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OH FUCKKK ITS CYBERBOB HAMMER DAT Strongly Against BUTAN

Basically I'm deciding to totally backflip on my longstanding position of not wanting to be a sysop again. Why? Well I pretty much feel like this wiki's in for a bit of a rough patch with regards to policy and it's really frustrating having to sit on the sidelines and hope my posts are read by sysops.

Now because I don't want to base my bid entirely around a temporary (and possibly one that's not going to happen) state of affairs, here's some other totally awesome shit: I pretty much know this joint inside and out, I'm more than capable of separating personal conflicts with my sysop duties and I'm almost always active so that's something too.

Not much else to say, really (tbh I dunno why I'm bothering to even write this much; not a lot I can say now will change any opinions on either side of the aisle). --Cyberbob 16:48, 5 June 2009 (BST)

• Vouch for this mutha fucka.
  1. He knows what he's doing
  2. He knows when to take things over the accustomed edge
  3. He actually does shit around here, unlike a few ops.
  4. While he may be a bit of a troll, EVERYONE of the ops team is occasionally, not to mention half the community.
  5. Voting against because of your personal past with him, without having any regards to how he'd do in the admin section, is petty. Grow up.

  Vote Cyberbob240. He actually has a clue.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 16:53, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  in b4 'crat bias.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 17:09, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  zomg bias? Linkthewindow  Talk  08:01, 6 June 2009 (BST)

• Vouch - I do strongly believe Cyberbob would be an asset to the sysop team. He really, really knows his stuff. He isn't afraid of drama, and doesn't let relationships or images affect his judgment. He knows progress and he knows this wiki. I often feel ashamed of how long it took me to appreciate Bob. I would love for him to have another shot. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 17:05, 5 June 2009 (BST)
• Question: Looking at point 5 from SA. Hypothetically speaking, if I was up for promoting would you vouch or not vouch for me?--Thadeous Oakley, Europeans, don't forget to VOTE! 17:32, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  Are you talking about me or Bob? Either way, I think I speak for both of us when I say you need a lot more practice with the admin sections.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 17:36, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  No. Not because I personally don't like you (though I imagine my actual against comment would just be "Retard" or something; I'm lazy like that) but because I don't think you are emotionally stable enough to remain objective when considering particularly charged vandalism/misconduct cases. --Cyberbob 17:42, 5 June 2009 (BST)

• Vote changed to AGAINST Your amazing change to a polite and semi reasonable individual has actually convinced me that you cannot be trusted to be at all consistent... Skills are not enough for this role and frankly i just do not trust your judgement! --Honestmistake 00:21, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  I have vouched for Bob in the past and my opinion of his ability to do the job has not changed, he really does know his shit and could do a pretty damn good job in the post if he stopped being so abusive and confrontational. Sadly his attitude to this place has changed greatly since he last stood and I don't think we need a self confirmed career troll in the sysop team and I do not know that he can be trusted not to get bored and keep trolling way beyond what should be acceptable. Lastly, his assertion that he wants the post so that his opinion will have more weight also speaks volumes about his intent, Policy discussions are open to all and are voted on by all... a sysop badge does not give it any real weight--Honestmistake 17:37, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  You (should) know as well as anyone who's spent a long time on this wiki that the outcomes of especially grey vandalism cases can determine precedent that fundamentally changes how things operate. I thought I was being clear about referring to those situations rather than policy votes; apparently not. --Cyberbob 17:42, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  Completely agree with you about precedent (even though all cases are evaluated on their own merit) and the frustration of not having any real voice on such issues... you do clearly mention Policy rather than A/VB though and, as I am expecting the current cases to end up with attempts at policy changes, it was an obvious inference to make. TBH I am very torn on this one as I know you can do the job but your behavior towards me and a good number of other users makes me wonder if you would so the job as it should be done.--Honestmistake 17:56, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  Oh well. --Cyberbob 17:58, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  Lol? I've always been a bit schizo with my manners Honest, dunno why it would come as a complete surprise to you now. --Cyberbob 06:49, 13 June 2009 (BST)

• Vouch' - He's a bastard, but an honest bastard. I don't always agree with what he says/his attitude, but I can trust him to make the right decision when it matters.-- Adward  17:52, 5 June 2009 (BST)
• Against From what I've noticed, he's abusive and nasty. For example, on this page, while registering against someone's nomination, he included the comment, "Retard. Fuck off." That's needless, gross, and shouldn't be encouraged with sysop promotion. --_GANG Giles Sednik _CAPD 17:53, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  To be fair, he was pretty much correct. And there is no civility policy on this wiki.-- Adward  17:59, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  But that's no reason to be uncivil. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:35, 5 June 2009 (BST)

• Weak Against - Your behaviour makes me believe that you don't seem to care anymore, or just fooling around for kicks, neither of which are good. Feel free to prove me otherwise. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:35, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  Have you not seen the seriousness with which I've treated the recent drama surrounding Iscariot and the associated misconduct cases? Sure I've had some fun with Honest, but for the most part I've been keeping things cool calm and collected. --Cyberbob 18:39, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  I don't mind a little tomfoolery, but are you still going to make comments such as "Retard. Fuck off." on people's bids, for example? I gave a weak against because of what I gather from how you acted when you were a sysop (this is a positive), but some of your less than pleasant comments are not exactly constructive. By all means, you don't have to be the goody tooshoo but it would be appreciable if you would cut down on some of those comments. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:57, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  My lazy approach to promotions bids is pretty much born from the attitude that there isn't a lot I could say to influence the outcome either way. This would probably change if I was promoted I guess; it is an admin page and as a sysop you kind of feel obligated to take it seriously even if it isn't technically a sysop duty. --Cyberbob 19:07, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  Mkay, fair enough, I suppose. I'll Vouch for you. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:44, 7 June 2009 (BST)

• Against - The thought of him being able to stay serious and neutral in the job is laughable.--SirArgo ^Talk 18:37, 5 June 2009 (BST)
• Vouch -- Cheese 19:12, 5 June 2009 (BST)
• Vouch - As SA and Drawde. Also, his name is Bob. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 19:16, 5 June 2009 (BST)
• Weak Vouch - As Gnome and Honest, but also as Drawde. --Janus ^talk 20:49, 5 June 2009 (BST)
• Reluctant, yet still strong Against - While I think Cyberbob could make a good sysop if he put effort into it, it's the kind of laziness he mentions in his reply to Thad that forces me to be against the bid. I strongly believe a candidate should be behaving in a way fitting of a sysop (which includes justifying his decisions) well before promotion. --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 20:54, 5 June 2009 (BST)
• Against - As Argo. The people who get the super-wiki-powers should be fair, smart and not assholes. Period. Bob knows his shit and I don't doubt that he could be fair if he had to be, but I doubt his motives. I think the word fagtard is funny too, but launching it repeatedly at other wiki users does not a sysop make. Can someone (or maybe Bob himself) tell me what he's done lately that made the wiki a better place? --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 23:49, 5 June 2009 (BST)

  Welp, when did I use the word fagtard? As for stuff I've done that's made the wiki a better place, I'd like to think I've had at least a minor effect on the outcome of Iscariot's case. As for my motives... you should look back in the archives to the last time I was a sysop. I was pretty much exactly the same personality-wise as I am now, yet I always separated my official duties from my personal relationships. This would still hold true. If you meant why I want the job back, my motives there are that I'm sick of feeling like I'm being ignored on vandalism cases which are especially grey; I know why we have the users-on-the-talkpage deal but all the same it's kind of obvious that the sysops don't read it. On top of all this I do make an excellent janitor and I enjoy the work (not the power, the work). --Cyberbob 03:51, 6 June 2009 (BST)

  I read the talk page, but that's because I bring up recent changes starting at the time I was last up, and work my way up bringing the interesting diff links up in new tabs as I go.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 04:18, 6 June 2009 (BST)

• Against - I want to be able to vouch for bob, but with one nubis causing this much trouble, it's hard to want a second...--xoxo 07:39, 6 June 2009 (BST)

  That's a pretty fallacious argument. --Cyberbob 08:01, 6 June 2009 (BST)

  Then pick holes in it? --xoxo 08:03, 6 June 2009 (BST)

  For one thing I'm not Nubis. We are in complete disagreement about the recent drama over Iscariot, and have exchanged a number of rather heated posts about it. I also don't do meltdowns. If I'm pissed/depressed/tired/whatever I take a break for a while rather than going off on a rampage, so to suggest that I am a "second Nubis" makes for a nice little witticism but it falls down under even the most cursory examination of our attitudes. --Cyberbob 08:42, 6 June 2009 (BST)

  Ah yes good sir, however you failed to notice you're both annoying twats.--xoxo 07:58, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  heh heh heh good one --Cyberbob 08:14, 7 June 2009 (BST)

• STRONGEST VOUCH I've never had a problem with Bob. He's definitely not a Nubis Jr. I think I would know. --– Nubis ^NWO 09:42, 6 June 2009 (BST)
• VOUCH FUCK OFF RETARD! there someone had to say it. yes bob is a troll sometimes. but most of the time he is right.----Sexualharrison 13:11, 6 June 2009 (BST)
• Against. Wont let personal relationships get in the way of good judgment? lol. You have practically shown a complete inability for any sort of reform with anyone who doesn't bow down and lick your arse in order to shy away from your constant harassment. There is no way you will be able to resist doing SOMETHING wrong. Do we want another boxy/nubis/hagnat? Hiding behind the red tape in order to boss the users around and do whatever the fuck they feel like? Remember, the sysops didnt cite personal issues when they took Jed out. He mightnt have deserved to have been there in the first place, but he was there. Also, argues his point with more big words rather than big points. Don't buy Bob a thesaurus for christmas he obviously already has 12, and that maeks hm smart. I am also against gay marriage and guns.--CyberRead240 14:10, 6 June 2009 (BST)

  u mad? --Cyberbob 14:17, 6 June 2009 (BST)

  omg no >:( --CyberRead240 14:34, 6 June 2009 (BST)

• STRONGEST VOUCH Oh my fluffy ever lovin ghod....Bob has been needed back on the team for a long ass time Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:19, 7 June 2009 (BST)
• Fuck no --WanYao 06:35, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  You want a justification? As many, many others have pointed out... though he may have the wiki skills, his attitude is one of the worst amongst the wiki regulars. Yuh, all of us can be trollish at times. But cyberbob revels in in being a complete twat. Not the type of personality who should be promoted. --WanYao 06:41, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  felling angery? --Cyberbob 06:43, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  not at all. --WanYao 07:03, 7 June 2009 (BST)

• Vouch I was on the fence...good skills...bad attitude...hmmm, what do do? Then Wan weighed in and tipped the balance.--Zombie Lord 07:31, 7 June 2009 (BST)
• Vouch for Cyberbob or I'll get my Mudkips on you! But in all seriousness, definitely! Cyberbob had, so far, 2 successful promotion bids. He knows how to run this wiki. Let's give him a 3rd successful bid and many more! --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} (status:‎Mudkip!) 14:26, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  2 successful bids? I've only been a sysop once... --Cyberbob 14:28, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  My bad. I misread the successful bids list. I haven't had my daily caffine yet, so excuse me for being sluggish... --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} (status:‎Mudkip!) 14:32, 7 June 2009 (BST)

• Against Giles Sednik quoted "Retard.Fuck off" and I must agree I dont think that language is required here, therefore allowing that person more "power" in my opinion is folly, I dont doubt he is very skilled at what he does but if I was spoke to like that it would make me think twice about using the wiki.--C Whitty 19:06, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  Good thing I don't swear at newbies then, wouldn't you say? --Cyberbob 19:10, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  Then I'm wondering why you haven't left yet. Almost everyone here uses harsh language, it's one of the problems with the internet. and our current ops team (Especially me) cusses up a storm, with insults for good measure. If you're going to base your experiences of off civility, you really are in the wrong place. Perhaps Neopets would be a better choice? ;) --Mr. Angel, Help needed? 19:18, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  And this is precisely why new people leave quickly and why most of UD sees us as a laughing stock.--SirArgo ^Talk 19:23, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  /rage over izzy hurting his feelings.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 19:42, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  No man, I'm just saying. If anything this would be agreeing with "Izzy". He has long said that nobody likes the wiki and most people just avoid it at all costs.--SirArgo ^Talk 19:48, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  That is truly one of the great pieces of irony; Iscariot goes on about the wiki's bad rep while simultaneously doing more to tarnish its image than almost anyone else in its history. (sorry, did you see him as some kind of saintly prophet?) --Cyberbob 20:07, 7 June 2009 (BST)

  Lols.--SirArgo ^Talk 20:24, 7 June 2009 (BST)

• Vouch - I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS IS BUT I'M TOTALLY VOUCHING FOR THIS SHIT! Weeks 06:03, 8 June 2009 (BST)
• Against- I think he's an ass. Short and sweet.--Drunk Link2500 20:46, 8 June 2009 (BST)

  Umbrella bots out in force eh? --Cyberbob 05:24, 9 June 2009 (BST)

• Against - It is the will of DORIS: <~AnimeSucks> !8ball Does Cyberbob deserve to be Sysop again? | ~AnimeBot24-7 sighs in frustration, mumbling under his breath about people bothering him, before communing with Pluto; he shakes his 8 ball, and says..."Never." THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 05:02, 9 June 2009 (BST)

  welp --Cyberbob 05:24, 9 June 2009 (BST)

• Gold in basket - I demand gold in the basket and a promise that you will vote misconduct and get Boxy removed from being a sysop. On another note, I'd like to say Paddy Dignam is a faggot. I'd rather have a sysop that is an asshole and does his job than a nice guy who doesn't do shit right. In other words, Paddy wishes the wiki sysops were more like himself, a white knight bitch that doesn't like people who are mean, yet honest. If you vote Against because you think Cyberbob is mean then eat a dick, shitheads. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 05:06, 9 June 2009 (BST)

  idk mang boxys kind of a bro apart from that case (spot on about paddy though) --Cyberbob 05:24, 9 June 2009 (BST)

  Against - As I said, boxy removed or no vouch. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS I jizzed in my pants pr0n} 05:49, 9 June 2009 (BST)

• Vouch Partially, but not entirely because he just called me a tool. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:24, 9 June 2009 (BST)

  Well you were kind of being one. The rule we were talking about is a horrible one which everyone is better off being unaware of. It was good to see that you aren't following Hagnat's lead in the more important aspects of the situation (ie. whether or not it's good) though. Insult partially, but not entirely retracted ;) --Cyberbob 10:40, 9 June 2009 (BST)

  And you explained your point in a short, concise manner, displaying knowledge of past events and possible future issues. Without having to resort to the grim copyrighted wall of text (c) Plus bobs never annoyed me. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:19, 9 June 2009 (BST)

• Against - As Wanyao. --Private Mark 19:22, 9 June 2009 (BST)

  im sorry that ur so angery at me, udwiki editor and contributor "macampos" aka "private mark" :( --Cyberbob 19:39, 9 June 2009 (BST)

  I'm 95% sure i already wrote 'lol' here. Did someones remove it? >:| --xoxo 10:05, 10 June 2009 (BST)

• Against - we dont need trolls with sysop power --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{[talk] [wcdz]} 19:51, 9 June 2009 (BST)

  blink-blink.....Nope too easy, backing away slowly. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:20, 10 June 2009 (BST)

• Changed to Abstain - I don't know him very well, but it appears from his comment on Blake Firedancer's promotion attempt above that he isn't that reasonable or justified. --Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 10:28, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  sorry for that ;( --Cyberbob 10:36, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  Serious repsonse: see my above conversation with A Helpful Little Gnome. That sort of behaviour on admin pages would pretty much definitely stop even though it isn't a "requirement" simply because there's a certain amount of unspoken pressure on a sysop to take these things seriously. --Cyberbob 10:39, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  No, I'm not liking the whole attitude you had to the bid above, and the way you insulted anyone who opposed you. My vote stays as against.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 10:49, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  I insulted anyone who opposed me? Where? The only person I can see that I insulted was Thadeous and he (tries) to give as good as he gets so. There were plenty of other people who "opposed" me that I didn't insult. --Cyberbob 10:56, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  Which you did at least 5 times, each time becoming more and more aggressive. That isn't a quality taht should be had by sysops. They should be neutral and calm when dealign with people, however intolerable.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 11:12, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  I won't bother asking your opinion of the sysops we have now then. To be honest I don't know why you care so much seeing as the wiki is obviously already in the grip of such terrible people (according to you). --Cyberbob 11:18, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  A spot of recommended reading. --Cyberbob 11:21, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  (continued on your talk page) --Cyberbob 13:54, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  They should be neutral and calm when dealign with people, however intolerable Bullshit. There is no need to be neutral to the point of inaction. That's the worst problem we have. How about instead of neutral you just be big enough to admit when you mess up? How about taking the interest of the wiki over the desire to be "popular"? That's the kind of sysop this wiki needs.-- #99 ^DCC 14:38, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  That's no excuse for actively seeking out conflict.--Thadeous Oakley 16:17, 10 June 2009 (BST)

  Easy there champ. Don't want to go throwing that particular charge around; you were the one that replied to my vote in the first place. Looking for a cheap n' easy burn, no doubt. --Cyberbob 16:30, 10 June 2009 (BST)

• Against - May have the skills, but is far too immature. I can't trust him. --Haliman - Talk 04:16, 11 June 2009 (BST)

  People just don't put any effort into their promotion bid comments these days. It used to be that people actually took the time to look at the person they were talking about before passing judgement *nostalgia* --Cyberbob 05:32, 11 June 2009 (BST)

  And some people are bitter that their attempts failed and take it out on others. *predictability* --– Nubis ^NWO 12:59, 11 June 2009 (BST)

• Against - He knows how the wiki works, and has been a successful sysop in a past I'm not familiar with. However, he loves to bully way too much. Maybe I'll vouch if he gets over the fact that we don't go along and when he stops seeking me out. There is also a difference between a honest bastard and a honest ass. I have justified my opinion, feel free to take yet another shot at me below Bob.--Thadeous Oakley 16:25, 11 June 2009 (BST)
• Moarplz - It's tiem for change. brbcoffee. _■^■ 01:10, 12 June 2009 (BST)
• Abstain – You know what you doing. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 06:31, 12 June 2009 (BST)

	Gold in the Basket Supporter
	Revenant believes that if Cyberbob does in fact put the gold in the basket that this situation can be resolved.

• Will you accept your gold in hamter form? --Cyberbob 07:15, 12 June 2009 (BST)

• Vouch - As SA and Drawde --D.E.ATalk 09:14, 12 June 2009 (BST)
• Strong Against - Due to his vote on Blake Firedancer's promotion request, in addition to that, I hate people who nominate themselves. Fou-Lu 14:34, 12 June 2009 (BST)
• ON the Fence - Do you promise to become grim v2? Coup and all? I'm bored as fuck here.--/~Rakuen~\^Talk I Still Love Grim 03:52, 13 June 2009 (BST)

  Then run again. You know you want to. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 04:01, 13 June 2009 (BST)

  you've got my vouch, again.--xoxo 05:33, 13 June 2009 (BST)

  Um...no? --Cyberbob 06:15, 13 June 2009 (BST)

  Good one acting all serious bob, ps that edit had exactly 69 characters - coincidence? I think NOT.--xoxo 06:17, 13 June 2009 (BST)

  can't really pay enough attention to editing to think up witty responses right now - I've had exams on thursday and friday and have another two on monday and thursday. --Cyberbob 06:48, 13 June 2009 (BST)

• Against - I think Bob said it best in his opening line. I only have the following to add: Let's browse for a more mature sysop, one who we don't know how they'll do, rather than stick with the one we know and voted down. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 00:14, 17 June 2009 (BST)

  "We"? I don't think you have the right to be saying "we" or "let's" at this point Akule. How long has it been since you were last active in any way shape or form again? --Cyberbob 06:51, 17 June 2009 (BST)

  Nice to see that in your opinion, new players or people who are away from the wiki aren't members of the community. That's the charm that will lose you the bid, Bob. Well, that and the history of trolling and immaturity. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 00:30, 18 June 2009 (BST)

  It is nice to see, isn't it? --Cyberbob 05:39, 18 June 2009 (BST)

  OMG are you a fucking retard? He was being sarcastic! DUH!!!!!--xoxo 06:59, 18 June 2009 (BST)

  ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME --Cyberbob 08:01, 18 June 2009 (BST)

• I'm "HAMMER[IN'] DAT Strongly Against BUTAN". --Pestolence^(talk) 21:40, 19 June 2009 (BST)

  yesssssssss --Cyberbob 03:51, 20 June 2009 (BST)

• VOUCH - Bob is awesome. -- T^HEL^ORDG^UNS^LINGER 00:44, 21 June 2009 (BST)

After discussion with SA, we've decided to promote Bob.

Basically, he's got the experience few of us can claim, he doesn't bend to what others want, and although he may be a bastard sometimes, he's an honest bastard (and if we're judging sysops on basis of civility, then we might as well demote the whole team.) Of course, Bob should keep his trolling separate from any sysop actions he does - but the rest of us manages that fine. Linkthewindow  Talk  01:07, 21 June 2009 (BST)