User talk:Boxy/Moderation/2007

Main Talk • Locations • Suggest • Signature • Templates Navigation • Playpen POV Sug • Image Archive Archive Page This page is an archive page of User Talk:Boxy. Please do not add comments to it. Excuse me... ...but you appear to be foaming at the mouth again. Seriously, are you even trying to look unbiased these days? --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 11:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC) Do you ever try to look unbiased, Grim? Seriously, I actually want Karek to become a sysops, he deserves it... your bullshit, however, is galling -- boxy talk • i 11:52 7 January 2008 (BST) I wasnt referring to that. I was referring to you following me around this wiki drawing nipping at my heels and drawing the most absurd and stretched connections ive seen in years in an attempt to make them look credible. I have a question: Are you trying to pick a fight with me or not. I am unconcerned either way, just sick of you pissing around. If you arent picking a fight with me, id ask that you at least try to be constructive when lobbing shit at me. If you are, then come out and say it so we can get it over and done with as quickly as possible. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 13:25, 7 January 2008 (UTC) What's your problem, Grim, when you say something ridiculous, I let you know I think it's ridiculous. Goose, gander, and all that shite -- boxy talk • i 13:43 7 January 2008 (BST) Ill take that as a yes. Good to have all this cleared up, though i was hoping to avoid it. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 13:45, 7 January 2008 (UTC) I don't want to fight with you grim, some things just have to be said... you seem to have a proclivity to believe your own propaganda otherwise -- boxy talk • i 13:57 7 January 2008 (BST) Protections I've been thinking about protecting some of my more sensitive pages (such as my link-heavy sig). Do I have to go to A/PT, or can I do it myself since it is my own namespace? --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 04:29, 3 January 2008 (UTC) If you do it, I'd say you should at least log it on A/PT, that way everyone can easily see it.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC) I'm pretty sure you've got to apply to A/PT. And yeah, it's a good idea -- boxy talk • i 04:38 3 January 2008 (BST) Promotions Kooks still needs a sysop vouch, unless you're vouching for him.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  23:41, 1 January 2008 (UTC) You're right, and the only voucher with more than 200 edits is Anime. Thanks -- boxy talk • i 23:47 1 January 2008 (BST) Hey guys, how does one check how many edits one had? Cheers!--Thekooks 23:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC) Go to the contributions tab. Yours is here -- boxy talk • i 00:02 2 January 2008 (BST) Contribs How close am I to the 250 I'll need (in two months) to get my 2nd warning stricken?  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  21:17, 21 December 2007 (UTC) Your problem isn't going to be contributions, it's going to be keeping out of trouble long enough to avoid another escalation. Consider your contributions before posting. You're an impulsive one, that's for sure -- boxy talk • i 08:49 22 December 2007 (BST) Talk pages and Impersonation A quick question about you comment on the Treviabot92 A/VB case. Who was ban/warned for talk page comment editing? I was looking for a case of that in the archives and must have missed it. - Vantar 07:24, 17 December 2007 (UTC) I'm still looking for a specific one, but the one I posted on VB was impersonation on a group page, which has similar ownership rights to User pages -- boxy talk • i 07:28 17 December 2007 (BST) Oh, I can't find any specific to user talk pages, maybe what I remember is from last year (before we started archiving A/VB) -- boxy talk • i 07:43 17 December 2007 (BST) Just for the record (and to make it easier to find in the future), the guideline for user page ownership -- boxy talk • i 08:03 17 December 2007 (BST) Boxeee Has it been long enough? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:10, 19 December 2007 (UTC) Probably -- boxy talk • i 08:51 22 December 2007 (BST) Admin request Could you please have a look at [this] and, if you consider it a troll vote (as I do), use your sysop powers to strike it? It's currently making the difference between Reviewed and Undecided. --Funt Solo QT 19:45, 11 December 2007 (UTC) If it was a regular, or systematic thing, I'd worry about it. But it doesn't seem any worse than a lot of the spams when JP's suggestion ripped off your idea -- boxy talk • i 07:02 12 December 2007 (BST) Hello Firstly, thanks for this. Secondly, might I ask the purpose of this edit? There are a variety of group pages with very little (if any) factual content on them. Why did you place that template there, especially since there has yet to have been a ruling concerning the page. Lastly, thanks for your prodigious use of the color red. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 02:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC) Hey, the page is fine, and it is not being suggested that it is itself vandalism (that case is only about the redirect). However, it is also allowed for people other than group members to edit in a NPOV section... it doesn't get used much these days, but if it will stop people getting pissed off enough to continually vandalise that page, I'll use it. Perhaps that template may be inappropriate, but the alternative is for a paragraph explaining exactly what the score is with that page -- boxy talk • i 02:30 11 December 2007 (BST) Ah, I see. So, one is allowed to edit an NPOV section on a group page, even when one is not a group member and said section is not present? You have been here much longer than myself, and I trust your judgment on the matter at hand. And, indeed, I, nor any other member of the group I represent, feel hurt or threatened by this continued vandalism. In fact, we all find it rather amusing. Anyway, I think that there may be another way to express the discrepancies in the page more subtly. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 02:36, 11 December 2007 (UTC) Apologies I should have taken the page to deletion/speedy deletion, since Red Rum is trolling DK13 at the moment. So far, almost no-one believes "Martial Law" ATM, but RR prancing about pulling childish stunts isn't funny. Glenstone 15:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC) It is funny, really it is... -- boxy talk • i 12:16 23 December 2007 (BST) Goat goatse anyone? --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 11:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC) Idle Sysops What do you think about the proposed changes? --Akule School's in session. 22:59, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Yeah, I was just reading that. I still doubt it'll get up, a) because another similar policy too soon will start getting "spam" votes from people sick of the topic b) it's your suggestion and c) 4 months is still too short -- boxy talk • i 23:14 10 December 2007 (BST) 4 months is a long time to do nothing. I can understand if this was a small, inactive wiki, but it isn't. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC) I figured I'd have to get over the hurdle of it being my suggestion. Even if I withdraw it and then repost it once the stragglers finish the discussion? How many months were you thinking? --Akule School's in session. 23:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC) It picks up people who may have a break from the wiki, but still come back keen to contribute. People may take an extended R/L holiday, have a major upheaval in their lives, etc. Quite a few have returned after months away, Grim and Vista are a couple that spring to mind. But we do need a process to remove long abandoned accounts, like BobHammero -- boxy talk • i 23:23 10 December 2007 (BST) What if we made special exceptions for people going on vaction? Like "I'm going to be on vacation for 4 months, I'll be back and editing when I'm back home." --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:25, 10 December 2007 (UTC) That's an idea. 3-4 months unless you notify the adminstration team of how long you are going to be absent? What would the extended timeline look like? --Ryiis 23:26, 10 December 2007 (UTC) We'd have to have an upward limit on vacation time. Morlock said he'd be back in October of 2005. How does six months for vacation time sound? The only thing I see as a problem is that we don't want someone coming in for a few days and then leaving for another six months. --Akule School's in session. 23:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC) Yes, it could work. But that just adds another layer of complication for people not to like, and vote against -- boxy talk • i 23:31 10 December 2007 (BST) So you would prefer just going with a six month span? --Akule School's in session. 23:35, 10 December 2007 (UTC) A question... Are users allowed to create a sub-page of another user? I don't remember seeing anything saying either way, but I'd like to know for future reference.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 23:39, 5 December 2007 (UTC) He's one of Zinkers team mates, so I assume he's got permission -- boxy talk • I 01:15 6 December 2007 (BST) I wasn't talking about that edit in specifics, just using it as an example. But I got my answer anyway, so thanks!-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 10:58, 6 December 2007 (UTC) ummm Will he ever stop? <div class="usermessage">You have been chosen to recive a free prize just click [[Special:Userlogout|<span style="color: #55328e; text-decoration: underline; cursor: pointer">'''Here!</span>]].</div> (userlogout part)--  Savant  Chit-Chat  20:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC) Where's he put it now? -- boxy talk • i 22:55 10 December 2007 (BST) He removed it now.--  Savant  Chit-Chat  07:23, 11 December 2007 (UTC) He didn't. I acidentally clicked on it :P . It is on the 2nd yellow box in his user page (it is userlogout again) --  Savant  Chit-Chat  18:16, 11 December 2007 (UTC) <div class="usermessage">click here to learn all about the wiki [[Special:Userlogout|<span style="color: #55328e; text-decoration: underline; cursor: pointer">'''click here!</span>]].</div> Proof--  Savant  Chit-Chat  11:14, 12 December 2007 (UTC) We allow a fair bit of leaway on pages in the User: namespace (this included). Just don't click on it... it's not hard to spot (check the url of any link before clicking) -- boxy talk • i 11:37 12 December 2007 (BST) You're right I'm sorry for the drama. Would you like a refreshing mint to cheer you up? They're refreshing. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 10:33, 1 December 2007 (UTC) Censoring Looks like I did it again. Sorry, sometimes I just have to use whatever Cybercafe I have at hand and sometimes I don't realize the crappy systems they use. That edit was just aimed at fixing User:Xan2020 signature, thanks for remembering redoing it yourself after reverting all my crappy changes! Not even mentioning not taking me to A/VB directly... Thanks again! --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 14:05, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Deletions Simple question. I created a wikipage (or two) before I realized that I had "misplaced" them, let's call it "mistitled". Now I moved them to the correct wikipage title, but the old pages exist as redirects. I think that's messy so I want to delete them. What's the call on this as I'm a Sysop. Do I need to go through the normal Deletion process or can I skip myself to the head of the line and delete them myself. I did create the wikipages and it falls under valid criteria for their deletion, so no rules are being broken. Let me know if I can do this as I hate to think I'm making a mess... bleh. --Mobius187 17:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC) Yep, you can delete any unused redirects resulting from page moves without needing to go through the deletions pages. Have a look here -- boxy • talk • 23:40 24 November 2007 (BST) Thanks for the information. This should help me with my clean up duties... well, as far as they pertain to me. :) --Mobius187 23:46, 24 November 2007 (UTC) No worries. I move a heap of misplaced pages around, but if they're someone else's page, I usually put {{movedelete}} on them so it's obvious where they've moved to, and then go and clean them up later -- boxy • talk • 23:52 24 November 2007 (BST) Hmmm... Damn! 40-9 and you say no? I think this is the first time a 'crat has said no agianst overwhelming community support. --User:Axe27/Sig 14:37, 21 November 2007 (UTC) Yes, well I've been a bit of a pushover in the on the promotions page, and they don't work out. It's not going to take much for AHLG to convince me he should be a sysops, it's just that he stated he would be involved in the area that I view his bid as being weakest -- boxy • talk • 02:07 22 November 2007 (BST) Drat. I was that close?--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:08, 22 November 2007 (UTC) Yes. I should ban you for making me think so hard on it! :p Ah, but you know that I wouldn't jump into complex VB cases thinking that I can solve the matter easily. In fact, I intended to ignore those complex issues in the beginning and let Grim handle them. It's not like they're going anywhere. :) I even had a little plan to start me off sysoping, unrelated to VB. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:45, 22 November 2007 (UTC) Why did you pick on me? My vote, D&D referenced the fact that including giant swords is not in-genre. Why did you delete it as invalid, but leave in votes such as "Ni!", "Wut?", "Oh my." and "...Ha ha ha ha ha haaaa... hee hee...". I believe that you're targeting me specifically for some reason, boxy. --Funt Solo QT 10:42, 19 November 2007 (UTC) Because you've changed your voting style to make it seem like there is a problem with the justification rule. There is a different intention to it, oh, and they all voted spam before their comment. You're doing your best to push the boundries. (it's) Grim indeed -- boxy • talk • 10:47 19 November 2007 (BST) It's in the Spam section - unless I'm duping, there's no need to declare Spam, is there? And look at the other votes I've made today - where more justification is required, I provide it. Where it's obvious it's not needed, I provide the minimum required. If you continue to target me and not other people who are providing actually NO justification, I will bring a case of misconduct under bullying. --Funt Solo QT 10:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC) The Funt I used to know usually justified his vote for even the most ridiculous suggestions, even in the keep section when he simply agreed. But all of a sudden, now you've a point to prove you don't even bother voting spam. BTW, don't take it too personally, you're not alone -- boxy • talk • 10:57 19 November 2007 (BST) Its a shame, Funt used to be such a great contributer, now he is just a pitiful excuse for a troll. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 10:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC) If you wanna start name calling, please use your own pages. Hopefully things will calm down once the vote is finished, and we can get back to normal, one way or another -- boxy • talk • 11:03 19 November 2007 (BST) In any disagreement, Grim, there are two sides. And, as one might expect, both sides probably behave badly at some point during the disagreement. To assume that you're always right, and that your opponent is always wrong, is the absolute height of arrogance. --Funt Solo QT 11:20, 19 November 2007 (UTC) Boxy, the vote "It's grim" was accepted as a reasonable justification in a recent A/VB case, and yet you've decided now to strike it as not allowed. Please, define for me what is and isn't reasonable justification, so that I can abide by the rules. Are, for example, as you haven't struck them, the votes I mention above okay? Is the vote "Ni!" allowable? I am noting this as another case of your bullying me and targeting me specifically over other users, because YOU wish to make a point. --Funt Solo QT 11:41, 19 November 2007 (UTC) I think I've made my case up above well enough -- boxy • talk • 11:46 19 November 2007 (BST) Are you saying that it's specifically me that's not allowed to make a vote such as "Spam - Ni!", but other users are allowed to? I would like some clarification as to why I'm being picked out of the crowd. --Funt Solo QT 11:50, 19 November 2007 (UTC) A policy that may be. Oh, and you need to archive Yeah, it's 68 Kilobytes long. Time to archive. Oh, but I wanted to know, Why do we keep the year long ban? How many people have come back from a year long ban? I know Duce Nauks didn't, so I'm assuming that it may just be better if we got rid of it. --User:Axe27/Sig 17:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC) Some users might, I get the feeling that Amazing, Jorm, or Sonny would come back if they got banned for a year.--Karekmaps?! 17:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC) Please don't use my name in this. I've never gotten so much as a warning.--Jorm 17:52, 18 November 2007 (UTC) That's not how I meant it, just that you've been around so long coming back after a year, for whatever reason, seems like something you might do.--Karekmaps?! 17:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC) No, I wouldn't support this policy. It may well be so, that a year long ban is as good as infinite, but it does no harm. If they do happen to come back after a year, with the turnover of regulars here, a change in the feel of the wiki, or a change in themselves, they could well become productive members. Basically, I don't see it doing any harm, and personally, I like to give plenty of chances to reform -- boxy • talk • 03:51 19 November 2007 (BST) Looking to get banned It's early in the morning and I haven't had any coffee... but what edit(s) was I looking to get banned in? Yes, I am honestly this tired right now.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  14:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC) And I never struck the jesus wept vote.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  14:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC) Oops, it was suicidal that did that. My bad. But I was talking about your striking of funts unjustified vote. I would have ruled not vandalism... but then I'm sure others wouldn't be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt given your past. 'tis late at night here... I should piss off -- boxy • talk • 14:31 18 November 2007 (BST) Ah. Thanks for clearing that up.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  14:32, 18 November 2007 (UTC) And I defended my vote. Sorry for the confusion.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  16:09, 18 November 2007 (UTC) Lay off the coffee, man -- boxy • talk • 16:18 18 November 2007 (BST) can you rule on VB? I'm sorry for getting in trouble again; as it said there, I didn't know replacing that link would cause controversy.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  16:21, 18 November 2007 (UTC) Excuse me? You said, about my actions: "an abuse of the system". After all the time I spent explaining my motives, are you openly accusing me of bad faith here? How is it an abuse of the system to make an edit, and to request an edit (both in good faith, for positive reasons)? That's all I did. And, I spent quite a long time explaining my motivations - part of which are to do with feeling guilty over what happened to Sockem - even though (if you look at the case) he point blank refused to enter into polite debate over the issue and he requested to be taken to A/VB. How dare you, boxy! Just because you happen to disagree on a couple of issues, it does not mean that everyone else is acting in bad faith. I have watched your rise in responsibility on this wiki, and for the vast majority of it, I've always seen you as level-headed and as assuming good faith. You've changed. --Funt Solo QT 11:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC) I didn't accuse you of anything, however the sysops who edited the page should have known better than to just change the rules without at least a discussion about the issue -- boxy • talk • 11:36 18 November 2007 (BST) It was changed back without any fuss. Now there is a policy proposal (which is what you asked for), although (even there, going through the more official channels you recommended) you're openly accusing me of bad faith and claiming that the judgement of the sysops in the linked A/VB case is wrong. You also accuse me of planning this entire thing from the ground up. I'm not that smart, boxy, really. You're being paranoid. --Funt Solo QT 11:44, 18 November 2007 (UTC) Sockem case Funt explained his vote on Sockems talk page. Dictionary definition: Of a sinister or ghastly character. His comment on sockems page: From the dictionary: "grim: of a sinister or ghastly character; repellent". The single word, "grim", is my justification. So, leave my votes alone, you interfering asshat. --Funt Solo QT 22:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC) I could understand this bad faith assuming witch hunt when it was just targetting me, but leave Funt out of this. Funnily enough, i Already pointed this out to you and you still made that stupid comment accusing him, oh, and you pretty much told me to piss off with your cold "I didn't ask you, Grim" --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 09:47, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Yes, well I don't buy it... not at all. Saying "(It's) Grim" has an obvious double meaning, flagged by the use of the brackets, and be bolding and capitalisation of Grim. Even saying "it is grim" about the suggestion doesn't make sense. And I wanted the answer from Funt himself, because I have a great deal of respect for him, and figured I could cut through the bullshite. Your answering for him, stating that you knew his intentions, was counterproductive to that. I know it was a spamworthy suggestion, and I'd support the ruling if it was a simple Spam vote that was continually struck... but it wasn't, it was someone I figure was dicking around with the suggestion votes -- boxy • talk • 09:57 15 November 2007 (BST) I didnt answer for him. I linked you to where he explained it himself. It was his answer, not mine. I didnt even reproduce it until here. He has explained it, if you dont like it, thats your problem, not his. Your assuming bad faith based on your not believing him is just bad form. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 10:03, 15 November 2007 (UTC) That's why I fucking asked him straight up before accusing him of anything! His answer to me led me to believe there was indeed more to the "(It's) Grim" comment... osmosis indeed, he was bringing stuff from another suggestion into this one to be a smartarse. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for being a smartarse... it's all fun and games, until someone looses an eye, eh. And Sockem did loose an eye, he got banned for it. As far as I'm concerned, if Funt wants to play funny buggers with his suggestions voting, he doesn't have the right to go getting others bloody banned for it. Bad form -- boxy • talk • 10:10 15 November 2007 (BST) And you did indeed answer for him, as well as linking, by saying "It, of course, has nothing to do with myself" -- boxy • talk • 10:13 15 November 2007 (BST) Boxy, even if there was a double entendre in there, it doesnt make any difference on the validity of the vote so long as one of them is valid, and the explaination on Sockems talk page certainly fits that bill. In any case, you are drawing an incredible amount of conclusions from a simple "(Its)", and a lot of them dont seem to be supported. You are, in my opinion, way out on a limb here with precious little to support you, id suggest backing down for now. If it happens a couple of more times you will have enough data to draw a conclusion from, until then it might be a good idea to just back off. Also, i didnt comment for him, i made a comment of my own about his comment. There is a difference. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 10:35, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Don't you go lecturing me on going out on limbs, Grim. I have done absolutely nothing yet, apart from express my concern with the ruling. When you go out on limbs, you start chopping straight away. And you say wait? Yeah, great... too bad Sockem gets, and keeps, a ban in the meantime. How about this? You leave me alone to work through this with the people involved. You may have started this whole suggestions striking drama fest... but how about letting us get on with fixing it up now, eh -- boxy • talk • 10:53 15 November 2007 (BST) Ill admit my own behaviour isnt perfect, and its something ive been trying to fix of late. However, the fact that im saying it doesnt strip it of any of its validity. Besides, when i go out on a limb, i usually have some more support than a vague feeling and a "(Its)". Now, im trying to help wind that drama fest down, as well as others that flew up spontaneously by directly avoiding all provocation tossed at me. That said, i started the much smaller NOTE drama, but in which i have said twice that i would support the community decision on the matter, and avoided much other participation directly to prevent its perpetuation. It is not my fault some ignorant twits decided to take it further and pour petrol on the strikeout drama fires, and you cannot blame me for it. The unjustified vote drama is not of my doing, and has been around in the background for some weeks already, my only contribution other than this was unstriking Nubis's vote, hardly starting it, hell, im not even a major contributor. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 11:18, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Hi guys - sorry to cause drama or bad feeling, especially with you two, who I rate pretty highly - Sockem wouldn't leave it alone, though, and I hate users who edit war without discussion of the matter. As I said over on VB, he even asked for it to be taken there. To explain the (It's), I had initially just written "Grim", and when Sockem deleted that, I added the "(It's)", in brackets as a kind of sarcastic explanation for Sockem of why I had decided that the single word "grim" was adequate justification. Then, after he struck that, I went to his talk page, and you know the rest. Boxy, you're correct - my use of the word "grim" was a reference to yesterday's hullabaloo - but it is also a valid vote, because I thought those suggestions were grim enough to get spammed. If you think that I (accidentally) provoked Sockem into behaving like an asshat, then I'd have no complaint about him getting unbanned and just warned not to edit valid votes, or to talk to people and not start edit wars, or whatever. Surely, we're allowed to be satirical? That's all I was doing. --Funt Solo QT 12:23, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Oh - I just noticed you linked to the Mod Conspiracy page as part of your reasoning on A/VB. I hope you note in those articles that everyone gets similar treatment, whatever side of a particular fence they happen to be on. Everyone gets shredded equally, and it's mostly just nonsense, based on bits of truth. If I didn't think people would see the funny side, I wouldn't write them. And, partly, it's just an exercise in laughing at this place and at myself for taking it too seriously at times. No offence meant. --Funt Solo QT 12:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC) Y'know what, I saw those votes (yours and bob's "s" vote) last night... considered striking them, as I do with many unjustified suggestions votes. But thought, blah, it's not worth the drama, that they're obviously looking for. Wish I had now... perhaps I will in the future... and yeah, Sockem is a jerk, often. The Mod Conspiracy thing... yeah, I know it's tongue in cheek... but I also know it's there to make people think about wiki issues for themselves by bringing contentious issues to light in an entertaining manner without giving a serious editorial interpretation to tell them what to think. (I contributed before I was lured to the dark side) >:) -- boxy • talk • 12:56 15 November 2007 (BST) Oh, if you think my Mod Conspiracy articles are too one-sided, absolutely feel free to edit them. I deliberately don't put my name to them because I don't want to claim ownership of them. --Funt Solo QT 13:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC) I have no issue with them, at all. I like the fact that it has been revived -- boxy • talk • 13:08 15 November 2007 (BST) Movedelete A/G#Scheduled_Deletions. You can delete redirects resulting from page moves immediately, just an FYI. It saves the rest of us the bother of hunting them down and purging them. Just go through the what links here page and update the links. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 13:07, 13 November 2007 (UTC) I have found that this way has a couple of advantages. It lets newbies know where their page has been moved to, saving them from recreating it when they can't find it... and it also serves as a bit of an educational device, showing others where certain types of pages should be placed if they come upon them. I'll delete them myself, once the links turn back to "unvisited" for me. They're easy to find via the speedydelete category page -- boxy • talk • 13:11 13 November 2007 (BST) Fair enough. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 13:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Thing Best bloody post on the entire page. I used to like Grim, but of late he's been having himself a nice little power trip. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 12:35, 12 November 2007 (UTC) Yes, well it's not really about liking him or not. I still respect his contributions here, despite the fact that I think he pushes the limits a bit. I wouldn't be surprised if I annoy him with some of the things I do too -- boxy • talk • 13:33 12 November 2007 (BST) Hello. What power trip? One policy discussion (this one), an open discussion (Not a policy proposal) related to democracy on the wiki (Where i spelled out my position as having the sysops and people who made the determination as being two seperate groups of people), and a forceful argument on the promotions page (Which isnt a power trip in any way, but just arguing). Like me or hate me, i honestly dont care, but dont be a dick just to be a dick. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 13:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC) Indent problems? Or were you talking to me, despite the fact that it was bob who used "power trip"? Anyway, gotta sleep, work, etc. So I'll catch up tomorrow, eh -- boxy • talk • 13:56 12 November 2007 (BST) Oops... my bad. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 14:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC) I can only call it as I see it, Grim. Being unpopular is fine in my book, as long as you're still doing a good job... but IMHO you're taking the whole thing a little too far. Until you show otherwise I see no reason to change my opinion (much as I'd like to). --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 21:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC) Email link? Err.. I didn't find a link to an email. THanks for the help though! --  Karth  FoD 01:53, 7 November 2007 (UTC) Perhaps it's in a different spot (I've changed my preferences, and I'm probably using a different skin to you). Anyway, here's a link that should work -- boxy • talk • 07:30 7 November 2007 (BST) It seems Like I'm the only one willing to make an effort to get over past arguments and battles. Why do you insist on keeping a closed mind? I'd like to become friends with you, but you don't give me a chance. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 05:33, 2 November 2007 (UTC) Look, I'm over it. I don't go out of my way to have a go at you, so I don't know why you act like this. I'm not likely to ever be friends with you, but that's true of 99% of the people on this wiki. There is no "grudge" here just because I don't think you were a good sysops -- boxy • talk • 00:10 3 November 2007 (BST) Your input I was wondering if I could get your input on a proposed change to the policy for sysops. I'm thinking about increasing the edits required against inactivity to 12 administrative edits within three months (similar the rule of: "Users with at least 12 edits in the 30 days before the election are considered "active" for purposes of the election"). That way we could get those who want to play the system to at least do something. What do you think? --Akule School's in session. 23:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC) I don't have any problem with sysops who don't do much actual sysop work. I'd just leave it as it is, and if they arn't active enough, the community can express that concern at the regular review (if the policy passes) -- boxy • talk • 00:04 3 November 2007 (BST) Strange Stuff While checking over a historical group vote, I noticed that Dr. Oxford Phd.'s only edit was a "vote" on that page. After doing an IP check, it appears that three other accounts are on that same IP. Although two of the accounts have votes posted, it looks like Oxford's "vote" was actually a response to a query from Orange's vote. How do you think this incident should be handled? Thanks for your time. --Z. slay3r •  Talk  22:44, 1 November 2007 (UTC) Well I indented Mr Oranges vote, it wasn't signed properly anyway. Can you have a word with whichever one you reckon is the main account (or let me know and I'll do it later, gotta run now) -- boxy • talk • 23:16 1 November 2007 (BST) It looks like Mr.Orange is the main account, because it has the most edits. I'll say something on his/her/whatever talk page. Thanks for the help! --Z. slay3r •  Talk  23:31, 1 November 2007 (UTC) Small request Hey Boxy, can you please set this page for deletion. Unused. Thanks.--  Savant  Chit-Chat  19:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC) Nuked, as an unused image. The speedydelete queue is quicker :) -- boxy • talk • 23:58 2 November 2007 (BST) Thanks dude--  Savant  Chit-Chat  06:20, 3 November 2007 (UTC) Put it back Please, it's not much, and it WAS against the rules for you to delete it in the first place.  Nalikill  TALK  E!  W!  M!  USAI  00:55, 27 October 2007 (BST) Actually,Boxy it is. This is blatant bad faith, that you deleted a Use subpage. Under the guidelines, you are not allowed to do this, and there a precedents to support your decision. --User:Axe27/Sig 01:10, 27 October 2007 (BST) It's only use was for vandalism, and it was deleted as such before. Recreating it can be seen as vandalism, and we don't take pages that are vandalism to a vote -- boxy • talk • 04:10 27 October 2007 (BST) Speedy delete? uhm, why did you set this up for speedy delete? if anyhting, the page acts as a rerouter to the_man/juicybraindrinker and anybody wishing to lookup jucybraindrinker would rather type "juicybraindrinker" in the search column. I know that I do so when I want to go to this page.... The man 11:33, 25 October 2007 (BST) It's a crit 9, a page named after a user without the "User:" or "Journal:" prefix. It should never have been put in the main namespace -- boxy • talk • 11:41 25 October 2007 (BST) oookay then... The man 19:10, 25 October 2007 (BST) Things on A/D The indent template already in the newbie help category, you put it there ;). I haven't seen anyone ask how to indent on the wiki, so I see this template as being useless. If you showed me a few examples of people doing so, I'll change my vote. Also, aren't users supposed to do all their experimentation in some sort of sandbox before implementation? Furthermore, isn't Morgan a female? --Z. slay3r •  Talk  15:35, 24 October 2007 (BST) No idea about Morgan... wouldn't surprise me, isn't the first time I've got people's genders wrong. As to the indent thing, no, newbies don't ask for it, but there are plenty of people who don't know how to indent until told, that template can be used to explain it to them on their talk pages -- boxy • talk • 15:41 24 October 2007 (BST) lokketside wiki page right, thanks to izumi the news cannot be updated except by a sysop. well the big bash is currently tearing the suburb apart. thats the news.....you might wanna post it there... thanks in advance The man 16:58, 23 October 2007 (BST) If you want a protected page edited, please place a request on the A/PT page -- boxy • talk • 15:42 24 October 2007 (BST) re: images, etc. on V/B talk Thanks for the helpful information. I may take a look at stuff, remove some of the pics... but the guy has uploaded SHITLOADS of pics, man... that's kind of why I brought it up where sysops could see it, because it's going to be very hard to clean up, if "we" choose to do so. You know... has anyone ever considered -- or maybe there is but I just don't know about it -- a page for general questions addressed to sysops? i.e. an appropriate place where I could have posted my own question? --WanYao 03:41, 20 October 2007 (BST) You could probably use UDWiki talk:Administration/Discussion to bring up such questions. The thing about this, is that there's not a lot a sysop can do about it that you cant do yourself. Bad taste isn't a moderateable offense, so the only real way to get him to stop is through arbitration, and you've as much power there as anyone else, sysops included -- boxy • talk • 03:48 20 October 2007 (BST) I wasn't aware of that Admin/Discussion page. And, yeah, I know that this the kind of issue that really doesn't seem to fall into "offense" or category... I mean, I don't consider it vandalism: the user believes they are acting in good faith, that seems apparent. What I do consider it is like the idea that the wiki doesn't bar people from being idiots, you know? Unfortunately... But it's really the SCALE of his uploads, and the fact that he's doing them to widely used COMMUNITY game information pages without ANY community consultation... That's, basically, not very cool IMO. Anyway, thanks for the help... I might delete some images and post a rationale in the talk pages... I just don't want a gorram big dramatic edit war thing over it all... --WanYao 04:00, 20 October 2007 (BST) Nice Job on the A/VB Page It's probably not my place, but you did a nice job of cleaning up the A/VB page. That archive template is really nice, and it opens up the page a lot more than with that long ass ToC on the right hand side. Anyway, just thought I'd send some appreciation your way. --Ryiis 15:44, 19 October 2007 (BST) Heh :) It'll get long enough again, soon enough -- boxy • talk • 16:30 19 October 2007 (BST) Is there somewhere that I could go to, that would tell me how to make a template box like that? I am thinking that it might be a good idea to add it to suburb pages for News Archives. Might help to clean a few of them up or something - that and I'd like to tidy the Shore Hills mainpage. --Ryiis 17:16, 19 October 2007 (BST) Take a look here and here for tutorials on tables (which you will need to make an announcement box) and templates. Basically what I do, is find one that I like the look of, copy it, and then just change a few things to make it suit the page/purpose -- boxy • talk • 02:18 20 October 2007 (BST) Huh? Why decapitalise the Evil? --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 11:12, 14 October 2007 (BST) Because that's the name he signed up with. The userpage now links to his contributions, the capitalised one doesn't (I stuffed up the firt time by not checking the detail) -- boxy • talk • 11:15 14 October 2007 (BST) Gotcha. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 11:30, 14 October 2007 (BST) Well aren't you popular Glad to see you're making friends... If it's any consolation, I think you're doing an aight job. --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 05:35, 14 October 2007 (BST) Heh :) -- boxy • talk • 06:49 14 October 2007 (BST) Active? If so, would you mind looking into my lovely misconduct case?-- Vista  +1  11:20, 10 October 2007 (BST) sysop hello, I was wondering....what is a sysop? and for that matter, what is the hiearchy system of the wiki? The man 09:56, 9 October 2007 (BST) This link may answer your question. Basically they are users who have shown they can be trusted with administrative powers -- boxy • talk • 14:39 9 October 2007 (BST) Graffiti You are standing in Henslowe Park. Somebody has spraypainted Impeach Boxy! onto a tree. @Roftwood. Have you done something naughty recently ? --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 21:33, 5 October 2007 (BST) Impeach boxy!!!1one :) It fizzled out long ago though -- boxy • talk • 23:21 5 October 2007 (BST) huuummmm... --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 23:30, 5 October 2007 (BST) Finis Suicide Spots Deletion Not wanting to cause needless drama, I've changed my vote to delete. You can go ahead and re-delete it now. Also, that edit from Pavluk on the page that I reverted isn't vandalism. Pavluk's my brother, he must have been on the wiki this morning before I was and didn't log out. I forgot to check who was logged in when I made the first edit. Sorry. --Bob Fortune RR 10:43, 1 October 2007 (BST) Thanks, and I did wonder about that Pavluk edit :) Unfortunately there is another keep vote, so it'll have to hang around, for a while at least -- boxy • talk • 10:57 1 October 2007 (BST) May I inquire as to what this discussion is about? It interests me greatly...--Jed 06:50, 2 October 2007 (BST) Time to Ban Winter Rose, another sock pupper of izumi.--Darkmagic 21:24, 30 September 2007 (BST) What did I tell you last night? Don't encourage it, dark -- boxy • talk • 10:44 1 October 2007 (BST) is there any way to kill off izumi once and for all.--Darkmagic 13:49, 30 September 2007 (BST) Meh, what's it to ya -- boxy • talk • 13:52 30 September 2007 (BST) I don't like wiki ass's.--Darkmagic 13:54, 30 September 2007 (BST) You're not going to enjoy your time on teh wiki then... I suggest you find more important things to worry about :) -- boxy • talk • 13:56 30 September 2007 (BST) That and the fact he edited my group page to remove himself from the kos list there, don't you want him gone forever boxy? whered you get that name anyways?--Darkmagic 13:57, 30 September 2007 (BST) Darkmagic, there is no way to really stop someone from coming back on the wiki if they want to (with a proxy). All it takes is a little smarts, to avoid acting like your old self. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 14:03, 30 September 2007 (BST) And luckly izumi dosn't know how to do that :) i mean, your in the exact same group and act like izumi lol, meh, whered it get the name sock puppeting?--Darkmagic 14:06, 30 September 2007 (BST) I'll try to spell this out as clearly as I can... because it seems that heaps of people just don't get it... this is the internet, it's extremely hard to totally deny access to anyone who has a moderate amount of net knowledge and still keep the site open for well intentioned newbies. All we can do is ban them when they appear, and wait for her to grow bored with us. Constantly discussing her will not help this process one bit... it will only extend it (by making her angry, or by stroking the ego). Keep an eye out, by all means, and report any alts you notice. But try not to make a fuss about it, it's counter productive -- boxy • talk • 14:07 30 September 2007 (BST) Ya ya, now answer my other 2 questions, whered you get your name nad whered the name sockpuppets come from,/--Darkmagic 14:09, 30 September 2007 (BST) Boxhead was a self-derogatory nickname I gave myself on in one of the first forums I visited in cyberspace... it stuck, albeit in a shortened version. Sockpuppet means that someone is using a puppet to say things for them -- boxy • talk • 14:20 30 September 2007 (BST) Ah, i'm using one of my brothers account names, you rememgber my brother?--Darkmagic 14:22, 30 September 2007 (BST) striken out warnings not sure if this is the right spot, but here goes. i have an old warning, could i get it struck out, or is it still too soon? i couldnt find how long it takes. thanks.--'BPTmz 06:18, 30 September 2007 (BST) If you go 2 months without a warning, and have 250 good faith edits in that time, then a warning can be struck. There's not much point to worrying about it until another case comes up against you (it will be checked if you get another warning), but I can strike it if you're sure you qualify and really want it done -- boxy • talk • 06:22 30 September 2007 (BST) if you could check, that would be great. im sure i've done more then 5 good faith edits since then.--'BPTmz 06:26, 30 September 2007 (BST) OK, done. But it's not an invitation to go get yourself another -- boxy • talk • 06:32 30 September 2007 (BST) OMG MISCONDUCT !!!11!ONE!!1! --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 06:35, 30 September 2007 (BST) Would you care to tell us why? I can't see nothing but proper procedure here. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 06:45, 30 September 2007 (BST) Just a joke, Matt, just a joke :) -- boxy • talk • 07:00 30 September 2007 (BST) Awwww! But I wanted some drama! --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 07:26, 30 September 2007 (BST) i think it was more of a jab at me...in anycase thanks Boxy.--'BPTmz 21:19, 30 September 2007 (BST) Possibly, you can take it though :P -- boxy • talk • 10:44 1 October 2007 (BST) Promotionx2 I processed the two on the promotion page. Both cases were extremely clear. Hope I didn't step on your toes.-- Evil  Vista  04:04, 30 September 2007 (BST) No problemo... except for where you hid this comment on my talk page :P -- boxy • talk • 13:54 30 September 2007 (BST) What can I say? Evil--> -- Vista  +1  15:26, 2 October 2007 (BST) Hint Just a hint, by uploading an image you've created to a wiki, you give implied consent for others to link to it within the wiki. You can probably make a case for restricting it's useage to your own group in this case, but please do it within the rules -- boxy • talk • 13:13 25 September 2007 (BST) Great! Can you tell me how I restrict an image for my group only?--Jarlian 13:17, 25 September 2007 (BST) The first thing to do is ask nicely, most people would be willing to comply with reasonable requests like this. Those who don't can be taken to arbitration. If you make a good case for needing those images to stay "in group" then a ruling can be made so that the pages can be edited (I'd try for a wiki wide ruling so that any of those images can be removed in the future after a simple request on the users talk page). I know it seems like a pain in the arse, but allowing people to edit other's pages whenever they don't like the content isn't an option here -- boxy • talk • 13:25 25 September 2007 (BST) Vandal Baning Drama Can you take a look at this?. I want a less biased mod to rule on this. --User:Axe27/Sig 17:40, 23 September 2007 (BST) What? This isn't about bias; afaik reverting spam like that is standard operating procedure. It's even been done by this same guy before, so he knows no one wants his shit.--Jorm 18:16, 23 September 2007 (BST) Well, sorry to have bothered you. Two other sysops have backed me up since. It appears that Axe27 is just trying to score points off a less than popular sysop in order to boost his own standing without taking a moment to review the facts of the case or the existing precidents on the matter. I subsequently linked him to three prior rulings that went in the same direction as the one linked to here. The earliest of which was ruled on by yourself. Had he known this, i believe he would have been a lot more reluctant to contact you regarding this matter. --The Grimch U! E! 18:59, 23 September 2007 (BST) Kamden, this isn't bias at all, really. Anyone would have ruled the same. A user in the other corner of the wiki is telling you this, I don't know whom else could you seek for to get things done your way... --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 19:52, 23 September 2007 (BST) Alright, since you all cannot seem to see that I don't actually have an agenda behind this, let me first slap the hands of Grim and Matthew. Grim, grow up. I don't really care if the guy gets warned for it, but it is only standard precedure. Secondly, Matthew, I'm not here to get my way. I don't get why you seem to think that I come onto the Wiki solely for the agenda of the zombies. Grow up, the both of you. --User:Axe27/Sig 22:03, 23 September 2007 (BST) Standard procedure? You are making this up. I have ruled on cases brought forward by akule in the past, and when on the vandal banning page it is my responsibility to be impartial, no matter how much i hate whoever is making the report or who is being reported. I take this responsibility extremely seriously, and to accuse me of being biased, especially on such an open and shut case like this one, is both patently absurd and greatly insulting. Since i havent been a member of the RRF for more than a year, indeed, almost everyone that as in the faction when i was a member has already left it themselves, i have no fucking bias towards them (Indeed, they allow policies in the RRF these days that i dont think are kosher for the RRF, and as a result, i am not kindly disposed to the new RRF). It was a clear cut case of spam, and there were three recent precedents that said i was doing the right thing. The fact that you neglected to do even the most basic search of the archives before attempting to stir up drama is the most depressing thing about this. Go stick your head up a dead bears bum. --The Grimch U! E! 22:14, 23 September 2007 (BST) Your point being here? I really could not care how many times you gave me a link adressing this. I asked for another mod to rule on it, and you explode and scream about how I'm after you. So, Grim, How am I stiring up drama, when you are the one screaming over it? You bothered to follow me to Boxy's talk page to get angry at me, so really Grim. I'm stirring up drama? --User:Axe27/Sig 22:24, 23 September 2007 (BST) Oooo.. Sunday drama. Now where did i put that bag of pop-corn ? --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 22:34, 23 September 2007 (BST) I dont recall using allcaps, or using even a single exclaimation mark. Hmm... screaming i aint. I came over because i needed to point out that the case had been dealt with by two other sysops who had backed me up, demonstrating that your bias accusation was about as full of shit as a storage tank in a portaloo after a curry festival. You make up a fictional procedure, then claim its standard. You intentionally attack the judgement of a sysop who has never, in his entire tenure as a sysop (16 months), shown bias in his rulings (Ill admit to one or two mistakes, but they arent because of bias). And then you come onto IRC, and say: "Grim. Your starting Drama. Again." as soon as you have posted your comment on the vandal banning page. How exactly can i not take an interest in seeing your complaint exposed as the smouldering pile of shit it is? --The Grimch U! E! 22:38, 23 September 2007 (BST) It's spam advertising, just like last year, warning and reversion of said edits -- boxy • talk • 06:34 24 September 2007 (BST) Promotion Eh, it can wait, there no actions to do for a bureaucrat for another week yet. I think me or Hagnat will live-- Vista  +1  16:44, 17 September 2007 (BST) Gorn, for now -- boxy • talk • 16:57 17 September 2007 (BST) Hagnat misconduct page I know the page was getting out of hand but the comment of mine that you moved was a reply to points being made in the post above it. It kinda loses some sense where you put it. It's not completely out of context but so no biggie and not worth moving back but i would have prefered it where it was! --Honestmistake 10:53, 17 September 2007 (BST) Yes, I know. But too many people were putting their 2c worth in. The decision was made ages ago to limit the discussion. And having that discussion on the main page is only going to muddy the waters. I want this case to go away, not carry on forever The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:59 17 September 2007 (BST) Clean up, Please This is getting insane. Basic maintence is needed. The policies need to be cycled, Promotions need to be checked, Redirects need to be deleted. Matthew needs to go. Basic Maintence please! --User:Axe27/Sig 20:50, 15 September 2007 (BST) Yes boss, right away boss The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 00:36 16 September 2007 (BST) I'm sorry, but why do I need to go? I don't understand... --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 06:11, 16 September 2007 (BST) Neither do I. There are a few of those crit 12 pages to be processed on A/D (they're a couple of days over due, big woop)... don't see what that has to do with you though... and promotions are up to date. A/SD was the only one getting messy... let me guess, politiking for promotion Axe? >:) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 06:31 16 September 2007 (BST) Probably trying to link to this, which I just did The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 14:43 16 September 2007 (BST) Whew, for 1 second I tought I wasn't loved on this wiki. Then I realized I'm not. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 14:50, 16 September 2007 (BST) Ha! >:) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 14:59 16 September 2007 (BST) Promotion Since it's fairly obvious to me that you aren't going to promote me, I was wondering: what would it take to convince you? --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 09:33, 15 September 2007 (BST) Oh, I'll promote you, if there's overwhelming community support... after all, "democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard" >:) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 00:36 16 September 2007 (BST) There was absolutely no need to rub it in. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 03:00, 16 September 2007 (BST) If you don't want answers, don't ask the questions The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 06:33 16 September 2007 (BST) You know, that's exactly the type of answer I gave people back when I was still abrasive. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 10:37, 16 September 2007 (BST) Re:UDWiki:Administration/Vandal_Banning#Rogue - Clarification So, your stance is that threatening violence against other wiki users is acceptable? --Akule School's in session. 01:24, 14 September 2007 (BST) In this case it wasn't a credible threat to anyone The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 03:54 14 September 2007 (BST) ok,help! boxy, i am over the constant wikidrama. to be honest, i really dont want to deal with the finis shit anymore, hes really, really not worth a second of my time. but for some reason, as a red blooded male, when i see him posting LIES and INSULTS about me and my group ( who happen to be my closest friends in real life) i just cant help but get frustrated, and cut. this is the reason for the constant battling between the BBK and Finis. but now, its sunken to a new low, as he has decided to post lies about us on his page. And not just once, but many many ridiculous links and propaganda. usually, i would find this ok, as i can tell him off with smart words. A talent that he does not yet seem to have a grasp on. except, now he has decided to delete anything that we say, within minutes of us saying it. i really dont want anything to do with him, and i am sick of constantly copping shit with no way of getting back. considering that 99% of what he says on his page are lies, including some of his supposed kills and claiming us all as zergers etc. ( even after we have obtained the password to a character he uses to revive himself with) just wanting to know, can you please tell me what can be done to stop the spread of propaganda and lies about my group and my friends. it really is not in good faith, and is not for the betterment of the wiki. i thought i would come to you rather than start wiki drama. thanks.--MichaelRead 08:51, 6 September 2007 (BST) Your best bet is Arbitration, though not even that will be able to affect what he puts on his own page. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 10:05, 6 September 2007 (BST) so there is nothing at all we can do to prevent lies being spread about us? i think its just time for us to ignore him completely. thanks for your help anyway x--MichaelRead 10:24, 6 September 2007 (BST) The best thing you guys could do is to totally ignore the sonofabitch. The only reason people have to visit his page is to see what's pissing you guys off so much, and it's not like anyone with half a brain is going to believe what he writes there anyway. Not that I expect you'll be able to do it, of course. Other than that, just continue to put your side of the story up in your own space (user or group pages). You can go to arbitration, or a neutral third party, and perhaps negotiate a truce, if finis is willing The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 10:36 6 September 2007 (BST) we've talked it over as a group and decided that it used to be fun warring with him. now it just seems like he is twelve years old, and its not worth it. thanks so much for your help, though. we will just be ignoring him from this time on. our side of the story is up on our page now. thanks heaps--MichaelRead 13:25, 6 September 2007 (BST) Civility and stuff Need input, fast! User:Matthewfarenheit/Sandbox/Civility. Use the page's talk page for discussion ;). --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 08:03, 3 September 2007 (BST) I'll have a look later. Please don't try to rush such a big step through to voting though The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 11:04 3 September 2007 (BST) What's the difference... ...between this page and this one? Tell me if you need a hint =). --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 07:41, 2 September 2007 (BST) Who is this Mobius187 guy?--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 07:46, 2 September 2007 (BST) One lists the member of group "Sysop" and one lists the members of group "checkuser" - it just so happens that all members of Sysop ('cept Mobius187) are also members of "checkuser", so they show up in both lists.--Jorm 08:05, 2 September 2007 (BST) Well, I was trying to friendly point out to Boxy that he forgot to promote Mobius to "checkuser" status... Now it's not funny anymore =(. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 08:43, 2 September 2007 (BST) :) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 09:18 2 September 2007 (BST) You may wish... To check out the Demotions page. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 09:59, 30 August 2007 (BST) Signing I've already talked with Hagnat about this, but has hasn't been on recently and I'd like to begin any actions if necessary. Tom Thumb has been updating many buildings around Malton, which is fine, except he hasn't been signing them properly. You can find all relevant data here and here. As seen, Hagnat has already given him an informal warning that further actions of that sort would be viewed as vandalism, yet he continues. I would begin removing his updates, but I'd rather not begin any drama like that without word from a sysop. What should be done? --Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 01:17, 30 August 2007 (BST) You've given him every opportunity to fix this, and he's been given a viable alternative so that he can sign with the name he wants. Just start reverting his edits if he continues not to give a valid sig... that may give him the incentive to sign. If you're so inclined, take him to A/A or A/VB. (I'm not online much for the next few weeks, if you're looking for someone to handle this, someone else may be a better choice) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 09:43 30 August 2007 (BST) He has continued. As he has been told that continuing such actions could result in his edits being reverted, and he has continued unheeded, I will now begin to undo his edits. No telling where this will go...--Banana reads Scoundrell for all of Yesterday's News, Today! 20:24, 31 August 2007 (BST) Regarding Sockem You didnt warn Sockem when you were required by the rules of the suggestions page to do so. Rule 10 clearly states: Suggestions created entirely for the purpose of satire, insult, or comedy are considered vandalism and treated appropriately by sysops. If you want to post a joke suggestion put it on the Humorous Page. My bold. I have added the warning to his page and Vandal Data. The rules on the matter are quite clear. --The Grimch Sysop-U! 15:56, 28 August 2007 (BST) Wiki civility Boxy, I find myself increasingly annoyed at the lack of civility that is frequently used on the suggestions page. When a suggester sits down and adds a suggestion to the wiki, I feel like each of them have the best intentions for the game. Each player of this game has their own ideas about what's good and what's bad. Even a minority opinion might turn out to be a terrific addition to the game. Seeing suggestions get slammed by insulting users is absolutely no way to repay a person for trying to improve our collective experience. To that end, I'd like to propose to you and other admins of this site to create a policy of civil discourse on the wiki. Too many wiki users have been driven out by this sort of bullying. I'd be happy to discuss it with you further if you like. Sincerely, --8 Bucks 21:16, 23 August 2007 (BST) I don't like it, but feel it's a necessary part of the process. The great majority of "insults" that people get offended by on suggestions pages is aimed not at the individual, but at the idea... there are some pretty awful ideas that come up. I don't want to have to make daily decisions on whether someone's vote, calling a suggestion retarded is not civil enough. There is already a process to remove "troll based votes", and I've considered removing a few over the past week. If it does get out of hand, we have a way of removing the worst of it The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 09:58 25 August 2007 (BST) Promotions again Now it has been Swiers turn to be processed for a while. Have a look at it =). --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 02:58, 23 August 2007 (BST) Player Name Just found a player with this name. "Another Greedy Jew" I think it shouldn't be allowed. Is there a policy? thanks, Baruch --Baruch 05:43, 22 August 2007 (BST) Promotions Check Mobius187 promotion bid, it's already way past 2 weeks old. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 00:47, 15 August 2007 (BST) Kill Citizen X mh, you´r right, I´ve just been to lazy to think about it...but on the other hand, who cares? Is there anybody who´d like to use that particular groupname??????--Wowbagger 14:10, 13 August 2007 (BST) Thats ok, I won´t create any more of these kind of pages....but may I remind you that UD is just a game and the wiki is still an open source. I understand that it is an important task to keep the wiki clean.. but at all costs? Please just don´t kill peoples joy, it´s a game, nothing than a game. Thats all. Good night.--Wowbagger 00:03, 14 August 2007 (BST) Deletion Request So, if Murray Jay Suskind doesn't care what happens to the image, why keep it? --Akule School's in session. 20:23, 6 August 2007 (BST) Yes, I'll be sure to get right on that The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 09:22 7 August 2007 (BST) small mistake you've made here you moved it to the wrong place. location is Merryweather, not Marry... The requested location link i gave in request is still red... Also it would be better to delete superflous pages than create redirects on them... --Duke GarlandTLCD SSZ 09:04, 31 July 2007 (BST) Wrist Slap Hey boxy, I just wanted to ask if you could advise Gregg bayes that he shouldn't be putting his group's template on other groups' wikipages. He has done this twice so far. The first time he did it I chose to ignore/undo it without complaining as I prefer the "turn the other cheek" policy when it comes to first offences... but he did it again. Mind you, I don't consider this serious vandalism, but he should know better. Or be told as much before he does it to a group that really does get peeved by this sort of thing. Basically he added the following templates here and here. Both have since been reverted. --Mobius187 August 12 2007, 8:16 AM (EST) Move Request Hey boxy. I put up a request on A/MR, went through and updated all the places it linked to. Now while the request is still pending, I've got well-meaning folks undoing all the updates. (Yeah, likely my fault for jumping the gun, but I wanted to get the links in before I lost track of them all.) I don't want to be a pest, but could you or another sysop process the page move when you have a spare moment? Thanks in advance. -- Atticus Rex mfu pif Δ 17:08, 30 July 2007 (BST) There ya go The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 01:59 31 July 2007 (BST) Thanks, mon. -- Atticus Rex mfu pif Δ 02:41, 31 July 2007 (BST) My talk page Is it ok to move all my talkpage stuff into my archives?Chill 21:19, 27 July 2007 (BST) Request Hello, I was once the leader of a group in UD and wrote a long and descriptive page on this wiki over a year ago. Unsurprisingly, after our group disbanded and we all went our separate ways, the page was soon deleted. I was wondering if there was someway a Sysop like yourself would be, or know someone who is able to recover the page's text so I can archive it for my personal records. I'm not asking to restore the page or anything, but a log of the text that was there would be nice. Do you think this is possible, or are pages deleted entirely from all archives when they have been removed from the public side of the wiki? Or perhaps it's just been too long and the old archives have been deleted. Any responses, positive or negative, would be much appreciated on my talk page. Thank you. Riktar 22:51, 27 July 2007 (BST) Thanks for the help, Boxy. Just a heads up, I kind of quoted your comment on my talk page, on the undeletions page. I think you made a better argument than I could have, so hopefully if it still exists things should work out. Though, like you said, I doubt it's still in the archives. Thanks again for your help, Boxy. Riktar 06:11, 29 July 2007 (BST) Paradox As a historical group, the page is locked, but since we're back again we would like to have a wiki page again. Doesn't really seem to be a procedure for this kind of thing so I just decided to contact the most active-seeming administrator. --Anonymous4401 19:41, 24 July 2007 (BST) Why Me? No idea what her problem is, but she has issues and I would just prefer this matter resolved before it goes any further. Please rule on this and give her a time-out if you find her to be the party at fault, as I didn't stay with the UD Wiki just so I could be griefed frustrated like this: Vandal_Banning#User:Izumi_Orimoto Also I have a question, Vecusum has stated I posted the vandalism request "in bad faith" because he deemed it an edit conflict. I find this confusing and maybe you can explain this... how is it an edit conflict. I could understand if this was a public suburb wikipage and I wrote "The RRF lost!", and then someone else changed it to "The RRF won!"... and that went back and forth. But the way I see it this is a group wikipage (i.e. private) and the fact that SweetHikari was added to the Black List as a GKer is indesputable. The additional fact that Izumi does not have the authority to edit this wikipage (because she is not a member of the Dulston Alliance) just seems to make it odder still. In no way is her posting on this list defamatory or insulting, it's perfectly factual. Or am I crazy? :P On a side note, feel free to read the discussion between Izumi and myself on my Talk wikipage (first topic under "General"). I think we're just both frustrated right now for different reasons. And you know me, I prefer to resolve these situations without the emotional baggage. I prefer a logical solution. --Mobius187 July 27 2007, 8:22 PM (EST) Montana8 Further to the mistakes and other weird stuff he'd done before he gone a 48 hour ban, I think he's been making other mistakes. Like his journal not in a journal space. And I don't really know what this page is for. I don't really know the ins and outs of what's allowed/appropriate etc, otherwise I'd go through his contributions to find out myself. Sorry to bother you. 'arm. 16:19, 22 July 2007 (BST) He's a pain in the arse... but I don't understand the Lexicon project, so I've been trying to ignore him, mostly ;) -- boxy T Nuts block it! DA 03:22, 23 July 2007 (BST) All hail to the chief You're safe for another six months. congratulations-- Vista  +1  00:51, 16 July 2007 (BST) Eww Boxy... that is all--Wilsonzmb918 08:44, 16 July 2007 (BST) Vandalism concept on this wiki I believe that this concept has, with time, changed for the better. Now we can rule as vandalism what was bad faith but not ruled as vandalism before by the then so called "Moderator staff". I recently stopped on Finis talk page, and saw what User:GomerPyle41 did. I'm not saying that Finis deserved it or not, but that was the biggest streak of vandalism I have seen on the wiki that wasn't ruled as such. It's obvious that the perpetrator just wanted to abuse precedent in order to do what can't be seen otherwise but as a bunch of extremely bad faith edits. And, for what I can read here, he doesn't repent at all... Next time please report such things at Vandal Banning. It's stupid to have another Amazing-Crossman vs. Scinfaxi-GANKBUS drama fest when we can coldly and impartially judge these actions as vandalism. Even if you report them now I'll back you up, but out of respect I won't do it myself this time in order not to step over your head. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 20:42, 14 July 2007 (BST) If they'd have started up again after I unprotected the page, they'd have been straight there... as it is, meh, kids will be kids ;) -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 01:48, 15 July 2007 (BST) Sexylegsread did, He then placed you on their hitlist for being a bad admin as a thank you for your restraint and logged off.-- Vista  +1  02:53, 15 July 2007 (BST) Awww, that's sweet :) -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 03:20, 15 July 2007 (BST) Boxy, You deserve a G*ddamn medal for keeping your cool after all that shit from Sexylegsread & GomerPyle41. I'm happy I wasn't around... Lets just hope they start rehabilitating themselves real quickly because they're starting to resemble single issue vandal accounts right about now...-- Vista  +1  00:49, 15 July 2007 (BST) sigh. vista has what to do with this? its been sorted out. seriously. very hypocritical to say he took all that shit from us, and then to go on accusing us of whatever that net lingo you used meant. seriously, were all over it. yep he handled it well, well done. all besides the blocking us from talking on finis again. he handled it well. the addition to the BBK hit list however, was done by me as a result of much talking on an IM. i just volunteered to be the one to make the changes. dont name names. BBK is a group. so this is over, i have accepted my punishment as you may read on the ban page. i commend boxy for how he kept his cool, and how he handled SOME of the situation. no need for the comment from vista however. dont think ill be back on this page in the near future.--Sexylegsread 04:49, 15 July 2007 (BST) When you act like a clown, others are going to comment. I'll be sure to get the screenshots when your PK group kills my peaceful, survivor character. As for Dead Animal, well he gets a headshot every day, anyway, so you'd better get in line :) -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 07:46, 15 July 2007 (BST) can now talk on finis page again, thankyou to whoever did this. i apologize on behalf of the BBK for anything me and gomerpyle have said that may have been taken as offensive. we never intended on it to be offensive. we just were having a personal spat with finis that didnt need to be taken any further. things will run more smoothly from our end now. --Sexylegsread 07:46, 15 July 2007 (BST) That talk page was locked for all of 20 minutes, while I had a word with you two about what was happening, as can be seen in the page history -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 07:56, 15 July 2007 (BST) pfft youll be off the hitlist when nallan sees it anyways. that was pure frustration and you know it. i wouldnt have the ability to kill anyone anyway, as i said, i am very new to this. i dont want bad blood. this should be the BBK V Finis. the way it was intended. apology for bringing you into it, as i said, i doubt this will happen again. oh and from what ive heard from people, we PK whoever PK us first. maybe i should have put you on a personal hit list instead. nevertheless, im sure you will be removed when our leader gets on and finds out why your on there in the first place. seriously, im so over this all, it was never intended to blow up like this. Finis is a very frustrating person. im blaming it on that. --Sexylegsread 07:51, 15 July 2007 (BST) Hey Boxy, I don't know if you saw this or not so I'm posting it here before adding it to the VB case on Sexylegsread. I undid it but can't do anything more than blanking the page(the edit created GomerPyle41's user page).--karek 02:41, 16 July 2007 (BST) Yes, seen it. They're mates, so not a problem -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 09:12, 16 July 2007 (BST) Sorry Sorry for being a nuisanse but we posted not to be a vandal or anything, and it certainly has nothing to do with you or anyone else on here so with all due respect back off. Finis deserves every hinderance that comes his way and if you knew him you would whole heartedly agree. So we'll stopthe posting everywhere out of respect for the rules of this fine game, but don't think we don't feel violated by your apparent censoring of our right to post freely. SHAZAM!--GomerPyle41 12:57, 14 July 2007 (BST) here here. --Sexylegsread 13:00, 14 July 2007 (BST) Post what you like (within reason) on your own pages, but allow others to decide what gets posted on theirs -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 13:02, 14 July 2007 (BST) fair call. i agree. still hate Finis however. But i agree.--Sexylegsread 13:03, 14 July 2007 (BST) how would they ever see it...oh wait I'VE GOT IT!..i could post something on his page telling him to look at mine....woops nope i can't do that can I. good basic idea, poor execution.--GomerPyle41 13:05, 14 July 2007 (BST) I'm not saying you can't edit his talk page (although if this continues it's on the cards), but once you know he's seen the message, and deleted it, reposting it over and over again is just ridiculous -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 13:07, 14 July 2007 (BST) isnt Finis being alive fairly ridiculous?--Sexylegsread 13:10, 14 July 2007 (BST) Isn't 60 edits to one page in less than 45 minutes ridiculous? Oh, and sorry for adding to this boxy.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 13:11, 14 July 2007 (BST) if he simply stopped trying to be hard and owned up to being told off by the people he constantly calls idiots, despite being one poor effort of a human himself, this would all be avoided. So, maybe telling Finis off for being a jerk is in order? Coz thats what we were trying to do until you defended him, and threatened to ban me. mmm.--Sexylegsread 13:15, 14 July 2007 (BST) How is it ridiculous? the point is to be seen, it's a public forum therefor it is not intended for one set of eyes only, everyone should be allowed to see the opinions and views of each player(explicit material or actual spamming aside). Being denied my right to do so is just basically displaying unneccessary cowardice towards outward opinions. What i don't understand is how this affected anyone in any way besides finis, I and sexylegs. and suicidal angel, what do you have to do with anything? have any of us ever contacted you in the past. stay on your own side and we'll stay on our okay bud. --GomerPyle41 13:19, 14 July 2007 (BST) Look, there are rules around here, and one of them is that users get to decide what content is put on their user, and user talk pages. Get the fuck over it, and stop spamming my talk page you annoying clowns. Finis seems like a jerk to me too... but you two, you really take the cake -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 13:24, 14 July 2007 (BST) sigh. no point in talking to a spastic with their fingers in their ears. whatever.--Sexylegsread 13:28, 14 July 2007 (BST) Do you even know what spamming is you half witted "clown"...we are making valid intelligent points not blatantly posting repititive nonsense by the bucketload that does nothing but clog up your page. This'll be the last post buddy only due to the fact that you are an ignorant inconsiderate dickhead with no respect for those who are not furiously licking his asshole. Ban me if you wish but it would not really matter i won't be posting much for a while SHAZAM!--GomerPyle41 13:36, 14 July 2007 (BST) Thanks god that's over. Obviously there's some conflicting perspectives and ideas here, but let's just try and put this behind us - it's pointless. The issue is resolved. I wanna get back to what's important: killing zeds and killing Finis. And having fun i spose...--Nallan 13:08, 15 July 2007 (BST) Thank You For stopping that stupid crap between those guys.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 12:45, 14 July 2007 (BST) I suspect User:Sexylegsread of being a single purpose account.--Finis Valorum 12:45, 14 July 2007 (BST) OhNoz! And no, that isn't an invitation to bring your crap over here -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 12:52, 14 July 2007 (BST) dont mean to spread any bad blood. its just a thing going on between us. i apologize if it bothered you, and also, i apologize for Finis' childishness in needing to get you to do something about his problems for him.byeee x --Sexylegsread 12:56, 14 July 2007 (BST) {{Wah}} F^&#ing briljant.-- Vista  +1  10:32, 11 July 2007 (BST) Heh, inspired by your rant on VB >:) -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 10:37, 11 July 2007 (BST) Cool template lolz! --JudeMaverick Talk +1 Jobs 14:01, 11 July 2007 (BST) Nice.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 07:30, 13 July 2007 (BST) Request I'd like to get your opinion how to proceed since you are the bureaucrat for the wiki. I brought up a vandal banning case against Gage. Basically, the speedy deletion request was held on the speedy deletions page by Vista pending another sysop's opinion and was not supposed to be voted on. Gage went against the guidelines for speedy deletion (A Speedy Deletion may be circumvented by a single vote of Keep under the request. If this occurs, the system operator shall move the Speedy Deletion request to the Deletion Request Queue, where the normal rules for Deletion of the page shall apply. Further, A user may choose to move a request from the Speedy Deletion queue to the Deletion Request Queue should they feel that the deletion may attract controversy within the wiki community, but do not wish to cast a Keep vote for the request. Should either of these circumstances occur, the deletion candidate should remain in the Deletion Request Queue until the alloted two weeks is up) by moving the request, adding a keep vote, and moved the rest of the text to the discussion page where he put an inflammatory title. Max ruled in Gage's favor, but not only is Max ignoring the whole complaint by only incorrectly addressing one part of the issue, but he deletes any questions I might have on it. Thanks. --Akule School's in session. 09:04, 10 July 2007 (BST) Oh excellent, what a treat to get home to -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 09:11, 10 July 2007 (BST) It was pretty straight forward until Gage moved it. Vista just wanted another sysop's opinion to see that the correct course of action should be that the Copyright Policy should be enforced. However, you will note that not only is Max voting to keep the image, but is also enjoying adding to the drama. I dare say that his ruling smacks of bias and should be stricken and someone impartial come up and look at the vandal request. --Akule School's in session. 09:31, 10 July 2007 (BST) Should never have gone to speedydelete (everyone knows it comes under the "attract controversy" clause). I'd bloody well delete it, but I can see you continuing to stir up the hornets nest of copyrighted images when they're causing no harm to anyone, especially Arby's and the like who get free advertising out of it. No harm, no foul, FFS -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 09:40, 10 July 2007 (BST) Despite the fact that the UD Wiki Copyright Policy that Kevan approved states: "The Urban Dead Wiki prohibits the usage of copyrighted material in anyway way shape or form without the express consent of the original owner of such material. This includes the usage of logos and other forms of intellectual property." and Arby's states: "Trademarks: The Trademarks displayed on the Site are registered and unregistered Trademarks of Arby’s Restaurant Group, Inc. Nothing contained on the Site should be construed as granting, by implication, estoppel or otherwise, any license or right to use any Trademark displayed on the Site, or any license or right to use any other trademark owned by any other third party. In the event that you misuse any Trademark in violation of these Terms and Conditions, Arby’s Restaurant Group, Inc., will aggressively enforce its intellectual property rights to the fullest extent of the law, including the seeking of criminal prosecution.", we're going to keep it anyway, huh? It doesn't matter what any copyright holder says, because it's "free advertising"? Fine. --Akule School's in session. 02:32, 11 July 2007 (BST) "Blah blah blah, (insert using Kevan's name), blah blah copyright blah." Please quit trying to use the wiki as a weapon against people you dislike. You've totally ruined any goodwill the populace as a whole has towards you already; is your weird vendetta with gage or saromu or whoever worth it? Seriously. Go smoke a bowl and play some tetris, man. You need to chill out.--Jorm 03:00, 11 July 2007 (BST) Vandal banning. Please take a look for me at the latest Cyberbob actionhere-- Vista  +1  16:13, 10 July 2007 (BST) I've got a performance review at work comming up that keeps getting cancelled that keeps me on edge. combined with the rather... busy... wiki. is not the best of combination.-- Vista  +1  16:45, 10 July 2007 (BST) Historical Groups Paradox are on the Historical Groups page, yet they have 31 members on stats. And I think this thread on their boards proves that they are returning. So what is the process to be followed here? Just leave them or have them moved from Historical Groups? Thanks in advance. - Whitehouse 16:29, 8 July 2007 (BST) I don't have much to do with the historical section, you'd be better off asking one of the more frequent contributors to that section, or starting a discussion at the bottom of the historical talk page -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 00:08, 9 July 2007 (BST) Me head hurts... JudeMaverick here. Nice talk page anyway. Seems the maddevon guy isn't madkid... It's another person... http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=User:Madkid&action=history . Sorry dude... --JudeMaverick Talk +1 Jobs 09:25, 7 July 2007 (BST) Yeah, was just trying to sort that out myself... appropriate heading! Fark. I think it could be his page, just with a new log-in... or not. Who knows -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 09:28, 7 July 2007 (BST) Don't think so... My detective skills say he's out to spite a small group: http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Army_of_The_People&diff=726286&oldid=649142 . That makes my head hurts... --JudeMaverick Talk +1 Jobs 09:34, 7 July 2007 (BST) I've asked the original author of that page whether those were wanted edits or not -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 10:54, 7 July 2007 (BST) And the answer is? --JudeMaverick Talk +1 Jobs 15:32, 7 July 2007 (BST) Patience, padawan -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 16:12, 7 July 2007 (BST) I can't. The lightsaber is too cool. --JudeMaverick Talk +1 Jobs 09:47, 9 July 2007 (BST) I hate flavor And it should be blamed. Into oblivion. With an Amazing nuke. --User:Axe27/Sig 00:16, 7 July 2007 (BST) Diddums :P -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 01:00, 7 July 2007 (BST) Yeah Im going to go ahead and ask you to not edit my discussion page anymore. I just went ahead and deleted his comment (which was a personal attack anyway) and even though I was in the wrong,what he did wasn't right either. I took it off,even though it's my own discussion page. I dont mess with anyone elses stuff,that is my profile.--Texasxdoom 22:21, 12 June 2007 (BST) Moving my characters So now my characters are connected and I can move from Danny Finn to Buda Hilton - I really like the little command under the user name that does this. The problem I have with what you have done is that my Danny Finn page is now called Buda Hilton/Danny Finn. This looks bloody stupid on Danny's Malton Marshals membership - Buda isn't a member of the Malton Marshals, he's a completely different character and a member of Rotter's Relief. I'd like the name of that page to be changed back to just Danny Finn please. Also, what command do I put in to be able to move from Buda to Danny like I can from Danny to Buda? Please mail me back asap so I can get this sorted. Buda Hilton 16:40. 13th June 2007 (GMT) Thanks for getting back so quickly. I've put the link in which means I can jump between my character quickly - thanks. The reason that Danny Finn comes up on the Malton Marshals page with what looks like a split personality is because of the name you gave his user page - User:Buda Hilton/Danny Finn. Can we give his user page the name 'Danny Finn' by itself with the links between that and Buda Hilton's to show they are connected? Buda Hilton 11:17. 14th June 2007 (GMT) Its not so much my wanting Danny Finn to be moved back, more the nature of the title at the top of page you created - 'User: Buda Hilton/Danny Finn'. Can the title of this page be amended so that it appears to say just 'Danny Finn'? Failing that, is it acceptable to create another wiki account for Danny Finn, transfer his page there and then delete User: Buda Hilton/Danny Finn? If I sound picky it's because these are two different characters with two different 'lives'. Cheers as always for your quick responses. Buda Hilton 13:38. 14/06/07 (GMT) That works fine. Okay my friend, that's all good by me. Everything now works fine and I now know how to link future character's pages to my main one. You've been very helpful indeed. I look forward to healing/reviving you in game at a later date. Buda Hilton 14:25. 14/06/07 (GMT) Thanks For putting my travel-log in the right place. I assume that I can archive other work on my page that way? IE: User_Mrite/Archive Title? I'll certainly do my best to get it right next time, and thank you for being patient with me --Mrite 01:54, 16 June 2007 (BST) Avoiding an edit war Can I point you at this discussion?. I rather take this to a third party than enduring his constant asshateness. My intention is for the Comannounce template to remain on the page, but as Hagnat has worked hard on his new design on the Community portal, he probably took the template off in the first place in order to give it more exposure. I'm one of the (mayority of) guys that never used the community portal, and now I thank Hagnat for its new usefulness, but in no way it replaces the high exposure an announce in the main page can generate. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 23:41, 16 June 2007 (BST) I'm starting to get the feeling that I won't be able to do anything with him around... see?. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 23:45, 16 June 2007 (BST) You're just going to have to put up with it, I'm afraid, and find a way to deal with it long term. I've put Coannounce back on the main page navigation template, and started a discussion on the template talk page, because I want it there. Just take it easy, people are going to disagree at times -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 03:51, 17 June 2007 (BST) Thanks Boxy. I don't care when people disagrees with me, but when that disagreement is (at least partly) motived by some sort of hate towards me is just wrong. You know that you can disagree with me all you want and I'll accept reason 9 out of 10 times, but there's an obvious difference on how you or anyone would express their arguments and this. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 05:23, 17 June 2007 (BST) I suggest you just get over it -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 05:40, 17 June 2007 (BST) Cry much? --Cyberbob U! 04:08, 17 June 2007 (BST) Someone call the whaaaaambulance. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 04:39, 17 June 2007 (BST) Sorry for deleting the comment, for some reason the edit conflict page didn't show up (or maybe I was just careless). --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 05:37, 17 June 2007 (BST) My Bad Yeah, sorry. I got also a bit distracted- 4- page wiki vandal kept screwing wiht my stuff, so I lost track. ---Captain Leah- 02:49, 25 May 2007 (BST) thanks/sorry thanks for all your help with "Four page wiki vandle". i saw him vandalsing and wanted to help so i tried to undo all his vandislm. if i somehow broke any rules or screwed something up, im sorry. --'BPTmz 02:54, 25 May 2007 (BST) This is Culsa. Creating a 2.0 version of my suggestion, and if you could delete the old one, that would be great. I'm still learning the wiki system. Defense I have no problem with that but the only problem i have with it is that the comments I deleted had nothing to do with Urbandead. All it was was two people trying to bully a kid because he said something unintelligent. --Tanner Bivens 04:28, 3 June 2007 (BST) Signing Eh? I thought that putting [[ on one side of my name and ]] on the other was how I was supposed to sign. Also, how is my vote less valid because it wasn't signed in your style? As long as no one is voting twice it dosen't matter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by APerson'sPerson (talk • contribs) at an unknown time. Uh... sure. I'll change what I own. If problems persist, I'll let the big guys handle it. Not to be a jerk, though. I do appreciate the little comment. I'm usually quite friendly... --SgtBop 07:26, 5 June 2007 (BST) Deletion If you want those other character pages moved, rather than just deleted, you can put in requests on A/MR -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 04:46, 17 May 2007 (BST) No thanks, just deletion please. Thank you. --Agent 365 04:48, 17 May 2007 (BST) Alternate account Boxy, I have no intention of using this to commit any vandalous acts (The ones I have done so far have been acts of passion done witout thinking clearly, which I assume full responsibility for.) I have created this account to speak for my zed alt, of the same name as I have here. I don't really want my group members to know that good little girl Izumi has a darker side ^.- Lady Ragnarok 00:21, 15 May 2007 (BST) New Users lol, getting annoyed at the newbie hey? - JedazΣT MC ΞD CT SR: 08:21, 16 May 2007 (GMT) At the moment I'm assuming he either doesn't know how to find his talk page... or doesn't read english. Meh :) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 09:24, 16 May 2007 (BST) Actualy I think it's because he didn't fully read what I said. The main reason for that hunch is because he started using square brackets after I messaged to him rather then HTLM. - JedazΣT MC ΞD CT SR: 08:28, 16 May 2007 (GMT) Drama I understand why you don't really believe me, and you're correct in that I liked to rub things in. Note the word "liked". The thing with Gage was born from a nightmarish combination of extreme tiredness, and an incredibly bad day. I'm being honest about my promise, you know; it would be nice if you could understand that. I seriously don't have the energy to expend on arguing with people anymore. --Cyberbob Sys U! 01:58, 12 May 2007 (BST) I've heard those promises before. With the low level of drama around at the moment, you should have been able to avoid problems altogether -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 04:12, 12 May 2007 (BST) I don't think you quite understand the kind of day I had. My state of mind... well, it wasn't particularly pretty. What will it take to convince you? --Cyberbob Sys U! 04:17, 12 May 2007 (BST) A signed note from yer mum ;) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 04:19, 12 May 2007 (BST) I'm being perfectly serious. --Cyberbob Sys U! 04:19, 12 May 2007 (BST) OK then... then I doubt you can convince me in the short term, and I'm afraid you'll just have to live with it. Sorry -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 04:21, 12 May 2007 (BST) That's a shame. If I were to refrain from making decisions on pages other than, say, Speedy Deletions or Vandal Banning, for about a month, would that be sufficient? --Cyberbob Sys U! 04:29, 12 May 2007 (BST) Thanks Boxy Thanks for policing our site, mate. Seems we aren't that popular in Malton at the moment. The Trot Man Wow... Some random person went and made a user page in the main namespace thingy. And within 2, 2 (!), minutes, it had been moved to the right place! That's...I don't even know what to say. You are...um...efficient!--Lachryma☭ 03:51, 26 April 2007 (BST) The word you are looking for is... creepy ;P -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 03:55, 26 April 2007 (BST) No, that shows an impressive dedication to this wiki. Next you'll be jumping in front of bullets to save Kevan.--Lachryma☭ 03:59, 26 April 2007 (BST) And look, there's another page that needs to be moved! From the SAME GUY!--Lachryma☭ 04:00, 26 April 2007 (BST) Oh, I can keep this up all day (or at least for two more minutes, before I've got to go and actually do something productive) ;) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 04:03, 26 April 2007 (BST) Yeah, then Zombie Slay3r will show up!--Lachryma☭ 04:07, 26 April 2007 (BST) ...and delete all the leftover junk! --T 04:12, 26 April 2007 (BST) Wow, I'm psychic. Or something. I should open up a Wiki-Soothsayer Booth!--Lachryma☭ 05:07, 26 April 2007 (BST) Re-creating groups Apologies-- are you referring to my categorizing of Malton's religions? I followed the links to all religions listed on that page and just added a categorization tag. Some religious pages had no content before I added the tag... If these groups no longer exist, perhaps they should also be deleted from the Religion page? I'd be glad to do that-- what do you think? Buddhagazelle 04:10, 9 April 2007 (BST)Buddhagazelle Done-- I've removed the links and added (defunct) to the group's description on the religion page. Apologies for any inconvenience I've caused. Buddhagazelle 04:38, 9 April 2007 (BST)Buddhagazelle. Squid Boy Thanks for the heads up Boxy on editing pages - I had no idea. Very helpful.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Squid Boy (talk • contribs) at an unknown time. Historical Group Vote I just wanted to ask, as no one has stepped in yet, is the voting completed for this group? I ask because 2 weeks have passed since I cast the first vote (May 15) and it looks like a win (18:5). Personally I think this is a step forward for the wiki, because to be frank, it always bothered me to find so many groups had their wikipages deleted. I mean seriously, why isn't there a middle ground? In some cases where a group isn't important enough to be immortalized I think there should still be a lesser option, like a historical footnote where most of the group's content is deleted, but a 1-3 paragraph historical compilation is created and posted next to their group's old "group information" template. That way you don't end up wiping out all reference to the group and stop the spread of broken links. Or at least that's my 2 cents on the matter. --Mobius187 May 30 2007, 8:39 PM (EST) Yup. I prepped the group wikipage pretty well for this, as I was the only one maintaining it for some time now, so I figured no one would step in to complain. The only real shame is I didn't know the DDDS all that well or I would have written more historical information. Ah well. So, are you going to change the tag informing everyone that voting has ended and the group is officially "historical" or should I? Once that's done I plan to take steps elsewhere to account for the event. --Mobius187 May 30 2007, 6:37 PM (EST) Promotion I'm interested in re-promotion. As I obviously have nothing to prove regarding the amount of work I've performed, what would I need to do to show myself worthy of the job again? --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 14:43, 28 June 2007 (BST) Get the overwhelming support of the community? Make some more improvements to the wiki? Stop wanting it so much? I dunno, but I'll know it when I see it -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 03:02, 29 June 2007 (BST) Stop wanting it so much? Ha! That didn't stop Matt, now did it? Don't be fooled by all of that modest BS. Besides, I'm not in it for the power. I'm in it because I'm slightly bored, and I've noticed a lot of little things go unnoticed by the other admins. Strangely enough, I still care about this place. I'll have a crack at participating in discussions more. I've been meaning to do it anyway, and I figure if I steer well clear of flaming then I might have a chance. --Cyberbob DORIS CGR U! 04:48, 29 June 2007 (BST) Help with the deletion Yes, I would like for you to do that for me. Heh, to be honest, I'm having a little trouble with this deletion business. Thanks again. -- Guarez Award & question / First: Award from for the stylish page /// LFS /// goebi /// for the new layout. i like it :) / And the question: where can i suggest a page for speedy deletion? like this? -- /// goebiTalkHelp/LFS/SR/NT/MWP /// 11:37, 21 June 2007 (BST) i think i got it... -- /// goebiTalkHelp/LFS/SR/NT/MWP /// 11:48, 21 June 2007 (BST) Well you got the right place for ordinary deletions... but that one you linked to here... it's a special case. Bloody weird symbols stuffed something up... I'm ignoring it ;) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 12:40, 21 June 2007 (BST) BTW, you should put the {{speedydelete}} template on pages you nominate -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 12:44, 21 June 2007 (BST) RE:Sig Is it ok now? Also where do I report wiki bugs on the wiki?--ORCACommander GDI-P UDA | CNC Modder 15:03, 28 June 2007 (BST) You never told me where to report bugs with the wiki--ORCACommander GDI-P UDA | CNC Modder 23:09, 2 July 2007 (BST) Congratulations! On your promotion to Bureaucrat. Now it's time to remember who gave you the first push *wink wink, nod nod*. Oh, and Bob is still shown as Bureaucrat. You can make your first of many demotions! =P --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 21:34, 1 April 2007 (BST) Thanks for the push in the back Matt :) On the BobHammero issue, I think the best outcome would be for him to demote himself, or failing that, request a demotion. I can't see anywhere in the guidelines or policy discussions where I'm allowed to summarily demote another Bureaucrat, even if that's what is expected. Is anyone else in contact with him? -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 02:45, 2 April 2007 (BST) Oh, first, I don't think he's going to come back after all this time, and if someone keeps in touch with him they should be either Xoid or Cyberbob IMHO. Second, demotions are only for self requests, so we still need his presence in that way. BTW, I'm just talking about "debureaucrating" him, no total demotion as Xoid did with himself. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 03:19, 2 April 2007 (BST) debureaucrating yourself when turning inactive is the norm. BobHammero failed to do that for some reason. Having to many idle accounts with bureaucrat status around is not particulary smart. You never know if something could happen, (think a password falling into the hands of an annoying younger sibling) and unlike sysops bureaucrats can do damage that only Kevan can repair. If Bob comes back and want his status back thats easily enough to fix.--Vista 09:46, 2 April 2007 (BST) I would like to make the point that Sysops can also do some damage that only Kevan could fix, and get away with it (well most probably, but I'ld have to test it myself to be sure) - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 09:00, 2 April 2007 (GMT) You really need another hobby, Jedaz, rather than inventing new methods of wiki vandalism ;P -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 10:13, 2 April 2007 (BST) Heh, true, however I don't think about it as much as some people might like to think. But it's better to be prepared for the worst then for it to sneek up on you. On the plus side I've never vandalised the wiki, so thats gotta count for something. - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 09:26, 2 April 2007 (GMT) 'Cause it does... that, and the fact that you do excellent 'puter art, still using your pic as wallpaper here, y'know :D -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 10:35, 2 April 2007 (BST) Heh, thanks. I'm glad you still like it =) - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 09:43, 2 April 2007 (GMT) Having finally learned what all that EVIL text stuff was all about I'm sure that that would be true. But I was more talking about the novice stuff a YAB could do...--Vista 10:39, 2 April 2007 (BST) Yep, if you know what pages to target you can take down any wiki. By the way Kevans protection against overloading the wikis parser with templates is no longer active, someone should tell him. - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 09:43, 2 April 2007 (GMT) No clue what that really means (well i do a bit, but you know what I mean). So who would be better suited to tell him but you?--Vista 10:50, 2 April 2007 (BST) I guess so. If you want to see what I mean, or not see, place 4000 templates onto a page and press preview. - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 10:12, 2 April 2007 (GMT) 11:12, 2 April 2007 (BST) That was the bit I understood...--Vista 12:23, 2 April 2007 (BST) Oh, lol, fair enough then. - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 11:36, 2 April 2007 (GMT) Well I've emailed Bob, via the wiki. If that doesn't work by the W/E, I'll contact cyberbob or xoid I guess -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 10:13, 2 April 2007 (BST) You might as well go ahead and do it. Bob hasn't been online in ages, and is unlikely to come on in the near future. --Hubrid Nox Sys WTF U! B! 10:38, 2 April 2007 (BST) Now it's your turn to be the head honcho. well co-head honcho with Darth Sensitive that is. (unless you're quick and demote him before he strikes first, You can always claim it you wanted to target bob...)--Vista 21:37, 1 April 2007 (BST) Wow, congrats! Maybe now you'll finally be able to do all that evil psyop stuff you've been putting off!--Lachryma☭ 21:53, 1 April 2007 (BST) Gratz Boxy, may the many cushy benefits come your way! --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 01:24, 2 April 2007 (BST) Thanks guys, don't really have the time, or the energy for a coup at the moment, let's put it on hold, and strike when they're not lookin' ;) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 02:37, 2 April 2007 (BST) Congrats, heres to a good, stress free run. - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 09:00, 2 April 2007 (GMT) Bob won't come back. Xoid has tried to contact him since 2006 with no success. I don't see a hurry in debureacrKITTIESuting him, though. Also, why do I have to type my signature manually?--Thari TжFedCom is BFI! 10:52, 2 April 2007 (BST) Hey Cool. I don't even post on the wiki anymore besides random people editing my talk page anyway. It's about the game, not the wiki. --SooP 03:49, 3 July 2007 (BST) Multiple Accounts Hi, could you please explain your reasoning behind both the warning on my talk page and your banning of O'Shea2 who you're accusing of being my alt on this Wiki? If you check the IP you will find he's actually someone else but your ban is actually stopping him from voting for Bullgod in the Mayoral election which closes in a few hours. I do have another wiki user and that is Extinction DIA set up for the Extinction group and to handle in-game accusations against Extnction personnel. A quick resolution to this problem would be appreciated as the race for Mayor is rather close at the moment. Cheers mate. --Zeug 15:32, 30 April 2007 (BST) I already checked the IP's before making any decision -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 15:45, 30 April 2007 (BST) Then what is the problem? They should be 2 different IP's within the TPG Australia namespace as we both connect via that ISP, can you please unban him before the election closes. --Zeug 16:33, 30 April 2007 (BST) I'll just take this to the Vandal Banning discussion where it belongs. I'd appreciate sorting this out asap and having O'Shea 2's vote for Bullgod re-instated as I'll be working tomorrow and may not be able to get back in time for election close. --Zeug 17:45, 30 April 2007 (BST) Point is that there is only a single IP between the two accounts, not two different ones. I also checked this myself so now there are 3 person who have checked your IP and came to the same conclusion.--Vista 18:00, 30 April 2007 (BST) Sorry --ZOMBIEKILLCORE 19:12, 2 May 2007 (BST) de/pro/remotion you might remember that while working on the bureaucrat policy I mentioned that I thought sysops should have re-conformations as well. I checked the archive today and found that it's been more then a year ago since I was promoted and that only 4 user out of the 22 that gave their opinion can be considered active. And that's if you take the definition of active loosely. So I thought that now is as good a time as any for a job evaluation. So I'm proposing I go through A/PM again, and depending on the result you either demote me or let me continue run wild and cause havoc. You up for it?--Vista 19:04, 7 May 2007 (BST) You're, of course, free to do that. I figure we should have a formal policy on timing out mod status, and perhaps a maximum term before having to be re-elected. Time to resurrect the idledemotions policy? -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 05:03, 8 May 2007 (BST) Thats partly why I'm doing it. Don't submit to others what you're not willing to do yourself first. And it might be wise to see what the effect of such a policy is, before we go institute it. Good that's settled. I'll go to A/PM later today.--Vista 09:04, 8 May 2007 (BST) Hey - can you weigh in on the demotions page as to Gage's desysop-ation? Thanks! --Darth Sensitive W! 21:25, 10 May 2007 (BST) Next time I have an idea like this? you're allowed to pre-emtively demote & ban me. what a shitstorm it turned out to be.--Vista +1 18:22, 12 May 2007 (BST) Not because of your actions though. Some people just can't help themselves -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 10:25, 13 May 2007 (BST) Actually I fully expected some troubles, but only expected it to hit the fan when I'd started the actual policy. That would have been a lot more manageable. While the whole process might have had the same result, it could have been a lot less explosive if done right. They were two of the most active and productive editors in our history even if they had troubles on the moderating part of our sysop duties. To see them go like this isn't the ending I'd had in mind.--Vista +1 18:34, 13 May 2007 (BST) Hey, you gonna demote me already? or should I wait a while longer?--Vista +1 12:29, 24 May 2007 (BST) Oh, forgot we had all that going on... you needed to stir up a little more drama to keep it in the spotlight :P -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 12:38, 24 May 2007 (BST) What? creating that platform for drama whose mere existance got rid of 2 highly active and productive sysops wasn't enough? You want more? Mmmhm... Well I suppose I could start an arbitration case against dux...--Vista +1 13:02, 24 May 2007 (BST) The general and cyberbob need processing as well.--Vista +1 12:30, 28 May 2007 (BST) Bot Banning Damn Man... somebody airdrop a load on the Wiki or what? good job. Conndrakamod TDHPD CFT 04:40, 16 June 2007 (BST) Awarded for banning a gazillion sleeping adbots :) --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 05:00, 16 June 2007 (BST) Only a bazillion left to go >:) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 06:07, 16 June 2007 (BST) Looks like you had some doubts with some vandal names and saved them for the end, huh? Heh --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 06:00, 17 June 2007 (BST) Yeah, may be a few more turn up too that look like plausible names. But everyone seems to have done a good job spotting the bots when they were active. Only a half a dozen un-reverted vandalism in all that lot! -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 06:03, 17 June 2007 (BST) Promotion It's the 16th today and Matthew needs processing.-- Vista  +1  13:46, 16 June 2007 (BST) "Colourful" Language? Now I know that each group's wikipage is their proverbial castle, and as such, they can slant events however they see fit. I'm fine with that. But after reading some of the comments posted I can't help but feel this is pushing the borders of good taste. What is the official standing of the UD Wiki on such matters? To add insult to injury, these guys have been accused of zerging... very badly I might add. I mean, come on, if you're going to cheat by zerging at least come up with better names. Some people just aren't willing to put in that extra effort. --Mobius187 June 17 2007, 12:17 AM (EST) Well it's their group page, they can put pretty much anything up there. If it's just swearing as in the June 16th-10:01 P.M. entry (I'm not reading through all their crap if I don't have to) then i don't think there's much to worry about -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 05:29, 17 June 2007 (BST) .png Images How's it going? Lately Jarlian and I have been experiencing trouble w/ uploading and viewing .png images, specifically Image:Mpd.png. It might be related to this bug, but I'm not sure. I was wondering if you could check into this. Thanks. --T 17:02, 26 June 2007 (BST) bureaucrat elections I just figured that over two days it's been 3 months since the last election and with the new rules we wrote we didn't figure which of the two bureaucrat positions is up. Since it was your policy would you mind if I started up with your position? You'll get my endorsement :) -- Vista  +1  14:29, 28 June 2007 (BST) I was just looking at the page last night too :) Yeah, that's what I had planned, since I proposed the idea, my position should come up first -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 03:05, 29 June 2007 (BST) Djeez, We'll have to give you a new name, how about landslide Boxnson? -- Vista  +1  10:52, 2 July 2007 (BST) I'm much more annoying in real life, apparently ;) -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 11:16, 2 July 2007 (BST) Vandalism or not? Should I upgrade a group page without permission? I suggested one on their talk page... Just wait?  :) -- /// goebiTalkHelp/LFS/SR/NT/MWP /// 22:05, 2 July 2007 (BST) I'd wait for permission. I see you've left a message on the main guy's talk page. See what happens -- boxy T Nuts2U DA 01:57, 3 July 2007 (BST) Moar .png Images About that again, I've been having trouble uploading any type of .png images. The wiki says that they're corrupt or an error occurred uploading them or something like that. --T 17:10, 5 July 2007 (BST) Uh, never mind. It works now for some reason. So, it looks like you're going to win the b-crat election by quite a LARGE margin. Congrats ahead of time. :) --T 17:17, 5 July 2007 (BST) Delete "User" Hey boxy, I wanted to help point out something that needs to be deleted, namely User:Sgt Hoss Delgado. I created that userpage a long while back (Jan/Feb 2006?) when I was confused with how characters related to the UD Wiki. I had one for Caleb as well, but that one was already found and deleted. So anywho, I've moved the contents to a sub-page of my real userpage and I figured it's time to clean this up. Thanks in advance. --Mobius187 March 30 2007, 7:31 PM (EST) Deleted Um. The reason I deleted what I said is because I was mean to someone and I had posted in an inappropriate place. It was done with good intention.--SporeSore 02:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC) I understand that, it's why I didn't take it to M/VB, and why the moderator was so lenient when someone else did. It's just that you can't go doing that sort of thing without consultation. If you'd have asked one of the members of the group on their user talk page, we probably would have come to an agreement and taken it off. Removing other peoples comments is not allowed, unless there's a specific policy that allows you to do so, especially on their own group talk pages. It's all worked out, just don't do it again -- boxy T L ZS PA DA 02:42, 13 January 2007 (UTC) Inaccuracy I'm not a member of Kraptocracy yet they call me their fearless leader. I'm all for a bit of satire and the page should stay up, but I'd like to keep my name off it.Bangadesh 08:04, 1 January 2007 (UTC) Iluliaq Thanks for the warning, I didn't realize. Iluliaq is my primary character in UD and a group representative, so I've signed off most group-related edits (which is most of my edits) under that name; I've never e.g. voted multiple times under different names. Could you please send me a link to the policy? I poked around but couldn't find it. -- Fingersmith 11:34, 17 September 2006 (BST) Re: Vandalism of the "Angels of Mercy" page Hello Boxy! Just wanted to let you know what's going on with the "Angels of Mercy" page. At least one member of this group is simply out to cause grief to players of the game. This member, TheZombiePimp, has added me twice to their groups page as a "Member" of their group - after I've made it fairly clear on their talk page that I have no desire to be a member of their People Killing group. Just to let you know... TheUncleBob 01:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC) I appreciate that they're giving you grief, but wiping their page is no the way to deal with it. Their group page is theirs alone, you can't mess with it. If they wont agree to take you off thier member list after using their talk page, then arbitration is the place to go -- boxy T L PA DA 01:47, 14 December 2006 (UTC) I agree - group pages belong to members of their groups. And as long as they claim I'm a member of their group, then I get to edit "our" group's page, right?  :) TheUncleBob 01:51, 14 December 2006 (UTC) PMSL, you may have a point there :D (But seriously, no, go to arby if you want your name off their list.) -- boxy T L PA DA 01:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC) Of course I have a point... ;) Anywhoo, I've put in a request for Arbitration on the M/A talk page. Please feel free to stop by and comment. Thanks. TheUncleBob 02:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC) Need an Arbitrator. Read thoroughly before you respond ok so the fact that you boxy can't get your facts straight really pisses me off(appologize for the extreme language) but how about next time you go about accusing someone of doing something you make sure that they in fact did do what you said they did. because if you look at the black knights page neverand i repeat never did i knowingly commit an act of vandalism. As i previously stated in my defense before that at the time i commited vandalism i did so unknowingly of what the act of vandalism constituted i thought at the time that i was helping out. but anyways here why don't i help you next time you decide that i'm RevivalOfTheFittest and not just his well devoted fan. read this and then decide what you make of it here's my edits to the black knights page 1st edit and 2nd edit. and if you look at the second edit you should note that i was merely trying to point the people talking on the main page to the discussion page so that they could respond to what people said to them. then if you take a look at the second edit i merely changed it so that it more closely resembled what was actually happening in the game rather than some slanderous message that i thought was vandalism. On top of that I'm like a huge fan of RevivalOfTheFittest possibly because he spared my life putting several nights of work into hacking down a mob of people with the exception of myself. After that he stayed there and when a few zombie's entered the building he killed them and healed me afterwards. therefore i am eternally grateful. So next time you want to accuse me of something why do you just chop my hands off before you arrest me better yet castrate me for having a friendship with your possible future killer. just so you know i officially hate you boxy have a nice life. oh yeah, forgot to mention that people like you shouldn't be allowed to exist.--Yourmom 02:58, 16 January 2007 (UTC) You officially (no less) hate me, and think I shouldn't exist. Wow, cutting stuff there. Anyway, that is vandalism in itself, as is all the stuff your vandal alt did to their page as well -- boxy T L ZS PA DA 05:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC) Vandal alt what are you talking about?? i'm as confused as a bunch of chickens running around with the head's cut off. ever think your makeing up some more accusations again?? maybe i don't know here just try on my shoes for a time or two maybe you'll understand.oh yeah forgot didn't i mention in the vandal banning page that at the time i didn't know it was vandalism and admited to it totally willing to accept any repercussions for doing so. now how about something that's not old news, cause it seems like your just grave digging to find dirt that ain't there. and as to the alternate i'd sure like to see the proof because it all looks like a bunch of hypathetical BS that you made up.--Yourmom 00:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Go away, boy -- boxy T L ZS PA DA 08:56, 17 January 2007 (UTC) And while your at it, go back to preschool and take some English lessons.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 14:11, 17 January 2007 (UTC) if you were trying to insult me.... i'm still waiting cause it didn't work you lifeless wiki moderators. hey i got an idea go get laid.--Yourmom 18:13, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Moderators and Sysops, or the necessity to be moderate for once Boxy! I think you may be interested in this. I'm looking for unbiased guys inputs before I bring such a monster to Policy Discussion. Use the discussion page of that same page to say whatever you want, and if you can make any gramatic corrections that you see fit on the text, by all means do it, as I'm terrible writing in English. Thanks! --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 23:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC) He sure is nice and willing to take part in discussion. Yeah sure, the first paragraph might've been a bit toasty. Understandably, I was a bit pissed when he insulted me, my friends and my integrity. But still it got removed as flaming. Nevermind the fact that his numerous diatribes on the page contain more bile in their first sentence than my single paragraph did. Of course I then remove the offending paragraph in the hopes he will actually read it this time, but he considers that to be more flaming. Read it if you care to, don't if you do not. Just bear in mind that this is the guy trying to make out like we are the fascists. He also seems quite content to start a discussion in one place and then remove my comments on the basis of their being off-topic. Effectively leaving me unable to reply to his scathing, yet incorrect criticism. –Xoid M•T•FU! 15:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Yes indeed. Definitely not a good look, at all -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 15:16, 29 January 2007 (UTC) Vinetown or Vandalism? I saw these edits on the Vinetown page and want to get your opinion of them. They kind of look like vandalism, but also like a newbie error. -- 16:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC) I'd say it was a newby mistake. only two edits with easily repared damage. I'll leave him a message--Vista 17:09, 16 March 2007 (UTC) Ok, thanks Vista. -- 16:08, 17 March 2007 (UTC) Promotion Thanks for archiving my promotion - about time somebody did it! --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 02:04, 11 March 2007 (UTC) La Revolucion/Song As the author of this song I would like to strongly protest its move without my permission. I do not consent to having my song being associated as a subpage of this group and would like to request that it be returned to its original location. --Specialist290♠ 02:18, 9 March 2007 (UTC) Yeah, that'll work. I don't mean to impose, but while you're at it, could you also move the other songs as subpages of my User page as well? I kinda like to maintain uniformity in that sort of thing... Anyway, I'm glad we could get this worked out diplomatically :) --Specialist290♠ 02:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC) Will do. --Specialist290♠ 02:33, 9 March 2007 (UTC) Not a problem. I'm willing to be reasonable when the other guy is as well. One last request (a tiny one)--can you change the name of User:Specialist290/Barricade Song to User:Specialist290/Barricade? Now that it's a subpage of my user page, the "song" bit is kinda redundant... --Specialist290♠ 02:40, 9 March 2007 (UTC) Vote "Likes to jump in boots and all, even in situations that need careful consideration." Like...? Cyberbob  Talk  07:25, 31 July 2006 (BST) I've answered over there --  boxy  TtaMe  ~~~~~ 14:25, 31 July 2006 (BST) Your Opinion Do you think that for me it would be worth applying for a Sysop position? Or would I get shot down, because of some reason? I fulfill all of the criteria. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 12:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Um, I would abstain at the moment, but that's not having checked your contribution history or anything. I haven't seen you under pressure, is all. But you do do good wiki work. If I was you, I wouldn't be asking me though, lol. I'm not part of any mega group, or have any UD forum following -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 12:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC) A/SD Please... When you vote keep on a criterion 12, or any other page on M/SD, please move it to M/D. It would make my life sooo much easier if you would, okay? Thanks, --Gage 23:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC) Congratulations! You made it to Sysop status! Now you HAVE to rule on everything that has my name on it =P. Nah! Just do as usual, and everything will be fine, you good-faith well-greased machine! To get you promoted for my birthday (bah, the day after) was unexpected, but a really good in-wiki gift anyways. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 16:59, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Well voting has finished, and the bid's been archived anyway. No poisoned chalice has been handed over yet :P -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 22:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Hey! I saw that Xoid got the archive created himself here and automatically tought that he promoted you! It's not like you didn't get an unanimous VOUCH from the community. He better wakes up soon! =P --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 23:02, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Hey, it's all part of the conspiracy! (Seriously, the bid is just to gauge community feelings, the decision is made else where (in smoky back rooms!), or at least that's my understanding of it. Don't get so excited -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 23:09, 2 February 2007 (UTC) I know. As it says on the Promotions page "the Bureaucrat will review the community discussion and make a decision based upon it". I interpret this as gauging how valid individual vouchs and concerns are and making a decission based on this. Anyways, I do not think that Xoid is even thinking on droping your bid as "unsuccessfull", and even the archive that was made for your bid states that it was successful (look at Category:Successful Promotions Candidacies). I'm just wondering if he forgot or he got his hand chopped off just when he was about to change your status to Psyop by a Jason-like serial killer. Not too many options, right? --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 23:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC) Xoid was experiencing problems connecting to the wiki, so I had to give him a hand with some archiving stuff. He'll get around to it when he comes back on, I'm sure (if he doesn't, I'll remind him). --Hubrid Nox Mod WTF U! B! 03:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Yup. I waited over two hours for connectivity to come back, and nothing. It was 6AM, and I needed sleep. All done now, though. –Xoid M•T•FU! 05:29, 3 February 2007 (UTC) No worries. Thanks... umm, I think ;-) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 05:49, 3 February 2007 (UTC) Indeed, congratulations boxy! We will all benefit from your help. --Max Grivas JG / M.F.T. 20:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC) I hope so :) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 00:55, 4 February 2007 (UTC) Warn 'im You're a mod and stuff, so look at User:Plinker's contribs. The locations are all propaganda for his group, nothing handy. Being a location nut, I thought you'd like to know. --Cap'n Silly T/W/P/C 10:43, 8 February 2007 (UTC) M/VB dude. But I'll take a look -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 10:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC) Oh, OK. Not really vandal banning stuff... I'll have a word, and if that doesn't work maybe Arbitration would be in order. Thanks -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 10:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC) Anytime. --Cap'n Silly T/W/P/C 10:51, 8 February 2007 (UTC) That's great. Remind me to make friends with a moderator so he can enforce my personal desires as well. Did we eat your favorite PC Cap'n? Or are you in the DEM?--Not A Character 17:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC) Changing documents Hey, considering that you seem to be the most recently active Sysop would you mind changing Template:M/SD_Intro, UDWiki:Administration/Demotions, and UDWiki:Administration/Discussion as per this policy? They happened to be locked so I couldn't change them myself. Thanks in advanced. - JedazΣT MC ΞD GIS S! 07:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Yep, I'll have a look -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 07:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Guidelines There's still a big chunk of text that remains of what Gage added, as it can be illustarted by this diff link. Could you please remove it? Thanks! --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 09:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC) If I thought he was overstepping the mark I would have removed it. However the addition seems to consist of nothing but uncontested facts, simply stating the powers of, and the differences between, sysops and bureaucrats. Convince me that it is misleading, or attempts to change policy without consultation and I'll reconsider -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 10:05, 14 February 2007 (UTC) I'm asking you to so it in order to mantain consistency in the misconduct's case final ruling. Max clearly states that tough not misconduct, the changes to be made in the guidelines are the ones stated by the new policy and these alone. I'm not trolling you here, I'm asking the guy that is most likely to take this as a legit request from a concerned user. The added section may be not misleading, at least a first sight, but it still overstepping his place as Gage was not entitled by the community to add whole sections to the guideline's text. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 10:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC) I know you're not trying to troll me, I'm not annoyed. But as far as I'm concerned, the policy change in question was designed to make the distinction between the usual idea of what a moderator is and what we have here, which are sysop/bureaucrats. That new was necessary to do that, and now that it refers to sysops rather than admin, it fits the policy change, IMO -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 11:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC) A/PM Now I know that my bid failed... I accept that. However, what irritates me is that the current Bureaucrats (read: Xoid) are slow and ponderous to getting things done, and are losing interest in Urban Dead. I honestly think that most of the older generation of users have died out, and have not been generally replaced by anybody new. Heck, probably half to two thirds of the Sysop users are not very active, with weeks in between edits. I also feel that my bid was not handled in a bad fashion. You passed through, sure - however, you a are a known member of the community. Because I was relatively unknown at the time of my bid, most people abstained. This dragged it on.... and on.... and on.... and I had to badger many people for things to be done and cycled. Heck, I even had to correct a few users on the counting of my votes - have a look at my archive. Now the guidelines for processing the candidates on the A/PM page are not very clear, which I have expressed below my section. Also, just have a look at the first vote, and the final one - a gap of about 2 and a half months. Can I bid again? I feel a little hard-done by because some people did not do what they should have done in the appropriate time frame. I understand that my first bid has failed, however most people voted abstain for me - I believe that I tried too early. Even Xoid has said "I'm not too happy about that [it failed]... Dux is a stand-up guy, by my recollection". When is the next time I can stand for promotion again? Do I have to wait some time, or can I never try again? If you could leave your reply on my talk page, that would be great thanks. --Ducis DuxSlothTalk 06:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC) Malton YMCA This group was created by Goldbuddha, basically to grief members of the Necronauts (which is his favourite hobby). All the members listed at Malton YMCA are actually members of the Necronauts, and have nothing to do with Malton YMCA, which (if you check the edits) was created solely by Goldbuddha. I don't know if this counts as impersonation, or comes under some other vandalism rule. I don't really care. I just wanted to let you know, because your conversation in Speedy Deletions about the copycat group pages that Goldbuddha created seemed to indicate that you thought Malton YMCA, and the members listed on it, were genuine. If you look at the names he's given to the members of the Necronauts (on the Malton YMCA page), you'll note that he's basically saying that we're all gay (in the modern, insulting sense). Not something I find insulting, personally, because I'm not a bigot, but I'm not blind to the fact that he is. --Funt Solo 22:39, 18 March 2007 (UTC) Criterion 12 Mistake Hi, I just realized that I accidentally put up a new group for speedy deletion. It came to my attention after looking at the group's history page after Atticus stated that it was not that old. I think that I misread the last edit times as Jan. 2006 instead of 2007 somehow. I know that the proper course is to move it to deletions upon which it will be voted. Since I posted it and realized my mistake, can I just delete it from the queue? Oh, I forgot to say congrads on the sysop status. -- 16:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC) Huh? What's up with this? --Hubrid Nox Mod WTF U! B! 14:13, 11 February 2007 (UTC) Yeah, a slip of the button. I put it back, with apologies -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 14:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC) No worries. --Hubrid Nox Mod WTF U! B! 14:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC) How do I file an arbitration case? I saw the guidlines, but I do not know where to put it. Tryce of Thunder 00:51, 12 February 2007 (UTC) I started it for you, here, feel free to put your case forward, and call for an arbiter. Probably a good idea to notify the group, or even the individual who named you guys as allies, of the existence of the case -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 01:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC) Mod stuffs Hey, could you change the Recent changes text so it links to Admin things instead of moderation?--Lachryma☭ 01:33, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Done, thanks for pointing it out -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 01:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Yeah, no problem. Hey, what happened to the community announcement template? Why'd Hagnat take it off the main page? Is it *gasp!* a mod conspiracy?!--Lachryma☭ 01:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Sure to be something evil in the offing!!!!one1 Um, can't say I noticed, don't visit the main page all that often -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 01:50, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Oh, well, I saw it on Recent Changes (it's like a TV show!) Anyway, how come the Mod Conspiracy page hasn't been updated in a while? That's been funny as feth to read, and y'all have plenty of material recently (Gage putting pornographic images on his page, Hagnat depriving everybody of the critical info of the community update template, other evil stuff going on...) so I've been missing that...--Lachryma☭ 02:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Hagnat explained his reasoning on his talk page, the main page is supposed to be for occasional visitors, he put the announcements template on a community page, somewhere... maybe a more prominent link to at page, on the main page, is in order... They bought me off with a promotion, didn't'cha hear? ;) Damn, I missed that juicy bit of scandal... **toddles off to find the low down on it** -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 02:31, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Whatever. It's obviously a scheme by the man to keep regular wiki people ignorant and thus malleable. And I thought you would keep writing the Mod stuff, but as an insider this time! Or you could mock yourself! Anyway, what scandal did you wander off to find? Gage's? I'm offended by it, you can quote me on that!--Lachryma☭ 02:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC) *fapfapfapfap*... what??--Gage 02:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC) I'm also offended by "fap"ing sounds.--Lachryma☭ 02:56, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Oi, back to yer own page with that, it's NSFW, lol -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 02:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC) You should be writing for the Mod Con Lach! I'll get back to it sometime, I guess. Just been a bit busy working out what I can, cant and shouldn't do with the new buttons lately -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 02:59, 14 February 2007 (UTC) So I have your permission to add something to the Mod Conspiracy? Is that what you're saying? Or this some sick practical joke?--Lachryma☭ 03:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Well Jedaz is the leader of Mod Con, but he's always been more than happy for anyone to contribute (as long as they keep to the character of the page) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 03:14, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Okay, I added an article. You can remove if you don't like it (I'd accuse you of using your evil mod powers of course).--Lachryma☭ 03:28, 14 February 2007 (UTC) Hey, thanks for adding that link and image to my frighteningly perceptive expose on mods. I vaguely remember Gage getting all puritanical about something, but I had forgotten that it was Mr.A's images. Oh, and I'll always think of you as looking like that image you uploaded!--Lachryma☭ 05:03, 14 February 2007 (UTC) That shaving bit cracked me up :) Don't forget to add yourself to the member list -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 07:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC) That was Gage...and it was his sociological ramblings that got me. But I added myself to the list. Do I get some sort of tin foil hat now?--Lachryma☭ 14:20, 14 February 2007 (UTC) blah Whisker Biscuit recreated User:Guy in a Bunny Suit after you moved it to his page. --Cap'n Silly T/W/P/C 21:33, 16 February 2007 (UTC) Okey dokey then. --Cap'n Silly T/W/P/C 05:52, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Dude, what are you the local 6 year old tattle-tale? Waaaah! Mr Moderator this guy is doing something bad!! WaaaahhhH!! Waaaahhh!! Get a life dude.--Not A Character 14:38, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Still upset that I insisted you guys put actual location information on location pages NaC? -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 00:52, 18 February 2007 (UTC) {{Comannounce}} I made a new one that fits better with the other tables on the {{Navigation}} template. You may want to take a look at it, it's in the same subpage of my sandbox. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 08:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC) Ok, I'll implement it. If you're wondering why I responded so late, it's because I was lost in the Middle Ages. It happens every other week in Argentina, you should ask Thari what I mean =P. --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 03:33, 18 February 2007 (UTC) Angry Gnome I don't think that's a userpage in the wrong place. It was written for The Malton Chronicles. --Cap'n Silly T/W/P/C 11:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC) Bugger, I usually check the "what links here" too! Better put it back again hadn't I. Thanks for keeping an eye on me -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 11:13, 19 February 2007 (UTC) Hope I don't become too whingey, eh? :P --Cap'n Silly T/W/P/C 11:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC) Ah, it's alright, whinging about the mods psyops is allowed ;) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 11:38, 19 February 2007 (UTC) Removal of an entry from a page Hi Boxy, I wasn't sure where to put this - It's kind of a deletion request, but not for a whole page? Anyway, I saw that you had dealt with the other similar example of this and felt you might be the best person to ask about it. Can I remove This Section. It's blatantly in the wrong place. Cheers, –Ray Vern phz •T 12:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC) Yeah, you could have (although I have now). As long as you're acting in good faith, to improve the wiki, you can remove errors that other users make, especially when it's an obvious one like that. You have as much right to do it as any of the sysops in fact. Personally, I'd avoid doing it if you were personally involved in the dispute, and instead bring it to an impartial party for attention (but that's just me) -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 13:00, 5 March 2007 (UTC) Thanks for that. It was probably safer for me to bring to your attention then, as I've been partially involved in some of the dispute - only the wiki side of it mind (vandal reporting), but enough to make me cautious about removing things without some kind of ass-covering maneuver first *8-). Cheers, –Ray Vern phz •T 13:05, 5 March 2007 (UTC) Thanks for letting me know it was there, I missed it altogether when I moved it from the vandal report space earlier. I've no idea who's killing who unjustifiably myself... not that it matters -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 13:12, 5 March 2007 (UTC) New Criterion for Speedy Deletion Voting passed for that policy some days ago. Could you "process" it? thanks! --Matthew Fahrenheit YRC☺T☺+1 21:56, 6 March 2007 (UTC) Please I'm trying to clean up my image, so can you please try and start looking for positive motives etc. in my comments & actions, rather than (as was previously justified) negative ones? --Hubrid Nox Sys WTF U! B! 10:51, 26 March 2007 (BST) I understand that you're making an effort, and it's appreciated. But I call it like I see it... however I did deliberately qualify it with "seemingly" -- boxy T L ZS Nuts2U DA 11:01, 26 March 2007 (BST) You know as well as I how much weight something like that "seemingly" really carries. --Hubrid Nox Sys WTF U! B! 11:06, 26 March 2007 (BST) Vandalism? I wanted to hear your thoughts on this report I made. I admit, I had hoped never to have to issue a report on someone, but I felt that my hands were tied as the user continued to ignore my advice and continued to vandalize/slander another group of players. See for yourself and tell me what you think in your expert opinion: Vandal Banning - Gaybait I just hope that, if he is warned, that he takes it to heart and mediates the problem in a better way. --Mobius187 March 27 2007, 5:29 PM (EST)