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Omg.

A/VB - I'm disappointed, DDR. Really. --Haliman - Talk 03:43, 1 July 2009 (BST)

yeah ddr why cant you ignore pretty much every rule in the book so we can all have a creepy laugh over a GURL ON TEH INTERNET --Cyberbob 03:45, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Yep. --Haliman - Talk 03:46, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Rules are rules. It is obviously humorous, regardless of how serious Moonie claimed. I also warned Moonie via IRC that this would be the outcome. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 03:48, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Rules are rules, and you warned him on IRC that it would be vandalism... obviously the course of action you would take in response would be to vote Keep on it and wait until someone else brought him to A/VB to openly declare it as such. --Cyberbob 03:58, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Was one hour too much for you, Bob? Everything happens in it's due course, there is no reason why my right to vote should immediately become nullified by my position as a sysop. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:00, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Yes one hour was too much, and your "right to vote" does not extend to turning a blind eye to vandalism. --Cyberbob 04:03, 1 July 2009 (BST)

It's a joke! Even if it technically is Vandalism, who was hurt? --Haliman - Talk 04:05, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Where was this "argument" every other time a humourous suggestion in the main space has been ruled vandalism? --Cyberbob 04:07, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I probably wasn't online when it happened? --Haliman - Talk 04:08, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Why would that stop someone who obviously feels as strongly about this topic as you? --Cyberbob 04:11, 1 July 2009 (BST)

It's not creepy! --dgw 04:11, 1 July 2009 (BST)

lets have a sowrd fite over it!!!!!!!! --Cyberbob 04:14, 1 July 2009 (BST)

*draws her sword* en garde! --dgw 04:19, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I haven't noticed any cases of this before this one is what I'm trying to say. --Haliman - Talk 04:12, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Surely you'd go looking if it matters to you so much? --Cyberbob 04:14, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Yep. But I didn't know I would care that much until just now. --Haliman - Talk 04:16, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Why don't you go make a policy repealing humourous suggestions in the mainspace being vandalism, as well as the elimination of the separate Humourous Suggestions space? I'm sure you care deeply enough to actually get your hands dirty over it. --Cyberbob 04:19, 1 July 2009 (BST)

That comment doesn't even deserve a yep. --Haliman - Talk 04:22, 1 July 2009 (BST)

If you don't care enough to actually go out and do something about it then you shouldn't bother opening your mouth. --Cyberbob 04:26, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I'll say whatever the hell I want. I WILL NOT BE SILENCED! --Haliman - Talk 04:27, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Hey, I'm not complaining - your bleatings are always good for a laugh. I'm just saying. --Cyberbob 04:29, 1 July 2009 (BST)

How can one person unilaterally decide that a well-recieved suggestion is humorous? What guidelines are there for determining that something is humorous? omg wikidrama!! I want to get drunk and vote for Fiffy without being told it's humorous! *sharpens sword moar* --dgw 04:30, 1 July 2009 (BST)

you're dumb. --Cyberbob 04:32, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I'm dumb? You're tryin to kill people's fun. And it's a serious question, even if it seeeeems obvious to you in this case that it's humorous. --dgw 04:41, 1 July 2009 (BST)

How am I killing your fun? You can still have your funny suggestion, just not in the main area. Go to Humorous Suggestions and post it there. --Cyberbob 04:46, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Bob, Done. and DDR: "Also, I'd prefer a "Ban Retards" button which would instantly ban all petty users, and Umbrella employees in the blink of an eye" - Good Thing I'm NOT an Umbrella Employee ^_^ --Haliman - Talk 04:59, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Any pitiful group with Umbrella in it's name is a retarded attempt at copying a legitimate antagonist faction from a well-respected videogame franchise. I don't care how both you two groups refer to each other, but to the outside world you are both Umbrella. Both you and the other Umbrella should be ashamed of yourselves. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 05:01, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I'm ashamed of the OTHER pitiful Umbrella if that counts for anything. ^_^ --Haliman - Talk 05:04, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Judging a group you have never been into, now that is pitiful. --Thadeous Oakley 10:22, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Your opinion of pitiful does not sway me, Mistergame. Avoiding an arbitration case which you previously accepted, by spurting bits of Dutch is pitiful to me, but I don't run in and whinge about it. If you were the exact same group but called the Parasol Biohazard Containment Service, then perhaps I wouldn't be against your group, however tryhard and irritating it looks (Grand Marshal? General? Please...) But I don't approve of groups taking the name of Umbrella and making it into the own group. Furthermore, when two groups who plagiarised the name go on a massive drama/vandal spree because both the groups were unoriginal enough to make their own group name, then it tips the boat for me. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:30, 1 July 2009 (BST)

I accepted that arbitration as much as a post-order bride accepts her marriage. The case would have gone through without me so a choice, no I hadn't. And be happy about Umbrella. Both groups are well organized, structured, nice wiki and have been or are successful to a good extent. If we would disband UC and UBCS then you can count on one hand how long it would take for a trenchcoater to turn Umbrella into the laughingstock that probably won't even hit the statspage. You can't create a zombie apocalypse without Umbrella turning up sooner or later. At least now its something good. --Thadeous Oakley 11:08, 1 July 2009 (BST)

It's a terrible and embarrassingly unoriginal concept for a group, but as long as we get in there before some noob trenchcoater, it'll be okay is a very poor mentality to have. You had no interest in talking to suicidalangel, as you don't now, so you should have just refused the case and have someone else represent you, it would at leased be the mature, productive thing to do. My talk page has had enough petty junk on it for one day, as you'd notice above, and I have no interest in furthering this argument about the Umbrellas or your arbitration woes. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 11:13, 1 July 2009 (BST)

Thadeous has a point. The groups are, to some extent, successful, the groups are somewhat calm towards each other now, and the members aren't powertripping troll assholes. We could go about making fun of every group weaker than us, but we don't, because we're not egomaniacs. Just my two-cents. --Haliman - Talk 04:08, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Milla was pretty hot in the first movie. --Brigadier Sergeant Major Field Marshal Paddy Dignam 23:28, 1 July 2009 (BST)

/me sighs. Better sig now? --Haliman - Talk 04:14, 2 July 2009 (BST)

I'll vote no, because it still has the petty message to Cyberbob at the end. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:46, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Same here - for that reason and that I've seen better versions. "General" was alright, "Grand Marshal" was silly (but that might be the anti-WoW talking), and the current one falls in between those two. Maybe just "Haliman - UBCS" or something. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 04:49, 2 July 2009 (BST)

I refuse to change the Yep. Maybe Founder of the UBCS, or UBCS Wiki Editor? --Haliman - Talk 05:10, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Maybe just get rid of the bureaucracy and unnecessary self-titling, if people wanted to find out the founder of the group, they would look at the group page, if they wanted to see the Wiki Editor, they would check the history. Putting it in your signature appeals to them, but the other 96% of the wiki probably find the titling a little redundant. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 05:14, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Well, good point. But just "Haliman" sounds too dull.. Any ideas what I should put with it? --Haliman - Talk 05:18, 2 July 2009 (BST)

If your name is boring, maybe try jazz up the formatting, I guess. When I'm bored with my sig I just change the formatting to a dif style/colour. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 05:20, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Hmm... Maybe. I like my format tho D: --Haliman - Talk 05:25, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Colour? Variety is the spice of life! D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 05:27, 2 July 2009 (BST)

One sec. :) --Haliman - Talk 05:29, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Well, green pops out, but idk. --Haliman - Talk 05:36, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Instead of "Green", use "DarkOliveGreen". D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 05:39, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Or even "SeaGreen". D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 05:40, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Now it seems too old and crusty... And I swear if ANY of my guys make a comment... --Haliman - Talk 05:47, 2 July 2009 (BST)

I guess. I saw you try black, that was alright. When in doubt, go black. The other ones previously, like blue and stuff, were good, I just didn't like green. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 05:49, 2 July 2009 (BST)

I didn't try black. I tried the non-existent OliveGreen, so it reverted to back. I tried blue, steelblue, and slateblue. But meh. Idk. --Haliman - Talk 05:51, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Hali, that sig looks like you. Old and lame. Die in a fire. loljk <3 --Skouth 05:52, 2 July 2009 (BST)

MidnightBlue? D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 05:53, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Maybe make your sig text black or a dark colour and try lighter backgrounds. :P --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 05:55, 2 July 2009 (BST)

I like this one alot. Agreed? --Haliman - Talk 07:38, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Still hate the self titling and now its twice as long as before. But at leased you used Midnightblue. That's good enough for me. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 09:48, 2 July 2009 (BST)

Template help

How do you format a template so it will show up on a page if you only put Template:Suchandsuch? --Imthatguy 16:04, 3 July 2009 (BST)

Ah, see if you want to put a page up as a template (for example, that page in your userspace, you do {{User:XXXXXX/Page}}. That way it just uses the page as a source instead of searching in the Template: namespace. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 16:07, 3 July 2009 (BST)

	Anti-Bureaucracy
	This user hates bureaucracy and encourages wiki-revolution!

DONT FORGET SUPPORT THE WIKIREVOLUTION!!!!!!! DOWN WITH THE CRATS!!!!!!!!!!!--Imthatguy 05:11, 4 July 2009 (BST)

Awrr - Don't kill civility!

Oh buddy I can't believe you just voted against my civility article. You know you loves it, and the "Text-rape rules!" crowd hardly needs your support. Come baby change your vote. STRONG VARCH!--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 19:28, 6 July 2009 (BST)

Aww. Look, I do love it, but the against votes were just too right. Cmon, surely you know another buddy who can push that article over 50%... D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 01:37, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Yarp. I could probably round up some support from my groups. Oh well. I'll just crawl over to them with this knife in my back. Love, --_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 05:16, 7 July 2009 (BST)

hope you enjoy the sight of me striking votes due to meatpuppetry --Cyberbob 05:19, 7 July 2009 (BST)

What is this "meatpuppetry" you speak of? --_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 05:32, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Do you really not know or are you being cute? --Cyberbob 05:34, 7 July 2009 (BST)

I really don't know how you mean it in this context. I would think of meatpuppetry as being using alts or something to vote. --_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 05:36, 7 July 2009 (BST)

That's sockpuppetry. Linkthewindow  Talk  05:37, 7 July 2009 (BST)

No Giles, you are the puppets. (Meatpuppetry is like sockpuppetry, except they're actually different people. Like that Fiffy lazer beem eyes suggestion.) --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 05:40, 7 July 2009 (BST)

This too. Linkthewindow  Talk  05:45, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Of course. Under sockpuppetry in the wiki, we find a subsection for meat puppet: "Editors of the online encyclopedia Wikipedia use "meat puppet" to deprecate contributions from a new community member if the new member was (apparently) recruited by an existing member only to back up the recruiting member's position." Of course I wouldn't stoop to that. A couple of members of CAPD and the SWA do already actively maintain wiki accounts and contribute to the wiki. I'm not above shooting them a link to the voting on our forums and asking them to make up their own minds. That certainly isn't meatpuppetry, yeh? --_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 05:42, 7 July 2009 (BST)

It is, but only slightly. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 05:43, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Whether it's slightly or strongly meatpuppetry is irrelevant. --Cyberbob 05:44, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Isnt that what the democrats and republicans do every election? I also demand proof that he is meatpuppeting or im putting cyberbob up for misconduct--Imthatguy 05:48, 7 July 2009 (BST)

you're precious --Cyberbob 05:50, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Firstly, real life =/= UDwiki.

Secondly, you're an idiot. Misconduct is for abuse of sysop powers (not just regular editing,) and Bob never accused Giles of anything. He warned him against meatpuppeting. Linkthewindow  Talk  05:51, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Apart from anything else, Giles, meatpupeting is hella lame. It's a fucking guide, FFS. Some people don't think it deserves to be a reviewed one, and voted that way. Deal with it, instead of fucking over the wiki by getting your mates, who wouldn't have otherwise voted, to force it through simply to stroke your own ego -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 21:50 7 July 2009 (BST)

but some people have self-esteem issues and need this kind of internet glory or they get all emo and everyone dislikes emos --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 21:53, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Votes unstruck. There is nothing in the rules that permits anyone from removing anyones votes unless they are made by sock puppets. Until such time as there is something that allows it, kindly piss off. - Grim s

I have no idea why you guys are so apeshit over such a minor, petty vote, when there have been plenty over other more seriousness meatpuppeting issues that have even been let through. I thought it was decided there would be no meatpuppet striking, especially for such a little thing like this. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:47, 7 July 2009 (BST)

So i cant vote? please ciberbob... i think you cant vote for me ...and if i want to vote i can vote no?..so meat pupeting is because i am on CAPD¨?no?..watch my Sig please i am a MPD member too...and there i used to teach new player to read that guide...why? because need to remember is a game but still we can have respect for others...So say what you want but my vote is my vote..have respect for me...i respect you..--(x)Alvaromesa^{Talk | Bacardi |MPD | Malton Public Radio} 23:13, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Hey, I struck your vote too! What about me? What about MY NEEDS?--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 23:16, 7 July 2009 (BST)

I dont care if you or bob have problem with my vote...so for what is a vote if i cant vote what i want? and a admin crossed my vote? what the is the dead?--(x)Alvaromesa^{Talk | Bacardi |MPD | Malton Public Radio} 23:33, 7 July 2009 (BST)

U have special needs?--Thadeous Oakley 23:18, 7 July 2009 (BST)

His momma always said he was special so, of course, he has special needs! --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 23:29, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Apparently, this is important enough for people to make sockpuppets. User:lolwat64 --Thadeous Oakley 23:18, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Or it could quite easily be a meat puppet, which is entirely allowed.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 23:23, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Indeed, perhaps you should do an IP check? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:31, 7 July 2009 (BST)

It doesn't match any current user. What do you know? Maybe it isn't a sock puppet!--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 23:33, 7 July 2009 (BST)

OMG! Colour me shocked and amazed! --AHLG 23:34, 7 July 2009 (BST)

D'okay!--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 23:41, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Did this really need to happen, especialy on someones talkpage who wasen't really involved? --^TCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 23:38, 7 July 2009 (BST)

U herd of proxies rite? Honestly, whatever puppet it is, it obviously is a puppet. Can't say the same about Alvaro and Michelson.--Thadeous Oakley 23:42, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Yeah, in all likeliness it's not just some random user who happened along. ;/ --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:44, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Defying the odds.--Thadeous Oakley 23:47, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Wow, you're still pushing that tired old line of "durfahurf look at me not knowing the difference between meatpuppetry and sockpuppetry"? Fucking hell you're stupid. --Cyberbob 01:51, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Thas no SHOCKED enough! Colour me! COLOUR ME!! @Michaleson we do this all the time.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:44, 7 July 2009 (BST)

WHAT FONTS SHOULD I USE D00D?--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 23:52, 7 July 2009 (BST)

ALL OF THEM!! AARRRGG! --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:53, 7 July 2009 (BST)

But, but, that will take too long...--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 23:54, 7 July 2009 (BST)

Ahhhhhhh..... wimp --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:55, 7 July 2009 (BST)

I shamefully admit it. ;_; --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 23:57, 7 July 2009 (BST)

I want to edit this thread too :~ --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 23:37, 7 July 2009 (BST)

You have problem of others opinions? all this for a vote? next time i not vote anything guys...that is the idea of a wikipedia?so what is the deal if civility recive the votes? the word explode?--(x)Alvaromesa^{Talk | Bacardi |MPD | Malton Public Radio} 23:50, 7 July 2009 (BST)

It's all good, thank you alvaro for voting your mind. It sucks that such drama would unfold as a result of that. For any interested parties, I've defended my actions on User_talk:Cyberbob240#Garr_Knock_it_off. With this, the matter is resolved for me, regardless of how the vote goes. In the end, the fact that 22 people have registered their opinion of civility is quite positive. I hope to someday have a better understanding of the confounding and frustrating maze of unwritten rules and precedents that surface on the wiki from time to time. --_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 00:30, 8 July 2009 (BST)

yes...subverting democracy is a pretty hard thing to get a handle on i agree --Cyberbob 01:28, 8 July 2009 (BST)

What? Advising us to read something we are interested in, so we could vote if we agree, is subverting democracy? That is idiotic. Giles did nothing wrong. --Sophie ^{◆◆◆ CAPD} 01:42, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Firstly, as if there was ever a chance of you voting no. Secondly, yes it is wrong. --Cyberbob 01:49, 8 July 2009 (BST)

*Cough* Yet another reason why most voting on this wiki is retarded. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:51, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Are we suddenly Wikipedia? Because I'm pretty sure we're only based on the software for the most part. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 01:53, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Ah yes wikipedia... always a reliable rallying point when things are looking bleak for your side. Too bad we're wiki.urbandead.com, not en.wikipedia.org. --Cyberbob 01:56, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Too bad, I've always been a supporter of changing the voting system to a consensus based one. I think you are misunderstanding me, I am never citing that as our policy.--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:57, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Consensus voting might work for wikipedia but here it would literally be the devil. Sorry. --Cyberbob 02:00, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Nah, except suggestions which work fine as is, attempts at discussion to get something done work, people are just lazy. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:01, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Urban Dead IRC Channels

care to protect this page while i file an arbies ? content must be rolled back to what it looked like before suicidal's edit, but j3d's edit is better --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 15:02, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Yes. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 15:04, 8 July 2009 (BST)

thank you. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 15:11, 8 July 2009 (BST)

Signature not working

Hey im dearly sorry to bother you with this.But i made a signature and edited it to my User:Suffery/sig as im supposed to.. If you have any free time could you help me with this? thanks--Suffery 09:53, 11 July 2009 (BST)

Of course. I'll reply the necessary steps onto your talk page. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:09, 11 July 2009 (BST)

== Your Sig ==--xoxo 16:10, 11 July 2009 (BST)

The timestamp starts on a new line, which makes the page a bit longer, and less visually attractive. I'll try and find a fix now (and post back here if I do,) so here's you're notification :P. It's probably just a rouge line break.

(User_talk:WanYao - example.) Linkthewindow  Talk  16:06, 11 July 2009 (BST)

That didn't fix it. Since it's not a wiki-breaking issue, I'll leave it up to you to revert back to the last working version or not. Linkthewindow  Talk  16:09, 11 July 2009 (BST)

Yeha stop fucking our wiki up yuo retard i'm sick of your shit.--xoxo 16:10, 11 July 2009 (BST)

Yeah I copied and pasted new + old code together without giving it any checkthrough. Noticed just before I hopped into bed. I'll fix now. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 16:11, 11 July 2009 (BST)

Rev got it. Linkthewindow  Talk  16:12, 11 July 2009 (BST)

the halftime air was sweet perfume? NO.--xoxo 16:19, 11 July 2009 (BST)

That didnt work lol..heres my sig now --{{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Suffery/sig}} 19:55, 11 July 2009 (BST)

yea i unchecked it.--{{SUBST:Nosubst|User:Suffery/sig}} 02:54, 12 July 2009 (BST)

It worked on your talk page a couple of minutes ago -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 02:59 12 July 2009 (BST)

I closed the <font> tags and got rid of the redundant noinclude tags, it should work fine now. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:17, 12 July 2009 (BST)

Thanks i owe you one lol. i love my new sig--Suff-TMS- <-- Killin' zombies! 05:32, 12 July 2009 (BST)

Signature

I finally broke down and jacked some of the code from your epically setup sig to create a new, revised one for myself. I hope my selfish act of wiki-code-stealing swells your pride. :D -- T^HEL^ORDG^UNS^LINGER 03:49, 13 July 2009 (BST)

Thanks, I like it. It's a worthy fraud :D D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 06:49, 13 July 2009 (BST)

Archiving

I've been archiving a few suburb News posts, and I've arrived at a conundrum. I've archived the whole month of June for most suburbs, but not deleted posts under a month old. Is this correct? Or should I be deleting the whole month?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 17:56, 14 July 2009 (BST)

While we're at it, what do I do if the last post on a page is more than a month old? Do I leave it, or put some snazzy line saying "There is no recent news for this suburb. Go to the archive, indicated here." --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 18:00, 14 July 2009 (BST)

There isn't a rule of thumb, but for the first problem, generally you just archive the whole month regardless of whether it's over a month old or not. Especially at this time of month, where it usually doesn't matter. For the second problem, just get rid of all the old news and add that notice, probably saying There is no recent news for this suburb. News older than 1st July 2009 can be found in the archive. The given month in a notice like this won't need an update because anyone who adds to the news will delete it anyway, but otherwise people will know just when the last news post was. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 18:07, 14 July 2009 (BST)

And while you're here, thanks, I like users who dedicate themselves to under-maintained tasks in the wiki. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 18:08, 14 July 2009 (BST)

Actually, I don't know why I did it. It's like some weird force came over me. Anyway, as I'm nearly done, I'll come back to the pages where June remains, and I'll take it away, but for now I'll stop. I might end up doing it tomorrow.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 18:10, 14 July 2009 (BST)

Good luck. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 18:12, 14 July 2009 (BST)

Alright, I've done it now. June has been cleansed from the wiki.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 12:07, 22 July 2009 (BST)

Good job. Mass editing tasks always cleanse the soul, don't they? --ϑϑℜ 12:12, 22 July 2009 (BST)

They do indeed.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 12:13, 22 July 2009 (BST)

Hey

Thanks for the welcome back - I don't know how long I'm going to be back, but being on the outside of the drama looking in makes it a whole lot easier to stomach and get back to work. It's good to see people step up and put in some effort on the wiki. I like your status stuff in your sig - nice coding. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 18:42, 14 July 2009 (BST)

I miss Amazing. --Darth Sensitive ^W! 18:50, 14 July 2009 (BST)

Thanks anyway

I'm basically leaving UD and the wiki for an undetermined period of time. ;) Ciao --Janus ^talk 19:13, 15 July 2009 (BST)

Good luck IRL Janus! D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 01:27, 16 July 2009 (BST)

Ditto here. You're one of the few people that I've seriously thought about nominating for sysop. Linkthewindow  Talk  12:59, 16 July 2009 (BST)

Aww, thanks! ;) --ϑϑℜ 13:00, 16 July 2009 (BST)

I meant Janus :P Linkthewindow  Talk  13:07, 16 July 2009 (BST)

;_; --ϑϑℜ 13:07, 16 July 2009 (BST)

You're already a sysop anyways, dork! --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:49, 19 July 2009 (BST)

But thats nothing if no one had always considered putting me up!!! :'( --ϑϑℜ 03:51, 19 July 2009 (BST)

DDR hai!!Aw

Hai! =-D

I descnided sonce im driunk to dome says hi to folk. So hai! -- Cheese 03:23, 19 July 2009 (BST)

Hello, friend! --ϑϑℜ 03:24, 19 July 2009 (BST)

<3 Yay.! You saud Hi back! =D 00 Cheese 03:26, 19 July 2009 (BST)

fake demotion summary

this joke was funny in the beginning. It aint no more. Stop it. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 15:38, 20 July 2009 (BST)

Oh shut up. Most people deal with being fooled by chuckling about it and having a friendly joke with the user who did it. How about instead of eyeballing RC you get back to 'fixing' your bastardised version of User:Amazing. --ϑϑℜ 15:43, 20 July 2009 (BST)

Lol. -- Cheese 15:49, 20 July 2009 (BST)

like i said, it was funny... but you are so overusing it that it aint anymore. And Amazing's thing requires a lil more attention and though... its not something ima gonna do at work in between builds and compilings. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 15:54, 20 July 2009 (BST)

Then perhaps you should have considered leaving it in its useful and historically relevant state while you messed around with this 'improved' version in a sandbox. --ϑϑℜ 15:58, 20 July 2009 (BST)

Historical use of Historical

History was made today when a historically large amount of history was revised so that future history for this historical idea will be different. As future history was changed in one way, and pending this historical votes passing, in another, the word "historical" itself and all of it's other tenses and uses were used a historical number of times. When historical members of the community were asked to comment on this historical day, a historical number of them didn't care at all. For this quasi -historical figure, I would just like to say I can't wait until this day and these writings are historical.--SirArgo ^Talk 18:33, 20 July 2009 (BST)

What the hell? :D --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 21:38, 20 July 2009 (BST)

Lol. It does make sense, kinda. I have translated it!--SirArgo ^Talk 03:39, 21 July 2009 (BST)

Nah, it did make sense. I loved it. --ϑϑℜ 03:41, 21 July 2009 (BST)

Support our siggy!!!

DDR, support the mudkip TOOOOOO!!!!

Quick Question

Can anything be done about This? I find it amusing, because the fellow who created it is long gone, and I've been a PKer for awhile. I'm just curious if it could be deleted or some such. It's not really fun when someone searches my username and comes up with that farce. Thanks for anything. -- T^HEL^ORDG^UNS^LINGER 22:18, 20 July 2009 (BST)

Actually, yes it can be deleted. It's one of those one-off groups that don't go anywhere. Not to mention that it was an almost entire copy of the old kill Deus page, which has since changed. And not to mention that pudge was a griefer that the Demons (who Kill Deus was playing against, and in a good manner, at the time) nor the members of Deus liked him (if I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure about the Deus's, but I was a Demon at the time, so I know we didn't like him). It could easily be put up for deletions, hell, if you put it on SD as a crit one, I'd delete it myself. They even use the same image that Kill deus used, and the one they use on their template Template:Kill_Deus257.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 22:39, 20 July 2009 (BST)

I've put it up for A/SD, but I wouldn't be surprised if it were sent to A/D, or even just rejected outright. Still, it could always be moved to a subpage of the user's namespace. We'll see how it goes. --ϑϑℜ 03:30, 21 July 2009 (BST)

Many thanks gentlemen. -- T^HEL^ORDG^UNS^LINGER 04:47, 21 July 2009 (BST)

I'll leave this link alone. --Cyberbob 11:43, 21 July 2009 (BST)

Borehamwood

Why you revert your last edit? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 13:55, 22 July 2009 (BST)

I don't know, I get in those moods some times. I just don't think my last comments really needed to be said. --ϑϑℜ 13:56, 22 July 2009 (BST)

It was entirely true. I'd say 70-80 percent of the survivors who are left spawned in a 20x20 area. The area was sufficiently underpopulated that we knew most survivors and zombies by name, and with GNR's help had an effective communication net up almost immediately. Smaller was better. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:08, 22 July 2009 (BST)

Perhaps... I might re-add it later on with a more coherent explanation and more decent points, in the morning. --ϑϑℜ 16:37, 22 July 2009 (BST)

My Story

Hey, thanks for telling me about the page being deleted... I was actually about to paste my story in there (didn't have time this past week). Would I make the page with user first? as in User:Jobava/Story?--Jobava 16:09, 23 July 2009 (BST)

Yes. --Cyberbob 16:03, 23 July 2009 (BST)

also how do I edit my signature? --Jobava 16:09, 23 July 2009 (BST)

Here is a pretty awesome article that has everything you need to know about signatures. Help:Signatures--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 16:39, 23 July 2009 (BST)

Re:Phone

Thanks. :) I was going to use it as my userpage, but I kinda gave up on that as I don't think it's possible to make the buttons clickable objects. - User:Whitehouse 18:28, 23 July 2009 (BST)

IRC question

Why is the IRC channel set to +m? People who come in and aren't +v can't talk when the channel is +m. --User:Axe27/Sig 20:43, 23 July 2009 (BST)

Because DDR is stoopid.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 20:44, 23 July 2009 (BST)

Do you mean #udwiki? Because #urbandeadwiki hasn't had +m set for a few days now. --Cyberbob 20:46, 23 July 2009 (BST)

No, I mean #urbandeadwiki. Boberton came into channel without +v and was unable to speak. --User:Axe27/Sig 20:49, 23 July 2009 (BST)

I just looked then and there's no +m set... strange. --Cyberbob 20:51, 23 July 2009 (BST)

Never mind, Cyberbob was right. Boberton was unable to speak because he didn't know he was able to speak. : D--User:Axe27/Sig 20:54, 23 July 2009 (BST)

lol --Cyberbob 20:55, 23 July 2009 (BST)

Wait, I was on IRC? I didn't even notice... --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 20:55, 23 July 2009 (BST)

It were me. Don't worry Boberton. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!} 21:03, 23 July 2009 (BST)

Status

Dude-ism. It'd be great if you could help me with a status template for me. :) It'd be used for the end of my sig. The "Current BICotry part". --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!} 20:57, 23 July 2009 (BST)

K. --ϑϑℜ 02:28, 24 July 2009 (BST)

Thanks, I think I get how it works n'all. Just one thing; What is Nosubst? --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}19:19, 24 July 2009 (BST)

My signature is SUBST, so it pastes the code down onto the page manually every time I use it, whereas the {{SUBST:Nosubst|User:XXXX/sig}} means that it throws the template on the page instead. It's better for longer sigs. --ϑϑℜ 02:03, 25 July 2009 (BST)

The mysteriously disappearing page

I recently made a deletion request deletion request that was on course to pass. And then it got deleted. Before the 2 week deadline, and no one has owned up to it or said they deleted it. Because this is a misconductable action, I'll leave it your discretion, but please wag the finger at whoever deleted the page before the 2 weeks. --User:Axe27/Sig 16:57, 28 July 2009 (BST)

The deletion log reveals all. Cheese probably just forgot to move it afterwards. --  RoosterDragon  17:22, 28 July 2009 (BST)

Cheese did it, but he preceded the 2 week deadline by 3 hours. --ϑϑℜ 01:28, 29 July 2009 (BST)

I would say this is likely a case of timezone differences rather than any kind of HOLY FUCKING SHIT MISCONDUCT WAG UR FINGER --Cyberbob 01:47, 29 July 2009 (BST)

I got a/vb'd for time zone confusion. :/--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:40, 29 July 2009 (BST)

It was pretty obviously a deliberate action, done to make sure your action got through early, and thus your hegemony. But let's assume for a minute that there was no wilful, malicious intent here -- we'll stretch the limits of our credulity, to point of bursting, just for argument's sake... Well, even in that case, you're clearly incompetent and untrustworthy. Enough is fucking enough. --Cyberbob 04:42, 29 July 2009 (BST)

I hate you too cb. ^^--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:47, 29 July 2009 (BST)

How long have you been on the wiki, SA? You've been a sysop before. You claim you know the rules, etc. etc. Why do you keep doing these things when you really ought to know better? Stop making excuses. Seriously. --Cyberbob 04:55, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Once more you turn it into a personal attack, scoffing off legitimate criticism as trying to "score drama points". I see, finally, how hopeless it is to expect you to take responsibility for your actions and to act even a little like an adult. Feh. --ϑϑℜ 05:04, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Oooooooooooh, ad hominems! I'm so impressed!--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 05:07, 29 July 2009 (BST)

This isn't your personal fiefdom, cyberbob sa. Stop acting like it is. --ϑϑℜ 05:08, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Strawman. --Cyberbob 05:09, 29 July 2009 (BST)

What the hell are you talking about now???--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 05:10, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Oh SA you're so droll. Now, someday, maybe you'll pay less attention to being such a wag, and more attention to not making stupid "mistake" after stupid "mistake"... Then we won't have to listen to more of your repeated "apologies" or hollow promises that such things won't happen again, either. --Cyberbob 05:12, 29 July 2009 (BST)

I am honestly sorry, but for some things bad faith is not a prerequisite for vandalism. That is one of them. You'll note that I have taken steps to try and ensure that nobody unknowingly does it again in the way I did with the creation of this section. That's the absolute best I can do after the fact.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 05:22, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Also a very nice way to attempt to sidestep my refutations of DDR's mis-appropriation of what Wan was talking about.... You're damn good at the sleazeball politician thing, SA, damn good, I'll give you that much. --Cyberbob 05:27, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Does "being the bigger man" ring any kind of bell at all? Seriously, you could fight and troll yourself couldn't you?--SirArgo ^Talk 05:31, 29 July 2009 (BST)

You do realise that all of these posts are essentially quoting WanYao? --Cyberbob 05:36, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Or cb and maybe even zl.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 05:38, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Wow. You guys are that determined to "show me up" that you can't understand how editign while drunk and deleting something early... yet I cycled a suggestion early... you can't comprehend how that isn't the same, you think it's harmless and innocuous and in "good faith"??? Wow. You take the cake, you really do. How's that job at the Ministry of Truth pay, anyway?--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 05:35, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Yeah I know that's pretty harsh... But, you may not believe this... but even when I go one a histrionics binge, I can most always step back and admit when I am wrong... and/or back off, let things cool down and give a person a deserved "second chance". The fact that you don't get any such consideration shows how completely reproachable and over-the-top I consider your behavior to be. You blew it, man, big time. --Cyberbob 05:40, 29 July 2009 (BST)

I know I screwed up really badly, but there's literally nothing else I can do apart from work to make sure it never happens again. I think I deserve a second chance - I really do. I know you don't believe me on this one but my motivation in making those cases and whatnot was seriously not in bad faith. That is the honest truth.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 05:50, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Yes, your right, but that's not enough here. Come back when you have some friends over at the sysops team. --Cyberbob 05:52, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Heh. Once again you fail to mount an argument. Time to hide behind your insults and your little clique. You're getting far too predictable :) --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 05:59, 29 July 2009 (BST)

I'll just rehash some points to you. 1. I am not a petty schmuck and don't behave as such 99% of the time, unless dealing with the most petty of users such as yourself. 2. My intelligence is so irrelevant to any of this because the fact is that I have at leased some sort of knowledge and experience on wikis that you obviously don't. And 3. The fact you made that deletion 3 hours early is not only irrelevant, but also proves that you'll always just be another sheep that herds the deletions section. With your attitude and perceptiveness, I suggest you stay there. --Cyberbob 06:08, 29 July 2009 (BST)

HA HA HA. The extent of your delusions is truly amazing. By all means, try to keep your fucktarded ramblings out of my way. I only deal with them perfunctorily, and would gladly not waste any more of my time on them. Up to you.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 06:14, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Q.E.D. --Cyberbob 06:19, 29 July 2009 (BST)

So I guess presenting any opinion that goes against the Status Quo is automatically "Q.E.D.". Convenient.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 06:20, 29 July 2009 (BST)

I live in a country where we use common law, as inhereted from the UK. Which means that the tradition of established precedent rules. And if a judge goes against established precedent his ruling can be -- and routinely is, in such rare cases -- overturned. As for the rest of it... you were being mocked, SA, pure and simple... but your response demonstrates what a self-important prig you are... which was why I was trolling you in the first place, lol --Cyberbob 06:28, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Did you have to attend some sort of special trade school in order to learn how to be this obtuse?--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 06:33, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Just pointing out the obvious. Sorry if it didn't appeal. --Cyberbob 06:42, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Ha ha ha. Seriously, in order to point out something you have to present some kind of evidence, not just make statements and toss around weak insults. Point that out. Heh.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 06:49, 29 July 2009 (BST)

LOL I was just looking for that quote to use... --ϑϑℜ 09:54, 29 July 2009 (BST)

Thanks for ruining 90% of the joke with that heading change. --Cyberbob 07:46, 30 July 2009 (BST)

If you think it that important you can change it back to the original, I actually don't mind. --ϑϑℜ 07:47, 30 July 2009 (BST)

It's not that important, it just kinda feels a bit forced now. --Cyberbob 07:49, 30 July 2009 (BST)

It was over before I changed it. And damn, I almost had you at A/VB ;D --ϑϑℜ 07:51, 30 July 2009 (BST)

Huh? You explicitly gave me your permission; not even the blindest of haters (gonna hate) would try that case on for size. --Cyberbob 07:52, 30 July 2009 (BST)

sigh. was a joke nvm --ϑϑℜ 07:54, 30 July 2009 (BST)

If you're going to nitpick me...

I'll be happy to nitpick you back. In reference to your statement: "I respect it. Unlike Giles, he had the decency to go against, rather than persistently complain and then vouch." I didn't persistently complain and then vouch. In fact, the precise order of my statements was - question, complaint, vouch, complaint.
Your pal,
--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 21:15, 31 July 2009 (BST)

Exactly. If all you are going to do is criticise him, then why not just go against? If your comment isn't supportive in any way, it doesn't say much for your vouch, and it's obvious you don't want to vouch, and if you do, it's near impossible to tell. You might want to add something decent on besides all the negativity or your vouch is more or less meaningless. --ϑϑℜ 01:51, 1 August 2009 (BST)

And you were hardly nitpicking, as I was hardly nitpicking you in my initial comment, because there is quite a bit that would have to be said about your a/pm vouch in the first place, if one were so inclined. The problems with it are so obvious, though, that there is no reason for me to go into it. Unnecessary arguments aren't in anyone's interests just now. --ϑϑℜ 02:05, 1 August 2009 (BST)

Except for me. I'm bored and an argument would be fun to watch.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:05, 1 August 2009 (BST)

You are admin sa shame on you. --ϑϑℜ 04:23, 1 August 2009 (BST)

I'm really wishing we didn't already wear out the quote joke right now. Cyberbob  Talk  04:30, 1 August 2009 (BST)

Yeah...:( Oh well. Battle for Wesnoth, here I come!--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:36, 1 August 2009 (BST)

Wesnoth is pretty fresh but I burned out on it. Anyways. I don't see any problem with criticizing someone and still agreeing with them in other areas or seeing merit in their overall performance. Perhaps you interpret honest critique as a slap in the face but I don't and from what I gather SA didn't either. I said in my vote that SA is "honest and fair" and that's why I vouched.
Do you read my posts before you huff and puff or do you just look for one thing to disagree with?
After confronting SA and looking at their contributions, I do feel he/she is coming from a good place in their decision making, and to me that's the most important trait in a crat. But I understand how you could view my vouch as being vague. Is a more glittering bit of praise in order?--_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 16:57, 1 August 2009 (BST)

I'd never question DDR. He is a God among Men. -- T^HEL^ORDG^UNS^LINGER 20:16, 1 August 2009 (BST)

Yes, my fragile female psyche needs to be complimented.-- High Overlord and Lead Conspirator of the Administrative Rebellion. Want help? 23:41, 1 August 2009 (BST)

Don't actlike you don't like it.--xoxo 01:15, 2 August 2009 (BST)

Those images

Bwah. We need a "popular images" category, and send people there before they upload an image... problem is, it'll probably be full of these bloody things ;) -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:51 8 August 2009 (BST)

Yeah, and as is the norm, no one will bother checking before they upload what is probably 50th image of Biohazard's Umbrella logo that is on the wiki. --ϑϑℜ 13:24, 8 August 2009 (BST)

Unlike read

i do see minor edits in rc.--xoxo 05:09, 9 August 2009 (BST)

...And? --ϑϑℜ 07:23, 9 August 2009 (BST)

Ah gonna play the ol' i don't understand you card, uninteresting choice. P.S can you strike me? I've earned myself annudda one. --xoxo 10:43, 9 August 2009 (BST)

If you are talking about my edits being minor recently, [1]. Hagnat complained that it would fill up recent changes so I made all edits minor while I was fixing Conndraka's fuck up. As for a strike, you don't actually have any warnings to strike at the moment. --ϑϑℜ 10:54, 9 August 2009 (BST)

It turns out you actually do. Sorry, long day. However, I struck you on the 14th ([2]). Sorry, you'll have to wait a few days before I can strike you again. --ϑϑℜ 11:56, 9 August 2009 (BST)

I get a striking a month. So 2 strikes after 2 months. It's been 2 months. I shouldn't be punished because i have to request a striking and wait for someone else to do it.--xoxo 13:53, 9 August 2009 (BST)

You get a striking one month after your last strike. You were struck on the 14th. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:54, 9 August 2009 (BST)

DDR speaks the truth Cyberbob  Talk  13:55, 9 August 2009 (BST)

So if all ops refuse to strike me thats cool? The case has always been it didn't matter if the physical strike wasn't there provided the grounds for having a strike had been met. I earned a strike on the 9th, so i'll earn another one on the 9th (assuming edits are met)--xoxo 13:58, 9 August 2009 (BST)

Yeah it is cool, provided your aren't legible to be struck as per the guidelines, which you aren't. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:01, 9 August 2009 (BST)

Keep on following the exact letter of the guidelines rather than bothering with what it actually meant. --xoxo 14:04, 9 August 2009 (BST)

Keep out of trouble for 5 days and it will have made no difference. Think you can manage it? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:07, 9 August 2009 (BST)

Fuck no. And you well know it's the principle of the matter. If it was your vandalism you could strike it on the day, i have to wait for someone to bother to strike it. And they can just refuse if they like. Which is fucked. The next person to try that one i do plan on A/Ming :P --xoxo 14:17, 9 August 2009 (BST)

Fine by me, I agree that valid strikes shouldn't be refused. But for now, wait 5 days or go to someone else and see if they want to ghost the guidelines for you, because I'll tell you something right now. I have no intention of sidestepping the guidelines for anyone, lest my supposed ex-clique-buttbuddy-partner-in-crime, sorry. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:30, 9 August 2009 (BST)

Since when has any sysop outright refused to strike an escalation when the requirements have been met? Also can I just say how faggoty that passive-aggressive ":P" smiley is? Cyberbob  Talk  14:21, 9 August 2009 (BST)

I grant you my permission to say how faggoty it is. Also i forget who it was. I think SA, i asked on his talk and he said "Oh i don't go on that page" or something. Might have been karek actually. I didn't complain coz by the time i'd logged on someone else has already got it, perhaps boxy.--xoxo 14:24, 9 August 2009 (BST)

It was Nubis. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:30, 9 August 2009 (BST)

Ergh, should have known...--xoxo 14:36, 9 August 2009 (BST)

Well if it happens again - and assuming that the requirements have actually been met - I would say it's definitely worth at least a mention on the A/VB talk page. It's not something that I can see being worthy of an A/M case 90% of the time but it shouldn't happen. Cyberbob  Talk  14:34, 9 August 2009 (BST)

Categorizing.

Hey, thanks for all the categorizing you have done for my images, I forget so easily. _p^yx^z_e^r 12:01, 10 August 2009 (BST)

WikiFauna

Here you go: {{WikiKnight}}

Thanks.

	WikiKnight
	DDR is a WikiKnight and defends the Five Pillars of Wikipedia

Ho ho ho. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 16:20, 11 August 2009 (BST)

Re: SuperNewb

It was vandalism strike one, I'll talk to them if they can be bothered coming back for more ... or you can chase them down as you see fit.

Cheers --Zeug 03:44, 12 August 2009 (BST)

This needs to be addressed...

I really need something addressed. I'm tired of the way people are treating each other, constantly belittling each other here. It has got to stop. Frankly, I'd assume that the Five Pillars of Wikipedia would apply here. If not, something needs to be implemented similar to that.

I don't much appreciate being talked to like I was by I'm a motherfuckin' lyrical wordsmith motherfuckin' genius! here,... Or general subject matter contained here. I can deal with minor cursing, and being put down to an extent.... but seriously, I've had enough of the abuse. I'd appreciate someone putting some sort of limitation on how far it can go. -Poodle of doom 01:51, 13 August 2009 (BST)

Fuck off! Stop running around to sysops pages trying to get them to do something and make a fucking policy!!! --xoxo 02:06, 13 August 2009 (BST)

That could be addressed too.... -Poodle of doom 02:18, 13 August 2009 (BST)

Stop running around and crying to mummy and daddy sysops about being picked on and fucking do something about it yourself, maybe you will get some respect by having a well thought out policy or a nice slick argument back at one of us, rather than crying to the nearest (see:all) sysop whenever someone says a naughty word. Faggot.--CyberRead240 03:27, 13 August 2009 (BST)

Look at the big words fly!! And then pick on someone cause they can't spell! Thanks to all your intellegent ramblings, the world is a whole lot gooder now!! -Poodle of doom 03:52, 13 August 2009 (BST)

Grow a thicker skin and/or ignore them. This isn't a second-grade playground where everyone has to be nice to each other. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 03:56, 13 August 2009 (BST)

"Thanks to all your intellegent ramblings, the world is a whole lot gooder now!!".....I rest my case.....what do you expect mate, if you are an idiot you will be treated like one. Also, learn to fucking indent, ton continue a conversation, you indent, when you edit, look at what the other posters have done to reply to you. You stupidity is boundless.--CyberRead240 04:44, 13 August 2009 (BST)

There is no civility policy on this wiki, they have every right to say what they are saying. The thing is, 90% of the abusing comments on the deletions votes were not personal attacks but only in response to the tameness of the deletions case. As for Read and co, they are shitstirrers and are looking for a reaction from their behaviour, your responsibility is to stop giving it to them.

As for DCC's comment on the open discussion, DCC notoriously swears a lot and it is 100% within his right.

Basically, as per Jed and Read, there's nothing the admin can do to help you or enforce your wishes. It isn't because we are bad sysops, or we like to see this happen, but because the structure of the wiki prevents us from having any authority in stopping user X saying user Y is gay. As for the 5 pillars, a majority of them don't apply to UDWiki at all, namely in this case the fact we don't have a Code of Conduct. The best you can do is to go to arbitration and request something that necessitates your wishes. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 05:43, 13 August 2009 (BST)

UDWiki:News

Its a little home for stuff you remove from News. :) --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:59, 13 August 2009 (BST)

How embarassing. After PCP, I should know better. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:05, 14 August 2009 (BST)

Things to do on the Wiki when you're dead

Ta. Da. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:56, 14 August 2009 (BST)

Brilliant. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:00, 15 August 2009 (BST)

Urban dead has become boring now

I think it is due to the sameness that occurs over time. Nothing ever changes, it's just more of the same. Kill zombies, get killed by pkers, kill humans. It never changes. Do you agree is my question. Aka Paradox 01:55, 15 August 2009 (BST)

I've been playing for just over 2 years and at one point, yes, I thought the game had become boring. I think the game can only become boring if you expect too much from it. I won't go through a history lesson, but when I got bored with the game, I just tried new things. Being a brain rotted human, leading groups, travelling and organising games like manhunts. At the moment I'm with a couple of groups who co-ordinate over IRC and hence it has a fun, welcome, social point to it. When I found UD got boring I just played it more casually, and it worked that way. To play UD you have to be prepared to fight for something, and when a suburb is green and it's surrounding suburbs are as such, there isn't much to fight for, only to stay for. They aren't the same thing.

As for the balance of the game and its structure, I do think that something's wrong. A battle hasn't happened since Kevan introduced cade-blocking and de-centralised malls with the FAKs, which I don't like because I enjoyed being with a massive brethren fighting against the biggest horde there was to offer. Kevan's changed the game over time so it can serve more as a zombie apocalypse, which is great, except for the "apocalypse" part, which Malton is currently not. Survivors outnumber Zombies far too greatly and that's likely to never change in UD's current state.

Long story short: UD gets boring when survivors dominate 70% of the game over zombies. The game isn't boring when someone like The Dead trounce the place and make every single suburb a death zone, because then you have someone to truly fight against and a true goal to achieve. At the moment, it's a bit of a wank for survivors and it's been like it for a while. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:16, 15 August 2009 (BST)

I guess that means I do agree to some extent, but personally I don't find UD boring because I've gone to certain lengths to keep doing what makes me enjoy UD: fight back for suburbs with survivor groups in ravaged towns, and participate in manhunts with friends and other wiki users. You just have to find something Malton that keeps you coming back. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:16, 15 August 2009 (BST)

Thank you for that very honest answer. I honestly think though that it's the "standstill"ness of the game that makes it so different from what I imagined a MMORPG. If it helps you to understand what I mean try to imagine the movie Dawn of the Dead but with you being able to play in the entire city and there's *animation*. I don't want to click on a button and affect essentially nothing cause on a small scale like urban dead it feels like you are only playing with yourself and time is standing still. (no joke intended). I want to like see actual weapons and you aiming at the zombies who number in the hundred thousands as I helplessly try to barricade a mall or something. Can you feel that adrenaline from something so innovative? Aka Paradox 19:08, 15 August 2009 (BST)

Go get dead rising (i think thats its name) or some other zombie xbox game. This is a text based game, it doesn't try to be anything else. Look up text based MMORPG and you'll see theres heaps of them, they aren't everyones cup of tea so you can always play WoW if thats more up your alley.--xoxo 23:59, 15 August 2009 (BST)

I needs a template!!!!!

I need some kinda template that says I'm friggin anoying and probably have the most templates in 1 userpage in this whole wiki please :P --Crazy Hobo Man 13:05, 16 August 2009 (BST)

{{Hyperannoying}}

All in the name of fun, of course. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:29, 16 August 2009 (BST)

LMAO!!! that is epicsauce XD --Crazy Hobo Man 13:34, 16 August 2009 (BST)

Ty, have fun. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:34, 16 August 2009 (BST)

Re-evaluation

Hey, I've just had a thought: shouldn't Daranz be the first sysop up for re-evauation as he was, technically, the first to be promoted (despite his inactivity). I don't mind going first, it gets it out of the way early but I was just wondering what you thought about it?--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 16:17, 20 August 2009 (BST)

If he was the first one to be promoted then you are absolutely right and I apoligize, I set up the A/RE page late at night and was fearful I would get some of the user rights logs a little wrong. It is within your policy to have Daranz go before you, so it's up to what you'd prefer. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:27, 21 August 2009 (BST)

Suggestion:20090820 Zombie hunter Skill

possible meat/socking on keep votes? All very little conrtibs, some with similar sig set ups? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:28, 20 August 2009 (BST)

Wow, that was weird...--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:29, 20 August 2009 (BST)

And here I thought I was the only one. I was looking around to see if there was something against this, but couldn't find anything yet. --DBHT 20:31, 20 August 2009 (BST)

I posted earlier on Cyberbob, because he's always good for an IP check, but he hasn't been online. Ironically, just before I managed to post here, Ross beat me to it. <_< --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:32, 20 August 2009 (BST)

Suggestion

What do you think about the users voting keep on this? I tried asking Cyberbob, but there was no response. There are easily six of them now, and all of them are new users, most of whom have only voted on that suggestion. Do you think that they're sockpuppets, or do you think that they're just a load of newbs? --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:29, 20 August 2009 (BST)

I've run the ips. A couple of them appear to be from the same area, possibly even the same person using a variable ip, but the addresses are different enough that we can't get them for sockpuppetry. Considering the similarities in the quality of their spelling and grammar, and the fact that they're all voting on the same awful suggestion, I would hazard a guess that some of them might be meatpuppets (i.e. the author asked his friends to come along and vote) but there's really nothing we can do about it.The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 20:56, 20 August 2009 (BST)

Damn, I just wrote up the Vandal Banning entry too. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 20:57, 20 August 2009 (BST)

Looks like he is not going to stop--Orange Talk 21:11, 20 August 2009 (BST)

Well, he lost, because the suggestion was spammed. But that doesn't stop him trying again with an even zanier suggestion. How about we create a policy of haviong to have 5+ edits in the past month to vote on a suggestion? I'd happily make a policy discussion for it, but I don't know how.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:40, 20 August 2009 (BST)

If he tries again then I have no doubts whatsoever that it will be spamminated as well. While I do agree that some sort of policy limiting meatpuppetry would be a good idea, but I'm not sure it would be passed as because people wouldn't like the fact that it could restrict new users from voting. The suggestions system has it's own system for suggesting rules changes, etc. which is done through Category_talk:Suggestions#Suggestion_Discussion. Anyway, it appears boxy is more observant than I am and noticed further similarities in the typing patterns and on those grounds I've ruled vandalism.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 22:43, 20 August 2009 (BST)

The Safe Sleeping Policy

Surely you didn't think I was being serious? --Shank Case 05:42, 23 August 2009 (BST)

There are a lot of morons around here, I wouldn't put it past someone, particularly if they are a stranger. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 09:47, 23 August 2009 (BST)

So you went off on the Bunnies' talk page against me instead of first trying to ascertain if I was being serious or not? --Shank Case 17:28, 23 August 2009 (BST)

Why should I bother? The entire topic was on the bunnies talk page, it's just customary on this wiki to continue the conversation there. Personally, I couldn't give two shits whether you were serious or not, the very fact you made the statement at all is ludicrous, even as a joke. Anyone with a shred of common sense would have criticised DTangent when he announced the policy, not just sit back and then cry when he 'breaks' it. If you are so touchy about me taking this up with you on your talk page, there's a lesson to be learned in this and it is you should have taken up your frivolous matter on DTangent's talk page, not the Bunnies. Now you've screwed up and anything goes, so deal with it.

And if you want to continue this on a talk page, then so be it, make it personal, I had trifles with the policy more than you, but whatever. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:00, 24 August 2009 (BST)

I was doing something that I like to call "joking". I don't like getting angry or going into SERIOUS BUSINESS, and prefer to use jokes to get points across. Jokes that are apparently misunderstood at times =] --Shank Case 05:07, 24 August 2009 (BST)

LOL damage control. Nice attempted recovery with the "Oh I was joking bit". --DTangent 19:02, 24 August 2009 (BST)

Well, it's no surprise that my presence in UD is so grandeur that my spoken word is enacted into policies. --DTangent 19:06, 24 August 2009 (BST)

WAIT DDR!

WE CAN'T STOP HERE!...

THIS IS BAT COUNTRY!--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 09:52, 23 August 2009 (BST)

don't worry, he'll see them soon enough! --Honestmistake 10:06, 23 August 2009 (BST)

JESUS CHRIST LOOK! THERE'S TWO WOMEN FUCKING A POLAR BEAR! --/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 10:11, 23 August 2009 (BST)

Talk page

WTF? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 10:07 23 August 2009 (BST)

Hmm, sorry, I originally tried to fix WOOT's header formatting, and my net got sloppy... Beyond that, I don't know what happened. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 10:12, 23 August 2009 (BST)

Contribs stats

The point is.......?--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:21, 24 August 2009 (BST)

It was originally made so I could have a friendly competition with Link over IRC, but while it was being done, I figured it would be more fun to just add some users. Link and I are both into graphs, etc. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:23, 24 August 2009 (BST)

And the joke about adding Rooster to is was that I always claimed that the reason he didn't like it was cause we never put him on, to which he promptly replied "I could just use my bots to mass up thousands of edits and screw your little graph over". I think there was a pompous laugh somewhere in the quote aswell. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:28, 24 August 2009 (BST)

Said laugh would also be evil, maniac and condescending, just for the record. --  RoosterDragon  16:03, 24 August 2009 (BST)

Its how I pictured it. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:31, 25 August 2009 (BST)

ALiM

hey next time you want to vandalise alim with your inane bullshit can you at least post on the talk first so people have an idea what the fuck you're doing. thanks.--xoxo 00:54, 25 August 2009 (BST)

It's called fixing newly broken links caused by unmerging location pages. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 03:53, 25 August 2009 (BST)

I've been unmerging location pages since before you were born pal.--xoxo 01:14, 26 August 2009 (BST)

Hilarious. Keep up the jackass persona and revert it then, saint. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 05:08, 26 August 2009 (BST)

...

I'm not even sure if this is worth saying but I spent around three hours creating this and was tired last night and figured I would fix the link this afternoon when I got home from school but found the page had been deleted, I then looked in recent changes under deletions and found this:

17:20, 26 August 2009 Nubis (Talk | contribs) deleted "Kakashi on crack/toilet tactics" (unused redirect)

I luckily saved a copy and will be fixing it but I thought I would say this anyways because I thought it fell under deletion of other users work or whatever... --Gat 01:54, 27 August 2009 (BST)

You're really really really dumb. Nubis deleted that page because he'd already moved it into your userspace. Cyberbob  Talk  01:56, 27 August 2009 (BST)

well sorry XD I was looking for it for about ten minutes and tried everything under the sun :P anyways I ended up aparently deleting the save file somehow... --Gat 02:00, 27 August 2009 (BST)

It's sysop courtesy to inform the users that their pages have been moved, it makes it easier for the user, but sometimes we forget, sorry. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:59, 27 August 2009 (BST)

Or sometimes we're nubis.--xoxo 04:04, 27 August 2009 (BST)

"We're" Cyberbob  Talk  06:10, 27 August 2009 (BST)

Header Images

In some of the North-Eastern suburbs, I've seen some images, used alogn with the headers, such as , and . I think they give a nicer aesthetic feel to the page. I'd be willing to add them to the other suburbs, but ideally, I'd like to ask a sysops permission first, as it's a change to the overall format of the page. (Well, just adding an image, but still). What do you think?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 14:39, 27 August 2009 (BST)

Sysops don't have any more say over the aesthetics or content (except NPOV) of pages than anyone else. The only reason you should feel the need to ask a sysop before doing something is if you think it might be taken as being vandalism, and the sort of thing you're looking to do is anything but. Cyberbob  Talk  14:59, 27 August 2009 (BST)

Thanks, well I'll get right to work on that then. I just didn't want an a/vb case or anything.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 15:01, 27 August 2009 (BST)

There's seriously honestly truly no need to be wary of being accused of vandalism, much less being "convicted" of it, when you're doing something so obviously in good faith. You do get the odd stupid case from numbskulls who don't bother to ask the person they're accusing about their actions beforehand, but those are a rarity.
BTW: Making A/VB cases doesn't have anything to do with being a sysop in any way shape or form. We do make the majority of them but that's because we - for the most part - tend to either be more active than most people or are simply a bit more alert. It doesn't bear any relation to our position at all. Cyberbob  Talk  15:09, 27 August 2009 (BST)

(sorry if I'm harping on a bit here but I really don't like that particular misconception - nothing against you or anything) Cyberbob  Talk  15:10, 27 August 2009 (BST)

No, I moreso asked a sysop because they have the power to vote, and being a sysop means that you're meant to ahve a better understanding of policy. I was wondering if it breached a policy I was unaware of. I've done the first 10 or so, and I'll continue with the rest another time. I should have finished it within the week. Then I'll start work on trying to get all suburb pages ordered in the same way.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 15:24, 27 August 2009 (BST)

Ah, I misunderstood slightly. Sorry! Cyberbob  Talk  15:26, 27 August 2009 (BST)

Nah, don't worry, it was a misleading statement.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 15:27, 27 August 2009 (BST)

I should probably start calling this Cyberbob's talk page soon, he always seems to get on when I'm not around. Good luck, Yonnua. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 16:02, 27 August 2009 (BST)

OBJECTION Cyberbob  Talk  16:07, 27 August 2009 (BST)

Excuse me?

"Please do not modify suggestion timestamps to deceive users and to "legally" submit two suggestions in the one day. Similarly, do not post humorous/attack suggestions. Further vandalism may end up in your editing privileges being revoked. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:19, 27 August 2009 (BST) "

I didn't change the timestamp to "legally" submit two suggestions in one day. And why can't I post humorous suggestions? Climaxville isn't an attack at anyone... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BlueSpurt (talk • contribs) .

Humourous suggestions are seen as vandalism if posted in the main suggestion system. There is a separate place to put them. -- Cheese 16:29, 27 August 2009 (BST)

A) There is no feasible reason why you should have changed the timestamp on your suggestion and the fact that it was superseded by a multi suggestion made it look bad. B) You can't post humourous suggestions because putting them in the main suggestions system is vandalism. C) Regardless of whether it is/isn't an attack at all, (B) still applies in the justification of your warning. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 16:31, 27 August 2009 (BST)

RE: Okay, fair enough, but I did take it out of the main suggestions system after like 5 minutes. I do have a question though, maybe I'm an idiot and oblivious to the obvious, but why is everyone so worked up about it in the developing suggestions syste? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by BlueSpurt (talk • contribs) .

People like to take their developing suggestion seriously, I guess. If you mean your suggestion that's on there, I guess that don't like to see their seriousness undermined by a joking suggestion. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 00:31, 28 August 2009 (BST)

WTF?

I fixed a minor grammar mistake I made on Rooster's talk page and the page log attributed it to you. Any idea how that happened?--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 01:33, 29 August 2009 (BST)

I wish I could say it's because I'm the almighty lord of the wiki, but it was probably because I got there first. Maybe if an edit conflict is the exact same version as the one its conflicting, it doesn't come up as an edit conflict, but still sticks with the original, don't know. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:38, 29 August 2009 (BST)

So you're saying you spell checked me.--~ Red Hawk One ^{Talk | space for lease} 01:41, 29 August 2009 (BST)

Yeah, I do it lots. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 01:46, 29 August 2009 (BST)

Help with deletion.

Hey there. I tried talking to Daranz about this but he didn't reply. I want to delete both of my accounts (old one and this current one) so that I can make a new account using the name of my old account, so can you please suggest what I should do next? Should I put up both the accounts up for speedy delete, or what? --The Second 09:58, 30 August 2009 (BST)

Daranz speaks the truth. None of us can do anything about it, I'm sorry. Unless you can work out which email addy you registered with (and it's still active), you'll be better off starting again. Did you also sign up as Dr Frankfurt? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 10:14 30 August 2009 (BST)

No, Dr Frankfurt is my alt.--xoxo 10:15, 30 August 2009 (BST)

or is he? --xoxo 10:16, 30 August 2009 (BST)

GTFO, biatch -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 10:17 30 August 2009 (BST)

Does the checkuser bring up a location 2 hours north? If so I would say it is you.--CyberRead240 11:20, 30 August 2009 (BST)

We can't delete users, only their pages. The best thing you could do is make your userpages redirect to the account you want to use. Do you know how to do that? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 11:22, 30 August 2009 (BST)

Thanks, can please you tell me how to redirect pages? And which page should I redirect to? --The Second 12:35, 30 August 2009 (BST)

Alright, for example, if Dr Frank is your old account, you just replace all the content on that page to the following:

#REDIRECT: [[User:NEW ACCOUNT]]

Obviously replacing NEW ACCOUNT with your new username. To change your signature to say the name you want but link to your main account, make the new account that you want and then go to my preferences and change the "nickname" field to the name you want (for example, Dr Frank) and make sure that the "Raw signatures" box underneath it is unchecked, then save your preferences. Your signature should now say your chosen name but link to your new user profile. If you have any problems, just come back and I'll try and help out. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:30, 30 August 2009 (BST)

Technically, you could try to get Kevan to delete it or to install the renameuser extension. However, it's probably simpler to simply create a new account and use a nickname.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 23:21, 30 August 2009 (BST)

Ok, I made a signature for this account that leads to this page. I'll be using this account but logging in with this one. I only need to make sure that User:The Second redirects to User:Dr Frank, or maybe that's not necessary, since the signature takes you to Dr Frank. ~Dr Frank ^{(t) (DF) [P] (Sb)} 04:00, 31 August 2009 (BST)

Hm, I was under the assumption you would be using the account that you were redirecting to and leaving the redirected one inactive because you didn't want it anymore. Why on earth do you want to use one account but make it redirect to an inactive one? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 04:31, 31 August 2009 (BST)

I'm so very confused. I wanted to use my old account, but since I couldn't access it I made this one, and am using it to use the old account. I just want to start using the old, inactive account. I hope there isn't a problem with that... --~Dr Frank ^{(t) (DF) [P] (Sb)} 04:39, 31 August 2009 (BST)

Ah, I see. Look, You should, in my opinion, just make an account called DrFrank or something that's similar and just make that your main account. What you're doing isn't technically wrong but it's just so confusing for users because The Second, on first inspection, is too discernible from Dr Frank it will just confuse users. It's basically up to you. However, it might be worth it to make a notice at the top of Dr Frank, just to say that you edit under the account of The Second, just so no one freaks out etc. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 04:55, 31 August 2009 (BST)

Thanks, well for now I'll just do things as I said before, but I'll definitely try to think out something else. Thanks for the help! --~Dr Frank ^{(t) (DF) [P] (Sb)} 05:58, 31 August 2009 (BST)

Good luck --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 07:34, 31 August 2009 (BST)

Bad, bad precedent. Just get over the loss of the old account, and start again with a similar one... and this time remember to pick an email account you'll still be using in a years time or more -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 10:00 31 August 2009 (BST)

rapture

Thanks for moving that page to my site User:Rapture/The Ignorant

Cheers RE

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rapture (talk • contribs) 20:36, 2 September 2009.

Game History

DanceDanceRevolution said:

make a subcategory of Category:Events that only has in-game events created by kevan eg. fog and hence, make Snow!

The existing categories for game history, fictional backstory, actual news events, mega-impact player events and smaller scale player events is a fucked up as that list itself.

I had a half-hearted attempted at providing some reasonable order in my (on-going) category cleanup. Currently most everything comes under Category:History where I've had a stab at deciding what belongs where. Category:Events would be for game history such as sieges and basically anything players organized. Category:Fiction is the catch-all for anything that's basically creative writing. Generally backstory but some other stuff too. The history category itself I was planning to use to chuck the actual news updates and special happenings like April Fools, Halloween, etc, and maybe any articles that were reasonably NPOV on events that had a big in-game impact (Yahoomas, the goons, etc)

That said, I'm open to debate on all that. I didn't feel upto renaming/recategorizing most of that since they were well populated and whatnot. --  RoosterDragon  01:59, 3 September 2009 (BST)

Hmm. I always prefer using a category like Category:History as a portal category, say for Category:Events, Category:Fiction and perhaps.... Category:Developer Events (decent title TBA obviously), and then all that which is in Category:History and Category:Events can be sorted between those three. What do you think? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:06, 3 September 2009 (BST)

Also good. --  RoosterDragon  02:09, 3 September 2009 (BST)

Grargh, you just will keep adding to my to-do list won't you? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:13, 3 September 2009 (BST)

Don't tempt me. --  RoosterDragon  02:18, 3 September 2009 (BST)

For the record, I'm also up for putting those very relevant events into Category:History like you suggested above. I'll aid in that when I get around to fixing the categories. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:47, 5 September 2009 (BST)

Floating Template-ting

Your old name space (The one with the face and the "stylish minimalism" as you put it) really doesn't help anyone trying to read the far right column on your page. Because you have to scroll down to see it above the template. Or floating page. Or the name you call it, whatever that may be. --Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}13:32, 3 September 2009 (BST)

Hmm. I take it you have a 4:3 monitor? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:46, 3 September 2009 (BST)

Probably. But I get what you mean about the Events thingy. Should I have read more into it?--Rahrah^{Come join the #party!}13:57, 3 September 2009 (BST)

No, don't feel like you're doing wrong because I love all the help I can get- and what you're doing isn't wrong because wiki's are designed to be like this- I just think that "Events" is an apt term to describe the player-run events. particularly because Kevan's are much rarer and perhaps deserve a category called maybe "Official Events". Whatcha think? Obviously if you can think of a better name than Official Events, I'm all ears ;) --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:00, 3 September 2009 (BST)

And also because "Events" will be the category of choice for noobs when they categorise their own event, so we won't have to fix up cock-ups as often. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:02, 3 September 2009 (BST)

You

Probably will get home from work while I am at ze movie cinemah. But, if you are online close to midnight, stay online I have some things to ask of you regarding le Buce and Udwikeh--CyberRead240 10:03, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Anything for buce. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:12, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Hey matey

Can you puhleeze striek meh a warnin' sir? I've amassed said 250 edits--CyberRead240 10:28, 4 September 2009 (BST)

NOT A WARNIN' BUT A BAN! CAN YUH STRIKE IT FOR ME LAD?--CyberRead240 10:28, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Dakerstown Libraries for deletion

Dakerstown Libraries is up for Speedy Deletion. Where do I put it? On the deletions page, where I put Dakerstown Buildings a moment ago or directly to Speedy Deletions? If latter, where there exactly? Thanks. --Maps 15:20, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Just at the top of here (on A/SD) with a level 3 header. You aren't required to give a criterion as users usually can pick it anyway, just throw it on there and say the same thing as you said on A/D with Dakerstown Buildings. For future reference, once building location blocks have become unmerged, they become Criterion 1's for Speedy Deletion because all their content has since been copied to more relevant locations, so they don't need to go through the Deletions page. Good luck. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:25, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Ok, thanks.--Maps 15:56, 4 September 2009 (BST)

If anything wasn't clear or if you have any more questions, I'd love to help. See you around. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 16:01, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Here goes. For some reason the coordinates 6,32 still redirect to Dunell Hills Railway stations, when they should redirect to Brimson Alley Railway Station. Is that because it's http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/6%2C32#Brimson_Alley_Railway_Station when it should actually be http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/6%2C32? If yes, do I just put the former up for speedy deletion and create a new one?--Maps 17:28, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Maybe there were some caching/wiki lag issues, because 6,32 redirects to Brimson Alley Railway Station now. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 17:34, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Ah, yes. You're right. Thanks.--Maps 17:38, 4 September 2009 (BST)

Arbitration

Has started. Please proceed here --Thadeous Oakley 23:34, 11 September 2009 (BST)

Thank you for the notice. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:35, 12 September 2009 (BST)

Undeletion

This is what happens when I go away.

Laughing Boy decides he's going to have his own way with other groups. He creates Mall_Tour_2009/Map after group leadership have already decided to delete it. And then has the actual map deleted because he's apparently in charge.

The deletion breaks links and ruins the fact that the group is hosted entirely in category space as is legal and makes it easier to find things when linking etc.

Deleting it also caused breaks in template links, not that he appears to have considered this first.

Given that group leadership have the right to organise their pages as they see fit, and creating pages in the space of other groups or users has been voted vandalism previously, do we get a deletion of his version and an undeletion of the actual version? Or must there be drama? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:28, 12 September 2009 (BST)

I have a feeling you're looking for this page.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:37, 12 September 2009 (BST)

I know that, but it's easier to resolve here given that official requests will entail questions as to why is was deleted when it broke a template etc. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:39, 12 September 2009 (BST)

Fair enough. I was under the misinterpretation that undeletion required a vote.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:09, 12 September 2009 (BST)

He had to move the page manually because moving category pages is impossible. Having it as a category page was pretty stupid and I agree that it should've been moved. That said there does appear to be this pre-existing duplicate which appears to have been missed be everybody, so it seems like SDing the new page would rectify this.

On a related note, the first level headers of these 09 tour pages still need fixing for interfering with content outside the usual page area. It'd be nice to see something actually done about that. --  RoosterDragon  00:39, 13 September 2009 (BST)

Who asked for a move? No-one in the group. In owned userspace people and groups can create subpages as they see fit. What we have here is someone recreating a page leadership had deleted, and then having a perfectly legal page deleting and breaking links elsewhere. How hard is it for the sysop team to respect the rights of groups? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:18, 13 September 2009 (BST)

It was an unused category, open to speedydeletion. What a stupid way to set up a group, putting it in the category space. This was always going to happen -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 03:03 13 September 2009 (BST)

The way the whole group was set up seems to have been done specifically to create namespace drama. It's clear that group pages and sub pages in the main namespace are owned pages, there is no need for groups on User pages or group sub-pages in the category namespace. Categories are deleted when no other pages are in the category, regardless of whether they are created by groups -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 03:05 13 September 2009 (BST)

People breaking templates and sysops supporting them. People creating pages in the group space and sysops supporting them when it's been ruled vandalism before. Sysops accusing me of creating drama when I was following the example set by two then sysops. A sysop managing to argue here when he hasn't ruled on the major misconduct case at hand, normal users can argue, they can't rule misconduct. The other sysop finding time to argue here and not actually do my protections.

It's like nothing has actually changed here.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 03:15, 13 September 2009 (BST)

Maybe if you didn't make things so complicated, things wouldn't be so easy to stuff up, eh? I knew this was going to cause all sorts of drama, months ago... and you're just loving it, eh -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 03:25 13 September 2009 (BST)

Again you leap to my guilt.... except.... go use that nice ability to look at deleted pages and tell me who created it. Then come back here and apologise for accusing me of something I didn't do. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 03:59, 13 September 2009 (BST)

It's very simple really, don't screw up the group's wiki-organisation, and random users won't have to come along and fix it for you. If you think that's it's entirely sensible to have a template trying to act as a group subpage in the category namespace, then something is sorely wrong with you. --  RoosterDragon  04:29, 13 September 2009 (BST)

Did you just accuse me of creating that page as well? Go use that natty little tool that lets you look at it and then come here and apologise as well.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:33, 13 September 2009 (BST)

Did I say you created it? No. But you are staunchly protesting beyond all good sense. Especially since the new page will get nuked for dupe-ness in short order anyway. --  RoosterDragon  04:37, 13 September 2009 (BST)

"It's very simple really, don't screw up the group's wiki-organisation, and random users won't have to come along and fix it for you." As this page is the only one in question and you've said "fix it for you", I didn't create it, so they aren't fixing it for me. It also can't be a dupe, as the fucking leadership of the group already had the page he re-created deleted under owner privilege. He decided he was going to go against the express wishes of the owners of the page and bring back something they had removed. Also, still doesn't address why it went through this process and broke a template whilst no fucker noticed. It also doesn't explain why my protections still aren't done (oh you must not be one of those janitorial sysops...) or you can take the time to argue here and not consider the misconduct cases (so you aren't a ruling sysop either.... what do you actually do with the position?). Still waiting for my apology. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:47, 13 September 2009 (BST)

I'm sorry, Iscariot, sorry that you're such a tool. You created this mess when you organised the group this way. You created the original Category:Mall Tour 2009 page, that forced this sub page to become an unused category when someone else just tacked on the /MT09Map to the end like anyone would. It wouldn't be a problem if the page was in the proper place in the first place, in the main namespace. If you were really looking to help fix up the Mall Tour 2009 pages, you'd be fixing any links or inclusions that may be stuffed up, and making it easy for "the group leadership" to use without creating confusing and duplicate pages all over the wiki -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 07:18 13 September 2009 (BST)

As stupid as the whole thing may seem, it is a group project and if having it in its current incarnation is breaking links and inclusions then they have a right to want it reverted. I've undeleted the category, will you be fit to fix the links etc. Iscariot? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 04:40, 13 September 2009 (BST)

The linkages should have refixed themselves now the undeletion has occurred. Mall_Tour_2009/Map will need re-SDing using Fiffy's original wishes, it is also a dupe of the needed version. Thanks muchly. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:47, 13 September 2009 (BST)

Also, in response to your offer on A/M, any links/evidence of vandalism brought to me will be compiled into a case against DCC, unfortunately I am not so handy at sifting through masses of contributions, so if you feel up to the task, I will take what you find to A/VB. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 04:44, 13 September 2009 (BST)

You can't take every contribution to VB, Karek set the precedent for that, you can only do it for each type of offence. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 04:47, 13 September 2009 (BST)

I thought thats what you were implying. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 04:51, 13 September 2009 (BST)

OMFG YOU WILL CREAM

I msn'd with Finis at 4:30 am Monday morning. I have screenies it was fucccking hilarious. He plays WOW now.--CyberRead240 19:51, 13 September 2009 (BST)

Yeah, my msn logs implied that we have been online at the same time but I'd missed it. Why didn't you call me?! ;_; --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 22:56, 13 September 2009 (BST)

Thanks for the text to the 2 cool guys ready..--xoxo 05:48, 14 September 2009 (BST)

Finished sorting out my template

Just FYI.... -Poodle of doom 23:05, 13 September 2009 (BST)

Thanks. I'll protect it now, unless you have anything you'd still like to tweak. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 23:15, 13 September 2009 (BST)

Also, thanks for being so co-operative when sorting out all this business. I know it's annoying, but I appreciate it. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 23:17, 13 September 2009 (BST)

Naw, nothing yet anyway. I think everything should be good, unless something comes up in the future. But we'll just unprotect it again. I don't mind being so patient. And it was no bother. I just hate it when people get on my ass,... but since you all asked so nicly,... I'm happy to help. -Poodle of doom 23:24, 13 September 2009 (BST)

Thoughts?

I invite you to add any thoughts you have. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:58, 15 September 2009 (BST)

Newbie

Hi, I'm Drox and I'm new. I usually run around, updating building statuses and such. When I got to my usual pages at West Becktown, I got a "welcome newbie" message. It redirected me to the Project Mentor page and asked me to pick one. So, what do I do? - Droxisla 14:14, 16 September 2009 (BST)

Well, it depends what you want to do on the wiki. I see you've already gotten used to updating Danger Reports, but there's more to be found on the wiki, say, if you'd like to make/join an in-game group, or read UD's history, read about items/skills, or help maintain certain status reports (which you already do for buildings), then you're always welcome to hang around. It all depends on what you're interested in, so if you ever find something you'd like to do, and need a hand, I'll always be here. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:17, 16 September 2009 (BST)

Alright. I'll drop you a message whenever I think about starting a project. I'm currently just maintaining daily status reports in whatever buildings I run past. But I'm thinking of writing some form of historical background for some of the buildings in Malton, like St. Werburgh's Hostpital. No one's written anything about it yet. -- Droxisla 14:34, 16 September 2009 (BST)

Yeah, we always welcome users adding some historical backstories to the buildings, good luck with whatever you endeavour, I'll be around if you ever need advice. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:36, 16 September 2009 (BST)

Why the hell cant I add a recent changes style comment anymore? Did kevan actually upgrade the place?

Ill amend the ruin thing tonight. Manhunt wise I was thinking tagteam, teams of two, or something along the following lines, 5 points for a kill, human versus human, 2 points for reviving another competitor? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:38, 16 September 2009 (BST)

Hey, as long as you're willing to have it called Ross's Manhunt, it can be anything you like ;) I'd be for tagteam, that'd be great fun. And what did you mean by RC style comment? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:49, 16 September 2009 (BST)

Firstly I'd call it Ross' Manhunt. Second of all, I'd get Haask as my Wingperson, thirdly, Im pretty sure its because I pressed the + button, thinking with hindsight. This is what happens when you dont go on a wiki for 2 weeks. I bet DS is in a right state. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:07, 16 September 2009 (BST)

Fine, Fine (I wasn't actually eluding to us being a team, just agreeing with the idea) and, well, sort of fine... You'd think with Iscariot back DS'd be worse, but I guess it'll always be the same no matter who is there. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 16:10, 16 September 2009 (BST)

Yep, I noticed he is. I wonder If he'll bring back his no more heroes rant. Its my favourite. Im going now, I may write up the most stupid fort defense plan ever later. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:16, 16 September 2009 (BST)

The pair of you can fuck right off, when I had Talk:Suggestions in an iron grip the stupid shit was held to a minimum, they're suggesting AoE multiple times and flat out dupes on there now, huge improvement you guys have made.

No More Heroes was brought back in May when the plagiarism went away, it can be found here. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 16:32, 16 September 2009 (BST)

Did I say it was better? Nope. It's just nice to have other people who knew what dupes were, how to format, and what search rate dilution meant. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 01:38, 17 September 2009 (BST)

What's with this "search rate dilution" crap?! What you need, Ross, is alcohol to dilute your mind, now fuck off DDR and get out on the dance floor! --Thurgood 02:26, 17 September 2009 (BST)

Wow, insults based on chosen character names! Do me, do me.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 07:17, 17 September 2009 (BST)

Signatures

Are to identify people. Next time you want to be a douche about a comment about a policy at least remember when people you now personally have been banned for it in the past. Especially when it's one of the more notably relevant cases regarding said policy in recent history. --Karek^maps?! 14:05, 17 September 2009 (BST)

I never saw Read's obvious bad-faith signature as close to Iscariot's current one as I do now. Thanks. Leave the arguments on their respective pages by the way, don't try and throw such shit in my face via my talk page. Thanks in advance. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:10, 17 September 2009 (BST)

Lose the attitude before I treat you in the manner your requesting. You may feel that you're being here and my not makes my comments invalid but it doesn't. Just because I'm not here for every whiny cunt drama fest doesn't make my additions any less valid, especially when I'm commenting for valid reasons. So you're butthurt about something, get over it or come to me and actually bitch about it in a manner that actually has you not behaving like a royal cunt for no reason because, at this point, that's exactly what you're doing all over the wiki. I posted it on your talk page because that's direct to you and you get a notice and are obviously on, there's no throwing it in your face beyond saying lose the baseless attitude, the rest is "hey, look, this is relevant to my comment and why I posted to boxy and if you're going to continue in that discussion you should probably be aware of it" Sorry I didn't phrase it nice enough, I wasn't aware you were raging at me in general about stupid shit until your last ridiculous comment on A/M. --Karek^maps?! 14:20, 17 September 2009 (BST)

I never said anything you was saying was less valid. I said if you actually paid more attention to the events you were commenting on there would be less likelihood of stuffing it up, reasonable enough? Yeah, you're free to comment on my talk page but my preference is that we keep the disputes on one page for ease of reading for other users/ourselves later on. I have no further interest in pursuing this Karke, the only reason I had a bite was because a) you complained about no one 'going on' about Iscariot's signature, implying that we as sysop weren't doing their job, when I clearly had 'gone on' about it, hence the butthurt. Also, under my obligation to let the community have their say on A/M before archival is the only reason I had a go at you for prolonging the unnecessary and futile discussion about an admittedly preposterous (but dead) proposal, and then you claiming me that I am not doing my job, hence the further butthurt. I'm over it now. Arsehole, douche, ignorant, biased, bad sysop, whatever I am, I'm over the argument. Just happy Nubis' chapter is finally over and I couldn't care much about anything else we argued about.

To DDR, my sig wasn't bad faith. Being slightly annoying isn't bad faith. The way the Sysop team didnt give me one week to change it is bad faith. The way I was banned for increasing the amount of links to my user page and subpages and removing the amount of external links while decreasing the amount of characters in the link was bad faith.

And to Karek, I lol'd at you saying blah blah..."doesn't make my opinion any less valid". I think I remember you claiming that anyone who wasn't a sysop didn't have an opinion worth listening to. You said it on basically every medium I've ever corresponded with you. You made a big fuss about being elitist on IRC, remember?--CyberRead240 15:38, 17 September 2009 (BST)

I think you're confusing situational elitism and educated contributing. My addition on sysop stuff matters on the basis that I can legitimately talk on precedence and policy in a knowledgeable and correct manner. Being there when something happens isn't a viable limiter to user contribution when it doesn't limit the ability of the user to monitor the going ons of the issue/case/event, activity is not a measure of correctness. --Karek^maps?! 22:30, 17 September 2009 (BST)

I also own a Thesaurus. No, you are still a hypocrite, no matter how badly you try to sound important.--CyberRead240 04:26, 18 September 2009 (BST)

i

You are still butthurt that I never explained the i in Misconduct. How petty of you to change it just because you didn't "get it".--– Nubis ^NWO 18:27, 18 September 2009 (BST)

Since your demotion, someone had the chance to actually archive one of your cases before you could speed-archive it yourself. I took the liberty of making the page uniform to the other archive pages. In fact, you are entirely wrong, even if I was told the meaning of it, I wouldn't agree with having it there anyway. And it would seem I wasn't the one who was still butthurt, since you were the one who came to my page with the intent of pestering me about something you no longer have control over. You should have known it wouldn't stay there forever. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 03:56, 19 September 2009 (BST)

yeah sorry mang but you're pretty obviously still hung up over it if you're able to recall it with such speed and write a bunch of angery words about it Cyberbob  Talk  06:23, 19 September 2009 (BST)

*get out the list of "Cyberbob's reasons for users being butthurt" and adds 'replying quickly to criticism'* --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 06:25, 19 September 2009 (BST)

it was always on there :smug: Cyberbob  Talk  07:06, 19 September 2009 (BST)

dammit. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 07:19, 19 September 2009 (BST)

Orphaned Recruitment

To save me a headache, im going to create a subst templat I can put on groups talk page to say "Hey heres a link to your recruitment advert, its unlinked, dont want it put it on deletions". Any idea on appropriate wording? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:21, 22 September 2009 (BST)

Orphaned Page

The following page(s) are orphaned, meaning they aren't linked from any other page on UDWiki. For house-keeping's sake, we are simply adding the link onto the relevant talk page. You aren't required to do anything, but we'd appreciate if it you kept the link on any one of your page (it can include this one). Thanks, and have a nice day.

Not so good with these, but maybe something along those lines? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 11:29, 22 September 2009 (BST)

its a good start, thanks. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:51, 22 September 2009 (BST)

	Orphaned Page
	The following page(s) were orphaned, meaning they weren't linked from any other page on UDWiki. For house-keeping's sake, we are adding the link onto the relevant talk page. If you don't want the pages anymore just post them on the Deletions Page. You aren't required to do anything, but we'd appreciate if it you kept the link on any one of your pages (it can include this one). Thank you.

Hows that? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:43, 22 September 2009 (BST)

Yeah, just saw it on RC. I like the image and the colouring, but imo the text is too small to be helpful. I was just toying with it when you PM'd me, maybe something like:

	Orphaned Page
	The following page(s) were orphaned, meaning they weren't linked from any other page on UDWiki. For house-keeping's sake, we are adding the link onto the relevant talk page. If you don't want the pages anymore just post them on the Deletions Page. You aren't required to do anything, but we'd appreciate if it you kept the link on any one of your pages (it can include this one). Thank you.

Would be easier to read? just default sized the text and widened it so it wrapped properly around the image. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 15:46, 22 September 2009 (BST)

CORAM vs Coram

Hey, thanks, was just about to go through the speedy deletion crap... Yes, please, delete Coram. Thanks x --  ▧  ^{: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :} 16:58, 22 September 2009 (BST)

Thank you x --  ▧  ^{: : : : : : : : : : : : : : : :} 17:04, 22 September 2009 (BST)

Crat

Good work on making Crat. Bit of a surprise to log in and find you've been promoted. Good Luck, Have Fun. --Scurley7 13:11, 25 September 2009 (BST)

Also sending my congrats on the promotion. Make the wiki proud. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 18:08, 26 September 2009 (BST)

<bandwagon> If you mess it up I'll eat your face and laugh.-- Adward  20:22, 27 September 2009 (BST)

So.

Would you prefer me to start a new vandal banning case against Nubis for this post here where she claims DCC as an alt, or should we just merge the vandal data and then count up all of the times Nubis ruled for DCC and if that result is over 1 (which is how many steps beyond 1 month ban to a possible permaban) and go for a permaban vote among the sysops? --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 21:27, 25 September 2009 (BST)

Hahahaha you guys are soooo fucking butthurt if you're still going on about this shit. abloobloobloo i was BETRAYD Cyberbob  Talk  22:04, 25 September 2009 (BST)

I can't believe you are actually so childish you are taking this personally and fighting DCC's battle for him... If it has anything to do with you being a goon I am disgusted that you of all people could be influenced by something so trivial. Hoping I'm wrong, though any reason is sad enough for the way you behave like this. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:42, 26 September 2009 (BST)

Ues I amthe childish one here.......................................... Cyberbob  Talk  12:55, 26 September 2009 (BST)

Thank you dearly for proving my point. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:28, 26 September 2009 (BST)

you came so close but just missed the mark Cyberbob  Talk  13:35, 26 September 2009 (BST)

I'm not sure. A large case is not likely to succeed because we are hesitant to rule on things we can't prove, namely actions that go far back that can't be proved via checkuser. Technically, once DCC is on A/VB, any one of us can call for a premature permaban vote, as per Nubis' own typical precedence established here, but despite the fact DCC has claimed multiple times to have been in control of Nubis account for over a year (eg. A/PM and Nub's talk page), I doubt you'll get the outcome you hoped for. Personally, now he's been demoted they've gone more or less inactive, which supports the theory that they are the same person (the buttons are gone now so he has no interest to come back), but at the same time, asking for more is a bit much. If you want to do the method which has more chance of succeeding, I'd suggest the first one. The team, myself included, has shown enough apathy in enforcing the second method that I wouldn't think your chances are high. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:42, 26 September 2009 (BST)

Developing Guides?

What you reckon?

Worth it?

I know I havent finished with orphans yet, and Im currently writing an essay on espoused theory, but it could be worth it. Any way, my guides been up for voting for much longer than a week. Want to do the honours? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:22, 27 September 2009 (BST)

I know it won't get used as much as DS, but it'd be handy, and it'd save guys like you from having to take your suggestion through the official system just for some feedback. And regarding the week period, I've just changed it to two weeks because Link had been meaning to since the great Guide purge, but forgot. Hope you don't mind it being up there a few more days. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 23:36, 27 September 2009 (BST)

what the eff

did you seriously go to bed at 2 and get up at 8? FREAKKK Cyberbob  Talk  23:53, 27 September 2009 (BST)

:( --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:10, 28 September 2009 (BST)

nope

lol Jack Heins 02:57, 28 September 2009 (BST)

Barricade Plan Template -- District Version

Hey DDR. I've been working on a district version of the standard suburb barricade plan template. I have all the crazy linked coding set up (so that if you make a change to the suburb's plan it is reflected in the district plan automatically), but for some reason I'm still having some issues with uniform sizing of the suburbs within the district. I talked to Red Hawk One about it and he said you might have a better idea of how to go about fixing it.

I just spent the last couple hours playing with both the individual suburb width and height values and those in my tables, but both to nil effect. Hoping that maybe you can think of something I haven't, or that collective brainstorming will come to a solution. I'd love to set this up for all the districts in Malton, but not unless they can look good. All the work is in my Sandbox. Thanks in advance! --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 08:02, 29 September 2009 (BST)

Hmm. I looked at all the sandboxes, I think I understand what you mean... this is the issue, yes? The odd spaces and whatnot inbetween all the individual suburb inclusions? Does it mean that you'd like them all together without spaces inbetween? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 08:34, 29 September 2009 (BST)

That's exactly what I'm looking for. Either so there is no space, or so there is minimal space. Either way, the varied sizes among all the suburbs is what is driving me crazy right now. --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 07:21, 30 September 2009 (BST)

I think this one may be beyond me at the moment- It's over my head but regardless I'll give it a go after work tomorrow, but in the interest of getting it fixed as soon as possible I've contacted some of the better coders on the wiki, they'll definitely be able to do it for you, the only question is whether they'll come onto UDWiki soon enough to see it. We'll see. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 14:02, 30 September 2009 (BST)

I've been working on it since the beginning of 2009 to get this far, so I'm not in a big rush. But thanks for contacting other coding folks about it! --Maverick ^{Talk - OBR 404} 06:28, 1 October 2009 (BST)