008 (BST)
User:GmanG
GmanG (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
Need I say more? Brought us pages such as "Creampie", "Bukkake" and "Thirteen Inches Dick". Anyone else get the feeling that this is a sexually frustrated 15 year old? Perma. -- Cheese 14:45, 2 August 2008 (BST)
- This is the 3rd Gman Sockpuppet who's shown up and started vandalizing the wiki, perhaps a IP ban is in order if this trend continues? Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 18:09, 2 August 2008 (BST)
- A quick check of GmanG showed no matching ips or I would do an ip ban.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 19:27, 2 August 2008 (BST)
- He must have an unstable IP address or be using proxies, there's no way this is a coincidence. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 19:31, 2 August 2008 (BST)
- A quick check of GmanG showed no matching ips or I would do an ip ban.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 19:27, 2 August 2008 (BST)
User:Lolwarrior
Lolwarrior (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss) Sockpuppet of G-man. IP Ban? --Sir Bob Fortune RR 01:08, 2 August 2008 (BST)
User:G-man-returns
G-man-returns (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
All his edits. IP ban? --Sir Bob Fortune RR 00:42, 2 August 2008 (BST)
User:Shooty08
Shooty08 (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk:Suggestions&curid=1414&diff=1235171&oldid=1235170, Impersonation. This is his third A/VB today. I'll let the author of said comment say anything else that needs be said. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 00:01, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- I was just about to report this. It's not technically impersonation, I'd push for a warning (based on precedent below) for striking another user's comments without good reason on a community page. I'd suggest premeditation as his edit before this was the one that broke my post into two sections. --
.
. <== DDR Approved Editor 00:04, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- New development:http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Talk%3ASuggestions&diff=1235177&oldid=1235175 , He's gone large scale. depending on whether this counts as a new A/VB, this could be his fourth today, If that's not unprecedented, it at least deserves some sort of firm response. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 00:08, 1 August 2008 (BST)
Persistent vandalism of the suggestions discussion page, request block under active vandal criteria. -- .
. <== DDR Approved Editor 00:08, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- I agree, 4 A/VB cases in one day about the same section Definitely suggests something amiss. In my opinion, serious action should be taken to show him that this is not a joke. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 00:33, 1 August 2008 (BST)
Have you tried talking to him? I personally think it's more the fact that he's a complete and utter noob and doesn't get the wiki. In the first one, he's striking an unsigned comment, which is allowed. And the other two are him attempting to remove the suggestions from discussion, I think. :/ In any case, it doesn't look as though there is any malicious intent. Just being one of those annoying noobs who seem to have a completely epic first day which sees them in VB more times than most users in their entire wiki career. I will have a word with him, however, and let him know that he is bordering on getting the book thrown at him. -- Cheese 00:42, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- Cmon' cheese, 4 A/VB cases? really? This guy is actively laughing at his own vandalism as he posts it, and showing it online with little "XD" faces every time he breaks the rules by wiping suggestions or removing others' content. He's like a little kid running around kicking everyone in the building; someone needs to tell him he can't do this kind of crap and get away with it before it goes farther into his head. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 01:02, 1 August 2008 (BST)
The first one wasn't an unsigned comment, it was a response of mine that was properly paragraphed. It became orphaned from my signature when Shooty08 broke up my comment by posting within it, his next edit was to strike it. You'll notice I mention this premeditation above. You ask for the evidence, I bring it, and still nothing. Ignorance does not change the fact he breached established vandalism precedent. There's a reason the first offence doesn't carry a perma.... -- .
. <== DDR Approved Editor 00:58, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- You'll also notice that because he moved his strikeouts around, my comment now appears to have been signed by him. This is now a case of impersonation that I'd like ruling on. --
.
. <== DDR Approved Editor 01:03, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- Ok. Give me an exact diff link showing that and I will rule on it. -- Cheese 01:05, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- No exact link as it was the result of conflicting edits, however here is where he strike my comment, having previous posted inside it, and here is where he removes those strikeouts (so that his vandalism to the entire suggestion will work), but he leaves his signature. While I can remove the strikeouts and move his comments as it's vandalism to a community page and a comment in an incorrect place according to the page guidelines, I am unable to move that comment or delete the signature now acting as the impersonation due to previous precedent. --
.
. <== DDR Approved Editor 01:11, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- Ok. Number two is the one I'm after. It may not be intentional, but it is impersonation. Therefore, vandalism. You can quite happily delete the signature by the way. You aren't handless. It's your comment anyway. -- Cheese 01:16, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- ohohoho, don't tell me that permanent impersonation counts as a seperate VB, cuz if this guy is subject to 5 A/VB cases in two and a half hours I will freaking wet myself from laughter. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 01:17, 1 August 2008 (BST) (DAMN EDIT CONFLICTS MONKEY!!!!!! =P jkng)
- And if the "noob errors" continue... will you slap a ban? That's the question... --WanYao 11:49, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- ohohoho, don't tell me that permanent impersonation counts as a seperate VB, cuz if this guy is subject to 5 A/VB cases in two and a half hours I will freaking wet myself from laughter. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 01:17, 1 August 2008 (BST) (DAMN EDIT CONFLICTS MONKEY!!!!!! =P jkng)
- Ok. Number two is the one I'm after. It may not be intentional, but it is impersonation. Therefore, vandalism. You can quite happily delete the signature by the way. You aren't handless. It's your comment anyway. -- Cheese 01:16, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- No exact link as it was the result of conflicting edits, however here is where he strike my comment, having previous posted inside it, and here is where he removes those strikeouts (so that his vandalism to the entire suggestion will work), but he leaves his signature. While I can remove the strikeouts and move his comments as it's vandalism to a community page and a comment in an incorrect place according to the page guidelines, I am unable to move that comment or delete the signature now acting as the impersonation due to previous precedent. --
- Ok. Give me an exact diff link showing that and I will rule on it. -- Cheese 01:05, 1 August 2008 (BST)
In the future please include all relevant diffs, in this case this one was missing. That being said, I am going to step in and say it's Not Vandalism and you're all reading way too much into what is easier explained as uninformed mistakes, for one(again highly relevant, again not included), he is allowed to remove his own suggestions whenever he feels like it. Frankly, I'm dumbfounded that Cheeseman missed this.--Karekmaps?! 02:12, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- I'm pretty sure that while he can remove his own suggestions, he can't remove other users comments, which he did. Techercizer (Food) (TSoE) 02:21, 1 August 2008 (BST)
- There was an obvious gap between the two, better people have been tricked by less, the same thing even, we've never ruled it vandalism and attempting to remove unsigned comments is hardly such without bad faith, it's something that is done in most voting sections of the wiki, Suggestions included, that he didn't know it's not done on Talk:Suggestions is the reasonable conclusion.--Karekmaps?! 02:41, 1 August 2008 (BST)
Im inclined to agree with karek here. Nothing here appears malicious. Just a series of errors that could have easily stopped if you had tried to explain to him how to use the tags and the rules of the page. I see nothing that indicates you have even attempted to do so. No. Id actually contend that you made this case in bad faith to persecute a person you consider an idiot without trying to help him out first. Not Vandalism, just a newbie mistake. Warning is hereby overruled (2-1) and purged from his record. --The Grimch U! E! 04:01, 1 August 2008 (BST)