User talk:Mobius187/Archive

This is where topics end up after they are either too old or in order to make room for newer content on the Discussion wikipage. After all, I can't have the Discussion wikipage exceeding its maximum recommended size...

OLD Generic Topics

This is where all the random topics ended up... ones that didn't fit neatly under one of my many awesome headers. Of course these topics are all old ones... so feel free to read them or take a nap. Either way you'll learn just about the same amount about me through either method. Uh, enjoy!

Roachtown and ALiM

Roachtown has been voted to be added to the list of Amusing Locations in Malton, usual practice states that the ALiM template should be added to such locations. Since Roachtown is a suburb page we feel that consultation with residents of the suburb should be undertaken prior to adding the template to see if people support/object to its addition. Seeing as you're quite active in Roachtown's wiki page history, please comment on the Roachtown talk page/my talk page/on the ALiM talk page with your views. Thanks!--Nick 06:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Reporting Back for NecroWatch Duty and Queries about Ghost Recon

As I've stated in the Talk page for the organization, I've started playing UD again after a two-week hiatus. Unfortunately, I'm sick, so I'm not really up to the hassle of cropping NecroNet scans out of PrtSc images then uploading them. I've resorted to posting links to the Iwitness reports of the scans I've done at Whittenside.

Someone changed the danger level of Whittenside into a Ghost Town. It clearly is not, as shown in my scans of the past couple of days. I don't think the person who changed the danger level for the suburb remembers the fact that the zed population has to be low and disorganized for that scenario to take place. There's plenty of zombies ganging up on the newly-set up safehouses of survivors sneaking into the suburb to fix it.

Anyways, despite the mistaken change in suburb danger level, do I qualify for the Ghost Recon ribbon? --The Masked Lurker 07:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

I would have to rule that yes, you do meet the requirements for the Ghost Recon badge. After all, the badge is meant to help identify the correct/current status of any suburb marked as a Ghost Town. Don't forget though, the unspoken rule is that if you prove a suburb is not a Ghost Town you should follow-up by changing its danger level to one more appropriate to what the scans proved it to be, thus eliminating the mistaken perception. Thus the end result of your recon resolved the issue of an inappropriate danger level (i.e. not a ghost town). --Mobius187 13:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

NecroWatch

How come your NecroWatch pics contain black squares? --Memoman 18:13, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

That depends on who reports them. None of the scans I post/upload are actually mine (I'm retired from UD), rather they are reported to me via NecroWatch by someone else and I help by uploading them. It frees up people who just want to hand over an iWitness link and not have to worry about the work related to getting it posted. I don't mind doing the work if it helps share scans with everyone (I'm one of the helpful sort in UD). You can of course refer to the name of the person I reported the scan for if you want to follow-up with them (I sign in their name, as it's their scan and they get all the credit for it). --Mobius187 18:18, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

NecroNet scans on iWitness contain black squares instead of pictures for streets blocks. you may think of this as an iWitness bug. or feature --~~~~ [talk] 21:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I always had a sneaking suspicion it had to do with unpowered buildings, but I suppose if that were true a recent scan from Clewett NT probably would have been a big black block. So I'll go with it being an unwanted feature. --Mobius187 12:45, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Skritz necrowatch

Uhm, its not my fault, i have problem with the wiki...XD --Skritz

If you want, I can help explain anything you need. What exactly are you having troubles with? --Mobius187 12:54, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Raines Hills Problems

I'm finally finished with both Millen Hills and Raines Hills tours of duty. last 2 NTs took a damn lot of time, including dying few times, as you already know... Also i was even first in the Morgane, it still had "missing" static in the NecroWatch plug. Thus i'm first to complete raines hills tour of duty. woo! --~~~~ [talk] 13:53, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Your choice in topic title had me worried there for a moment. I think "Victory over Raines Hills" would have been more fitting ;). Congrats on earning those ribbon medals and keep up the good work. :) --Mobius187 17:06, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Neutral Point Of View

Alright. In the interest of not being a complete and utter hypocrite when asking folks like Iggles and Vachon Blaze to maintain NPOV I'm launching a personal campaign to attempt to iron out the point-of-view kinks in the Dulston information pages. My own personal bias needs a cleansing as well, but I'm primarily doing this in an attempt to keep the zombie bragging down to a minimum (it may also be because my own group seems to be breaking up around me).

Obviously, this is not going to be an easy endeavour. Therefore I am requesting to enlist your aid in flattening the viewpoint in the Dulston article, the Treweeke article, and whichever other ones seem particularly suspect, as I am highly suspicious of my own ability to sense the lower levels of bias.

I'm not asking for a complete sandblasting of backstory and angle, mind- just trying to lower the mound a little. --Boris 18:50, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Well I'll see what I can do. Anyone can play the NPOV card if anything but facts are presented. That's why in most cases people keep NPOV comments to their own group wikipage (for serious NPOV/propaganda). Facts should speak for themselves, whether you like it or not. The only real way to get any NPOV into suburb news is by the "give 'n get" system. You pump out pro-survivor news, say, and then at the same time tip your hat by balancing it with pro-zombie news. So long as both sides are happy no one tends to complain. The moment a complaint is lodged then you're dealing with potential NPOV (of course that again depends on how far the news post strays from the facts).

One final note. If you are offended by any public news you have the right to move it to the suburb Talk wikipage and put a note mentioning that fact. I saw it happen in Pitneybank a lot of times, not to mention all the other suburbs I archive news for, it happens in lots of places depending on the degree of news bias. --Mobius187 22:15, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: Are you referring to the news Iggles posted for February 8th? If so, then I'm afraid you shall have to bite the bullet. I see nothing wrong with posting facts as he did. His speculation, that the mall is doomed... well, I hate to admit it but it seems very likely. Now you may not like that he's revealing survivor numbers, but there is no rule to state zombies can't post those numbers. Sure, it's frowned upon as "zombie spying", but there is nothing the UD Wiki has against it. I know, I read a past complaint about this. I checked my other Watch wikipage... and I haven't seen anything posted by Vachon Blaze... so I'm not sure what he posted that has offended you. Unless it's on the Infected Swarm wikipage, in which case he's free to post whatever news he likes there. --Mobius187 22:20, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I really shouldn't have brought Vachon into this. He really got under my skin back when the Swarm was rampaging over the suburb in December and I suppose it's stuck with me. Like I said, I'm well aware that I'm not without bias myself, and that I'm not always aware of when that Bias takes chance to crop up, which is why I came asking for help.

But! If no POV is to be found then I suppose the only one is myself (and I do need to work on that in the future). So I suppose it'd be best to just disregard all this. --Boris 23:44, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Uhm, Mobius, you're wrong. NPOV doesn't means content-less it means not doing junk like the "give and get" system. Please take a nice jaunt through both the NPOV talk page and UDWiki:Style Guide. As far as NPOV goes, as long as you aren't using Is or presenting things in an extremely slanted and biased manner it's usually let slide. --Karek^maps?! 01:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Clewett

Hmm.... I was hoping to post up my own scan from the Clewett facility, but noted you just posted up N00berts. Wouldn't really want to duplicate his scan... but I have the remaining 11 necessary to finish up my work. :-) Rhodenbank, Dulston, and Pescodside NT facilities. Shall I wait a few hours and then post a new scan from Clewett? --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 22:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

That's the best course of action. If pressed for time wait at least 1 hour and then scan. An hour might show some changes... maybe. --Mobius187 22:10, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'll wait a bit anyway, as I'm in the area... still debating which building to finish the 150 at. The Fortress of Science, or my home at Clewett. :-) Maybe I'll try that new type of Coca Cola they invented and think on that for a while. --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 22:07, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Drink? Don't you sno-ah yes. Drink. Right. Keep up the good work. ;) --Mobius187 22:15, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm a Coke addict now. :-) The scientists at Clewett did a good job. Anywho... I submit, for your approval, 150 scans to the Necrowatch program. Also, I noted that the program has found scans for 89.81% of all NT facilities in Malton. Only 21 more remain unclaimed. We're doing quite well, I believe. --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 01:52, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I hope you don't mind, but I numbered your entries, so now I can certainly see you have the requested 150 scans. Congrats! :D --Mobius187 02:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for numbering my scans. :-) I fixed the Bridgman issue... sorry about the mixup, I was probably half-asleep doing some wiki-editing. Anywho... things should be completely legitimate now. --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 23:46, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Mistake

Sorry it was a mistake was getting them to put on our hit list will you please correct it for me, was half asleep when I was working on the wiki if you dont I will try to fix it later thanks--Vachon Blaze 14:50, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

New ribbon idea

i was thing about replacement for ghost recon and here's what came to my mind. i want there to be a dangerous ribbon. but what can count as dengerous if limit to not refering other sources? the numbers in the scans themselves! a ribbon would be earned for a scan with some minimum number of specimen on it. --~~~~ [talk] 21:36, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

p.s. this is how i keep a track of my recon progress. it also helps to plan the path a lot! --~~~~ [talk] 22:16, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I spotted that little change to the member's list entry for yourself. Back to your point, I agree that your idea for a ribbon is solid. Even so, I think the original idea behind the Ghost Recon ribbon was meaningful, namely monitoring ghost town suburbs. What I need to do is retrict access to the ribbon, perhaps by imposing a 7-day wait period between claims (i.e. scans must be reported at least 7 days after the last set of scans) and require that should the scans prove the suburb is not a ghost town that the member update the suburb accordingly. Of course I do still like your idea and I've actually added it to my list of "new" ribbons. Yes, I had some in the works to help you guys feed your ever-growing hunger for medals. Your medal idea will be released alongside 2 other new medals. That said, I think that the guideline for the medal you suggested (which I'm tentatively naming the "Combat Recon" medal) would be "a scan with at least 150 zombies at one location, or 250 zombies (total) within the scan's range". After all, that meets the requirement for a Very Dangerous suburb, but at the same time allows for them to be scattered a bit depending on when the scan is taken. --Mobius187 00:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

SW Recon Master

I uploaded the last few scans necessary from Nixbank, New Arkham, Williamsville, and Buttonville today to qualify for SW Recon, or at least I believe. Any chance you could verify the truth of that? Also... I realize how we can have a reasonably flawless way of keeping track, even without having to sign on the Recon page, and with our outdated images having to be deleted per Sysop duties. :-) Each user's contributions page should keep a log, like my roughly 400 edits since January 1st, on my own Page. Even if the old images are deleted the contribution will still be logged as a permanent record. Of course, knowing you, the power of science probably already made you aware of that. Cheers! --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 18:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

That's also my way of saying... about 48 scans from now, I'll update the signatue page. :-) Gotta have some of that cake first. --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 02:09, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm a man set in my ways ;). I've analyzed the suburb reports against the NT Recon list and it appeared like you almost missed The Nevill Building in Kinch Heights. Then, being the kind of guy I am, I took a closer look at the image timestamp itself. You know, it's one thing not to sign for your first-time scans in the NT Recon wikipage, but an entirely different matter when you forget to sign/timestamp your updated scan image :P. Don't worry though, I signed it for you and timestamped it based on the time you uploaded the image. That said, I have confirmed that you have posted scans for every NT facility in SW Malton, and thus you have earned the SW Recon Master badge. Congrats. :) --Mobius187 03:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you most kindly. :-) My apologies for failing to sign the scan. Guess the hours at my new job have left me a little worn out. Thanks for being immensely patient during the whole Necrowatch process thus far. ----Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 03:07, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

No prob. --Mobius187 12:50, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Generators and ruins

Nothing can stop you from placing generator in a ruined or ransacked building and refueling it. I actually made quite a lot of scans from ruined buildings that only had zombie population "guarding" ruin. powering ruin is specially good tactics as light is not shown on minimap (building looks like any other ruin) but boosts search rates to about those for normal unpowered building. some examples can be seen here Search Odds/Police Department Data and here Search Odds/Necrotech Building Data, look for the rows that have LR status. So what i'm saying is that scans don't give even nearly enough information to figure the danger level for the building, you don't know statuses: neither "ruined" (y/n), nor "barricaded" (level) nor survivor population inside. p.s. i had no idea you're not playing yourself O_O --~~~~ [talk] 17:42, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Heh. I used to play UD, but then I "retired". My most famous character was Caleb Usher, so I still use his name when playing/posting in-character. This should also explain why you and the other NecroWatch members are so important to the project I started. Without you guys I would be forced to rely on outdated iWitness reports, and that's hardly conducive to what we really need. Anyway, thanks for the information. I'll leave status updates to those of you still in the field. ;) --Mobius187 17:52, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Work

If you insist on remaining a sysop, you may as well clean up the horrific mess your pet project has made. Go through Category:Necronet and purge all the non current revisions older than 7 days from them, as per A/G Scheduled deletions point 2. Each revision is only about 5-10kb, but they really pile up. Ive made a start for you. Edit: in a fit of spiteful helpfulness, ive gone and purged all the old revisions for you that are due up to today, killing maybe 200 MB of crap out. There are a whole pile that come due tomorrow though. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 16:39, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to do that. Would it be possible for me to move through all of the scan images and delete all past revisions of those images ahead of schedule (i.e. sooner than the mentioned 7 days since last linked)? Obviously the only significance of retaining the past scan revisions would have been to serve as historical footnotes, but as they are eating up server space I see no reason not to delete them all prompty (as in as soon as I notice and have the time). That way I could manage them without creating a possible scenario where the image/workload piles up unnecessarily. Of course I will not act on this until I hear some response from you on the matter (yay or nay), except for the images that are scheduled for deletion tomorrow. --Mobius187 18:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Stick to the rules. Its safer that way. If you want an exception, go to policy discussion. Also, i think you have the necrowatch scans in their own category. I didnt go through that particular one. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 06:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll take your advice. And yes, the scan images were placed their own category after I had a discussion (of sorts) with boxy and Duke Garland. They felt that this was the best way to track them all moving forward. Right, now I'm off to delete those revision images that came due today... --Mobius187 12:42, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Ghost Recon

You know I wouldn't usually want to add more work to your already full plate... but I do have a question. Duke Garland was wondering whether I technically earned the Ghost Recon badge in Judgewood. It was back on the 12th of January, I do believe. At the time, it was labeled a ghost suburb on the map. Seeing as you're the driving force behind Necrowatch, I figure you're the one best suited for judgment regarding this badge. Anywho... I better get back to Wyke Hills and try to claim that All-Seeing Eye badge before the others do. Otherwise, it will likely be a month or more before I'm able to again. Cheers. - Ottari

Well, for your trouble, I'll drop by the Burchell Arms on my way back to Pescodside. If Caleb has indeed left the town, then I'll find some mechanism to get a round of their finest ales sent your way. On second thought, let me dig through my supplies. Ah, here we go...

	SEARCH THE BOX
	This user knows a round of the Burchell Arm's finest beer is in that box!

No trouble. I mean, I can see Duke's point and it's a good one. But the problem isn't you, rather it was my initial ruling on how the ribbon badge was earned. I was too vague in that regard, when I should have had it more like "All-Seeing Eye" (no more than one person per month per ghost town), but then it would have been a real pain in the butt to get. Which brings up my point, NecroWatch isn't about stressing out over badges, it's about having fun and getting recognition for doing a cool job that helps people. I'm certain the people of Judgewood are happy three people came around and posted scans for their suburb, you guys probably helped them realize the suburb wasn't a ghost town. Anyway, I'll make more badges once you guys have collected every Pokemon err "badge", should you still hunger for more. I know there's another Tour of Duty out there... and maybe I'll dub one or 2 NTs with "special badges". Of course I'll need to do that before you guys claim Master Recon or else you'll auto-achieve these medals. :) --Mobius187 20:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Point well taken. On an unrelated side note... I'm using a modified suburb map page template to check off the suburb's I've completed for my own records. :-) Unfortunately, all I've gotten to do so far is blanking out the danger color to white every time I complete a suburb. I'll try to tweak the background colors a bit more. Check it out under the Necrowatch Scans section of my user page. -Ottari

I'll have to check that out... --Mobius187 20:50, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Bored.

Don't know if it helps, but I was at the tribe building in penny heights. Just now. Thought this may be of use. The image "Necroj.JPG" --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll see about posting the scan to NecroWatch. You can also post similar requests on the NecroWatch Talk wikipage. --Mobius187 00:44, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Ive put up a link to join. Anything else I need to do?--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:53, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

That's it. I try and make it as simple as possible for people to join up. Be sure to read the FAQ, and then do as you please so long as you report scans (whenever and wherever you like). Of course you can also add this template to your user wikipage:

{{NecroWatch|Name=Rosslessness}}

That just says you've joined, but it's obviously not required. Also, as you earn ribbon medals feel free to avail yourself to the template I created specifically for displaying your medals, namely this one (feel free to post it anywhere you like on your user wikipage):

{{NecroBadges|Name=Rosslessness|Rank=1|ReconRank=|NW-ASE=|NW-GR=|NW-LH=|NW-EV=|NW-BW=|NW-BTD=|NW-ETD=|NW-MHTD=|NW-MTD=|NW-PTD=|NW-MR=}}

But of course it's not required either. Anyway I'll add you to the members list, be sure to update your "total scans" there whenever you post one or more, and most importantly have fun. --Mobius187 16:03, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Cool, Im aiming for my SE Recon Master badge.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:14, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Good luck! :) --Mobius187 16:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Ive uploaded a scan in quarlesbank. Did i follow correct procedure?--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:36, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

I have confirmed that you posted the scan perfectly. I should mention though that the "--" before your signature is not required as the template automatically includes it, but that's hardly a major issue here. But I still wanted to point it out. Anywho, the next step would be to record your scan by first going here, editing the list, and adding +1 to your total scans... which gives you 2 now (as this would be your second reported scan since January 1st 2008, when scans started to be counted). Secondly, be sure to copy your signature from the scan (your timestamp to be specific) and go here. What is this, you may ask. This is an alphabetical list of every NT facility in Malton. This list is used to confirm who has or hasn't scanned from a specific NT building. You now need to locate the NT facility you scanned from and sign there. For example, in this case you would go down to here, locate the entry for the "Milnerr Building" and edit it. Be sure to always add you name to the bottom of any list, as some members are tracking the order people reported for each building. It's kind of a race to see who can get to the most buildings first, but there is no official reward (yet). If you see the signature "Unclaimed", delete it and take its place. That's just a placeholder signature made by me until someone actually reports from that building. Also, and lastly (phew!), only members of NecroWatch are added to these lists, so ignore non-members who post scans because obviously they won't be earning badges. And that's it. I hope this helps. --Mobius187 16:48, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh my god. Just done The Longstaff Building, and its not on your NT list. How can I claim it? Is there a prize!--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:52, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I've so far added 5-7 buildings that were not originally on my recon list. The reason for this being that originally I figured the best way to record all the NT buildings alphabetically was to use Category:Necrotech Buildings. Sounds like a good idea, right? Well it turns out some people didn't grasp the concept of including every NT building in this category. So every time I come across one of these buildings I end up having to go to the location wikipage and fix the category (which erroneously lists it as a building, when in fact it is not "just a building" by definition of the location). I just did that for the Longstaff Building, and now I shall add it to the recon list. Keep on the lookout for any more of those "missing" NTs. --Mobius187 18:20, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

"A.L.I.C.E."

The "tests" that you have to undertake. They're borrowed from aperturescience.com, am I right? --Private Mark 07:28, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes and no. The idea, yes. The questions, no. I did use the test's initial commentary just so people would recognize it. Also if you examine ALICE's comments some of those phrases may sound very familiar, but with appropriate twists so the context makes sense. Even so, not everything is presented with that one source in mind since some concepts have mixed origins, such as ALICE. She is part "Red Queen" (RE), part HAL (2001:ASO), and part GLaDOS (Portal). Of course the bottom line is it's all about having fun. ;) --Mobius187 12:48, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Cool. Was just curious is all, and the test was pretty fun. :D --Private Mark 00:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

There is some trouble over the talk page, especially over the OOC/IC part...some clarification would be appreciated --TerminalFailure 6:41, 3 Feb. 2008 (EST)

There is? I would have thought it would be hard for anyone to take ALICE seriously, but if there is trouble then I plan on putting the brakes on it. Never fear, I'll turn tragedy back into comedy (so to speak). ;) --Mobius187 12:46, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Reply!

Yeah, I'll put it up on my page once I can think up Yabel's history. It's all spontaneous.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:09, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Booo! --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 00:40, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Do I qualify for a Ghost Recon ribbon? (I had aquired a scan from the Peet Buidling earlier)--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, let's take a look shall we? Which suburb is it? Ah, Judgewood. Is Judgewood a "ghost town"? Check. Does it have 2 or more NT facilities? It has 3 of them, so check again. Did you report from all of them? Check. Well it all checks out perfectly, so you've earned the Ghost Recon ribbon. Congratulations and keep up the good work. --Mobius187 23:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Your group has breathed life into my characters again. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 20:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad to hear it. Of course Project NecroWatch wouldn't be what it is today without the help of people just like you. So keep up the good work and together we'll make NecroWatch even better in the months ahead. :) --Mobius187 21:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Rhodenbank Status (My Talk)

I have replied (This is also my My Talk page, link above):

"Thanks, Mobius (for the complement) I think it's Revenant and Militant Order of Barhah. I will check what exactly the criteria for a dangerous suburb is after dinner. [Edit: Just read a External Military Radio Broadcast. "... reporting from Rhodenbank, I've got maybe seventy active ... a few big groups, but they're spread out ... several buildings with power ... serious collateral damage ... the Starr Building has lights on ..." --Tec7890 16:35, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Update. It is hard to determine the safety of Rhodenbank, but in the south area with all the NTs, It is reasonably safe (and I would consider those blocks 'moderate'. --Tec7890 18:38, 6 January 2008 (UTC)"

Split conversations are crazy to keep track of, so I'll drop by your Talk wikipage instead. Even so, I'm glad to hear that you're following up on these reports. I'm curious about the status of Rhodenbank and I hate it when anyone overstates, or understates, the threat to a suburb. People really need to back up ANY claims with links to iWitness reports or NecroNet scans (ala NecroWatch). --Mobius187 23:37, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay then, you might want to watchlist it. --Tec7890 23:45, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, Rhodenbank has been downgraded to Moderate. The scans are from The Carlyle Building and The Devonshire Building.

People should be able to rely on the UD Wiki for accurate information. So long as even one person reports accurately for each suburb then that should improve the state of information. Keep up the good work. --Mobius187 13:11, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Expedition

I messaged you on the DA forum to inquire whether or not a diplomatic position was still open. My leave of absence from the Pescodside Defense Alliance was approved, and I'll be setting out on a journey across Malton to promote both the Dulston Alliance and Necrowatch on January 1st. If you could let me know about that diplomatic position, or how to go about getting it, it would be much appreciated. Also, I kind of shamelessly plagiarized your userpage template to use to my own devious ends. I'll switch around the colors and links a bit to differentiate it from your own, but thanks! --Ottari 20:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

You're asking how to become a diplomat for the Alliance? Simple, just make your intentions known in the Alliance Chat. I'm sure no one would disagree as people are hardly fighting for the job. Then all you need to do is approach groups you feel would be good allies. I recommend ones that are not too far away from the NE Corner, or who are mobile enough that they could come if asked. One important aspect when signing alliances is to explain all the details involved so they know exactly what they are agreeing to sign. For example, it was very important to inform the DEM that the Alliance did not follow the Rogues Gallery, and that in signing a treaty with the Alliance they would have to forgo hunting Alliance members who were on the RG (if only for that reason alone). The purpose was to resolve disputes diplomatically rather than through random violence.

Also, you are free to use my wikicode as you see fit. The UD Wiki is all about sharing ideas. I'm glad that you like my wikicode enough to be reusing it. Have fun. ;) --Mobius187 20:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Happy New Year Mobius! I left a belated Christmas gift for you over on the Blackmore Building Necrowatch page. When I heard the building was in survivor hands, I ran all the way from Rolt Heights (with a fuel can in tow) to get it. It's current as of about forty minutes ago, and of course the most recent update to Ridleybank's suburb news doesn't look half bad either. Hope you enjoy it, because it will be the first of many. --Ottari ^{NW DA PDA} 17:59, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

A nice Merry Christmas from meh, *hic*, and the rest of the Abandoned! *hic*. --Private Mark 22:07, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

And a Merry Christmas to you too. :D --Mobius187 22:10, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey Mobius

When uploading the NecroWatch scans into the system, could you please put categories on them at the same time? I usually put [[Category:Screenshots]]; [[Category:Maps]]; and [[Category:Stats]] onto the image page. It'll just help us to keep the images categorized. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me on my talk page. Thank you very much. --Ryiis 15:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Certainly. At this stage there are not too many scans, as some are still using placeholder "static". I'll confer with you on your Talk wikipage to find the best possible category for these images (perhaps even a new one...?). --Mobius187 15:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey, just left you a note on my talk page. I think you should use [[Category:NecroWatch]] and [[Category:Screenshots]] for future images that you upload. I went through and changed a bunch, but didn't get through the last little bit (I didn't want to spam Recent Changes too much). I'll try and help out a little later on today if I can to finish categorizing your images. Thanks --Ryiis 16:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

It would seem that you completed adding categories for all suburb NecroNet images from suburbs A-R, so I completed the final wikipage worth of scan images (S to Z). If I post any new scan images I'll be sure to include the proper categories. Of course I cannot speak for others, as anyone can post an updated scan image. What I will say though is that I will routinely check the images, looking for timestamps that post-date December 22nd in search of any new ones lacking these categories. --Mobius187 16:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Necronet

You and your NecroWatch scans... is Image:StyleBuildingNecronet.png taking forever to update or did I do something wrong again? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 05:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Nope. It's 100% goodness as far as I can tell. Have you tried Refresh? I find that after I update a scan sometimes the image won't update until I hit Refresh. --Mobius187 06:15, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh. :) --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 06:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Have you categorized all the necronet images? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, with the help of Ryiis (who apparently did most of the work). If you create any new images (i.e. for currently "missing" scans) be sure to include the NecroWatch and Screenshots categories for the image. --Mobius187 03:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me

I have noticed that since you were promoted five months ago you have done no admin work at all. I have started a discussion about it in A/D here. Id like for you to explain this curious lack of... y'know, serving the wiki and doing your job. Im also curious to find out what you intend to do about this situation. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 03:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Characters

Hey, wanted to thank you for the updated to Miltown's NTs and tell you that I've enjoyed reading your coverage of the Militant Order of Barhah's attack on the NE. I was sad to see that Caleb Usher is timed out, and hope you have another that is taking part in the fun firsthand. -- Rutherford 18:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I retired Caleb from UD months ago, but it still amuses me that he still gets "death threats" from various enemies that he/I never even knew about back when I was playing. As you can tell I still have an interest in UD, but it's strictly all UD Wiki and forums now, no gameplay. If you really wanted to meet Caleb in person then I'm afraid you missed your chance. Not that Caleb has ever been down to Miltown, he was strictly Dulston/Pescodside. The edits that you witnessed are part of an ongoing project, namely NecroWatch, which requires that all NT building wikipages be brought "up to snuff". So far I'm happy that most of the 20+ suburbs I've been through have at least the basics (i.e. a map), although one NT didn't and a few had broken links in their mini-maps (where there shouldn't be any... spelling mistakes being the culprit in most cases). Eventually I plan to update the remaining 80 suburb NTs, but that may take a while. In the meantime feel free to contribute scans to NecroWatch via the template I installed on the Milton NTs. Every little bit helps. :) --Mobius187 18:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Extremely Rude!

Please do NOT change the spelling, abbreviations or capitalization on MY posts! I signed it, if you don't like it, then write your own. Don't go changing other people's posts without putting YOUR OWN name on it. The spelling was perfect, the grammer acceptable, and MY NAME was on it. You modified the meaning and flavor of my post without my knowledge or consent. Of course, since this is your page, you have the right to delete this. -- Grogh 03:42, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I hardly consider my efforts "extremely" rude. Perhaps they could be quantified as "rude", or simply impolite by certain standards. Yes, that would have been the nice way to phrase my edits. I take it you are referring to my edits on the Rolt Heights news wherein I reverted the capitalization of several "The" into "the" in your post, in an effort to convert them into their more appropriate lower case form. I would go into depth to explain my reasoning for this, but I'm sure that your reason trumps mine and probably has to do with them belonging to the title of some event. An event that would best have been expressed with a link to the self-proclaimed activity (perhaps on the MOoB wikipage, or is it just MoB?). That certainly would have cleared up any confusion on my part when I considered them simple grammar mistakes. I could lecture you on the grammar side of the issue, but that would hardly be productive to the situation as you seem to have more than a fair handle on the subject. On the matter of signed posts, I'm of the opinion that their purpose when attributed to news posts is highly overrated. As I'm perpetually cleaning up spelling and grammar mistakes throughout the UD Wiki it sometimes becomes necessary to edit someone else's news post for either minor factual, link, or grammatical clarity. I can assure you that I would never change the meaning of another user's news post, and in circumstances such as this, if you had simply undone my edits I would have considered that confirmation that I had misunderstood your true purpose in capitalizing those words in the first place. I would have then capitulated with your desire to post them the way you desired as I'm an agreeable sort of fellow. There, see how nice a conversation we can have when you don't feel the urge to go overboard and capitalize entire words? --Mobius187 03:59, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

You changed the meaning of my posts with your egotistical attempt to make the world fit your opinion, because, in your ignorance, you didn't understand something. BTW, I used caps for emphasis in an effort to get my point across. Don't touch my posts, unless you're a mod who feels it is necessary to delete one for cause. You have every right to delete THIS post since it's your page. -- Grogh 04:39, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

I hardly consider my monumentally awe-inspiring ego to be the cusp of this entire discussion, as much as that would make logical sense, what with that being the very definition of egotism. By any chance would your ego play any role in this as well? But let us all act like reasonable men of civility here. There is no need to take on tones or raise voices. Are we not men of reason? As such, can we not therefore come to a reasonable understanding that would bring forth the merits of both our ideas and thus improve the UD Wiki as a whole, rather than clasp tightly to the archaic concepts and traditions that others uphold just for the sake on backwards consistency? I say to you now that I see in you the ability to rise above all of the pettiness and seize upon the greater accomplishment here. Rise, with me, and together we will teach each other. I am sure that I can learn something from all of this from you, just as much as you can from me. Hmmm. That was skillfully worded if I do say so myself. And I suppose I just did. For example, may I suggest that in the future, for emphasis in polite conversation you underline your words? Or perhaps use italics. Actually, in truth, I prefer to simply reword my opinion until I've massaged it into something meaningful which not only emphasizes my point, but sounds equally polite. If not a bit overtly wordy, mind you. Also, you have again inferred that I would for some reason delete your post here. I see no reason to take such a course of action. We are having a polite conversation. An airing of opinions, as it were. And, as it would seem, we have sidetracked each other from our original discussion. My lengthy rebuttal has not accomplished what I had hoped it would. Let us start anew and I will get the ball rolling with a real question.

*Cough, cough* Greetings Grogh. I would like to inquire as to why you felt the urge not, note my emphasis, to link to the Burchell Arms location wikipage in your news post? Or perhaps, why you felt the urge to undo the link I added when undid my revision to your news posts? Again, I'm not questioning the revion as a whole. I mention this because I wished to know if the reason was that you, perhaps, did not feel like investing the time/effort? If so, I would not hold it against you as it's most certainly not a requirement, but the fact that you removed the link when you performed your revision offers no such easy explanation. Is it perhaps that you protest links to location wikipages within news posts? Or did you simply revert everything regardless of the nature of my edits? Perhaps you would reconsider adding the link back in on its own merits? I'm reluctant to do so myself, for as I noted earlier, once someone reverts one of my edits I must assume they have a good reason and I make no further attempts to edit the text. Revision conflicts, after all, are childish matters and I would not even contemplate starting anything even remotely akin to one. After answering this query, I would ask that you consider the nature of my other issues pertaining to grammar. Not to be confrontational, but is there a reason for the capitalized "The"? Is it the reason I stated previously? Here's hoping for more stimulatingly polite conversation. :) --Mobius187 05:22, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

NT Scans in the NE Corner

I'm making a triumphant return to regular Necronet scanning service and noted the new Necrowatch initiative. Sounds like something Liberal Pi and I could get behind. I've been trying to foster good relations with Dunningwood for the past little bit, and this might be a positive step in that direction. Liberal Pi is taking up operations at the Crampton Building, and I'll do the usual Pescodside circuit. Just give us the heads up when your project is complete, but we'll start scanning later this week. How is the SysOp life treating you? One other problem... I remember being able to access the DA boards at some point in the past. Since the PDA left so long ago, does that mean access to the DA forum was revoked for me as well? I signed in, and it claimed that I don't have permission to view the board. -- Ottari 14:46, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Project: NecroWatch is proceeding well. I'm just working on the detailed information and TOCs. From there I'll begin advertising it by adding the scan template to EVERY NT ocation wikipage. That will be fun. No not really, but it will be good work. If both you and Liberal Pi are interested, you can join up as NecroTechnicians. I've already added you, and once I've linked the NecroWatch members wikipage then it should be easy for anyone to sign-up. Sysop life is okay, but apparently there are things I can do, and things I can do, but apparently shouldn't. Gotta watch out for that. As for your forum access, if you created a user account on the Dulston Alliance forum then you still have access to the forum. What you will not have access to is the Lodge, Lounge, or Alliance Chat sections. I just checked... what's this... you were banned? Odd. Not sure how that happened. I unbanned you. Let me know if you have anymore problems. --Mobius187 23:09, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Glad to hear it... now that leveling up is out of the way, I have plenty of free time to wander through Dunningwood and Pescodside. Liberal Pi will pick up the slack Dulston and Rhodenbank. I'll see about shaking some other Necrotechnicians out of the woodwork to cover the Gibsonton-Santlerville and Earletown-Pashenton beats. Don't know how successful that will be though. As I found out the first time, it's a time-consuming venture. Hearing about the ban is curious... I hardly ever posted to begin with, save for the usual diplomatic such-and-such. Thanks for the unbanning, and I'll do my part to foster some good relations with survivor groups. I'm sure we'll be in touch sometime in the future, and keep up all the great work you do! Ottari 18:21, 28 November 2007 (EST)

So far the only other person with a keen interest is Kikashie (from the ELT), as he has shown an interested in Dulston which he already patrols as a member of the ELT. If Liberal Pi wants to this means he could concentrate on Rhodenbank more. Also, as you can tell we have a lot of blind spots. Kikashie has mentioned he has 2 alts, who he still needs to level up a bit, who may be able to support our efforts in regards to this. After all, this is simply a method by which NecroNet reports will be tracked. Nothing clandestine about that since most reports are simply lost. I was thinking one 2 other people to ask, namely Goebi and WanYao, as they have reported a lot of status updates at NT buildings. That seems to infer that they must visit them fairly often and they have an interest in reporting. --Mobius187 23:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, before this thread gets out of control, I'm sure Liberal Pi wouldn't object to focusing on Rhodenbank, Pasherton, and Earletown all in sum. Rhodenbank has four sites, but mainly in two clusters. Earletown just has Wortley within easy distance, then Pasherton's two NT buildings. That being the case, they could probably be kept up to date to the tune of every 48 hours. I'll address the rest of this via forum messages, rather than clutter up your talk page, if you prefer. Perhaps a conversation over AIM would be just as appropriate. Anyway, I better get to scanning. --Ottari

NTScan

Hey, that is an AWESOME little app you have created there! Kudos! However... I was thinking... How about having it interface with Iwitness? Maybe I haven't looked at it hard enough, but my worry is... actually I have 2 worries... 1st, it requires people to mess with images in photoshop or something before uploading -- something a lot of people dont know orv want to do, esp. for something so "on the fly" and ever-changing as NT scans. And the fact they change so often -- that we WANT them to change as often as possible -- makes me want it to be something very quick and easy like saving an Iwitness, then entering the link to the report into the wiki. Also saves server space, all those JPGs could add up pretty fast.... Whaddaya think?? --WanYao 19:19, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I take it you are referring to Project: NecroWatch? You probably are, in which case iWitness is currently useful as a source for NecroNet scans, and a potential method by which scans can be reported/update. NecroWatch is not yet completed, as it will include additional section for NecroTechnicians, information on reporting scans (more than I currently have for "Procedures", as that is just basic image posting instructions for the template), and perhaps even zombie tracking (totals per suburb). On your suggestion about interfacing iWitness with the UD Wiki pages I should mention that there is no straightforward method. The iWitness reports are HTML-code captures, and as such the scans are HTML tables, not images. Furthermore those tables use classes not defined in the UD Wiki. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would require working with Swiers to sort it all out. For now uploaded images are a good alternative, as many people are familiar with capturing screenshots. In the case of these scans you wouldn't even need Photoshop. A simple application, like MS Paint could be used to crop the image and save it. The overall size of these images range from 6-20KB depending on the scale (which vary from location to location, and which browser tools are used). Another factor here is that each new scan replaces the prior scan image, so WhitlockBuildingScan.png is replaced by a new scan that uses the exact same name. Later older revisions could easily be deleted by Sysops (such as me) as required. I agree that simplicity and ease are two important factors here and I hope to provide enough information and tools by which users can easily report new scans without feeling bogged down in work.

This brings me to my next topic, I noticed that you have taken a noted interest in reporting the status of various NT buildings across Malton. Would you ever considered contributing to a project like NecroWatch? After I have completed updating NecroWatch with the sections I mentioned before I will be looking for players who have characters willing to travel to NT buildings and provide scans, either in a nomadic nature or those NT buildings within their particular suburb. Those who are interested will be included among a listing of "NecroTechnicians", ranking (based on total scan reports provided each month), and the character profiles of those who assist in this work will be recorded there. Note that NecroWatch is not a group, but rather an organization and as such anyone can join and keep all existing group affiliations. It's only up to you to decide how much effort you can put into providing scans on a timely basis. If you are not interested, that's okay, but any contributions (i.e. scans) you can provide during your survivor's travels would be appreciated of course. Well, I hope this answers your questions. I need to get back to the project and create those sub-pages. --Mobius187 20:14, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Location Histories

Following from the discussion on that photo you created: Is it ok to add little bits of information and history to locations in malton? Provided of course that they don't supply false information and go through a spellcheck first. It's just I'd quite like doing that--Seventythree^Talk 16:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

And here are your answers, copied from the same discussion:

Absolutely! It is encouraged, in fact. The only thing that personally irks me is when people make histories that in one way or another exclude many people from participating in and enjoying it... There are lots of ways that is done, and lots of (often even highly POV) ways that I have seen histories written that allow everyone to have fun, as well. Just something to think about, eh? --WanYao 16:39, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Yup. I also encourage other users to add to the histories of every location wikipage, especially pre-outbreak. Seventythree, look around Rolt Heights and I'm sure you can easily find locations I've created that just have very basic descriptions (by then I was running out of steam). Dulston has the fewest bare minimums as I started with it first. Pescodside should have some that need beefing up and personally I would appreciate the effort. You're also free to add to those that I've worked on, because to be fair, I edit other people's location descriptions so they should be allowed to edit mine as well. BTW, Seventythree, have you read the location description for the old sugar mill in Pescodside...? That was one of my favorites. ;) --Mobius187 16:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Cool! I've started work already, if you want to make sure it's the right sort of thing. I've so far done a history for junkyard 99-12 and the The Margesson hotel. Hope you like em!--Seventythree^Talk 17:32, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh, you don't need to advise me of any edits in the 4 northeast suburbs... I watch ALL the location wikipages there. The moment someone edits one I'm notified, so feel free to make whatever edits you like and I'll oversee them (and by that I mean I'll take a peek every now and then to see how you are doing). I suggest a mix of serious location news, with a few that are humorous/strange. If every location wikipage sounds strange they will lose their interest factor. --Mobius187 17:40, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleting stuff

You really should use A/SD to get rid of the stuff you are deleting. Its only a matter of time before someone spots the discrepancies between the deletion logs and the A/D and A/SD, and takes you to misconduct. I dont think anything good would be served by doing so and i am instead asking you correct this oversight on your own. --The Grimch ^{U! E! WAT!} 21:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this in relation to the images I deleted, the wikipages, or both? I ask because I was under the impression that because I owned them that I had the authority to delete them. Of course I didn't just decide this on my own, as I asked about it here first. Let me know though if I've overlooked anything. If this is not the case (wherein I can avoid A/SD) I certainly wouldn't mind knowing it for all my future work. Note that this is only in relation to wikipages and images created/uploaded by me, rather than those of other users. --Mobius187 22:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Holy Crap

Thats one huge project. You need a hand in any of it? A suggestion, though. Perhaps somewhere to put "Total zombies in scanned area"? That way you could tally up the number of zombies easily, and maybe make one huge map with a total number of zombies or something. Or you could do it by areas or suburbs. As for where to put it, you could have [X zombies] next to [timestamp] or something. Otherwise, keep up the good work! This is going to be really useful when its done. --Kikashie ^ELT 21:57, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, so you spotted "Project: NecroWatch". So far I'm keeping it low-profile until I have all the NTScan sub-pages created. As you can see one of the key factors in this project, other than the sheer number of hours involved (15+ so far...) is finding NecroNet scans. A lot of locations outside our beloved NE Corner seem to lack an interest in posting scans on the location wikipages. As such, I have been relying on iWitness reports for a majority of the other suburbs. Of course I'm into September, so the usefulness of these scans is low, but they at least serve as placeholders. I'm trying to reduce the number of locations that will require the "static" image. Later, once I get enough people helping (i.e. joining the NecroWatch organization) I'll replace all old scans with the static to indicate that it needs a more current update. By "old" I mean scans that are older than 3 months, but not yet. I agree your idea is valid. I may eventually add a section to each suburb where a tally can be posted. I know you probably meant "on each scan", but I'm trying to limit how much work each poster needs to invest so as to attract more people to get into the habit. Currently all they would need to do is upload the image and sign it.

On this topic, would you care to join NecroWatch? It's an organization, not a group, so you would stay with ELT. But you would also work as a NecroTechnician by posting NecroNet scans and helping maintain NecroWatch (i.e. new scans). Also, no doubt someone will eventually not follow the instructions I posted and clean-up of mis-linked scan images will need to be made. My template allows for multiple file types to be defined (what I figure will be the most likely inconsistency). Eventually I plan to add a section to list all "joined" NecroTechnicians, not that you need to be a member to post your new scan of course. It will be similar to the section I have for NAMBLA (consider that an older version of NecroWatch, and I actually intend to delete NAMBLA once NecroWatch is complete). What do you think? --Mobius187 22:13, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Sure, I'll join. I can make sure that Dulstons scans always stay up to date. And now that i think about it, i have two other characters who do nothing (aside from getting eaten by zombies, that is). They can roam Malton and attempt to update the lesser updated ones. And NAMBLA was pretty funny, although short-lived. A problem though... as of now i do not have the ability to right-click. Why? My computer froze in the middle of doing the first draft of the Black List (UDTool version). Needless to say, it did not save, and the mouse took a beating. Several times. The pad provided no protection. I don't know how this will affect my ability to be a NecroTechnician, but... yeah. Heh. --Kikashie ^ELT 22:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Your mouse has betrayed you. I recommend shooting it, but only when you have all your other mouses present (including any new one you buy) so as to show them what happens when they choose that course of action. On a more serious note, thanks for signing up. I do have a little bit of help already 2 members of the BAR helping post scans at Whitlock and Clewett. Still, I'm not sure for how long they plan to help out before they get bored or BAR obligations require them to be elsewhere. If your 2 alst want to help that should be useful. Once I've completed the scan collection, as I call it, I'll mark all unscanned areas with static. Those are the ones that are most in need of an update. From there we can track down older scans and post newer ones. I suggest iWitness as the best way to do this as it will also help provide a "base time" of MT (Malton Time) rather than various worldly regions. Not that you can't post another region's time zone. Well, back to tracking down scans. --Mobius187 22:59, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Ironic, isn't it? --Kikashie ^ELT 00:23, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes... only... "Technition"? Come on. Is it really that hard for people to spellcheck before posting important work/ideas? ;) --Mobius187 00:25, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps his right-click is also broken. Now i have to stare down those red lines and wonder what the real spelling is. My grammar just went out the window. And now i can't play shooting games (efficiently), or Civ III for that matter. Why, Mobius, why?! I'm just going to pry it open... here goes nothing. --Kikashie ^ELT 00:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleting Redirects After Page Moves

Hi Mobius, yeah, you can delete any unused redirects resulting from page moves without needing to go through the deletions pages. Have a look here -- boxy • talk • 23:42 24 November 2007 (BST)

Thanks for the information. This should help me with my clean up duties... well, as far as they pertain to me. :) --Mobius187 23:46, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Undeadites in WG

Why did you add them to the zombie groups?? Because they are here, as part of the Big Bash? Well, MANY groups are in WG as part of the Bash, but as far as I know none of them are moving here permenantly. Should we add LUE, the RRF, Minions of the Apocalypse, FU, Thulsa Dooms Temple of Set, The Deadbangers of Malton, Hel's Daughters, and gawd every other group I have forgotten about?

I don't see why not, but in this case that was not my intention. What I was doing was consolidating the Undeadites as part of my usual Malton clean-up duties. Every now and then I check the location(s) of groups by determining where their group icon (image) is being displayed (i.e. which suburbs) and then I determine if or how erroneous these listings are at the time. In the case of the Undeadites they were listed in several scattered and obviously old suburbs. In order to consolidate them without completely removing them from all the suburbs I located their current suburb and moved their group icon there while deleting it from every other suburb. My goal is to hopefully one day insure that groups maintain their own suburb location in a more up-to-date fashion, but until then I'm just sweeping up every now and then. I hope this helps answer your question. --Mobius187 7:47 AM, November 21 2007 (EST)

A GUY, not a GAL

Caleb Usher, what on earth are you doing? You just said that I was a girl for pete's sake! Also, note to you, I have stopped PKing people who don't deserve it. Like Tfox, he clogs up the radio, so he deserves it. Understand? Yonnua Koponen 07:55, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

That's an honest mistake, as Yonnua seemed ambiguous to me. Any name that ends in "a" usually gets lumped into womens names by me unless I can properly relate the name to someone famous. That and I have no idea how it's pronounced. On the matter of PKing I'm also referring to the binge of killings involving the Friends of the Featherstone Library. Whether you've stopped killing people is hard to prove (minus TFox, obviously), unless I take your word for it, which is fine with me as I'm pretty easy going. Of course if you want your name removed from the Black List you'll need to take that up with the Dulston Alliance on their forum. I usually chip in over there, so feel free to ask me for further information should you require it. As for TFox, well, we all know he likes to talk... a lot... but murder is murder. But then again, that's not something you need to take up with me. --Mobius187 8:00 AM, November 13 2007 (EST)

Pronounced (Yoh-new-ah Koh-Poh-nen) roughly translating to 'killer of kings' in Russian. (As close as you can get with an English keyboard) Yonnua Koponen 16:37, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

RE: Danger Level: Dulston

It was actually me that changed it to moderate. DanceDanceRevolution 05:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah, now I see the confusion. I think both of you reported Moderate Danger, but someone else had changed it back to Safe in the meantime. --Mobius187 8 November 2007, 6:25 AM (EST)

Sorry about the misunderstanding. I also want to apologize for my defensive attitude over the last few days also. Life can get stressful. DanceDanceRevolution 09:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

No worries. :) --Mobius187 10 November 2007, 9:20 AM (EST)

Question

Hey 187 when I sign my post it no longer sets it as a link can you help me fix this problem? Thanks for the help check out my sig. --Vachon Blaze 21:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Greetings Vachon. To confirm, what you are saying is that when you use the "~~~~" tag it no longer automatically adds your username and timestamp? Or are you referring to some other method of signing your posts? Once I have clarified with you exactly how you are signing your posts I will best be able to provide the proper assistance. Let me know. --Mobius187 5 November 2007, 7:36 PM (EST)

PDA Revive Point Issue

I never authorized any such edit, im not sure who did the first editing, but opto has been vandalizing our property, as well as the mermagen street revive point. He has also been tagging the outside of warehouse as "optos revive point". Opto2 just killed me, and it doesn't take a genious to know that they are connected. Please erase all data of the revive point, and add ours back if you could. I have confronted opto and told him that if he comes in our buildings, it will be seen as an act of hostility, and he will be executed. On another note, how you been buddy? Hows the SysOp life treating you? Can't wait till you finally give in and come back to the game!

I thought those edits were suspicious. I'll revert them and keep an eye out for any others. It's one thing to do this in-game, but when he messes with the UD Wiki edits like that can be associated with vandalism. But I prefer to wait and see if he tries it again. Being a Sysop is okay, but I have yet to do anything that required anything beyond my normal Edit powers. Well... other than move every suburb news archive wikipage, but that naming inconsistency was driving me nuts! FYI, sorry to burst your bubble, but I will never play UD again. I made a promise and I never break those. ;) --Mobius187 October 17 2007, 8:39 PM (EST)

Thanks Mobius, i'll keep an eye on it. http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/10-20-07_0400hrs_PUBLIC/IN_93-13_opto_attacking__7bb-fb2-63c.html here is a link of him trying to kill me, but alas he fails miserably. Thanks for you're help, and like I said, can't wait till you finally give in and come back to the game!(and also, my first comment was my first wiki edit in a while, so I apologize for not signing my own post :P)LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 00:41, 21 October 2007 (BST)

Mobius, under the pescodside revive point section, it has been changed to say that the pda is a pker group. could you please change it back, and also, i think this is his final chance, and if you can, I think he should be banned, or the information should be submitted to someone who has that kind of power.LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 18:18, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

I concur. This has to stop. --Dr. Guedner 10:53, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Keep in mind that we are talking about two different offences here. The first was tampering with the revive point, the second the status of the PDA (listed as a PKer group). I have given him another warning in hopes that this will stop. If he should tamper with either the revive point or the PDA group listing again (without arguable proof) then I will take further steps as a Sysop. --Mobius187 October 29 2007, 7:50 AM

They may be two different offences, but they are offences nonetheless. Furthermore, they are indeed related by having the common goal of antagonizing the PDA's activities. A Pker group's revive point - who would want to wait for treatment there? --Dr. Guedner 12:44, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Contact

Hello Mobius, I would like to get in contact with someone from the DA who is in charge, but seeing as how I'm banned from the forums, that's kinda tough, and I can't seem to find any aim sn's for anyone. Something I'd rather not mention on the wiki, which would be important for those in charge of the DA. Thanks --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 19:47, 4 October 2007 (BST)

Well the leadership of the Alliance is split between leaders and reps. Most of the member groups have a leader who casts votes in his group's name, with votes equaling the total active membership (as per the UD Stats webpage). Other groups that have no formal leaders have reps who do the talking for them, like diplomats. In the case of the Alliance only the RCDC and FotFL have reps, as both groups don't use leaders. That said, I could put you in contact with any number of these "high rollers". Here's a thought, if what you want to tell them is too private for the wiki (i.e. here) sign-up on the BAR's forum and PM me there. From that PM I should be able to PM anyone/everyone you want on the Alliance's forum. How does that sound? --Mobius187 7:50 AM, October 5 2007 (EST)

that I can do--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 21:40, 5 October 2007 (BST)

Request

Hello love...I heard you were good at creating layouts for pages, I was wondering if you could do something for my user page? Tangerine 03:17, 18 September 2007 (BST)

I have assisted other users in the past when requested. Of course at the same time I do have Sysop duties to attend to, so I have had to limit in scale what I am willing to create. Did you simply want a layout similar to my own user wikipage? If so, then I usually inform users that they are free to copy my wiki design/code and then modify it as they please. The wiki is, after all, about sharing ideas. Also, in advance of any work, I take it you are granting me permission to make some cursory edits to your user wikipage, is that correct? --Mobius187 September 18 2007, 7:49 AM (EST)

Yes, of course. And I was thinking something somewhat different, something of a mystical effect...

Also, may I request that further messages to me be posted on my own talk page? It makes it easier to know when to respond. ^-^ Tangerine 01:53, 19 September 2007 (BST)

As I tell people here at work, "Your request has been processed". ;) --Mobius187 September 19 2007, 12:16 PM (EST)

You are so awesome! Thank you! It looks great! And in case you're wondering, my name is based on the Led Zeppelin song, not the fruit! ^_-

Thanks so much<333Tangerine 01:02, 20 September 2007 (BST)

Sysop Congrats

Congrats, your promotion bid was successful. Any questions about the new features, or sysops duties, just ask The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 09:57 16 August 2007 (BST)

Congrats on becoming sysops! As Morbo (from Futurama) would say: "Morbo congratulates our gargantuan cyborg president. May death come quickly to his enemies!" --Wang Hager^ELT 19:05, 16 August 2007 (BST)

MOBIUS!!!! OMG!!!!! SYSOP!!!! <3 LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 23:00, 16 August 2007 (BST)

Thanks. I will do my best to continue doing exactly what I've been doing up until now. I'll be sure to contact you (Boxy) if I have any questions, but of course that would probably entail doing something I wouldn't normally do, so odds are slim I'll be doing something like that. In the future I will also try and be even more vague as I worry my points come across too easily. Something-something about this and that, wouldn't you agree? ;) --Mobius187 August 17 2007, 7:44 AM (EST)

Try harder, you're not being obtuse enough :P The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 15:36 19 August 2007 (BST)

Well, first I would like to congratulate you, noted NecroTech employee Caleb Usher, on your promotion to syops (or however the blasted word is spelt). Second, I noticed you are extremely good at making up user page colors and whatnot. Want to give me some tips? X_X -- Vigeous _RHA 23:32, 18 August 2007 (BST)

You are free to use (read: steal) my wiki code and use it for yourself. I like sharing and when I first started I liked "borrowing", until I got the knack of things. The key here is that I created the navigation template (at the top of my user page) as a sub-page of my user wikipage. You can find it here. From there you can edit the hex colour codes and then simply use it like any other template. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask and I'll do my best to answer them. --Mobius187 August 30 2007, 7:46 AM (EST)

Gregg bayes

He's already been reported, and warned for that. Please don't just let those slid though... I know it doesn't seem worth reporting, but as you can see if you look through his contributions, he did it to more than just the one page (and others don't watch their pages, or know what to do about fixing his mess). Even if you just have a quiet word on their talk pages informing them of the rules (and check there's no un-reverted vandalism in the contributions) The preceding signed comment was added by boxy (talk • contribs) at 13:38 13 August 2007 (BST)

I know I really should have told him up front to stop messing around on other group's wikipages, but I'm just too kind hearted. Curse this loveable nature of mine! Hopefully he's learned his lesson. --Mobius187 August 13 2007, 8:47 AM (EST)

PDA forums

Hey Mobius, i would love if you could sign up on our forums, and say hello? :D --LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 22:01, 9 August 2007 (BST)

Sorry, but I'm trying to cut back on all forums (i.e. no more forum posts is my goal). So I'll have to respectfully decline. --Mobius187 August 10, 8:12 AM (EST)

ShinobiSlider

Actually, I did just that. I went back to the history and found the unmolested source, and restored the page. Thanks though!

Well I'm glad to hear that your problem was resolved. --Mobius187 August 1 2007, 8:18 AM (EST)

"Pirated"

Hey there, I have used the template that you have used for your user profile on my user profile- I hope thats okay with you. --Blanemcc

It's a free world, or wiki, whichever you prefer. Have fun with it. :) --Mobius187 August 1 2007, 10:45 AM (EST)

Contact Database

Hey Mobius, i've created something I feel will benefit the UD community, the Contact Database, and would love if you could help me promote it and add your details to it. I feel this will help people co-ordinate attacks, heals, revives, and just generally keep Malton connected.LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 17:48, 31 July 2007 (BST)

I'll take a look. Yay for short replies. ;) --Mobius187 July 31 2007, 1:02 PM (EST)

SweetHikari

I am SweetHikari. She is my Dulston alt and with all "due respect", I do not recognise the authority of the DA or any group for that matter (including my own, of which there are 3). You do not own the game, you do not have formal authority, and you and your little Duston groups telling me "where I can and can't go" is absolute BS. SweetHikari is no longer a vandal. She has obviously payed for her crimes many times over, (my death count for her is 72 vs. MAYBE 20 generators destroyed) and wants to exist in peace in Dulston. However, the DA has seemingly instated itself as the law in the suburb. The DA is arrogant and rude, and continously kills me with the excuse that I am a vandal, despite the fact I have not destroyed a single generator since May. Thats right, two months. I could move to a new suburb, but frankly I'm not going to purely out of defiance. I refuse to go through with your stupid process because as I said before, I have no respect whatsoever for the DA or its so-called "authority". When it comes down to it, its just a game. No laws, no stupid rules. Just a a game. And the DA is making it not fun to play. So, I can and will continue to edit myself out of your blacklist because I do not belong there. (Remember, 72 deaths vs. less than half as many gens destroyed). That is perfectly acceptable and allowed in the wiki rules as I am changing nothing other than my own name. If you're a decent person you will cease to add my name to it and maybe earn a little of my respect. Perhaps even my membership in the future (provided the members stop behaving like pompous pigs that are better than everyone). If not you're just being difficult, and since I have a reputation as such already and have been overly punished, then SweetHikari will become a full time GKer making life more tedious for the Alliance. Izumi Orimoto 20:46, 27 July 2007 (BST)

Hello Izumi, let me begin by saying that I have your best interests at heart, but that you will most certainly not like everything that I have to say to you. Please keep in mind that it is not my intention to offend or upset you, but rather to present the facts as they stand so as to better inform you. You must have realized that the Dulston Alliance has set rules which they follow within the confines of their organization structure, the fact that you do not wish to play by these rules hardly exempts SweetHikari from her current predicament. With the exception that now you are tampering with the UD Wiki. As I have already made abundantly clear, the Dulston Alliance wikipages are considered "group" or "organization" wikipages, an organization I might add that you are not associated with, and as such you have no authority or right to tamper with their contents. As you have failed to heed my perfectly sensible suggestions and chosen to ignore my warning towards your previous illegal actions (ones I overlooked for the time being) I have no other recourse but to lodge a formal complaint for punitive action against for your acts of vandalism. An act, which considering the past crimes SweetHikari has committed, seems somewhat ironic.

That aside, you should be aware that SweetHikari stands among those who have been accused of crimes associated with PKing and GKing, different crimes yes, but both which hold the same sentence: death. Whether or not you care for these rules or laws is hardly the point as SweetHikari will face her punishment for them. As you have pointed out the Alliance does not "own" UD, but then the RRF doesn't own Ridleybank... and yet does that stop them from claiming it with an iron fist? Hardly. They do so because they can and control it in their own way, and so to does the Alliance choose to punish criminals within its territories so as to deter the criminal and others from committing similar crimes in those suburbs. Whether SweetHikari has really been executed 72 times is debatable, but is not relevant here as all Black List crimes are enforced "ad infinitum" (for infinity). This is as it was set by the original founders of the Alliance in early-2006, so there is no set limit for the number of times a criminal will be executed. I know you may find that unjust, but if so may I ask where your sense of morality was when SweetHikari went around destroying generators other survivors spent hard AP searching for and fueling? You only complain now because you're being punished for those crimes long after you grew tired of playing UD that way.

So let me provide you once again with this list of facts:

1. You do not have the authority to edit the Dulston Alliance wikipages and to do so is vandalism.
2. SweetHikari may travel wherever she pleases, but if caught by an Alliance bounty hunter she will be executed.
3. SweetHikari will be executed "ad infinitum" for the crime of GKing.
4. SweetHikari will remain on the Black List until her crimes are appealed or she is forgiven for them.

Here is what you can do about this, and to be frank I am being very nice to inform you of all of these options, but that's just the kind of person I am (seriously):

1. Leave the NE Corner (Dulston, Rhodenbank, Rolt Heights, Pescodside). The Alliance will not pursue SweetHikari, as the goal of the Black List is to force offenders to either "make good" or leave and the Alliance does not to pursue criminals (i.e. not like the Malton Marshals).
2. Become a zombie, as zombies are often not punished for Black List crimes. Once SweetHikari has "Brain Rot" she will be removed from the list if no recent GKer/PKer crimes were committed by her.
3. Report anyone who kills SweetHikari to the Rogues Gallery, which will place bounties on their heads, and might dissuade some from hunting her. Warning: I would caution that some Alliance bounty hunters might take this as a personal insult (salt in the wounds, so to speak) and make her a "target of choice". What this means is if they had to choose between 2 targets, she would be selected automatically.

I hope that you do not take offence to any of this, as I am attempting to stay neutral here. I no longer play UD (read below) and strictly work on the UD Wiki now. I have no vested interest in anything that happens in UD, but I do keep the best interests of those who I have worked with at heart. Please consider this and your actions carefully before committing to anything you may regret. I strongly advise that if you really do wish to set aside SweetHikari's past criminal record you should contact the Alliance and plead your case to them. Also, you may choose to contact DITPS on their forum and make a similar request for a truce, as I gather they are responsible for most of your executions. They have a long memory and you are even the topic of one of their active threads. --Mobius187 July 27 2007, 5:31 PM (EST)

As I have said before, I have no intention to abide by DA process, on the grounds that its just plain silly. That said I also have no intention to cause any problems, either on the wiki or destroying generators (and also, I may be accused of it but I have never killed another player with SweetHikari. Mostly because she isn't strong enough). However, I stand for myself and refuse to continue to be treated as a criminal "ad infinitum". I have long been 'reformed' and have no desire to cause any more problems, so to continue to kill me is just the Dulston Alliance having fun being griefers. According to your policy, a person could destroy a single generator and continue to be executed for years on end unless he decided to beg for mercy. I don't know if you know this, but I'm very stubborn. So I will never back down, and as far as what happens from this point its the DA's call. Also, it is NOT against wiki rules to remove your own name from a page, be it group or otherwise. I know you probably believe you are more intelligent than me, but you are sadly mistaken. I don't dislike you or have any wish to offend you either. However, I will continue to take my name off of the list purely because I 'can'. Sorry for the inconvienience. --Izumi Orimoto 22:51, 27 July 2007 (BST)

Please note you have not be accused of PKing, your only crimes are GKing and Assault (implied by DITPS membership, but not formally submitted). Assault is a crime by which you attack a member of an Alliance group injuring, but not killing them. Regardless, GKing is an executable offence. I would ask in what way has SweetHikari been "reformed"? You claim to have given up GKing, and yet you make no effort to excuse yourself for your past crimes to the organization that hunts you. I find your mentality somewhat childish as I have attempted to provide you with valid solutions, but you have persisted in ignoring them. Fair enough, I will follow proper channels and request that you be punished under UD Wiki rules, even though the concept of rules appears to be a foreign idea to you when they do not suit your whims. If you persist I do not doubt you will eventually be banned from the UD Wiki. I have given you fair warning... --Mobius187 July 27 2007, 6:38 PM (EST)

Yes, you have. I appreciate it. But I'm not being childish, you simply do not understand the entire situation. I have told members of the Dulston Alliance before that I apologize for GKing and no longer destroy generators. They tell me I'm not welcome in Dulston (Which is odd, I never knew that players could determine where other players are and are not 'welcome') and proceed to shoot me until dead. This process has repeated itself over and over and I'm tired of it. Izumi Orimoto 23:46, 27 July 2007 (BST)

I must disagree, I understand the situation perfectly. It is you who have out-stepped the bounds of your authority in this matter. As I mentioned before there are things you can and cannot do here in the UD Wiki, and rather than take up too much more of my time I have requested a Mod I know to judge on the matter of the vandalism claim I made. That will settle this much faster than our continuous edits.

Also, the Dulston Alliance does not command dominion over UD, but where there is a collective will you will find there is always a way. While a player can no longer (removed due to cheating) decide which suburb they initially appear every player can choose where they go from there. SweetHikari has Free Running and can easily move her way through the suburbs with little risk to herself. You therefore can choose where you wish to be. Just as the Alliance chooses how to punish criminals. These are facts, whether or not you like or dislike them does not change them in any way. I think that is all there needs to be said on this matter unless you wish to change your tune, but as you have already pointed out, you are very stubborn. A shame. --Mobius187 July 27 2007, 7:00 PM (EST)

I didn't mean to be rude, I apologize if I offended you. I didn't make a great first impression, please know that I'm not usually like this, I'm just incredibly frustrated with the whole situation. Izumi Orimoto 00:29, 28 July 2007 (BST)

(Sigh) I too have become frustrated with all of this. Personally I would prefer not to have this go through the trouble of arbitration, if only because I know that it will only serve waste more of my free time. Not that I minded taking the time to advise you of your options, but if we compare when this all started and now... well this has pretty much blown my after-work plans to edit the rest of the suburb wikipages with the new "group category" template I had created. Not to mention the aforementioned frustration. Also, I would like to know your reasons for having your character link removed... is it a hope that this will stop you from being hunted? If so I hope you realize that your profile link is recorded elsewhere and even if it's removed from the wiki so long as Dulston Alliance members choose to, they will continue to hunt SweetHikari. It won't end that simply. It's for this very reason that I suggested for you to ask them to remove it. By "them" I mean the Dulston Alliance and not me because I'm not in the Dulston Alliance, I just manage their wikipages. Which is why I do not like people tampering with them. --Mobius187 July 27 2007, 7:43 PM (EST)

Groups Removed from the Yagoton Wiki

You removed the "Armageddon Riders" and the "First Earth Battalion" from the Yagoton Wiki, believing that as groups they didn't exist and/or were defunct because of no wiki pages, as well as The Tuesday Club. In actuality, the said groups exist, but do not have their own wiki pages. As such, I will probably be re-adding the Armageddon Riders to the list, although the First Earth Battalion and the Tuesday Club will stay removed, as they have left the area. Just letting you know.--Private Mark 04:38, 27 July 2007 (BST)

Thanks, that's exactly what I hoped would happen in such a case. I felt it necessary to add the "gone?" comment to all my edits where I removed groups from the list as I'm updating suburbs that I have no personal knowledge of and therefore run the risk to deleting a group that actually does still exist. You should most certainly add them back. After I've completed updating every suburb with the new group category template I will have the difficult job of trying to figure out which groups still are, or no longer are, in a specific suburb... some groups just don't clean up after themselves when they move around. Sigh. --Mobius187 July 27 2007, 7:50 AM (EST)

Your welcome. Glad that there's an understanding. I found it strange that you would be editing groups for suburbs as far away as ours... which reminds me, a little bit off topic, but how is Dulston?--Private Mark 23:29, 27 July 2007 (BST)

Promotion?

I see you are up for promotion(and don't want to read through all the discussion with Boxy). I find this strange because I could swear you said you were leaving and were largely tired/bored with UD. --Karek^maps?! 02:21, 27 July 2007 (BST)

I was, and I can say, without fear of contradiction, that I don't play UD anymore. As you can see in the topic just below this one I made sure that my appointment (if confirmed) would not bind me into any specific administrative services. I don't need a new job after all. Boxy confirmed this role would just grant me additional abilities by which to edit the UD Wiki. I may still leave the UD Wiki, but for now I'm behind the new "group headers" initiative for the suburb wikipages. I have just 2 more suburb columns before I'm done that though. After that, who knows? All I know is, I'm not getting involved with any in-game events (i.e. Biertag or strategy sessions. --Mobius187 July 26 2007, 9:25 PM (EST)

Suburb Group Categories

hum, ok, you have come with a way to split the group list in the suburb box in 3. Fine, i can live with that. But i can't live with the way you are actually doing it. Let's say i want to change your colors to a more pastel tone, one that matches the entire style of the template. Oops, i'll have to edit all suburb pages to fix that. Now, let's say i change the template. I add a {{{few|}}} {{{more|}}} {{{variables|}}} to it, {{check if|{{{they|}}}|are set}} and then we get a template that changes to match our needs in the wiki, showing a the group list AND said list splitted in categories if this feature is set inside the template call. That said, ill revert any of yours edit to suburb pages that i find you editing with your current method. Improve the suburb template, make the styles match, and then you can edit suburb pages. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 04:54, 24 July 2007 (BST)

well, i thought the rolling back your actions would solve many of these pages. It didnt. Damn. Since i am kind of busy, i would have to leave this for another time >_>. Lalalala. Anyway, if a group doesnt have a logo in the group listing, dont create one yourself. The RRF logo sucks big time! --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 05:02, 24 July 2007 (BST)

I place all the blame soundly on the RRF for not having a good "square" logo in the first place. :P But seriously, it's hit and miss with the thumbnail icons. Take Red Rum, I created a thumbnail icon for them and they loved it so much several of their members have since added it to their sigs (I believe it's mentioned in my Talk compliments section). I didn't think the RRF's icon was all that bad, but I stand by the fact that if they don't like it they have every right to replace it with something more to their liking. Maybe a bad icon might spur them into action. Of course I do have a back-up icon, the "golden question mark", for any group without a logo or without a clue as to what their logo should be. I'm not a mind reader after all. If a group has a logo in their group wikipage then I prefer to use that or something strongly indicative of it. Again, every group has the right to change it if they care to do so. Some really don't care. On the matter of the template, yes, that would solve the problem of "suburb-wide control". I should point out that originally this was at first limited to just one suburb (at the request of another user) and then slowly spread outwards as I grew to like the idea. As you are busy I'll see about creating a template. Do you have the hex codes for the pastel colours you wanted me to use? No matter, I'll use the ones I've selected for now and then you can update the template later. I hope your pastels you have in mind are not so light as to cause the titles to be overlooked (as hard as that might seem). Okay... so I'm off to build a template which I will test in Dulston. --Mobius187 July 24 2007, 7:59 AM (EST)

Okay, I hammered out a template that looks exactly like the previous layout, only the headers are now in the template along with the colour control for them. Before I go around updating every suburb wikipage I wanted to show it to you for your opinion. The one problem I couldn't fix was the initial bullet for each list... it appears as an asterisk (text). I managed to get around this with the HTML paragraph tags, but for some reason I can't get them to work on the template side, as the fix only works if I add them on the suburb wikipage. I don't like it, and if you have a solution to fix this let me know. I'll try and think of a template-side solution in the meantime. Once we've completed the template then I'll start updating each suburb (you don't need to worry about it, less work for you).

On a side note, I added replacement text, as I like to call it, for when no value is inputted for any one of the header sections (i.e. no groups). The problem is this only appears if everything, including the template variable (i.e. survivor_group =) is not there. That's a bit of a pain, as I would hate to see that text removed. I suppose there's no other way to get the replacement text to appear (i.e. Only feral zombies...)? --Mobius187 July 24 2007, 9:41 AM (EST)

Take a look at here and here. When i asked you to edit the template, i really meant the suburb template, not an additional one. This way you have only ONE template behind the list of gorups, not one inside another. The colors are still not right, you could try some colors that looks like the main page navigation template]. I just read a rather big book, and my eyes are kind of tired now (i am typing this barely looking at the screen, and when i do its only a few inches from it), so i'll leave the work of fixing the colors for you. I trust your judgemeant.

Sadly, there is no way to solve the problem with sections whitout groups listed to disappear once its variable is set in the template call. Several templates could be improved if there were a way to do it.

Ow. About group images in the list. I find them highly annoying, since they polute a system that should serve only to list a few mames. If a group doesnt have a logo for itself, dont create one or add an big golden question mark for it. For the sake of aesthetics, it would be a lot better if there werent any logos.

And about the RRF logo, they do have one. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[cloned] [mod]} 03:02, 25 July 2007 (BST)

Ah, well I can certainly do that... but I think we should do this in stages. If I edit the Suburb template to incorporate the SuburbGroups template code then suddenly every suburb in Malton would have a mess on their hands and I'm not sure I would have the time to sort out every group and fix every suburb within a reasonable period. I would therefore recommend a 2-step process whereby in phase 1 I use the template I created to sort each suburb's groups, then in phase 2 I edit the suburb template and then all we need to do is delete the SuburbGroups template name and braces from around the values. That will be a lot less work to fix for each suburb. I'll see about toning down the colours of the headers, but I'll need to be at home in order to do that as determining precise Hex colour codes is easier with Photoshop. As for the RRF, I do recall that logo now that you mention it and it could be used for the suburb listing.

On the matter of whether or not icons should be used to denote each groups, that's still up in the air. Perhaps that's a call the mods should make or vote on. I was always pro-icon, because it looked nice, but I do know of one other user who hated them. I think the cons against them are the space they use up (leads to increased text wrapping) and the fact that not every group has an icon for their group. The pros are that they add visual interest to the usual "meat and potatoes" of the suburb wikipage and they have the potential for instant recognition, especially among groups that share similar names. Personally it's a toss up for me, as my only real vested interest is the dozens of group icons I've made over the months. :P

In summary, I'll begin by replacing the old code I added to each suburb wikipage with the SuburbGroups template. Then after that is in place for every suburb we can update the Suburb template to incorporate the values from the SuburbGroup's template and then proceed with deleting all references to the SuburbGroups template, but leaving the values. Then, after that's done, we can play around with the header colours, toning them down until they suit the UD Wiki style better. Let me know what you think. --Mobius187 July 25 2007, 9:50 AM (EST)

Hi my name's Nick - I'm guessing I'm the "another user" that posed the idea of group categories. I just wanted to, well, get a little credit for myself and Jed, but also bring your attention to this. I've been discussing the category names with the local groups in Santlerville and it seems to me that the term "hostile" isn't fitting as a group category as it depends on who you are. Please read the discussion (it's not very long) and add your thoughts as I think the "hostile" category has the potential to be (perhaps) insulting to certain groups. It would appear (although I'm not down with the advanced wiki editing techniques) that "hostile" could be easily changed to something more suitable (such as "criminal" groups, or something to that effect). I love how people (mostly you, I see) have improved on my idea and incorporated it so well into the suburb pages, but I feel it could be slightly improved. Love the colours by the way.--Nallan 11:27, 27 July 2007 (BST)

Janitorial Duties

Hi Mobius, would you be willing to accept a nomination for a sysops position if I nominated you? -- boxy ^{T Nuts block it! DA} 13:09, 26 July 2007 (BST)

You make it sound so classy! Truthfully I'm not sure if I want to get bogged down in administrative duties, not that I know what those duties would be because for some reason I can't seem to find a list of them anywhere. Maybe if you detailed what was involved? Right now all I'm doing is a little restructuring of the group categories... which you may have noticed. Hagnat has been helping out with some useful advice that only comes off as semi-derogatory which I blame on the fact that he's apparently always dead tired when he signs into the UD Wiki. :P But seriously, he's been helpful and soon I'll edit the Suburb wikipage to include my work (that's Phase 3). I'm also very much off-topic. In summary, please provide the duties involved with being a sysop and I'll think about it. --Mobius187 July 26 2007, 8:22 AM (EST)

Indeed. You are well served to be reticent. Basically, sysop status gives you a few extra abilities, but whether you choose to use them, well that's up to you. Sysops gain the ability to move pages (the most useful ability I've found), check IP details of suspicious posters, warn/ban troublesome posters, and delete pages and that's pretty much it... If you're not interested in getting involved in the A/VB side of sysops duties, then I don't think you need worry about it. Most sysops don't worry about that side of the "job". If the community see you as a trustworthy member, intent on improving the wiki, that's enough to give you the right to move and delete pages for the good of the wiki, as long as they're convinced that you won't bring any drama baggage with you (and you don't bring any baggage at all, AFAI can see). To be frank, I don't expect you to get involved in the drama side of wiki life. Just keep doing what you're doing, with the extra abilities -- boxy ^{T Nuts block it! DA} 15:26, 26 July 2007 (BST)

If that's the case then I'll accept the nomination. On the matter of warning/banning users, I would like it if you might direct me to any recommended reading as to the exact guidelines by which this power is to be used. I wouldn't want to do anything that might be construed as abusing or misusing it. Initially I will probably still ask for your opinion on any such cases before passing judgment, as you would have more experience dealing with users who have broken these rules (or not, as the case may be). Let me know if there's anything you need me to do, as for now I'm heading back to the suburb wikipages to edit the group lists some more... --Mobius187 July 26 2007, 11:10 AM (EST)

A good place to start is the guidelines page, which sets out what admins can do. Anyway, I'll start a promotion bid for you, and we'll see what the community thinks, eh :) -- boxy ^{T Nuts block it! DA} 01:37, 27 July 2007 (BST)

It would probably be a good idea for you to indicate your acceptance of the nomination (just below my original nomination on the A/PM page), and perhaps indicate your plans for your future on the wiki, seeing as they have been questioned. I personally don't have a problem with you saying you may leave anytime, as long as you let us know, and resign as a sysops before you go (if your bid is successful, and you are promoted) -- boxy ^{T Nuts block it! DA} 16:37, 27 July 2007 (BST)

"The End is back!"

Well, I was browsing the wiki and I went to the un-deletions page, and found this. Tell me what you think. --Evildemon989 ^{Talk · Help · W! · P! · SU! · TJ! · Hai!} 15:56, 17 July 2007 (BST)

I was monitoring them from a while back, as for some reason I had their wikipage tagged as "Watch", but since then they've updated it to show that they have, in fact, moved far, far, away... over to Mornington. Talk about taking a long walk! I can only assume when the Dulston Alliance kicks someone's ass they kick them very far. ;) --Mobius187 July 17 2007, 11:01 AM (EST)

EDIT: But if you're looking for PKer threats... how about DORIS? A DORIS member just added them back to Dulston's suburb groups. --Mobius187 July 17 2007, 11:03 AM (EST)

Yes, I saw the DORIS threat. And that is a hell of a walk! --Evildemon989 ^{Talk · Help · W! · P! · SU! · TJ! · Hai!} 04:49, 23 July 2007 (BST)

"Revive??"

If you happen to be in Dulston do you think you could revive me? I'm outside Club Garret right now in the far SW corner. I'll keep you updated on my location but expect me to be there at least until tomorrow. Thanks in advance.--Bruce1nR 02:26, 7 July 2007 (BST)

If you're looking to be revived I would personally suggest standing at Duport Avenue and posting a request on the DEM tool. It's really the fastest way to be revived in Dulston. Also, try not to stand outside buildings... it makes you look "hostile". --Mobius187 July 6 2007, 11:12 PM (EST)

Yeah, well I just took a headshot so I'll be down and out for a while...--Bruce1nR 18:34, 7 July 2007 (BST)

"Attack on Dulston"

It seems some PKer group is planning on getting something started and it would seem Dulston may be in line for a little bloodbath. From what I can gather we've got Zombies in the NE and Pkers in the SW....over.--Bruce1nR 15:53, 2 July 2007 (BST)

Well that at depends on which group of PKers. There are dangerous PKers like Red Rum, and then there are small groups of PKers like Maris Viridis, and then there are lame PKers like SARG. If it's the 2nd or 3rd categories it shouldn't be a problem. Still, thanks for the warning. --Mobius187 July 2 2007, 10:56 AM (EST)

"Borrowed"

Hi, I stole your layout but I was wondering if you might be able to do a little clean up for me on it because I am not a master of coding like you are...teach me to edit the colors maybe and fix the bar that goes across into the table that I (you) had. Don't feel like you have to, just asking. --Bruce1nR 01:17, 26 June 2007 (BST)

Not stole, you "borrowed". I'll take a look and see what I can do. ;) --Mobius187 June 26 2007, 7:40 AM (EST)

Done and done. Of course I'll assume you only "inadvertantly borrowed" Caleb's floating head and had actually meant to replace it with something else of your own. Caleb needs his head and there's only one to be had ;). I also renamed your section to "Deep Thoughts". Feel free to perform a Google search for "Jack Handy" and you should find something for that section, that or rename it to something more your own style. Like how about some photographs of your tags or something. Anyway, have fun. --Mobius187 June 26 2007, 8:25 AM (EST)

No, I plan on keeping it (the layout) I'm pretty sure I stole it.....thanks-a-very much for your hard work, I never woulda been able to do it myself...how did you know red was my favorite color?--Bruce1nR 15:38, 26 June 2007 (BST)

I didn't, but I sure as hell wasn't going to let you keep using my lovely shade of cyan blue, that's for sure! It's for NT scientists only (or that's my claim and I dare you to try disproving it)! Anyway, good luck! ;P --Mobius187 June 26 2007, 11:53 AM (EST)

NT updates

Hi. Just a little thing. When you update the Building Status at (nic) please update the NT Status Map too. thanks. -- /// goebi^{TalkHelp/LFS/SR/NT/_MWP} /// 13:06, 25 June 2007 (BST)

I figured this would come up sooner or later. In my opinion there should be a better way of handling the overall NT building status than the current method. By that I am of course referring to the colour of each NTs GPS coordinates on the NT Status Map. In my opinion you might want to discuss removing the GPS coordinates and instead replacing them with a link to the Necrotech Information Center section for that suburb. For example, for Dulston simply link to here. That way if someone wants to check on the status of the NT buildings all they have to do is hit the link and be taken there. This then makes it easier for the person updating the status of the NT buildings as they only need to update the one profile and it's also less redundant. I can only imagine how vexing the current method is if an NT building is under siege, going from secured/powered, to ransacked, to secured/unpowered, to secured/powered, to ransacked... all in a single day. I'm just happy the suburbs I watch don't change that often (or at least that I'm not there to witness it). --Mobius187 June 25 2007, 8:37 AM (EST)

Rolt Heights War Page

Any plans on making a page about the Rolt Heights War? I'm sure you'd do a good job and I'd like to nominate it as an event for historical status. (This is Mark Fredrick, by the way. In my natural undead state.) --Gut stench ^{FU BAR} 04:21, 23 June 2007 (BST)

I might. It really wasn't on my list of things to do, originally, but now that you mention it it might be worthwhile. It all depends on if I have enough time. --Mobius187 June 23 2007, 8:50 PM (EST)

NE NecroNet Reporting

I'm close to entering into an agreement with Liberal Pi, the gentleman who posted a report from Dunningwood a few weeks back. I've encouraged him to start broadcasting reports from the the Carlyle Building, Devonshire Building, Starr Building, and Wallbutton Building in Rhodenbank. Perhaps we might have a day when the entire NE corner can monitor zombie migration freely and accurately. --Ottari

At this rate I'll need a comments section for NT reports ;). I'm glad to hear that you have been working to expand the NecroNet reports being issued to other suburbs. I know I for one would like to see from Dulston, especially due to the current zombie problems taking place there. So far though the only reports are those coming from the ELT stationed at the Whitlock Building. On a side note, since you report from various NT buildings have you been updating the wikipage status templates for them? All you need to do is select "Update" for them, and then on the wikipage they link you to just Edit the status of the NT building (barricaded? powered? zombies inside/out?). I recommend not posting how many survivors are inside. Zombies can apparently read. --Mobius187 June 18 2007, 12:51 PM (EST)

I'll begin updating the status more frequently, in addition to the recent news section. The number of survivors inside won't sneak its way in. If we could get reports up for Dulston as well, that would cover a generous portion of the NE corner. I think Liberal Pi and I might need to do some scouting first to see how many buildings in Rhodenbank are operation. Now that power and barricades have been restored to PDA structures... I should have a little more time to dedicate to this endeavor. --Ottari

Liberal Pi and I have tried coordinating our reports, though we have left the ELT's building alone and find ourselves currently unable to operate in the Trood and Beale buildings due to lack of power. Still, we've had some success. I did have an idea to run by you though. What would you think about a page for the Dulston Alliance, similar to the one you created for the PDA scans, with the report from every NT building in the NE corner posted and the most recent commentary on zed numbers. If you could make such a page, Liberal Pi and I would try to maintain it. --Ottari

I'm working on it... but I've made it a sub-page of a news network organization I started a month ago (pet project). At the same time I'm thinking about making your job easier by turning the current table I'm going to use into a template similar to the NT Building Status template used by all NT buildings. But it's turning to be a bit more work than I expected. I'll let you know when it's ready. --Mobius187 July 5 2007, 3:05 PM (EST)

NT Reporting and PKing

Just giving you a heads up... The Farbrother War is interfering with NT reports from the suburb though I do know zed numbers are starting trending upwards with some ten in the area around the Farbrother building and the Featherstone Library. Do you think there's any chance the Dulston Alliance would join in, bringing their weight to bear against the combined forces of Maris Varidis and SARG? If you wish to talk to me further, I had planned to horde syringes but break-ins at Necrotech facilities across the suburb have forced a retreat to Treweeke. The cold grasp of death, of murder, is coming down on Pescodside. I can only hope it passes swiftly and sparingly, that our beer supply might be intact and we can celebrate the coming of Biertag in true Malton form. - Ottari

The Dulston Alliance is already aware of the so-called Farbrother War. I have informed allies of this fact, but it is up to them to decide how they handle the matter as I am only a diplomat. Each group's leaders must decide whether they wish to commit forces and how many. --Mobius187 June 16 2007, 5:16 PM (EST)

Historical Groups

Yeah, looks like voting is ended, and it just squeaked in, eh. Not that I have a lot to do with the maintenance of that page -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 23:23, 30 May 2007 (BST)

Yup. I prepped the group wikipage pretty well for this, as I was the only one maintaining it for some time now, so I figured no one would step in to complain. The only real shame is I didn't know the DDDS all that well or I would have written more historical information. Ah well. So, are you going to change the tag informing everyone that voting has ended and the group is officially "historical" or should I? Once that's done I plan to take steps elsewhere to account for the event. --Mobius187 May 30 2007, 6:37 PM (EST)

Done -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 03:01, 31 May 2007 (BST)

User:NTstatus/Dulston

	NT Mappers
	This user helps to maintain or update the NT Status Map.

Thanks for your update! There's just a few minor tweaks I made:

• The NT Staus Map data line has a date entry; I updated that to May 30.
• I put the buildings you makred "unknown" back to their previous status. The nic info shown on the User:NTstatus/Dulston page is only three days old, so it's good enough to carry for a while. I'd generally prefer to see posted info left as is, unless it is determined to be more than a week old. --Seb_Wiers Imagine 23:41, 30 May 2007 (BST)

Your post on the MFD page

In truth the wiki is not the best way to reach us or any commanders in the MFD. Also much more so these days you generally don't just deal with the MFD but the DEM as a whole. And just so ya know the best way to get ahold of us and discuss things like this is on our forums...come there post this again and I'm sure you'll get more of a response.(our forums are listed on the front page)--Kristi of the Dead 02:43, 26 May 2007 (BST)

Thanks. I'll pursue this on the DEM forums then. I originally attempted to contact the MFD and MCDU separately because the Dulston Alliance had the original treaties recorded in that manner, and not with the DEM. Those alliances must be older than I had even originally suspected. Hopefully though ally talks will progress faster than the ones I'm in with the U.S. ARMY INFANTRY. That's taking much longer than I expected for a low-level treaty, but I suppose you can't rush these things. --Mobius187 May 25 2007, 9:50 PM (EST)

Well, as I understand it, the USAI applied to be strategic partners. That is inherently an extremely close relationship with the entire DEM, sharing intel, member lists and full access to the DEM's tools. That process takes far than any other sort of more general alliance and requires careful consideration, on both sides, as being a Strategic Partner means agreeing to functionally adopt and adhere to the basic DEM Policies. It also requires a 2/3 vote in favor in the DEM Leadership Council.

As for a more general alliance, the DEM considers itself in what I believe you referred to as a non-aggression pact will all unequivically pro-survivor groups. And we are always eager to work with other survivor groups our staff is operating in the area of. You can publicly affirm such a relationship on the wiki, both on your groups page and the DEM page at your discretion. There is also a DEM Ally Category you can add yourself to and a template for a small 'flag box' to display your alliance, which automatically adds you to the category.

There is additionally however an intermediate alliance between the two discussed above. This simply indicates a more formal and active working relationship. In general it will mean at least one member of the DEM joining your groups forum or such (if one exists) with at least basic privileges to act as a liaison. And of course at least one member of your group joining the brainstock forum (if you didn't already have an account). Anyone with an account on brainstock that is confirmed as a member of such an allied group gets flagged as such on the forum and access to a special area reserved for allies where intelligence can be exchanged and joint operations planned. It also provides access to a few special tools on our website.

Hopefully that helps explain everything! Hmm, perhaps I should add this comment to the DEM discussion page? ;) --Gilant ^talk-DEM 21:25, 26 May 2007 (BST)

Thanks. I believe this does help explain the situation. I have started a thread on the DEM forum and so far things are moving along nicely. Kristi of the Dead has supplied me with similar information about the alliances the DEM form, and at this time it appears the Dulston Alliance will most likely fall under the "Friends & Allies" ally level. I'll also check on template you mentioned. --Mobius187 May 26 2007, 5:02 PM (EST)

TNT07

Well, if he did join, it's not under his name because "ahzid" isn't a registered member on the TNT board. By the way, I quit just now, so you might want to talk to Swiers.--Labine50 ^MH|^ME|^TNT'07 18:46, 5 May 2007 (BST)

Something Random!

I will give you a rat if you vote for Murray Jay.--Lachryma^☭ 00:50, 18 April 2007 (BST)

Malton Hospitals Group

You have certain info that FOXHOUND is no longer running St. Anacletus's Hospital? You can't just take a hospital from one group to your's, least unless you can prove that they no longer run it. Second thing would be... Learn to sign! Correct timestamp would be 15:06, 24 March 2007 (well maybe 16:06, 24 March 2007, I'm not sure 'bout the daylight saving times) but NOT 12:00, 23 March 2007. Thanks. --Niilomaan ^GRR!•M! 14:28, 25 March 2007 (BST)

Actually I have no proof that FOXHOUND is not at the hospital anymore, but these days it is nearly impossible to get in contact FOXHOUND. As I deal with local news in the NE Corner I was privy to the fact that a local/active group (D.I.T.P.S) had claimed the hospital. As such, you are more than welcome to include joint ownership between both groups over the hospital if I was being too hasty by removing them from that hospital. Second, please do not assume I do not know how to timestamp, I do, but I wanted to place a timestamp symbolizing when the group had claimed ownership of the building, and NOT, when I edited the list. As such, they had claimed ownership the previous day, so I provided a neutral time along those lines, as by the point in time when I listed their ownership they were already working at the hospital, so I assumed exact minutes/hours were not required. If you want to you could certainly check the hospital in question yourself to verify the actual time they claimed ownership of the building. I was under the impression I was doing your group a favor by keeping it informed of the hospital's new ownership, as I am not a member of the group who has claimed ownership of it. In the future though I will endeavor not to tamper with your list as I can see it has upset you. Let me know if you need anything else from me. --Mobius187 March 25 2007, 9:45 (EST).

I wanted to place a timestamp symbolizing when the group had claimed ownership of the building
Ok then. There are no strict rules for the list, I just like to keep it clean and exact. Seeing how you've been around for some time, I never thought that you actually couldn't do as a simple thing as signing. Sorry if you thought that I was being rude. Have a nice day. (Oh.. Removing the FOXHOUND wasn't nice, but if they are really active, they'll fix it.) --Niilomaan ^GRR!•M! 15:00, 25 March 2007 (BST)

I was just about to re-write my reply after I had a shower, to make it sound less like insane rambling, but I see you've already replied. Basically sometimes I "do things" which I think are in their best interests, but in this case it was wrong of me to assume FOXHOUND was not helping out at the hospital. It's just that they are completely off the radar in terms of public activity in Dulston these days. That's not to say they haven't been spotted, but I take for granted that their lack of activity on the Wiki or the Dulston Alliance forum symbolizes that they are no longer around, or at least not taking an interest in maintaining locations. This is a fact supported by another group claimed the suburb's phone mast after they found it unpowered and undefended. Still, long story short, feel free to add them back in. Maybe they do have a member there who is helping out and just not wiki-active. Personally I have no problem with them being included, that for sure, I just jumped the gun by removing them completely in the face of an active group like DITPS claiming the building. Also the signing issue, yeah, once again if I had bothered to simply leave the matter alone I'm sure a member of DITPS would have gotten around to signing their group up on your list and timestamped it accordingly, rather than my generic timestamp for the previous day. I usually just get wrapped up in location wikipages these days and when I spot a change I usually see how I can help out. Anywho, I'm sure we've talked this matter out to death, so for now on I think I'll keep those 2 items in mind if I should ever update the MHG wikipage again. On a side note, have you considered changing the grid map you have (indicating the number of hospitals claimed in each suburb) to use a more neutral background colour? Black notoriously makes it hard to read link text. That or include font tags around the number to change its colour. Just a thought. --Mobius187 March 25 2007, 10:31 AM (EST).

Lotsa text. Not sure what you meant with "black", but the dark red background doesn't even need to show the text that well, because it's enough if you know that the suburb has least 4 runned hospitals. --Niilomaan ^GRR!•M! 16:37, 25 March 2007 (BST)

I was referring to the City Map. You may want to consider perhaps changing the font colour for those links so they stand out more. I only say this because I encountered a similar problem when I redesigned the group wiki for Dead vs Blue. My solution, because I wanted to keep the black background, was to change the font colour of the links. Still, your call, but I wanted to mention it because it stuck out when I last visited the MHG wikipage. --Mobius187 March 25 2007, 7:08 PM (EST).

From a recent conversation I'm very sure that FOXHOUND is still active, so I added it again. There's a simple solution to several groups running one hospital, again, thank our friends in Edgecombe.--Labine50 ^MH|^ME|^TNT'07 01:31, 30 March 2007 (BST)

Well I'm glad to hear they are still knocking about, although as you can guess a bit surprised. Now if only they had a stronger Wiki-presence or popped into the Dulston Alliance forums every now and then. But that's neither here nor there. --Mobius187 March 29 2007, 8:38 PM (EST).

Sex Possy: Overdone?

I noticed that you've placed a generic message telling us to all be scared to death over the Sex Possy taking over the clubs. In reality, is that such a bad thing? Honestly, when was the last time you saw the Dulston Alliance taking special care of Club Cocker, or Club Hagan? If they can help maintain the buildings and if they manage to keep us entertained, I don't see the problem.

On a seperate note, I'm beggining to notice that more and more survivor groups of the Northeast aren't joining up with the Dulston Alliance (i.e. Newgrounds, The Burchell Arms Regulars). Do you think this is cause for concern for the future, or do you think that the Dulston Alliance will be able to get out of the slump they're in right now? --Nomader ^T•RCDC 03:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Ack! Is that really what you thought I was saying? Man talk about being misleading. No, in no way did I mean to say "Beware of Sex Possy!". That would be silly (of me). Rather, I made that news post to deflect a recent wiki-based conflict stirring between two users. Not that I care THAT much, but hey I figured I would give it a shot. Simply put Sex Possy claimed ownership of several clubs, including Club Garrett. While no group had claimed ownership of that particular club, I believe Gaybait (user) from the gay survivor group Man Up had considered the club his and took offense when Sex Possy stepped in. Then he started posting anti-Sex Possy edits to all the club wiki locations that Sex Possy had claimed. For my part I simply wanted to keep everything neutral, which means non-slanderous news, on location wikipages (most of which I created after all). I suggested to Sex Possy that normally you can only really "claim" buildings equal to your total membership because the Wiki is supposed to represent useful information (i.e. if a group declares it's controlling a location survivors may choose to stay there thinking they'll be well protected, only no one is actually helping maintain that location's barricades... trouble can ensue). For the record though there is no rule that states a group can't claim more locations than it has members, so I posed my thoughts as only suggestions.

On the matter of the Dulston Alliance... you do realize I'm not a member right? :P But seriously, last I heard DvB was trying to approach some of the groups in Rolt Heights to see if they were interested in joining the Alliance. In the past the BAR has opposed joining the Alliance because they hate mall rats, and equated the Alliance's existing battle plans on defending the mall as... "stupid". No kind way of putting it. I believe though that after the way the Alliance handled Mall Tour '07 that a more "River Tactics" approach is no in play for the mall. If that's true then the Alliance's plan would need to be altered accordingly and maybe presented to the BAR to hear what they think. Maybe if they like it they may change their minds. As for Newgrounds, I'm told they're hard to reach (in-game at least). --Mobius187 March 22 2007, 8:15 AM (EST)

Ah, Man Up. They're the human group that uses the same forum as the Pwotters - I remember them when there was the whole seige of Hindmarsh about a year back... thrilling junk. But, in the end, such trivial things as the ownership of clubs are so un-important to the point I barely care. Still, I do believe the RCDC is the master of all buildings in Rhodenbank, so... that'll be fun. I guess. Not really... ugh, this is just such a dull thing to talk about...

Regarding the Dulston Alliance, I do know you're not a member - you're not really a member of any group, but you've pretty much posted more than anyone else on the Alliance forum and even drew up their charter... so much for a "non-member". With regards to BAR, if you want them to join up with the alliance, just tell them they don't have to defend the mall - hell, the RCDC'S help in defending the mall has been... maybe two guys? I still remember around the time the Mall Tour came through - the Alliance asked for the RCDC's help, and I assure you we didn't exactly go head over heels towards the mall. Personally, I always thought of the alliance as a loose organization of survivor groups in the Northeast, who would help coordinate each other, but not neccessarily "order" each other - it's against my group's way. Oh, and Newgrounds - I found my way to Urban Dead because of them, but I switched groups. It's not that they can't be contacted, it's just that the entire point of Newgrounds is to take almost nothing seriously. Therefore, silly and serious alliances are out of the question. --Nomader ^T•RCDC 20:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

The Last Stand - Accounted For!

I am sorry for 1) not exactly knowing where to put this message, and 2) for the delay in getting back to you. but, the answer to your question is YES! The Last Stand is still around. most of my members live in the same town as i do, and have been gone for a while. But we are back for the most part. --Jack Sorrows 20:07, 1 March 2007

Actually I had it figured out that your group was around already thanks mostly due to Dead vs Blue. They informed me that while you guys did not have a strong presence on the UD Wiki that you would contact other members of the Dulston Alliance via e-mail. I would strongly recommend that you post to the Dulston Alliance forum, as you have your own group section there... but it's unused. --Mobius187 March 1 2007, 4:35 PM (EST)

Hello, i dont know if you got my email on the DA board, but im currently watching over the wiki for Jack while hes at basic, just thought id tell ye- Xig2 write back, (oh im not on very often cuz of work, but im tryin to stay more in the game.

Ah, well that's good. Let me know if you need anything. --Mobius187 June 15 2007, 1:02 PM (EST)

Location, Location, and other stuff!

Well, I finally came to your favorite suburb of Dulston, and...yeah, it sucked. No offense, but I had high hopes for a fun siege at Treweeke...stupid Mall Tour...--Lachryma^☭ 04:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, you might have asked me and I would have warned you that Treweeke Mall wouldn't have stood long. I had already analyzed the key factors and they did not point to a victory, namely:

• The Dulston Alliance had been in decline over the past few months (losing survivors/groups).
• The Dulston Alliance, with greater numbers, had not succeeded in stopping the Big Bash.
• Treweeke Mall, by its placement in "DULLston", is not often the target of sieges.
• Fewer sieges meant the "mall rats" (i.e. mall defenders) were not experienced with mall counter-siege tactics.
• Few veteran survivors stay in Dulston because there is so little combat.
• PKers, namely DORIS, assisted Mall Tour '07 by attacking defending survivors.

So as you can see, I realized the mall would not last very long. In order for it to have remained standing we would either have needed greater numbers or more "mall siege" experience. Ah well. On the bright side, Dulston is still one of the safer suburbs and once order is restored you can rest at ease there. --Mobius187 10:24 AM, 3 March 2007

Hmmm...looks like you put some serious thought into that...makes sense though. At least y'all held out longer then Dowdney, that was sad.--Lachryma^☭ 19:13, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I believe the one comment I kept repeating during the mall siege, which appears in news posts and forum posts I made, was that the pride of Dulston demanded we last longer than Dowdney Mall. And we did, by a day or two. Of course Treweeke Mall is certainly not Stickling Mall. Then again, Stickling Mall is still in zombie hands while Treweeke Mall belongs to survivors just a day after it fell. Once again this points to the fact that none of the local zombies had the capability to threaten the mall, and thus it goes back to the problem with the mall's defenders being out of practice. As for my analysis of the situation, well, that's SCIENCE! --Mobius187 2:56 PM, 3 March 2007

Huh...well, I have high hopes for Nichols Mall, as its defenders have pretty competent in the recent past.--Lachryma^☭ 20:05, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

OLD My Work on Suburb Locations

Rolts - The Riddell Museum

Hey Mobius, thanks for adding the content to the pages(The Riddell Museum, Fanning Cinema, and Bromilow Library) I created a while back. The Museum has a collection of science exhibits, so my Scientist char uses it as a lab.(he also works the Hospitals and RP to the sw.. see my userpage) They're my first contributions to the wiki and kinda pet buildings.(of course I make no claim of ownership) Would you mind if I go back and touch some of it up? There are a few things in particular I'd like to do: move a little text to the top of the libraries page to fill the blank space, and reword some of the material. Thanks again for all your work, I greatly appreciate all your contributes.--Raystanwick 22:05, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I of course appreciate you asking me, but you have as much right to edit those wikipages as me. I have to admit I thought the descriptive text at the top was an interesting touch. In the past I've added the description provided in-game for certain buildings, but this was more than the usual 1-liners. So make whatever changes you like and I will also continue working on them too. Rest assured though, I do not delete content provided by other users, at most I edit, so you can rest assured the origins you placed for those buildings will stay "as is". The history for the library took on a "Cthulhu" turn in my last update, but I intend to limit that topic to the library only. Now I'm only in the initial stages of fixing-up Rolt Heights, but my past works include Dulston, Pescodside, and Rhodenbank (my last one, and still seeing some minor touches here and there). So by all means, have fun and add as much as you like to improve those locations. What you can expect to see from me are new images for the cinema and museum (450x290 standard). --Mobius187 March 24 2007, 7:09 PM (EST)

Hey! thanks for quick reply! I already have a pic for the cinema, if you don't mind. Check it out- Cant' wait to see your pic for the Museum.(try to use a science center type structure if you would, please, since that was kind of the inspiration for that page) btw, I can't figure out how to make that link just a link instead of a picture, sorry. Thanks again!--Raystanwick 23:26, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I actually don't think there is a way to just point to an image via link in the wiki, then again I have been proven wrong before (on the matter of link colors). I'm fine with that image, per say, only that it's not the same format as I normally use (450x290). I hope you won't mind, but I intend to adjust it, as that way it will match the same dimensions as every other location image I've created (well except 2...but that's another story). --Mobius187 March 24 2007, 7:30 PM (EST)

cool. yeh, adjust the size to fit the standard. if your good with the photoshop stuff, add the name in somewhere. (I like the Cthulu graffiti on the library pic!) I have some other photos of Planetariums, Ominimax theatres, and stuff... I'll upload them later and link them on my talkpage. Thanks again!--Raystanwick 02:01, 25 March 2007 (BST)

Mobius, I initially mistook your 4/1/07 (Fool's Day) edits as pranks... you say this in the edit-note for the Library: "Moved image to top of page. Descriptions work better below images, as the text has a visual reference."

I assume this was intended for me and is what prompts me to write this post now. I didn't want to reply with a note in a counter-edit. I explained the following above and I thought we had an understanding - when this is done the whole top left of a page is BLANK. It looks UGLY. When someone first visits the page that is what they see. I know nothing about webdesign/whatever, but even I can see that that space is valuable and should be put to better use. I made the flavor texts just long enough specifically to complement the location block template on the right. If the pic fit into the top-left corner it would be different.(something to consider before settling on a standard pic size) ONCE AGAIN, let me state that I WILL adjust these pages so they look better- if you continue to remove my work I will seek official mediation. --Raystanwick 13:01, 3 April 2007 (BST)

Hey Raystanwick, let me begin by saying I didn't know you were taking this matter so seriously. You really want to bring a mod into this? Well I've asked one for his opinion, as I've worked with him in the past on updating entire suburbs. Before you think this is some kind of "heavy handed" approach by me let me state that I think there is no "who owns what" for these locations, and I think he will agree. In that regards, and in the best interests of keeping things civil, I am more than willing to let you switch my edits back to yours. No arguments from me. See? I admit I had intended to leave you a real message explaining why I had formatted the wikipage the way I had, but was distracted that weekend. Truthfully I cannot see the blank area you are referring to... what browser/resolution are you using, could that be the problem or am I misunderstanding the issue?

I already conceded that there is no ownership- I don't know why you mention this. and I don't want to revert your stuff- I just want you to stop doing it to mine. btw, TY for admitting that you intended to leave a message- if I had only known... BTW, I already said it may be the screen resolution... I said I'm using 8x6.(800x600) The PIC is placed BELOW the block template, with the text under that- leaving the whole top left half of the pages BLANK. The thing here is it's not my browser/resolution that's the problem... NOR is it your! It's that we're using different ones. AND that's a WHOLE NEW conversation there... does the wiki have a standard/suggested resolution? --Raystanwick 15:12, 3 April 2007 (BST)

Anywho, like I said, I hope we can work this out in a civilized manner rather than doing anything the other may regret. I for one regret causing you any annoyance as that was never my intention. My design for the locations is simply the same one I've used for every location wikipage in Dulston, Rhodenbank, Rolt Heights, and Pescodside. All of them. Of course if you want those 3 locations to be done your way, I would be greedy not to let you. After all you designed them originally. Anyway my goal is simple. I would like to work with you to find the best design. Mine is not the best, I would be a fool to think so, but it's an evolving design that will always seek improvement from what I learn myself and from others. Anyway, I'm at work right now and have meetings to attend to. I hope to speak with you on this matter further. --Mobius187 April 3 2007, 8:26 AM

It's not about "my way"... if all the pages have ugly blank spots at the top, why accept that? Why not make them look better? Like I said, maybe the pics fit in the top-left on your res... I think SCREEN RESOLUTION is the problem here...--Raystanwick 15:12, 3 April 2007 (BST)

I only have a 10 minute break and then I'm expected back at the meeting (a large one), so I'll make this quick. Would you please take a screenshot of the wikipage and post it for me? Also, use MS Paint to highlight the problem area. I want to investigate this further before I work on any other location wikipages, as the more locations I create the more it will be to go back and edit them all (currently that's a whopping 400 pages...). Let me know, I have to be getting back now. As I mentioned before I want to work with you to resolve this. I will not be making any further edits on those 3 locations until then. On a side note, I also wanted to possibly discuss a new image for the cinema, I had one on the weekend, but as you specifically provided the current one I didn't want to update it without discussing the matter first (consider that as proof that I really did want your input on aspects of design). --Mobius187 April 3 2007, 10:20 AM

Update - I finished my meeting and ran some tests. What browser are you using? I assume not IE, as IE is handling this differently on mine than it is on yours. Currently I use 1024x768 here at work, and an even higher resolution at home, so obviously the image size is not an issue for me. For a test I switched to 800x600 resolution, but as I expected IE "clips" the image behind the map template, rather than shunting it below the template due to lack of room (width). The only time I have ever seen something similar happen is when I use the "Right" or "Left" alignment properties of the Image tag. Hmmm. I will investigate and see whether I can find a property in the Image tag that will fix this problem on your browser. Obviously this problem is not just associated with your locations, but all 400 locations I have worked on and that's soemthing I need to address properly. I hate it when format gets screwed around by some unknown variable that I never know about. I will fix this or, if not, reduce the image sizes. If it comes to that 275x177 appears to fit. Urk, that's a far cry from 450x270. If it comes to that I may switch to a image that's taller than it is wider (360x175?). Anyway, first I'll investigate a solution. --Mobius187 April 3 2007, 12:33 PM

Update (Again) - I spotted your discussion on the library wikipage and addressed your concerns there. Feel free to check those out. --Mobius187 April 3 2007, 1:11 PM

Update (Again, Again) - I have tried the "None" alignment property for the image. While I doubt this will fix the problem, it is so far the only solid lead I have on a fix. All my efforts over the past hour to locate a solution on "auto-resizing" have only turned up dead ends. It appears the Wiki does not yet support such a feature, and even if it did I'm not sure that it could account for the template issue even if it did. I would still like to perform additional tests, but in order to do that I will need to know which browser you are using so I can install it and test it, as on IE I cannot determine if my actions have been successful. --Mobius187 April 3 2007, 2:19 PM

The differences in screen-res and browser are def causing the issue here. It's clear we both want the pages to look nice. I have posted a thorough reply in Talk:Bromilow Library; inc screen-caps of what I'm seeing with 800x600 in FireFox.--Raystanwick 19:13, 4 April 2007 (BST)

Grouped Location Pages

Hi Mobius, I like your work. Tireless and dedicated, you are. However, surely a grouped location page every now and then wouldn't hurt... all those wastelands in Rolt Heights for example... all the same, not likely to be expanded upon (unless someone makes on a revive point) -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 11:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey Boxy, this is a bit off-topic, but did you know that I created the Dead Animal thumbnail image that you still use today for the suburb listing? Just a fun fact. Also would ou care to validate claims that Dead Animals - Redux is sieging the Featherstone Library?

Now back to business. Hrmmm. As you've guessed I'm a strong "anti-merger" activist. To date I've only buckled on Street locations, as I created or finished most of the ones in the NE Corner to date. I will admit you have a solid case for Wastelands... and by extension Carparks. The key factor here being whether a location has the information and historical news to make it its own location. As you pointed out "revive points" automatically do that, although I would assume a historic battle could also create similar relevance... although to a limited degree. Really "Current Events" recorded for a location is the greatest factor in giving it its own location page. But I'm rambling and you did ask me a specific question. Sigh. Hrmmm. How about this, give me 1 month. If by April 15th I have not done anything good with wasteland or carpark location pages I will merge them into a single wikipage. But if in the meantime I do find a way to personalize them would you consider that a good enough reason to leave them as individual wikipages, or would you consider such efforts "frivolous" (i.e. adding additional images, historical descriptive comments) in light of more gameplay-oriented content? Let me know, as I'm hardly the boss of anything and I appreciate you coming to me first. --Mobius187 March 15 2007, 10:09 AM (EST)

Yeah, I did notice that it was you who made our thumbnail pic, a while ago. Thanks for that, that was way back in the old days, when the wiki was a big, scary place to visit ;)

On the locations stuff, I'm not trying to force you to merge them, or even expand upon them if you don't have a reason to. I just think that leaving them with minimum info on them, on a grouped page, and moving onto "more important" matters would be a better use of your valuable time and energy.

Realistically, people willing and able to create "up to code" locations pages with the consistancy that you do, are thin on the ground... I would just like to see you out there, creating building pages, rather than wasting time on multiple wasteland pages, when one (with redirects from the others) would do.

I know I'm a bit of a grouped location page fanatic... putting the bare minimum of content on them... but damn, there's a lot of "red links" out there to get through -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 15:08, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and BTW, DA/Redux is (mostly) off with the Mall Tour ATM... we will be back though, count on it ;) -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 15:10, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Ah, now I understand. I agree that some locations hardly seem worth the time it take me to ceate them, but creating them satistifies my hunger for nice orderly location wikipages. When I first started working on location wikipages my goal was t create a seemless transit between locations, allowing users to literally travel across the suburb via the location map on each location wikipage. While merging locations does not detract from that some part of me always disliked the concept. As such, I was always willing to put in the extra effort it took to satisfy that need. That said, I do have location templates that I often use to speed things up, which in the case of wastelands is a simple cookie-cutter. In fact, the only real work I put into those location wikipages are their maps, which I would need to create for a merged wikipage, so as far as work effort it comes down to the same amount of time spent to be honest.

Building locations of course are my real interest, and over time I've developed likes and dislikes which have developed my style (or the "template" I use). For example at one time I evenly used 2 image scales for a location's image, 450x290 and 270x360. Later the second format fell out of favor with me and now I only use it for tower locations (for obvious reasons). Another style choice I made was using uniform designs for hospitals, fire stations, police departments, railway stations, and NecroTech buildings. Each uses the same building image, which I shaded B&W as an indicator of that fact, and the same headers/icons in their content. I felt that creating a uniform style among these locations promoted a greater sense of organization. The most recent change I'm considering is renaming "Building Status" to "Description". I mulled it over, and street revive points could hardly have their location description under "Building Status"... and now I'm thinking on conforming all the location pages to use the same header title. I did consider "Location History", but it seemed a bit wordy... what do you think?

As I mentioned above I've create two types of images for certain locations. Coloured unique image locations (i.e. buildings) and B&W cookie-cutter image locations (i.e. parks, NT buildings, wastelands, police stations, ect). But I should mention I do have a 3rd type of image, oddly enough, for junkyards. What I did was create a single location image, but for ach suburb (i.e. DulstonJunkyards). I've been considering that as an alternative for the B&W images, as maybe some users don't like the idea of every NT building sharing the same image. In that way only the NT buildings in one suburb would use a specific image. Not that it's important, but it's something I've been pondering.

So for now, I'll keep working on Rolt Heights. My plan of "attack" is the same as with the last 3 suburbs I worked on, namely:

• Create Streets merged wikipage
• Update any lame/unfinished existing location wikipages
• Create common/cookie-cutter locations wikipages (i.e. parks)
• Create unique locations wikipages
• Add unique images for unique locations
• Add descriptions for unique locations
• Edit existing location wikipages (conform style)
• Add secondary images to unique locations
• Add "extra" descriptions for common/cookie-cutter locations
• Confirm/update groups in the suburb

And there you have it. My update process, more or less. --Mobius187 March 15 2007, 12:08 PM (EST)

Sorry I was so long getting back to you, it's a busy time of year here. It all sounds great, as long as you're happy doing what you're doing. I tend to leave the streets to last... there are just soooo many... I'm slowly working on the Shore Hills ones at the moment. So hard to get motivated :) Using the same (B&W) image for each TRP sounds like a good idea (as long as others know are free to change it to a unique one later I guess). Rather than "Building Status", I use "Current Status" which seems to cover any location, as well as "Description" and "History" -- boxy ^{T L ZS Nuts2U DA} 10:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

No prob. Streets do take the longest and usually I blow an entire night to create one for a suburb (2-4 hours). Obviously it's the number of streets, mapping each of them, and how many streets are along the border that determines how long it takes. As for the B&W photos, I'm hoping to create a theme people appreciate, but obviously there's no way I would oppose someone posting an alternative image (although I may be inclined to format it as 450x290). I recently dropped "Building Status" and replaced them all with "Description". I also added that header for all empty blocks, not just Revive Points. On a funny note, I discovered I had treated Junkyards in Dulston as "empty blocks"... no building status, no barricade policy. Ha-ha! I fixed that. These days I've slowed my pace. I'm currently going back over older location in Rhodenbank and writing up longer location descriptions. When I get back up to steam I'll head back into Rolt Heights and tackle some more locations there. --Mobius187 March 22 2007, 7:57 AM (EST)

Northeast Malton

Heya, Mobius. I know that you're what I consider the main editor of the NE pages, so I was wondering if you could give me a hand on the page I created - Northeast Malton - or if you think it should even be there at all. I based it off of the page for Central Malton, so I decided to create one for the NE - your help would be loved. I put this in suburb locations, as technically, this is a group of suburbs in one. --Nomader ^T•RCDC 04:02, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Well I do like to consider myself the "King of the NE Corner" ;). Anywho, I visited your most recent effort and have added updates where I saw fit, but overall it was already solid work. I have not compared it against Central Malton, but for now I am concentrating my efforts in adding locations to Rolt Heights. I was actually considering creating something like this, but strictly to explain the definition of the coined term "NE Corner" (i.e. Northeast Malton), but your wikipage serves that purpose (I just added the term in there for reference). One extra you may want to consider, unless you feel it differentiates us too much from Central Malton, is adding the suburb listing thumbnail images beside each group's explanation, similar to the way it's done on the suburb pages already. Let me know if you need anymore help. --Mobius187 March 15 2007, 9:59 AM (EST)

Heh, I noticed that every single summary of the groups have been totally re-vamped - I thank you for that, as for most of them, I just know they exist. I added in the thumbnail images, and even though it streches out the suburbs in the center of the graphic, I think it looks just fine in the end. The only problem I have with the page is the fact that the events section has only two things that I threw in there at about midnight. Other than that, until more groups pop up, I'm finished with the page - thanks for the help! --Nomader ^T•RCDC 19:49, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Though I think we shouldn't leave out anything in Northeast Malton history, should we slim down the list on the right so the map of Northeast Malton isn't so streched out? We could then move the more detailed information about Northeast Malton below, so it looks more 'correct.' Right now, I have to scroll down nearly a page length to get to see the Southern suburbs... but, it's your call: I hate to delete fine work. --Nomader ^T•RCDC 18:14, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Those were my thoughts exactly, so I started deleting news items, and then cutting out details. What you saw was after all that was done. I think we only have two options, as I noted in my comment (i.e. History tab) either rework the table to support a 2nd row or create a NE Corner news archive. As it stands the news I posted was mostly from Dulston, although I tried to keep to only the major news items (no local news). Still, if you factor in the other suburbs that a lot of news still unreported. Any idea what news items we should list? As it stands you could thin it down to only horde attack news, but that's about it. Currently I listed horde news and group war news, two big ticket items. --Mobius187 March 18 2007, 6:28 PM (EST)

You seem to have most of the major news items down though I can still list a few, like the Pwotters-Drunken Dead seige for twenty days on Hindmarsh Row Police Department (the only time in the Northeast something held for more than two weeks - honestly, most seiges around here are jokes). But, really, Northeast Malton is a boring place. I'd suggest we put the major Treweeke seiges and a few other interesting tidbits in the event listing, and then throw any other somewhat interesting news-pieces from the nine suburbs in chronological order on the archive page (no "The suburb is now safe" sort of thing - if the RRF or the Big Bash attacked, we can throw those in, or fights against local zombie groups). I'd say we should even cut group war news (saving DORIS) from the event listing on the main page, and move them to the archive. And though another row sounds tempting, it'd crunch up things a bit too much, and wouldn't really look right - I think an archive page is the way to go. On a seperate note, should it be a sub-page, or its own seperate page? --Nomader ^T•RCDC 02:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I actually tried to alter the table, but as it's a template table... it took offense to my efforts. As such, I stopped trying and the only alternative, if we want to keep those news items would be to move older ones to an archive. If you haven't done so already I'll create one and add a link to it, styled after suburb archives. As the news there is not "Current News" (like for daily suburb news) I'll leave out the usual spiel about posting news to the archive and just leave the link at the bottom. The archive would be on a sub-page so it doesn't get lost. I mean Treweeke Turnpike... sheesh. I found that one after hunting around for public opinion on the mall. Better to make sure the pages are grouped together so anyone can find them even without a link. --Mobius187 March 19 2007, 8:06 AM (EST)

Suburb NecroNET Reports

Jupp, as someone mentioned above, I'd also vote for unmerging those Necrotech-Building-pages. Merging's fine for streets and other "useless" things, but Necrotech...? The other side is however, that I like the idea of a real NecroNET, with all the buildings connected in some way. If their buildings' pages were merged in each suburb, this impression would be stronger, somehow. Whatever. Have fun. And contiue, as long as you can. I'm glad about every non-placeholder-page and even though I don't change or add things there very often, I at least love reading them.--ρsych°Lychεε^ELT 08:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Xoid, boxy, and I discussed the matter of the merged NecroTech Dulston wikipage and you can now see how it was resolved. The wikipage now served as a hub redirect. Not sure how useful it will be, but now potentially a user can just link to it instead of listing each NecroTech building in Dulston (Xoid's idea). As a point of interest to your NecroNet idea there once was something like it, only the NecroNet reports were not merged. Back in early 2006 I used to issue NecroNet reports from The Waish Building on a daily basis. If they had no power (or generator, damn GKers) I would try again in the evening. Unfortunately I was only one man so all the other NT buildings in Dulston/Pescodside didn't really get updated that often (past the one I tried to issue at each location to start the ball rolling). In later months, after I had finally returned to the UD Wiki, I learned that my monthly archive wikipage (i.e. NecroNet Archive) was gone, deleted because it turns out all those JPGs were freakin' huge (KBs) when stacked on one wikipage. Ah well. Still if they same thing could be started again, but with a smaller file format (i.e. maybe even Photoshop's "for web" JPG format) then it's still possible we could one day do something just as you suggested. --Mobius187 February 5 2007, 8:04 AM (EST)

The Perryn Building

I hope you don't mind that I made a slight change to your Perryn Building page, as I needed to "retconn" a little to make it fit with my Perryn family page. --Specialist290 01:08, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, the Perryn Building. I checked your update out and I see you only made a small change specifically to the person the building was named after, which as far as I'm concerned is perfectly acceptable in the grand scheme of things. In truth it's better, because now it links up to more facts elsewhere in the Urban Dead Wiki rather than just being one isolated reference for one location. Now you you had re-written the entire wikipage after the effort I put into it, that would be something else, but that's obviously not the case here. So I have no problem with it. --Mobius187 January 30 2007, 8:00 AM (EST)

Motivation

Ah, and I imagine Dulston is your home suburb? Or did you just pick somewhere and go "Hey, I don't want anymore empty location pages there!"? And I agree that grouping streets is a good idea...but doing that to other buildings is really annoying (you should see what the DHPD did to Dunell Hills's PD stubs...ick). Yeah, maybe I'll slap some random histories on Dulston's locations. I put some stuff on Howarth Boulevard Railway Station, you should check it out and see if I'm worthy of messing with Dulston's locations! Anyway, I was just curious of your motives or whatever. --Lachryma 06:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Dulston is the home suburb for my NT scientist, Caleb Usher, so I had a vested interest in updating its wiki pages. I agree with you about not grouping important locations, like buildings. They really should strictly limit it to streets, wastelands, carparks, junkyards, and warehouses. Parks and monuments, while not buildings, can still have some character to them because they're uniquely named, like streets, but far more uncommon than streets (i.e. in Dulston there are 30 streets, 0 monuments, 2 parks). I have mixed feelings on cemeteries because they're not uniquely named, but they are uncommon. If I had to choose... maybe group them too. I also have a character in Dunnel Hills who was a member of the DHPD, and I was surprised when they grouped the police stations together. You would think that the DHPD, by definition of the group, would have tons of content for their police station pages. Ah well. Anyway, I'll check your work out, but I'm not here to judge your work or anyone else's. It's really not my place to do so. I may at times come in and reword something you or someone else wrote, as that's one of my hobbies and I've even done it to my own work from time to time, but I would certainly never delete content. Still, you're free to update any Dulston location, especially if it's a blank canvas. Good luck. --Mobius187 10:08 AM, 24 December 2006

I was just joking about being judged, I understand where you're coming from. Yeah, that Dunnel Hills stuff is rather confusing, but it's their PDs, so oh well. Cemeteries would be okay grouped, but it really depends on the suburb and how the locals set up revive points. I probably won't add anything to Dulston stuff, as I have no vested interest there or any knowledge of local history, but I'll probably add some content to various other locations I've been to, if I feel like it. And I can't abide typos or bad grammar so I'm always fixing that kind of stuff, mine or anyone else's. Thanks for taking some time to answer my questions and good luck with your location quest! --Lachryma 21:00, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Location, Location!

Wow, you really like adding stuff to location pages. Any reason why? I'm just curious...and stuff.--Lachryma 06:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Well a while back I had a dream... a dream of a Dulston with every location detailed and accurately mapped. Right now a lot of the locations are lacking in any real information and most do not use exact pointers to Dulston Streets. While I'm not always in favor of group locations (i.e. all streets, all hospitals) for a suburb I try to undo other people's work. Who knows it may be a good trend, after all grouping streets isn't such a bad idea since they are for the most part useless to add real details to them. So anywho, I'll update all of Dulston and then go back to add more details/histories to certain unknown locations. Feel to do so as well. --Mobius187 1:10 AM, 24 December 2006

On Wiki Updates

Hi, Great job with the location pages. A few things about 'em location pages though. Firstly, they need to have the Category:Locations in addition to a category of the suburb that it is in, and a category of the building (check Category:Locations for a list of building categories). Secondly, there is a template for the 9-block maps - please use those. The template can be found in the Stub box at the bottom of most of the pages you have created and you can check out how to use them by heading to any Category:Yagoton pages. For those 9-block maps, I have a list of hex colours on my User page - please use those so that each page has a consistant colour for the same type of building. Also, each of those buildings in the 9-block maps should be linked, even if the pages don't exist yet. Some of the pages that you have created include The Inman Building, The Whitlock Building, St. Odile's Church, Hamerton Road and Sirl Plaza. --Nov 11:31, 7 Feb 2006 (GMT)

EDIT: Also, please link generic buildings and locations - carparks, factories, warehouses, to their coordinates as is the common practice on the wiki. Thanks. --Nov 23:42, 7 Feb 2006 (GMT)

I realized as much just today while updating to use the standard 9x9 block map and noticed that with every location on the map now linked, whether there was a profile for it or not, generic locations like "a warehouse" would never have their own unique description as every suburb had them. I have since linked useful buildings to the appropriate "Building Type" definition and places like "wasteland" to its open space definition. Feel free to check. --Mobius187 18:46, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)

EDIT: Ah, I just realized what you meant. Still, I never liked seeing the red link, so that's why I thought it would be better to just point to the "Building Type" description. Still, if co-ordinates is what everyone is doing I'm fine with it. --Mobius187 19:08, 7 Feb 2006 (EST)

I think you are doing great so far. The coordinates are there to link to the specific pages so that if someone clicked on the red link, they can start editing that page, which makes things easy for them. --Nov 09:37, 8 Feb 2006 (GMT)

Urban Dead Suggestions

This is where I discuss "Suggestions" that I posted for ways in which I felt UD could be improved. Obviously there were more than just balance issues at stake here, and I have since given up the practice of posting ideas. Besides, most ideas end up as SPAM anyway because seriously, how often can you re-invent the wheel? Feel free to read up on my old ideas though, it's your free time after all.

Aberrant Form

Seeing that you were 50/50 on it - please see discussion here regarding it. It's only a small increase in attack %, as a bonus for zombies who make the commitment to brain rot. As those tend to be the more committed to the zombie cause term - they would more often be concerned with using it to gain access into EHB buildings (Bring barricade down to VSB and begin prying) and attacking the "big gun" survivors. I don't see this upsetting the balance for VSB buildings in the much, if at all. --Blahblahblah 20:00, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

If both made it into the game, pry does not work with slam - their mechanics are different, and it would be a matter of using one or the other. Things making it to peer review aren't guaranteed by any means of making it into the game - they are just collected into a place where Kevan can browse them easily, and know they received general support among their peers. It all comes down to what he thinks, in terms of what makes it into the game and what doesn't. He does seem to implement things that become hot topics on the suggestion page - but not (anywhere near) 100% of the time. Many, many suggestions make it to peer review - very, very few make it into the game. --Blahblahblah 23:06, 24 February 2006 (GMT) Quick afterthought

EDIT: - Also, even though everyone makes a big deal about suggestions being perfect before they will vote keep (not saying it's a bad thing to strive for perfection) - no suggestion has ever made it in word for word the way it was suggested. A few have been close, but all somewhat different than they way they were suggested (Feeding Groan may actually have been word for word - but if so, the only one). --Blahblahblah 23:20, 24 February 2006 (GMT)

As slam is another button, it would be separate from pry's mechanics. However, you're not supposed to link suggestions (make suggestions that play off of ones that have gone through peer review, but not yet made it into the game) so I couldn't make that distinction in the suggestion. I think Kevan is smarter than that anyways, he doesn't want the game to be lame for players either. If (and he has done it before - Headshot before the revision is a prime example) he implemented something that threw the game off balance or made grief for players, he would fix it (and possibly even by adding in a kick ass survivor skill that's been laying stagnate in peer review). --Blahblahblah 24 February 2006 (GMT)

No, that security camera suggestion isn't mine. My vote is the 3rd or 4th one on it. I like the basic idea, but think there are some spots that need to be tweaked. Being able to see outside for 1 AP (less than actually going outside) is bad news - sometimes that's the only reason for a survivor to leave their safehouse. Otherwise they could just free run except when going out specifically to kill a zombie. Also, I would like some clarification and possible reworking of the destruction aspect of them. It would be o.k. by me if they were reliant on the generators, but if you can easily destroy them from the outside - one lone zombie could take out a quarter of a suburb on their own in one day. They would never be in tact long enough to be of use to anyone. --Blahblahblah 03:30, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

Security Cameras

But didn't Kevan update that part already?--ALIENwolve 00:03, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

You are not supposed to edit your suggestions mid vote. You make the alterations, then resubmit (Making it clear what you are doing). --Grim s 00:24, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

Remove the original, votes and all, leave a note that you are resubmitting the suggestion in its place, as well as the fact that you, the author, are removing it. Then you post the suggestion again at the bottom of the page (Making sure that you get the new timestamps correct and clearly labelling it as a resubmission). --Grim s 02:56, 19 February 2006 (GMT)

That actually looks pretty good. You should post it - make sure you include the pros & cons aspect, the best part of it is that you pay 2 AP but only see outside the 1 building. it makes it useful, but going outside will still be required to get a greater view. Those look outside suggestions are hard to get through because voters tend to think it shouldn't be easy to look outside without going outside. I think you've got a good way to balance it though with the AP cost, and maintenance costs (generators and fuel). I do want to say that I've seen a security camera suggestion before.. might have been spaminated though. You should take a quick peek though "Peer Rejected" for anything with similar title & make sure it hasn't been done before. I know the vandal aspect and rewind were original features, which is why I didn't dig for a dupe when I voted on it before. --Blahblahblah 18:15, 25 February 2006 (GMT)

Grim usually just withholds his vote if it's a pure survivor suggestion and there are no obvious flaws with it. Not always, he has his own patterns and reasons for doing things. He does fight hard for the zombie side - but it balances with some of the "pro-survivor" voters who do the same when voting on zombie suggestions. For your security camera suggestion (haven't actually read it or voted yet), I'm guessing he'll vote kill - he's not a fan of letting survivors see outside without going outside - but then there are a few other voters I'm sure will vote kill based on how I've seen them vote in the past. However it goes, just don't expect for a unanimous keep on it. :) --Blahblahblah 15:41, 26 February 2006 (GMT)

To reply to your message: Yes, i will be voting Keep on your security camera redux. Cheerfuly Yours. Slavik 06:14, 2 March 2006 (GMT)