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December 2010

Izumi of Lockettside

Really? It's been 3 years, leave me alone. I've been here the whole time under different names, and caused you no ill. Using an alias is confusing to new members who rely on my group's page for information and questions. Digging up and continuing to beat this long-dead horse will do you no good, but that said it won't do me any either. Just buzz off and leave me to my business. I won't bother you anyway. Izumi of Lockettside 06:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

If you wanted to use the wiki in 2011, you shouldn't have repeatedly vandalized it in 2007 until the administration had to permanently ban you to stop the spread of vandalism, in accordance with agreed-upon policy, just like would have been done to any other user. Actions have consequences. Consequences which you were well aware would be permanent do not expire in a few years. This is textbook ban-avoidance and there's no way this IP isn't going to be banned like all the others. If you want to communicate with your groupies, use a forum. Not a wiki which you've been permanently banned from. --VVV ^RPMBG 07:28, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. Plus, it hasn't been three years since the last incident. —Aichon— 07:41, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Too bad. I'm going to utilize and modify this wiki to my heart's content whether you like it or not, as I have been doing off and on since 2007. Don't like it? I suggest you blow up my computer. Otherwise, have fun witch hunting like idiots. I've checked the vandal data page, a good number of so-called "sock-puppet" accounts which had been linked to me and subsequently banned weren't even mine. I bet unwarranted bans leave a most wonderful impression on the community you claim to be protecting. I will wrap this up now before I start rambling. Imma do what I want. Feel entitled to do the same. Ciao. Izumi of Lockettside 09:39, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

This attitide of "I do what I want anyway lalalala" is exactly why you're staying banned. Ciao. --Thadeous Oakley Talk 10:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

This is my favourite part of every time Izumi comes back: the bit where she admits that she is completely removed from the concept of compromise. -- LEMON #1 11:25, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

--> Watchlist: Lockettside Valkyries.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 12:49, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Is it a symptom that I've been using Facebook too much that I think I should "like" this comment? Linkthewindow  Talk  13:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

To A/PT! -- LEMON #1 15:03, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Survivor 2.0 and User:Zombieman_11

The two cases are not similar in the least, Yonn. You were misconducted not for investigating Lois (which was perfectly fine to do), but for posting the results, despite the fact that Lois had done nothing wrong. In contrast, Ross not only did not investigate the user, but he did not post the results. In addition, he had a valid reason for requesting an inquiry into the matter since Zombieman 11 is an active vandal and he's creating alts for seemingly bad faith purposes (as evidenced by the false sense of consensus he was building with his Nexus alt and an attempt to avoid accountability as he did when he used the Survivor 2.0 account to disagree with his Zombieman 11 account). It's not unusual or unexpected that the sysops would take note of alts of active vandals and catalogue them in an appropriate manner so that later cases dealing with them are simpler to handle, which is why Mis' confirmation of the shared IP is also acceptable. This stands in sharp contrast to publicizing the alt of an innocent person who has not engaged in vandalism or bad faith edits. —Aichon— 21:57, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

First off, Checkuser logs show Ross did know they were the same before he posted, but you wouldn't know that, as you don't have access to them. He also wasn't an active vandal, because all the cases against him were closed at the time. Considering false consensus was what happened in my case and that wasn't allowed then, that's a ridiculously bullshitish thing to say. I disagree completely with everythign you've all said. You're all hypocrits and can go to hell. In other news, merry christmas. :) --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 17:20, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

boxy told that he has used checkuser, so it didn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out that that is what has happened. As for A/M, this time it was reasonable use of op permissions, as Zombieman was a serial vandal with a history of sockpuppet offenses. Lois on the other hand was completely innocent and hasn't done anything VB-worthy with either account of her at the time the connection was publicly revealed on A/VB. -- Spiderzed▋ 17:49, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Except his vandalism was dealt with. Are you saying it would be reasonable to check Iscariot's IP and reveal any alts he has at the moment?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 19:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

If you have a reasonable impression that someone is going to use a sockpuppet in order to vandalise the wiki (this includes using two or more puppets in a vote or even a discussion in some cases), or to avoid A/VD escalations or bans affecting them, then it is fine to checkuser them, and draw the attention of sysops to it. Ross had every reason to believe Zombieman was going to do this, but you had no reason to believe Lois was misusing alt wiki accounts -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 23:04 25 December 2010 (BST)

Egg-fucking-sactly! And if that's the case (which it is now), the community are going to HAVE to find out sooner or later cause his A/VD will need to be amended to include the new account. -- LEMON #1 00:41, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think Ross should be misconducted. I just think if the sysop team are going to decide something is misconduct, they should stick to it next time. I absolutely had reasonable suspicion to suspect a discussion was being manufactured in that incidence, and I fail to see any difference. The two cases should have been treated in exactly the same way, but evidently, none of you are willing to do that.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 01:14, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

What are you talking about? The two accounts in your case were never used in concert, you had no cause whatsoever to suspect arse all. 02:27, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Because Meatpuppetry was obviously in play, so it was reasonable to see if sockpuppetry was too.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 12:01, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

This is a blatant lie and you know it. The two accounts in your case were never used in concert, so there was no reason to post it - no socking, no meatpuppeting, just pure spite on your behalf, and that's why it went to A/M. 15:26, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

You'd know better on the checkuser stuff, so I won't argue it. As Mis, however, I really have no idea what you're talking about, since none of what you're saying now even remotely matches what you said back then (seriously, go back and re-read what you actually told us in Lois' A/VB case you made). You never alleged wrongdoing on the part of Lois in the A/VB case (even going so far as to say that it wasn't "strictly a vandalism case") and told us that only one of the accounts was used in the A/BP election at that time, which rules out false consensus (or any other alt abuses, for that matter) being an issue. Despite that, you posted that the accounts were sharing an IP address so that we would have a note of it in case the other one was used. Sysops shouldn't post checkuser data for hypothetical vandalism, which is what you essentially did. Posting it in response to actual vandalism, however, is appropriate in some situations. I'm hoping that reminding you of the things you said then will clear up the "hypocrite" claims, since I don't see how this line of reasoning is hypocritical in the least.

As for being "active", Zombieman 11 had received a warning and a ban (on his alt) earlier that day. I shouldn't need to tell you that 13 hours is close enough to be considered "active", while many months or years is not. This is common sense and I'm sure you can recognize the difference. And, as boxy pointed out, there were valid reasons to suspect that he was going to be using his alts specifically for acts of bad faith, given that he had just had an alt banned for that exact reason and had already created a new one that was following in the banned one's footsteps, whereas I know of no such reason to suspect Iscariot or any other past vandal of doing so at the moment. —Aichon— 05:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Forgive me if I seem like an inexperienced user butting in, but may I just call attention to this? It appears that Zombieman is attempting to unsuccessfully throw you guys off (and I'm pretty sure that a user page shouldn't be in the mainspace). Also, this. Vapor's words caught my attention... I guess some of you would agree with him. (nvm, noticed that it's an old edit...) -- †  talk ? f.u. 14:35, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

I've posted up a request to have the page moved, since you're completely correct about it being in the mainspace. And yep. gotta love the kid since he does try. Never mind the fact that a roommate would, ya know, simply talk to the other guy, rather than posting to a wiki. Or that I'm guessing they still have a shared IP address during Christmas break, which might have otherwise explained why they couldn't talk to easily. —Aichon— 19:50, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi. Everyone. I'll explain my thought processes behind this, and If Yon or anyone thinks I've misused my powers, feel free to misconduct me.

Initially zombiemans question on User talk:Boxy got me interested in the case. As you can see from discussion there I pointed out the obvious grammatical similarities, editing times, and pages edited of the two accounts. When survivor 2.0 was editing in a similar style, and based on the previous nexus editing I used checkuser, and showing share IP activity, asked for a confirmation from another sysop. As noted on my own talk page User talk:Rosslessness several parts of these "roomates" story fail to add up. If as zombieman suggests survivor is an alt of NEXUS, it should probably be removed, as a banning workaround. But anyway. Unlike Lois, who has no history of vandalism, there was a clear and recent use of vandalism from the IP. Apart from the occasional PM with User:Karek I do all my wiki based discussion on the wiki. If someone can suggest a better way of flagging up potential vandals, be my guest. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:32, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Zombie Man 11(2)

Think it goes without saying but definitely Vandalism. I haven't seen a freak out like this on UDWiki before so whatever punishment sysops decide to dole out is fine with me. The longer the better in my opinion. ~ 03:18, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Now why'd you have to go and do that, Vapor, right after I said I'd vote for you in a heartbeat? You can't rule on cases. Only sysops can. It'll definitely be a longer heartbeat now. —Aichon— 06:57, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah I thought it was more of a voting thing. Still green to wiki policy. Oh well. Can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. Won't take me long to stop being such a policy greenhorn. ~ 01:12, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

I say just slap down a perma. We've cut this guy enough slack and he just went on a wild blanking rampage. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 05:28, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I'd say three-edit rule his ass. Has a single one of his "contributions" been left unreverted? I think we've had to revert every single one that wasn't in his userspace, and now he's gone on a vandalism spree. —Aichon— 06:57, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you don't 3ER him, I'd definitely go with Mis' thinking on the matter, and handle each page separately. —Aichon— 06:58, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I say ban for a week, to get his attention and show that we mean business, as well as escalate him to the point that we can have a permaban-vote him next time. He's made a good amount of textbook vandalism; BUT he has made a handful of helpful edits, and if we beat him hard enough, he just might become a regular contributor. That's not to say we should trust him enough to not permaban him the moment he refuses to embrace a last chance, just that we shouldn't toss our hopes after a handful of vandalism. In fact, excluding the recent page blanking, most of his edit were just incompetant, not malicious. --VVV ^RPMBG 07:03, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Without escalating him 5 times in a row, they can't just ban him for a week, since the administrative guidelines explicitly prohibit jumping ahead like that ("A user must be warned at least twice...before a system operator may administer the first ban"). And to escalate him again, it sounds like you're suggesting they apply an additional one-month ban on him as well, but then not enforce it. You just can't do that. There's procedure to follow. Also, he hasn't made a single helpful edit. Every single edit was reverted, except for those to his own talk page. They may not have been malicious, but none were helpful. —Aichon— 07:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

He tried to update a danger report, and voted four times on humourous suggestions. But you make a good point on the whole procedure front, and I'd prefer to just ignore those and permaban him now, rather than wait for seven more acts of vandalism. --VVV ^RPMBG 07:31, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

At first I thought this guy was just new to the wiki and honestly didn't know where to post suggestions. The fact that he repeatedly ignored direction was annoying but didn't really think he should be banned. After I witnessed his bout of vandalism today though, I actually think it was a regular wiki user. Specifically because someone that clueless would likely not have been bale to find their own vandal case. This is pretty telling as well. What kind of newbie knows to edit inclusion pages when vandal fucking the wiki? It seemed deliberate and premeditated. I'd take a good look at the IP data and mete out punishment accordingly. ~ 07:06, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I linked him to the vandal case on his talk page yesterday. And he just clicked the edit link for that section. Since the section is an inclusion, it took him to the included page. He seems to have done that with most of his edits, in fact, since it looks like he didn't discover the edit link at the top until a little bit into his vandalism spree. —Aichon— 07:17, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

I think that ZM11 is an irredeemable douche and serial vandal who should better go now than later. That being said, 3ER doesn't apply, as there were a few constructive edits among his contributions (see Trip's pointers). Probably wouldn't take someone to A/M if they invoke the rule looking at the concrete case, but it still isn't something that should be done. Personally, I'd go with Mis' initial proposal and throw multiple VB cases on him to escalate him multiple times in one straight flush (potentially up to 2nd month ban and thus perma vote). -- Spiderzed▋ 11:40, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

You guys turned him into a vandal by failing to clearly communicate with the dude. I've read the comments on his talk page, and while some of you were at least being polite, no one was really being all that helpful. With new users you really have to spell things out in black and white. Assume they know nothing about the wiki and clearly explain how to make the correct edit in a certain situation. No one did that. Mostly it was a lot of "your edit was wrong, stop it", or "here's a link to a bunch of stuff you won't read". Then you drop a vandalism case on him and he freaks out and goes on a vandal spree. Not justifiable on his part, but certainly understandable. Newbs need to actually be welcomed to the wiki and shown the ropes. Dropping a WN template on their page and doing fuck all to show them around ensures that they will continue to mess up and that will create more work for everyone down the road. If you're going to welcome people to this wiki take the time to do it right or gtfo of their talk pages. My opinion anyway.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 01:57, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Yep. Clearly multiple points in the same (right) direction are what cause people to go on racist page-wiping sprees. You can't just judge new members by a different set of rules to established members - if they do something that's clearly wrong, that's that, there's no point in pandering to them. And if they can post useless bollocks multiple times then they clearly have enough of a grasp on the language to read a page of repeated aid. 02:02, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Fuckin' A. I can't believe Giles was capable of speaking so authoritatively over something he was so wrong about. -- LEMON #1 07:26, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I was speaking authoritatively about how I felt this user was welcomed to the community and I haven't changed my opinion on the matter. That's not wrong, it's just coming from a different perspective than yours.

I felt then and I still do that people did a crap job of showing zombieman how to properly edit the wiki, and then after the 1st vandalism case was brought against him he flipped out and went on a spree. No, it isn't justifiable, and I don't put up with racism and you won't see me defending his actions.

But I know when I started editing this wiki at times people went out of their way to try to piss me off/unwelcome me and I've seen it happen to plenty of other users as well. Some people take their licks and move on. But if someone is immature, it might not take much to put them over the edge and turn them from newbs into dedicated vandals who think they're raging against the machine. Which is exactly what I think happened here.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 09:15, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Back flipping on your initial summary isn't a good way to prove your point. I am against the fact you say he was turned into a vandal. You replied by implying that he was a 'close to the edge' vandal waiting to happen, via personality traits such as immaturity. Those two descriptions of him aren't exactly the same, are they? You use yourself as an example of someone who suffered the same treatment and didn't end up trying to fuck up the wiki. I mean, what the fuck would you have done to welcome him exactly? Do you even understand what happened here? Are you saying that you empathise with him feeling isolated by the community? If so, why didn't you try and vandalise a hundred pages with the word "nigger"?

It's simple. He made an edit in the suggestions system fucking things up in a typical "super fail noob" way. We explained that it was wrong and pointed him in the right direction. He completely ignored it and did it repeatedly, the exact same thing, twice a day, daily. Fuck it, the only thing I regret about the way people treated him was the fact people were nice enough to tell him we were gonna paste a vandalism tag on his account, his subsequent response of which only proved he was capable of reading what we said on his talk page the whole time. we AREN'T robots, we AREN'T idiots and we DO communicate with users in vandalism circumstances and we'd shown that by giving him so many fucking hints on his talk page that it was obvious we were a communicative bunch about the wellbeing of the wiki. Going on a MASSIVE racist vandalism spree is not and was never going to solve ANYTHING, and if you think he was somehow hard done by and 'turned into a vandal' even though you admit it had to do with his ignorant and immature personality, then I don't think you have a proper idea of what's going on. -- LEMON #1 03:15, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Mmmkay. I didn't do any back flipping. I'll let you off the hook for calling me a 'tard but I'm not going to argue with you anymore because I feel like you're just going to ignore whatever I say and keep going off on random rants like you always do. Let's just say you win this one and move on. =P --_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 02:04, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Im saying vandalism its almost like he or she is trying to break wiki i just started and saw some extremely racist comments on the Suburb map--Nexus 02:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

It's amazing you managed to see it in the less than one minute that it was like that. It's also amazing that you're going to the exact same pages that he does and editing in the exact same way that he does. But surely that's a coincidence? —Aichon— 08:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Isn't he banned yet?--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 02:57, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Why are you banning / bringup up AVBs on alts as vandal alts when they (the alt account) haven't actually committed vandalism nor ban evasion (as the main has only been warned twice)? Am I missing something? -MHSstaff 23:09, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

u peaple are funny--Zombieman 11 23:16, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

Zombieman 11

Vandalism - since he just vandalized this page by deleting the vandal case against him. ~ 02:23, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism he deleted a suberb map and other inportant data a removal of hisaccount would justify it--Nexus 01:47, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

User:Poodle of doom

I agree more with Mis on this one, but Yonn says a lot of stuff that's correct too. Whether or not Poodle committed vandalism is absolutely something that is to be determined on A/VB, not A/A. That said, A/VB is limited to escalating him, and cannot prevent him from posting on Kevan's talk in the future. Clearly Mis does not think that Poodle's spammish actions constitute vandalism, but the case still falls into A/VB territory if it's approached this way, since it's dealing with his past (mis)deeds.

That said, it also falls into A/A territory, since if someone (e.g. Ross) is seeking to block future edits, that's something that A/A is used for, not A/VB, since sysops are not granted that authority on A/VB. Basically, depending on how the case is pursued, it could go to either page. If you want to try and punish Poodle for what he's already done, use A/VB. If you want to prevent him from doing more, use A/A. Whether or not either one will be effective towards those ends is an entirely different matter, and I wouldn't hazard a guess there. There's also the question of which is more appropriate, but I think that that's a matter of opinion. If you think he committed vandalism, clearly you'd think A/VB is more appropriate. If you think he didn't, you'd say A/A is better. Simple as that, and both stances are valid, I think.

Personally, I agree with Mis in thinking that this isn't vandalism, since I recall no precedent regarding people being escalated for commenting on a user's talk page when that user hasn't specifically asked the commenter to stop. For those of you that think otherwise, how do you reconcile it with the malicious posting that quite a few people (including current sysops) have aimed at the talk pages of various trolls in the past? They repeatedly posted on those talk pages, sometimes even despite the requests of the user to stop. That seems far more egregious to me than this case, yet is considered permissible.

Others are welcome to disagree with my assessment of whether or not what he did should be escalated or which page is more appropriate for hearing out the case, but most of the A/VB vs. A/A stuff seems pretty straightforward to me, since it's just a matter of what the pages are meant to be used for. —Aichon— 22:19, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Forgot the most important part: y'all are idiots. —Aichon— 22:21, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Just to chirp in with a non-sysop/non-former sysop opinion here. I happen to agree that this kind of spamming of Kevan's talk page should be discouraged by vandal escalations or warnings if necessary, simply because it's the only public avenue of communicating with the game's creator. It's a blurry area because we shouldn't discourage commentary on his page, and we also don't know the wishes of the user in question (Kevan). But senseless spamming of this nature could certainly be considered in bad faith.

From this perspective poodle should have known better and he probably deserves at least a warning. However, I wanted to make an important distinction in that I disagree with the line of reasoning that poodle should have stopped and should be escalated because he was TOLD to stop. A sysop is a janitor, not an admin, and has no "badge of authority" to tell other users what to do. Failure to comply with what a sysop wants should never be used as an argument for vandal escalating any user. Ever. Two cents.--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 13:16, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Good points. Personally, I don't like to think of it as a matter of "I warned him unnoficially in my capacity as a sysop so therefore it's insta vandalism", I just like to think of it as a hint to him that he was going too far and if he continues it would by my personal definition, fit into the realms of vandalism (whether I were a sysop or not). You're right though, the idea that my warning to him has been treated as evidence of some sort of official soft warning isn't an act we should encourage. -- LEMON #1 23:51, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

For the record, am I allowed to say anthing in these things? -Estacado^Talk 23:22, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah totally. Main page though, not talk, because you're involved.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:23, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Nah, he's allowed to talk here. There's nothing restricting him from saying anything on the talk page to a non-involved party. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 23:28, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but I presume he wants to defend his case, in which case it should be on the main where the sysops are more likely to see it. :P --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 23:31, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Just in case it comes up. I find it better if Aichon talks anyway. -Estacado^Talk 03:40, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

In that case, I think I'm done saying anything else. As a user, I think you should be punished for what you did, since the other's have an INCREDIBLY valid point. Cluttering up the game developer's talk page like you did was a douche move, massively immature, and really just stupid. Kevan is essentially a precious resource to the community, and you were squandering it. If you do get escalated, you had it coming. —Aichon— 13:56, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Doodles has been annoying the heck out of me with his spam, and I think he's a massive twat. That being said, without arbies there are no teeth to this case. See the precedence of when Bungholio tried to get Imthatguy, The Colonel and me escalated for spamming his talk page. (Look especially at Aichon's arguments in the Colonel case.) Granted, Kevan's talk page might be widely watch-listed - but so has been Bungholio's talk at the heyday of the NSU drama (at least among the active users who are likely to use admin pages). And the spam on Bungholes page has probably been even worse as far as quantity goes. -- Spiderzed▋ 23:50, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

^^^This. I was actually going to cite those cases as well, but decided not to since my comment was already too long. —Aichon— 23:57, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

There is a HUUUUUUUUUGE difference between Kevan and Cornholioo, as many people have already said (giles did it well). Besides, the reason people, say, I, didn't get considered for escalation was because when it got into the exessive spamming (and note, it was for swearing not spamming that he got cut at most. me anyway) I only came and confronted him with actual messages of importance regarding the wiki or his group or something. Poodle, did not.

Oh, and Corn brought people after breaching his "asking them not to" after they did one edit. Poodle did three, one of them being a 3 paragraph monologue of complete shit. There is no way you can reliably compare these cases... -- LEMON #1 00:07, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

For all three of the linked cases, they posted quite a few times (mostly before being told to stop) before being brought to A/VB, just as Poodle posted quite a few times before being brought to A/VB. Since both Corn's warning and yours carried no official authority, they had and have no bearing on the cases. Essentially, the cases just boil down into a situation where people posted trash repeatedly to someone else's talk page and were brought to A/VB later. Since, as you said, none of us have the authority to officially warn someone to stay off someone else's talk page, the only official way we have to handle this is if Kevan himself makes an A/A case against Poodle, wins a restraining order, and Poodle later breaks it.

That said, this is Kevan we're talking about, as you said. Basically, were this anyone but Kevan, I'd see no issue at all. Open and shut in Poodle's favor. No doubt in my mind at all. But because it is Kevan, I can definitely see some room for wiggling with the rules a bit. Kevan does have some special rules applied to him already. That said, this is not one of them, so, at least for now, I'd still go with NV, but would likely try to get some more policies in place to protect Kevan officially. —Aichon— 00:34, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

No one was warning him to stay off Kevan's talk page. It's a warning to not spam and unnecessarily take up the time and effort of the developer of the game, and therefore risk jeopardising his willingness to communicate with us as a community in the future. That's what I was always concerned about and was working towards protecting. -- LEMON #1 04:42, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

The Cornholioo cases were quite clearly about harassment, where users were personally attacking another. It was most definitely a personal grievance. But, in this case, there is no such personal grievance. I'd wager Kevan doesn't even know who Poodle is. It's far more suited to spamming, which is what should be dealt with here. And while we're at the point of 'Kevan should defend himself as a regular user', he shouldn't, as you pointed out, because he's never here. He should have somebody who he can rely on to deal with page spammers as they arise. Kevan's talk page has gone beyond being just a talk page, and it's more of an Official Requests and Questions page. Now, imagine if there were two pages in the UDWiki namespace: UDWiki:Official Requests and UDWiki:Official Questions. The purpose would be that people would post and Kevan would check the posts for meaningful comments and queries. If Poodle had gone to one of these pages and performed the exact same conduct, he would be without-a-doubt guilty of vandalism. Quite possibly as soon as he had posted the long paragraph comment, but more likely by the time he had posted the third snow comment. That's how we should look at it, because Kevan's talk page isn't just a talk page, it's the only way to get official requests and questions to the game designer.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 07:50, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

While I agree with you that that's how it should be done, we have no rules in place right now to enforce it as such. You're essentially suggesting ad hoc rules for policing his page since we didn't have any already. I'd suggest that we get something similar to what you just wrote up put into policy. As for Cornholioo's cases, while the overriding idea may have been harassment, had they been cases of spamming, they clearly would have been escalated as such. Since I see no significant differences between the quantity or nature of posts that were made back then and the ones made now (and ignoring the Kevan factor in all of this), the only logical conclusions are that we either entirely forgot about escalating for spam back then (we didn't), or that they simply weren't spam cases (they weren't), and thus the current case isn't either. If you want to legislate from the bench to make new precedents that dictate how people can behave on Kevan's page, that's one thing, but I see no way that this would otherwise be considered spamming by any definition of the word that we've ever used up to now or according to any precedents that have ever been set. —Aichon— 13:48, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

^This. I agree that special rules should apply to Kevan's page. Sadly, there aren't yet any policies covering that. While I can understand on some level how and why ops come up with ad-hoc rulings to treat Kevan's page differently (see especially DDR's excellent reasoning), it makes me feel a bit queasy, as that could widely open the doors for rulings that aren't grounded in policy. -- Spiderzed▋ 16:00, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

All of these potential cases under this precedent would all be ruled on by sysops anyway, so like all precedents it's hard to think the sysop team will manage to come up with an unfair ruling. Seriously, this case is probably going to be not vandalism, how hard would it be for the precedent to be used unfairly in the future? At the moment it seems someone would have to do a pretty shocking job on Kevan's talk page to get any sort of warning at all. -- LEMON #1 00:16, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

I understand that, and I apologize since I did misstate that a bit. What you just said is what I agree with and understood to be the case here. Nevertheless, it doesn't change the fact that what said to him, as far as anything official goes, was a non-factor. Had you said it or not, it would have made no material impact on the case. That's all I was getting at. —Aichon— 13:48, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Bots Discussion

Return of old, already banned, bots

Over the past couple of days, bots who were previous banned have been spamming again. Has the recent update of the wiki somehow unbanned them? -- boxy 10:35, 27 December 2014 (BST)

Hmm

It's been a few years, but we're getting a wave of bots again. Thoughts? Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 01:57, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully it's just a random burst, not a consistent thing? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:26, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

More spammers stuck inside? I gather fraud attempts are way up at the moment. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 08:01, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Has it been going on for a while? Like beyond this week? DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 10:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

No, not yet. I just realized I've gotten complacent because we've had so few. If it continues for more than a week or so we can ponder other options. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 17:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Hopefully it's just a flareup for now... DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 23:31, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, like acne. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:36, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Yeah.... acne.... DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION 00:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Anyone want to review this? They're still here, and popping them isn't helping. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:33, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you think the captcha needs to be updated? If so I can try to get in touch with Kev. Bob Moncrief ^EBD•W! 14:36, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Considering we all have better things to do than continuously ban spambots, probably worth asking! stelar ^{Talk|MCM|EBD|Scourge} 20:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

I guess whoever has his ear, go for it. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:47, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

General Discussion

This page a redirect, or not ?

I was just working on this talk page, and noticed it was a redirect to this current month archive. If i were to go ahead and change the current redirect to the feb archive, all undergoing discussions in the january archive would be forgotten and hidden from the general public view. Thus i changed this page redirect to a page with a templated header and calling the two talk pages (the current one and jan one) into it. After some thought, i realized that by doing so i would lost my ever so precious and new found ability to create new headers with the + button. So, what are my options:

• leave this page as a redirect to the current talk page
• lose the + button functionality, leaving this general discussion section at the bottom (so that people using the + button will know they are creating a new general discussion sub-header)

opinions ? --—The preceding signed comment was added by Hagnat (talk • contribs) at 19:11, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I think it's better this way. It functions now the same way as the main page (A/VB). --Midianian^|T|DS|C:RCS| 19:27, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

As midinian. It's just fine to keep it the same as VB. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 12:46, 8 April 2009 (BST)

This page is fucked

It's not showing the main a/vb stuffs, just the bot section.--xoxo 01:16, 27 July 2009 (BST)

New form of Vandalism?

Just click on the link in my siggy :).--Thadeous Oakley A Challenge you ought to try 21:12, 13 August 2009 (BST)

I would definitely consider that a significant form of vandalism. But it also begs the question of why such code even exists (at least for the wiki). Is there any way to disable the Random code so that is has no effect? --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 20:31, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, check the talk page. Though the random page seems to have been deleted...--Thadeous Oakley 20:54, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Fabulous. Wasn't sure if it had been dealt with since this header was still here with no comment. Glad to see it was resolved quickly. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 21:20, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

user page creation for vandals

can we please stop this behavior ? its kind of silly (not to mention stupid) to create a page (sometimes two) for a vandal user just to slap a template or two in them. Can we please stop this ? Im not sure if nonexistant pages can be protected, but even if its not possible, what possible gain does this wiki have by creating and protecting such pages ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 21:44, 9 September 2009 (BST)

I dunno. I never really got the protections thing anyway. I mean, what are they going to do. Create a new account and spam their old page? And even if protecting them is important, there's no need to create a page just for it. I agree with hagnat.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:46, 9 September 2009 (BST)

That has been done (vandal coming back and vandalising old user pages) many times before in the past. It also stops others commenting on the talk pages of vandals. Again, that used to happen quite a lot. -- Cheese 21:57, 9 September 2009 (BST)

DISK SPACE = CHEEP Cyberbob  Talk  00:13, 10 September 2009 (BST)

Basically, no. At worst it's harmless and the BannedUser template is a good one. Cyberbob  Talk  00:21, 10 September 2009 (BST)

It's pointless and I agree with hagnat... I don't think we should be making a page for them. Still use the BannUser template on permabanned vandals with a page, but there is no reason why we should be going out of our way to spam the wiki with pages that aren't needed. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:39, 10 September 2009 (BST)

Vandal Data

My vandal data is not accurate and is missing at least one report. Do your job sysops, and fix it. --Thadeous Oakley 15:19, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

What's the magic word? Cyberbob  Talk  15:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Fuck?

...Remember Bob, sysops are tools of the community, not the other way around. Sysops have their chores, and this isn't something I should ask for in the first place D: --Thadeous Oakley 16:23, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

(Actually yes it is something you have to ask for - VD is too big for us to be monitoring all entries all the time) Cyberbob  Talk  00:43, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Plus with an entitled and unhelpful attitude like that this might take a while. VB cases have to be sorted through and matched to the current entries under your name, strike dates have to be checked... how's January suit you? Cyberbob  Talk  00:46, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

ReSpeCt Ma AuThority! pretty pleaz --Thadeous Oakley 10:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Goddamn it. Why did I think it was this? The worst bit is I swear when I was striking you a week ago I was wondering about this but never followed it up. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 10:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I've double-checked everything and added the 24hour ban, along with the timestamp of the ban from the logs, plus an explanation. Thanks for being an honest boy with us, Thadmeister. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 10:30, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Precisely. Stop being a moron and tell us where and when we should be looking for this missing report. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 04:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

CB's being a bit of a jerk by stringing MG along, but MG was also presumptive, rude, and didn't give a lot of information. Why don't you guys just cut each other some slack? Of course, you could also just ignore me if you so choose, but you know that it would be easier if you guys were more civil to one another... Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 04:27, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

We've just had the exact same issue with another more formidable annoyance in Iscariot when it comes to A/VD (and not specifying where or what the issue is)- and our subsequent 'fix' led to even more turmoil and unrest than it would have been to leave it. We are past the "My A/VD isn't right- fix it NOW" attitude and if Thad wants anything done he can come and talk to us in a co-operative matter or we won't think dick of his request. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 04:35, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

It'd be better if MG would just ask you guys to do something and it happened without a big fuss; must we always have wiki drama? Asking someone for something has nothing to do with being subservient, it's common courtesy. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 05:05, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but you wouldn't call up a tech support help line and tell them, "my computer is broken; do your job and make it work" without offering any additional details about the problem. That’s just not how things work. Providing details about the problem is the courtesy that needs to be offered here if a productive result is to be expected. Until that happens, the rest is just chatter. —Aichon— 06:09, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

At the moment you've created more drama than Bob and Thad ever did. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:21, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Meh, drama is as llama does, and I consider myself more of an aardvark, really. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 16:22, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Wow sysops failing with A/VD again - i'm putting in an unprotection request, if you guys can't handle it and readily admit it maybe its time to hand control over to the hoards.xoxo 16:07, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Works for me!-- SA 16:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Do it faggot- and here Iscariot thinks I don't go through with things I promise to do. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 23:14, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Sup kids

Alright, long story short, a recently-ish perma'd vandal came to me via MSN and asked for another chance. I talked with box about it through email, he told me that he doesn't see much of a problem with giving out another chance, but to bring it here for more POVs. Here is the relevant bits of info on this:

HiteiKan (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	Vandal
Action taken	Permaban

• lolb&. 3 edit rule.-- SA 01:23, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

The edits in question:

• 1st
• Second
• 3rd

And the reason why they want back:

• S/he said that they'd like to start a user page, and overall just contribute to the wiki. I forgot to ask why she vandalized in the first place, but my guess is that it was just another user messing around with the wiki and "having fun" without knowing our rules.

I really have no problem with it, Hitei was very nice and polite in asking me, wasn't demanding, just wanted to know the procedures of coming back. And s/he hasn't tried to send dirty pictures of themselves upon initiation of the conversation (god damn porn spammers. If I wanted porn, I'd find my own. I HAVE PREFERENCES YOU KNOW!). So what say you fellow 'ops and regular wiki users?-- SA 00:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Prepare the flood gates. --Haliman - Talk 00:19, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I trust you and box's decision after making such an opinion after conversing with the user about it. Just make sure we keep an eye out for them. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:22, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

No flood gates will be opened. No other banned user has come to me and asked me politely about why they were banned, and what they could do to rectify it. And if any other banned user comes I'll judge the case on it's merits and talk it over with the rest of the team, just like now.-- SA 00:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I trust you. Prepare for the wrath of Izzy. --Haliman - Talk 00:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Fuck Iscariot. His only weapon is his ability to write a shitload of words; he can be ignored as readily as any other user. Cyberbob  Talk  00:33, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I believe the technical term is "bitching"; see synonyms at "whining". Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I'd be comfortable with it if she came back with an escalation or two to keep her on her toes. Cyberbob  Talk  00:33, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking of starting her off with 2 warnings. Letting him work them off from there. Sound good?-- SA 00:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I think she should have to work off his warnings just like any other user. He shouldn't get a pass just because her apology was polite. --Haliman - Talk 00:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The talk page edit could be seen easily as not vandalism, I just used it as ban material. Thats where I get the two warnings instead of starting at the 24h ban mark.-- SA 00:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Exactly. I wouldn't even count the second as vandalism, I would have just reverted the edit and told off the user. But 2 is good imo. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:03, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Not that anyone gives a crap, but I support the return+two warnings. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:09, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

No, see, I care. This isn't something that happens very often, and I wanted to hear what anyone who cared enough to respond had to say. Thank you for coming and saying something.-- SA 01:12, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I think the first person who should be given a 2nd/15th chance is izumi, i admit to not knowing a lot about it but when s/he came here asking for another chance it was shot down. Why such a different attitude to this user? xoxo 09:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Izumi had a long history of vandalism before any ban, and just got worse and worse and the first reaction wasn't to apologise, but to threaten further vandalism unless she was let back in on her terms. This one did a few silly things, once -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:25 16 November 2009 (BST)

But if doing a few silly things once is a reason to allow someone back in, why not get rid of the 3 edits rule? It seems to be anyone permaed under that rule has only ever done "a few silly things, once" - i say make it policy that people who do a few silly things once get maybe a month ban rather than perma and give it a grandfather clause or something. This style of letting people back in randomly doesn't rest well with me... xoxo 09:31, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Go write policy then -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:32 16 November 2009 (BST)

Coz i don't think people who were perma-ed should be let back in. However if they are, i certainly don't think a haphazard request for random opinions on a barely used talk page is the way to go about getting it done. xoxo 09:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

People with A/VB watchlisted will see this... hardly a "barely used talk page", as evidenced by the quick responses here already. It was one of the first pages you found, eh -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 09:48 16 November 2009 (BST)

Why not just get rid of you? I think that would solve far more problems than the 3 edit rule. Cyberbob  Talk  09:34, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I can just imagine you patting yourself on the back for coming up with that one, good work! I wish you weren't quite so predictable though, seeing you in my watchlist is just 0 fun anymore... xoxo 09:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

everym ove i make... knownin advance...??????// Cyberbob  Talk  09:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, shock of shocks, as predicted I'm against this. Yet no-one seems to have worked out why yet. For starters I like my language, it's a beautiful thing. Perma is a shortening of permanent, which means that the ban is not subject to change. Perma certainly does not mean permanent until someone is nice over MSN. Then there's the point that perma bans came in through policy, approved by this community, going blatantly against the will of the community is wrong. Finally, have you worked out what this is? It's favouritism. That's right this is only here because this person was nice to SA, if they'd gone on MSN and said "Oi, fucko, go get my perma undone you prick!" we wouldn't be seeing this before us, this user is only here because SA favours them due to their conduct. Perma bands should not become avoidable just because sysops like you.

There are only two acceptable ways forward from here, uphold the perma or seek the approval of the community through a new policy. There are several options in how to structure a new policy, I will assist if you require the help. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:35, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Iscariot? You know how you make fun of me for my lack of signature, shitty grammar, and all around being a dumb colonial? Well guess what? YOU SPELLED BANS WRONG LOLOLOLOL

But seriously, it wasn't about them being nice to me, it was their conduct while we talked about the ban. If I was playing favorites, I'd go and try to unban zoomi instead of someone who was at first just a one-off vandal to me.-- SA 16:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Are you telling me you would have let the conversation continue if their first words had been "Oi fucko"? It's a chance being given to one user that other users might not get. The ban system doesn't serve to punish, it serves to protect this wiki and the community, it's proven that this user vandalised, now you want me to take the word of this vandal that they won't do it again? "Ah, ok Dr, Lecter, if you say you won't kill and eat anyone else we'll let you go....". If we are going to be overturning permas we need a way that all banned users can do so fairly and without bias, Izumi is the obvious example here. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 16:59, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

• It's not to punish, it's not to protect. It's to reform people who have committed acts of vandalism. The power to ban is for protection. The ban system is to reform those who have fucked up.
• Hannibal Lecter is a different story, and fictional at that. We do not have someone killing anyone here, your comparison has no power.
• Izumi had her chance. I called for a vote on it, this being her last chance to get in. It failed. She had her permaban reversal chance. I wish it had gone through, but it didn't. The community at the time didn't really care to let her come back either.
• I would have let the conversation go on if they started off with "Oi fucko!" because some people start their conversations like that, whether they're assholes or not. I myself start off with an "Oi prick!" frequently.
• We already have a way for perma's to be undone. If enough of the community show's that they would like the ban over turned, it will be done. The problem is getting the community to actually chime in on these things.
• If it comes down to it, Hitei can be re-banned if we find that she lied in less than two seconds.

In short, you have no real reason to go against this other than not trusting the user. It doesn't have to do with policy, that's covered. It doesn't have to do with bias, that's also covered. There is no favoritism, that's covered. And finally, if the community decides they will let her back, it's not going against the community. So that's covered.-- SA 17:30, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no need for new policies

Also, it is expected that a system operator be prepared to reverse a warning/ban should the community desire it. —UDWiki:Administration/Guidelines

SA is asking for community input. I, as part of the community, am OK with removing the perma as long as all warnings the user received be kept (with the perma being listed as a 24h ban). Its a lot better to have this user editing the wiki with his former account than having him create another. And if he had plans to continue vandalizing the wiki, he could have just created another account. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:29, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

not if I blocked account creation and ip blocked :trollface: -- SA 16:37, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

like IP ban ever prevented users from switching IP and creating new accounts --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I know. :c -- SA 16:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The vandal banning system is not supposed to be a means of punishment, rather it is meant to be a means of guidance and instruction on what the community find acceptable. The over-all aim (I always thought) was to reform folk before they get to a Permaban.... in this case SA even admits (sorta) that he was heavy handed on the third edit as vandalism thing to stop what seemed like the start of a career vandal. If this user is genuine in their desire to come back and be productive then I would think its reasonable to allow them too. As Hagnat has already said, they could always have started a new account anyway and probably not have been caught! I would say start them off with 3 warnings to work off though as just 2 is a bit easy for anyone who is actually active. --Honestmistake 16:44, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I like two because if they mess something up again while learning or something and another 'op decides to be heavy handed again, then bam 48 hour ban. I don't like the thought of that.-- SA 16:52, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Precedent. Unban him. If he messes about we can easily sort it out and reinstate the ban. Our dear friend Karek put it best during the failed misconduct case that this idiot brought because he got his nose out of joint:

Karek said:

I don't know why more would need to be said but, this could easily be classed as overruling another sysop and misconduct would only come in with the lack of showing their decision on A/VB. The point remains though, the wiki doesn't exist to ban users and nothing is gained from losing members of the community because they weren't given the benefit of the doubt. No harm, no foul, drop it.

I miss Karek. =( He was always good with those wordy thingys. -- Cheese 22:11, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Alright then, on that note case closed.-- SA 22:40, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Unban HiteiKan vote

There is little more to be discussed here. If the user were to vandalize the wiki he could have done so with another account. The guidelines already allow a ban to be reverted should the community desire it, so i am starting a simple vote here. Lets not drag this unnecessarily, so a simple 3 days vote, with a minimum of 10 votes, more than half of them in favor unbans the account. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

lulz, who put you in charge >.> --Thadeous Oakley 17:04, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

since when is someone in charge here ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 17:07, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I am going to take this in the spirit I think Haggie meant it... ie a call for a simple show of community opinion. Sure it has no weight and can be ignored by the sysops if they so wish but if you don't voice an opinion you have no right to take issue with it being ignored. --Honestmistake 00:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

1. unban - with 2 warnings being listed in his a/vd entry --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 16:55, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
2. Unban - with 3 warnings to reflect the seriousness of the previous "offence" Basically i say treat it like there was at least 1 constructive edit in the chain! --Honestmistake 00:20, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the unban/warning has already happened Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:36, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

There is no vote to be had here. Normal users get precisely zero fucking votes regarding bans, and like promotions this isn't a vote Hagnat, or no goon would ever get an escalation no matter what they did. This is Hagnat again trying to exercise authority where he has none, much like when he tried to 'warn' me against reverting his vandalism. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:06, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

This vote is invalid hag's. Sowwy. If you want to make a neat and organized section for community input that lasts more than 3 days, be my guest.-- SA 17:36, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

User:Rosslessness

Rosslessness (talk | contribs | logs | block | IP Check | vndl data | discuss)

Verdict	vandalism
Action taken	lulz

For this edit here; the last person to actually abstain on one of Winman's god-awful trenchcoat rants was a confirmed alt. Also, they both have the letter "n" in their name. COINCIDENCE?

Where do I got to create a humorous A/VB case? Also, I'm pretty sure I spelled his name wrong. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 04:08, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

You could just add it here I guess. And the spelling is correct. Remember, always double S. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 09:28, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Just like Mississippi! —Aichon— 12:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism, 48 hour ban!-- SA 23:11, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Misconduct - Demote the cunt. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

wrong page n00b-- SA 01:00, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm not allowed to write my opinions on Talk:A/VB any more? ohes noes; alert imthatguy and the other idiot! Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 01:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

there are far too many idiots on this wiki for "the other idiot" to single out any one of them in particular :\ Cyberbob  Talk  02:05, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

So true. --Thadeous Oakley 10:38, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

The only other idiot that's into the whole dumb "wiki revolution" facade. I wish I could type that word correctly... Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 03:46, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

WanYao? Cyberbob  Talk  03:48, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Please; if all the crats' disappeared, who would he have to complain about? I mean the dude who runs around with the bolded down with the crats in his signature like a freaking wiki-trenchcoater or something. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 04:03, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

I said wrong page because on A/VB and it's talk, we use Vandalism, or Not Vandalism. Dummy. >:/ -- SA 11:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

So now I'm only allowed to use certain words on certain pages? Am I not allowed to mention vandalism on A/M either? Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 00:13, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Nope, you also can't use the abbreviations anymore either. Or the letter I -- SA 02:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

O thonk that's redoculous. Lelouch vi Britannia is helping make Ridleybank green_ and gives Achievements 02:17, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Your sig still has all the i's in it.-- SA 13:38, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

And you abbreviated that is to that's.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 13:40, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

He didn't use an i though so it's okay.-- SA 13:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Question

I've been studying this page here...
And how in the world are all these sysops like DDR and the others being accused of vandalising stuff?
Most of it is just comments.
WTF?-- Jerrel tlk _{(82nd!) (Project Unwelcome!)}. 05:10, 13 July 2010 (BST)

It's all just fucking comments, man. Fucking comments.. Cyberbob  Talk  05:21, 13 July 2010 (BST)

you just gotta get the feel of them man. like what even are comments. what even are they. Cyberbob  Talk  05:23, 13 July 2010 (BST)

05:27, 13 July 2010 (BST)

cool macro do you have any others i wish to partake in this cutting edge humour Cyberbob  Talk  05:29, 13 July 2010 (BST)

I am all out for now. It's currently sunrise and I am going to beds. 05:31, 13 July 2010 (BST)

And here I though I'd never agree with you. Jerk/Annoyance/Troll ≠ Vandal. --VVV ^RPMBG 05:25, 13 July 2010 (BST)

If you can cite a specific case, we can discuss it. Otherwise, if you want a broad answer, it's a matter of one person feeling that someone else committed vandalism. That's all there is to it. And just because someone is accused of something does not mean that they actually did it. As often as not, we rule Not Vandalism on these cases, I think. —Aichon— 06:58, 13 July 2010 (BST)

I think he just meant the case against me. --

 

 

 

 

04:16, 14 July 2010 (BST)

I know you might like using the "royal we" to describe yourself, but even you aren't "all these sysops" all by your lonesome. ;) —Aichon— 04:42, 14 July 2010 (BST)

Ha, but he specified me, that's why I assumed he meant my case as the one that spurred his comments. --

 

 

 

 

10:19, 14 July 2010 (BST)