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This page is for the request of page deletions within the Urban Dead wiki. Due to concerns about loss of data, the ability to delete pages is restricted to system operators. As such, regular users will need to request a deletion from the system operators. For consistency and accountability, system operators also adhere to the guidelines listed here.
==Guidelines for Deletion Requests==
All Deletion Requests '''must''' contain the following information in order to be considered:
* '''A link to the page in question.''' Preferably bolded for visibility. Note that Category and Image links need a colon at the front to turn them into links (ie <code><nowiki>[[:Category:Category]]</nowiki></code> and <code><nowiki>[[:Image:Image.jpg]]</nowiki></code>).
* '''A reason for deletion.''' This should be short and to the point.
* '''A signed datestamp.''' This can be easily done by adding <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> to the end of your request.
In addition to placing a request on this page, please place the '''''<nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>''''' tag on the top of the page that is being recommended for deletion. Please make sure that the original content remains on the page, so that others can judge whether the page is worthy of deletion.
Any deletion request that does not contain these three pieces of information will not be considered, and will be removed by a system operator.
Once the deletion request has been entered, the request shall remain on this page, where it will be voted on for a period of two (2) weeks, as judged by the initial datestamp. At the conclusion of this two weeks, the appropriate action will be taken by a system operator, and at the end of that day the request will be moved into the [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive|Archive]].
Certain types of pages may be better being scheduled for deletion in order to reduce the amount of red tape and stop this page getting too cluttered. To lodge a request for scheduled deletions, head for [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Scheduling]].
Deletion of pages that match a certain criteria may be better serviced by a request for a Speedy Deletion. Speedy Deletions are for removal of pages that are clearly of no value to the wiki, and do not incur the two week voting requirement. Speedy Deletion requests can be lodged at [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy Deletions]].
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==Guidelines for Voting on Deletion Requests==
* One vote per user.
* Voting should take place underneath the request, and each vote should be started with a {{CodeInline|#}} with no empty lines inbetween votes.
* There are four vote types:
** '''Delete'''. For agreement with the deletion request
** '''Merge'''. For indication that the content on the page should be merged with another page (includes an implicit '''Delete''').
** '''Speedy Delete'''. For indication that the page meets one of the [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy Deletions|Speedy Deletions]] Criteria (includes an implicit '''Delete''').
** '''Keep'''. For disagreement with the deletion request.
* The specific vote keyword should be bolded within the lodged vote. Any relevant comments are also allowed, but these should not be bolded.
* At least one '''Delete''' vote must be entered by the deadline in order for a page to be deleted. System operators may not use their own vote after the deadline to delete a page.
* If more '''Delete''' votes are entered than '''Keep''' votes, the page will be deleted. In any other circumstance, the page is kept.
* If 3 '''Speedy Delete'''s are lodged, and there are no '''Keep''' Votes, the page will be deleted as per [[UDWiki:Administration/Speedy Deletions|Speedy Deletions]].
==Deletion Queue==
===[[The 7th Stockman Walk Regiment]]===
Apparently disbanded, not a confirmed or historically important group, no edits since July, all members apparently inactive/not on the Wiki in the first place.
--{{User:AClashInRedSnow/sig}} 02:51, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - We don't delete old groups' wikis, unless they're blank. And there's content in them thar wiki! Thus, it stays. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 02:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' - As Wan. Crit 12 died for a reason (although "group pages" with only a sentence are occasionally deleted.) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 03:36, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
===[[The Crimson Clan/Awards]]===
Again, no content. Again, posted here so the group has time to respond.
--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Quite frankly, if a group/user wants a subpage to sit there doing nothing they can have it. Server space is cheap.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 16:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::<s>''Keep''</s> - You should first use the Talk page to ask for a response re: a questionable -- but nonetheless content-containing -- page. Not just submit it to Deletions. This is wasting everyone's time, when a quick note could have got a response, or a nice simple crit 7 speedydelete... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I did leave a note on the group's talk page [[Talk:The_Crimson_Clan#The_Crimson_Clan.2FAwards|here.]] The only content is a template at the top of the page. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 05:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::::that was a "notice of deletion", not an inquiry about what they wanna do with the page. however, since that template is totally generic, and it's sat there for 6 months or something... speedy it... {{Unsigned|WanYao}}
*:<s>''Speedydelete''</s> - crit 1. ''* (cur) (last) 21:14, July 30, 2008 Jsrbrunty (Talk | contribs | block) (New page: <nowiki>{{Template:CrimsonHeader}})</nowiki> [rollback]''. It's only "content", the header template, is duplicated on every Crimson Clan page, and it doesn't link anywhere except deletions pages and the talk page that LTW asked about it on </s><small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 11:28 18 December 2008 (BST)</small>
*'''Keep''' - but if nothing's been done with it next time I see it, it's going to [[A/SD]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:06 20 December 2008 (BST)</small>
*<s>'''Speedydelete'''</s> - no content. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:*''''Keep''' - content has been added. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 03:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
*Hey, I'm from The Crimson Clan. If its ok, I'd like to keep that page. To be honest, I had forgotten about it completely, but now that I've been reminded, maybe I'll get on and do something with it! Thank you. --[[User:Jsrbrunty|Jsrbrunty]] 22:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:*Since that's effectively a keep, and the group will now use it, this vote is now irrelevant. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''-as long as the author does something with it. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 23:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
===[[:Category:Historical Buildings]]===
This has been sitting unused for over 6 months, created over a year ago (judging by the timestamp at the top)
and the creator's been inactive since February. As it stands, it's little more than an incomplete list of locations with a few crossed out here and there. It's kinda sitting idle and we can do one of three things:
*Delete it as it's unused and probably will remain so. Only link in is from a speedy request in October last year.
*Leave it be to sit about some more waiting on someone adopting it.
*Or move it from an empty category to a regular page and decide it's fate later. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Seems to be little more than an abandoned project. I don't see it fitting into anything on the wiki right now. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - if completed, it would be too close to [[:Category:Historical Events]]. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 02:23, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Meh''' - one of those 'who cares?' pages. Might as well send it packin'.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Abandoned and not too interesting or helpful.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 05:44, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - It has potential use, if the options are making it useful or deleting it we should always choose to make use of the tools we have at our disposal. Open a discussion.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:38, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Interesting concept. Abandonded page. Let's start from scratch if we wanna run with the concept. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 15:02, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
#:Doesn't require deleting the page outright, that's just a method to make sure it falls off everyone's radar.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 15:37, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
#::My problem is ... the very phrase "Historical Buildings" gives the page an official status akin to Historical Events and Groups. Highly misleading. Is there interest in having a category for official Historical Buildings? Well... let's draft a policy for such. But until that happens, i.e. such a policy passes, this really page/category shouldn't exist. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 01:42, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
#:::Change it so it's a listing of buildings where localized historical events have taken place. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
#::::That could be a drama-fest, though, deciding what is and what isn't... IMO an Historical Building category ought to refer to buildings have had an impact in, and garnered a reputation somehow, with lots of people not just in the local burb. It'd be often associated with historical events, like the Blackmore, for example... But buildings which are the sites of infamous, ongoing struggles, which might not be technically historical in themselves, should be historical, too. The Pask NT in Daker, for example... Stuff like that. That gives a chance to recognise groups and events that might not otherwise get anywhere close to historical status, but which are still noteworthy. But if it's just locals deciding, every second building will become historical... And, writing it all up in the building's history can deal with this... But, it's a thought... --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 14:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
#::::This page doesn't seem to have much to do with in-game historical events, but rather "backstory" (made up) [[St._Mark's_Cathedral#History|historical wiki entries]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:16 8 December 2008 (BST)</small>
#'''Move & Speedydelete''' - move the page to the users subpage area (or even the main namespace if others are interested in taking on the project), and delete the category as crit 4, unused category (it's only entry is itself) <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:16 8 December 2008 (BST)</small>
#'''Delete''' - <s>Has potential, but nobody gives a shit</s> Actually its just a useless list of buildings. Delete. --[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 21:49, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
==Recent Actions==
==Recent Actions==
===[[The_Republic_of_Digby|The Republic of Digby]]===
Content cleared by owner, might as well be a speedy --[[User:Bean|Bean]] 15:33, 12 June 2011 (BST)
# '''Speedy''': Page was blanked by the only guy who maintained it, Author Edit Only implied --[[User:Bean|Bean]] 15:33, 12 June 2011 (BST)
#'''Scheduled''' - User has blanked the page and created a new group. Crit 7 by proxy.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="plainlinks">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 16:01, 12 June 2011 (BST)


===[[Suggestion:20081106 Projectiles]]===
'''Deleted''' as a crit 7 by proxy.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|<span title="System Operator">Sys</span>]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="plainlinks">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 17:05, 12 June 2011 (BST)
A suggestion that did not appear on [[:Category:Current Suggestions]] and failed to recieve proper voting. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 16:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 16:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Move''' - Move the content to one of the user's userspace subpages. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 16:29, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Comment''' - It has got two votes, why don't we just cycle it through the system? It's not like it's heading into PR is it? -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 23:22, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - like Iscariot. Looks close enough to dupe, and perhaps also put a {{tl|notice}} at the top of the page explaining that it didn't go through voting because the category tags weren't added <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:35 19 December 2008 (BST)</small>
#:Cycled. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 00:11, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
#::This is '''fucking retarded'''. I could've understood putting it back to voting instead of deleting, but cycling it to undecided when it only has two votes? If this isn't reversed, I fully expect you people to follow this precedent when we find a suggestion with only an author keep. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 11:13, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
#:::Well, the author of the suggestion [[User_talk:Janus_Abernathy#Suggestion|agreed to cycle it]]. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 13:06, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
#::::Frankly, that's entirely irrelevant. The whole point of the suggestions system is to put them through peer review (ie. others voice their opinions on it). You can't just cycle something that got '''only one''' vote in addition to the author's. If you don't want it deleted, subject it to two weeks of voting, or create a new category for suggestions that weren't voted on, but don't put it in Undecided when the community didn't have an opportunity to make an actual decision on it. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 14:22, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
#:::::I find myself agreeing with Mid, but with less swearing. As well as being unfair (to the voters, as well as other suggestors,) it sets a horrid precedent. Lets ether move it to [[:Category:Removed Suggestions|Removed Suggestions]] or put it through voting. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 22:56, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
:RE After I placed my vote this was reoved from voting by the author. as such is should be a '''removed suggestion'''.--{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 14:05, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::I wouldn't say that it was removed as it never really was ''in'' voting. It [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Suggestion:20081106_Projectiles&action=history never had] the [[:Category:Current Suggestions]] tag, nor [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Category:Current_Suggestions&offset=20081114064453&action=history was it linked to] from the current suggestions list. The author just put it on [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Developing_Suggestions&diff=prev&oldid=1312953 Developing Suggestions] after you had voted <tt>:/</tt>. But I guess Removed would still be better than Undecided. --[[User:Midianian|Midianian]]<small><sup>&#124;[[User talk:Midianian|T]]&#124;[[Developing Suggestions|DS]]&#124;[[:Category:Recently Closed Suggestions|C:RCS]]&#124;</sup></small> 14:33, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree. Now on [[A/PT]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:07, 22 December 2008 (UTC) (BST)</small>
 
===[[Bad habit/enshrinement]]===
It's just a line of text, not edited for a few months. Posted here (instead of A/SD) to give the group time to respond.
 
--{{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Make it a subpage of [[Bad Habit]] then let them do with it as they please.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 16:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::Wrong place, so '''Move''' to [[Bad Habit/Enshrinement]] and then '''speedydelete'''. --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 16:56, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Speedydelete''' after page move <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:52 18 December 2008 (BST)</small>
*'''Speedydelete''' -- because it's a typo page. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 04:52, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
Moved.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 10:23, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
===[[BlackstarC]]===
The specified page is not a user page.  
~~[[User:BlackstarC|ThaUser]] 19:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:'''Deleted''' - a scheduled deletion after being moved to [[User:BlackstarC]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:52 18 December 2008 (BST)</small>
 
===[[Liberation Day]] and [[Ironfist]]===
'''[[Liberation_Day]]'''
 
'''[[Ironfist]]'''


Contains nothing but lies and negative propaganda (and it never happened) about my group. The one who created this page has done something like that on various other times and it doesn't belong here.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 14:04, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
===[[Lamportians]]===
#'''Delete.''' --[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 14:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
This page was [[UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Archive/Feb_2008#Lamportians|already]] [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=Lamportians deleted]. The only reason I haven't done this as a crit 6 is because the content doesn't match completely with the current version being more role-play than straight up recruiting(like the previous iteration). This is a term only used by a singular very small group. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:44, 25 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' Have you tried [[Arbitration]] first? A simple conflict resolution over there should be attempted, rather than placing his own pages up for what should, and probably will be, a failed deletion. Page ownership means that they should not really be deleted unless an Arbitration verdict has been reached, or the creator requests it.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 17:33, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Obviously Delete''' - And I really want to do this as a crit 6 but am erring on the side of caution. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:44, 25 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Delete.''' We can confirm this whole "Liberation Day" crap, never happened, and "Ironfist" is just as bad. [[User:Kewabara1|Kewabara1]] 17:31, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''delete''' - had potential but it's just kinda shit. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 06:02, 25 May 2011 (BST)
#:<s>'''Keep''' This is part of our group's new backstory. If you feel otherise we'd be happy to include a section signaling your disagreement with the statements and a link a to a page of your construction.</s> Unsigned struck. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Speedy''' - Content is similar enough, IMHO: Expanding it doesn't mean its's not crit 6. This should be a group page, it's not a "generic term".--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|<span title="System Operator">Sys</span>]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 09:14, 25 May 2011 (BST)
#:::Sorry that was me, [[User:Captain Rickety|Captain Rickety]]
*'''Delete''' - But I don't think it's enough for a speedy. They've expanded on it quite a bit.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 13:42, 25 May 2011 (BST)
#::::Group backstory belongs in groupspace, because it is rarely NPOV. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 10:11, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Merge''' with [[FURIG]] as a group subpage and stick a note on it saying its just crap they made up. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' Since my first vote was struck. Cheese's suggestion is fine by me.[[User:Captain Rickety|Captain Rickety]]
#'''Merge''' - to subpages of groups involved. I CBAed to read this boring tripe, but I can tell it's group propaganda... Lies are permitted, just not in the main namespace. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 00:36, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Merge''' - Propaganda is fun and all, but it should be in FURIG's group subpage. --[[User:Jen|Jen]] 01:23, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Merge''' - with FURIG's group page. Or, just make it NPOV (although it is pretty BS, so yeah...) {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:59, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - We don't want our name used like this. This isn't even propaganda, it's just slander. If someone was to look at this page they would get the wrong idea about our group as it doesn't even say it's all false. Even if these pages are merged with [[FURIG]], I request that the name SNAKEHOUND be changed to another, I believe this is a fair request, as it's only a backstory, right?  -[[User:Ryzak Black|Ryzak Black]] 19:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Claiming that something is a "backstory" when it's supposed to have happened a month ago is rubbish, leading me to believe that nothing on the page actually happened. Bullshit to the bin <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 02:47 3 December 2008 (BST)</small>
#'''Keep''' There have been several events in the past that have been chronicled from a non-NPOV ([[Battle of Blackmore]] anyone?) and there is no reason to delete these pages. Furthermore, no evidence has been shown that says any of this is false. If you're pissed off, take it to arbitration or talk to the author. You can't have a page deleted just because it's just there to spread negative propaganda against your group. --[[User:William Told|William Told]] 04:11, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
#:Ask around and you'll see that nothing like this ever happend. Futhermore, that user has some sort of crush on us, because 90% of his contribs are about us and how "evil" we are.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 21:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' No need for the drama...Information on the wiki is ''supposed'' to be accurate and not propaganda BS (outside of your own groups POV section on their page. [[User:Conndraka|Conndraka]]<sup>[[Moderation|mod]] [[User_talk:Conndraka|T]][[AZM]] [[Coalition for Fair Tactics|''CFT'']]</sup> 13:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - and recreate it in your group's namespace, if you want it that badly. It's just too biased to exist in the main namespace. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 22:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Rediculous. [[User:Met fan|Met fan]] 02:14, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Pollution it is.--[[User:N00bert|<span style="color: Black">N00bert</span>]] <sup>[[FOXHOUND|<span style="color: Orange">foxhound</span>]]</sup> 02:52, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Worse than Harry Potter fanfiction.--[[User:James Madley|James Madley]] 05:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - lol, snakehound.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:41, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


:Final tally: 9 Deletes / 2 Keep / 4 Merge. Both deleted. --{{User:Nubis/sig}} 14:23, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
'''Deleted''' - This be unanimous.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 22:41, 8 June 2011 (BST)


===[[Free United Republic of Independent Spicer Hills]]===
===[[Template:Wikipedia]]===
One line of text and no edits since August.
A template which is literally identical to using the "Wikipedia:" prefix in a link. It saves precisely '''0''' bytes while using a template inclusion and increasing server load.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 14:01, 20 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Merge''' with [[Template:WP]] and then delete. Are all the transclusions truly due to {{tl|unsigned}}? We should be linking to internal help about signatures, not to Wikipedia. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:03, 20 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#:Which I have [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Template:Unsigned&curid=13862&diff=1891188&oldid=1870284 just done]. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:06, 20 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#:Mostly. I've used my bot to subst the template in on all non-protected pages, given that it's completely redundant.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 15:38, 20 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Speedy C1''' - a template that merely uses a single wiki code command is "No content" in my books. --<small>Oh, and vote on [[UDWiki:Projects/Very_Funny...or_Not|Project Funny]], by the way.</small> --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 15:12, 20 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Speedy''' - as Spiderzed.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 20:25, 20 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - You don't get to technicality off such a popular template. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:19, 20 May 2011 (BST)
#:[[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Wikipedia|Popular?]] ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>21:54, 20 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#::The bot changed all of the edits so that's not exactly an accurate revelation of how people use it. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=500&target=Thegeneralbot This] is more realistic. People use this template because not everyone knows about the magic word, don't punish ill-informed users for being ill-informed? --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:44, 21 May 2011 (BST)
#:::Why not redirect the template to an explanation of magic words? The magic word is so similar to the template that anyone who uses the template should be perfectly capbable of using the magic word.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 09:13, 21 May 2011 (BST)
#:::I was under the impression that the bot only subst'd {{tl|Wikipedia}} when found in {{tl|unsigned}} template calls. I may be wrong but still, I don't think the template is as popular as you're implying. And, yes I checked thegeneralbot's contribs. I so far haven't found any edits where {{tl|Wikipedia}} was subst'd other than inside {{tl|unsigned}}. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>16:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#::::That's because the use in unsigned made up the bulk of {{tl|wikipedia}} uses. That said, nope, it didn't just remove the ones in unsigned, which explains why I can't find any of my old uses of it, despite the fact that I've used it frequently in the past. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:04, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#I support a '''merge''' with &#123;&#123;[[Template:WP|WP]]&#125;&#125;, but suggest retaining as a [[wikipedia:WP:SRD|soft redirect]], deleting only when we can get [[WP:]] implemented as an [[wikipedia:H:IW|interwiki]] shortlink. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 05:41, 21 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Delete''' -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 05:43, 21 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - It's not actually the same as just the plain link, since the plain link requires additional code to look the same. Quick example: <code><nowiki>{{wikipedia|example}}</nowiki></code> yields {{WP|example}} while <code><nowiki>[[wikipedia:example]]</nowiki></code> yields [[wikipedia:example]]. Note the different outputs. I prefer the template since it saves some typing, and the code is cleaner. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 09:18, 21 May 2011 (BST)
#:You can use the [[wikipedia:Help:pipe trick|pipe trick]] to get the same appearance; although there is slightly more code, there is far less of a drain on server resources. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 13:12, 21 May 2011 (BST)
#::Pipes would work, sure, but that's why I mentioned less and cleaner code. Also, it doesn't produce "far less of a drain on server resources." When it comes to server load, the danger of templates is that if they are changed, every page they are included on needs to be re-cached. That's not an issue here since unsigned doesn't change. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 07:04, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#:::[{{fullurl:Template:Unsigned}}?action=history It's been changed twice recently]. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:38, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#::::"...frequently". Sorry, forgot to put that at the end of my last comment. ;) Anyway, two edits in three years (both of which had to be requested via A/PT) is nothing to be concerned with. To put things in perspective, in the same time period, your sig has changed 15x more frequently and is on more than 45x as many pages, yet none of us seem to object to it. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 10:38, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::Actually, ''I'' object. {{tongue}} I think we should get rid of templated sigs for precisely those reasons (added DB calls on every page load, plus cache invalidation of every page on which they are transcluded when they change), but while they are permitted by {{WIKILAW}}, I'm going to keep availing myself of the convenience. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 22:40, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::Basically, yeah. This is why there was the request to delete Nosubst. This template is far less harmful though and more intuitive to the partially wiki-literate. It's a tool and you shouldn't take away tools that don't actually harm anything just for the sake of simplicity. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:02, 23 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::Not sure how this template is more intuitive than the normal link; if they can find this template, they can find out how to use the link (which should be described in the help pages, anyway).--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Special:ListUsers/sysop|<span title="System Operator">Sys</span>]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 17:17, 24 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::Wikipedia:wikipedia: for one. The fact that templates are easier to understand to a layman than magic words for two. We assume that most users can pick up and learn templates fairly quickly and magic words/parsers rarely. I'm actually not a fan of the template but I don't see a reason to remove the option just so we don't have to change them manually. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:41, 25 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::Bah. If you ''really'' objected, your actions would speak for you and you wouldn't avail yourself of it at all. :P {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 03:57, 23 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::So the Nosubst deletion nomination counts for naught? {{tongue}}<br/> I have a policy discussion in the works, but I don't know how long it will take me to get to. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 04:33, 23 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::So another policy will get passed by a group of individuals that give shit all about the wiki? Lovely. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>17:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#:::::::::Whether it passes or not doesn't overly concern me. Which reminds me… {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 23:59, 24 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - u dont delete my contributions to the wiki without me having a say about it --[[User:Hagnat|People's Commissar Hagnat]] <sup>[[User_talk:Hagnat|[talk]]] [[wcdz|[wcdz]]]</sup> 20:37, 22 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - I prefer the template--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 20:40, 22 May 2011 (BST)


#'''(Speedy) Delete''' - Under Crit 1 --{{User:Janus Abernathy/Sig}} 18:10, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
5 delete votes and 4 keeps. Merged (via move) with {{tl|WP}}. Kept {{tl|Wikipedia}} as a soft redirect. Fixed remaining links. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:40, 6 June 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''(Speedy) Delete''' - No content. --[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 18:56, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:No reason to have a soft redirect when a standard redirect preserves functionality and doesn't make it harder to reach the new template page(the entire purpose of soft redirects)--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 07:05, 6 June 2011 (BST)
#'''Crit 1''' - Yeah, no content. Let's nuke it. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 21:26, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
#''' Speedy''' - As above. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:08, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
'''Speedied''' - please put these on [[A/SD]] if you think they qualify <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 00:24 13 December 2008 (BST)</small>


===[[:Category:Do Not Edit]]===
... this must be one of the most dumb moves since gen tried to pass an anti-goon policy with the goons active in the wiki. Creating a redirect in [[template:wikipedia]] to ]]template:wp]] just adds more server load to a template whose main reason for deletion was server load. Its just too dumb for me to understand it. The merge votes should've count as a kept in this case, ffs --<small>[[User:Hagnat|hagnat]]</small> 12:31, 6 June 2011 (BST)
Completely pointless category due to page ownership policies that do the same thing. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:You're right, since server load is the issue, we pretty much should have had this deleted lul -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:41, 6 June 2011 (BST)
::Yeah, pretty much. I kept as a soft redirect per Rev's suggestion but Karek reverted back to a typical redirect. If people want to keep it as a redirect or just keep the template rather than delete it then that's fine with me. That was never brought up during voting but whatever. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:::It's a soft redirect now actually. It was just waiting on verification that all usage was gone. Also, not really server intensive in any way. Even the claims of the editing of it were edits done by the people claiming they were a problem. Anyways, now it's set to sit for a month or three until we can be reasonably sure people have gotten the message.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:19, 7 June 2011 (BST)
::::I think we're both misinterpreting what a soft redirect is. They are just a short messages directing someone to an ''external'' site. I don't even think a soft (or even a "hard") redirect is warranted TBQH. It should just be deleted since that is how the voting concluded. If there is sufficient reason to keep it, put in a request at [[A/U]]. Otherwise, it comes off a lot like just a disagreement with the voting results and maneuvering things to turn this into a keep. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:::::I just set it up in a way to make it clear that [[Template:WP|WP]] was the current version and this page is no longer in use as a template. Terminology be damned I guess. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:43, 8 June 2011 (BST)
::::::That's all well and good, but it was ''voted'' for deletion??? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 04:34, 9 June 2011 (BST)
:::::::Yeah no, when 2 of the 5 deletes are merges and the other 4 votes are keeps that reasoning doesn't really fly. Especially when you actually read Revenants vote. That being said it's still ''going to be deleted'', it's just going to be left as a soft redirect for a bit first because the template still exists. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:04, 9 June 2011 (BST)
::::::::My point is that it's funny when so many people vote but in the end it becomes a situational decision by one person pushing for what they want. I voted delete because I use the <nowiki>[[wikipedia]]</nowiki> code personally, but as a whole I'm indifferent. It's worth noting though that Merge got the ''least'' votes out of all the options, even if you aren't inclined to count them as implicit deletes (which you are) -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 09:25, 9 June 2011 (BST)
:::::::::Meh, the only reason it qualifies is that last Merge vote that puts it over and since the vote in question specifically qualifies itself as situational upon the soft redirect it's really just common sense. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 09:34, 9 June 2011 (BST)
::::::::::I wasn't quite aware that we were intending on deleting it eventually and this was transitional? Is that actually the case? Cause if it is, it makes more sense and has made me look like a dil to boot. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 11:21, 9 June 2011 (BST)
:::::::::::We are and it is.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 11:27, 9 June 2011 (BST)
::::::::::::I remember reading that but somewhere along the line I forgot. I'm a bit of a mess -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 03:51, 11 June 2011 (BST)
:::::::::::::S'ok, apparently you're not [[User:Aichon|the only one]] who doesn't have time to read s recent comments make oh so clear. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:29, 11 June 2011 (BST)
What are you guys doing? Let me run through the process for handling a Delete and Merge result, since it's very simple, but has apparently been forgotten:
#Merge the two pages.
#Fix all links to point to the new page, except where they were specifically being used to refer to the old one as opposed to the new one (e.g. discussions like here)
#Fix all transclusions to point to the new page that it's being merged into
#Delete the page
That's all you guys had to do, but for some reason, you got stuck between #2 and #3. Why did no one check for and fix transclusions before replacing the template with text telling people not to use it? And why was that text put in at all, when your job was to follow the vote's results and ''delete'' the page? We don't need text telling people not to use a page that's been deleted, since people don't use pages that ''aren't there''. That's why you delete them. Why has this not been done? {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 21:32, 10 June 2011 (BST)
:I did fix all incoming links and transclusions (although I think I must have missed the one transclusion in this vote). As for deleting it, that's what is currently under discussion. Pages ''have'' been kept as a redirect during a deletion before. I don't know that a redirect of this nature has been used before but I'm open to using them. I just want it made clear what is happening, since at first it seemed to me like maneuvering to turn a delete decision into a keep decision. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>21:45, 10 June 2011 (UTC)</sub>
:1. Not a standard case. 2. If you can't be asked to read any of the intervening discussion that has happened don't bother to comment. You're just wasting everyone's time at this point. Third, since I know you won't bother to read through any of it because of your "right-ness"(a common problem with users of this wiki), [[Template:Wikipedia]] is a long existing template that was implemented 5 years ago. Above and beyond that it's a popular template on [http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia wikipedia] [http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Template:Wikipedia projects]. If you don't want to run the risk of users recreating it you do it [[Templte:Wikipedia|''this'']] way, which is also the only way it actually passes as a delete vote, having changed it essentially just saved the step of creating the soft redirect or redirect(since one is justified, the template [[Template:WP|still exists]]). Also, it's still getting deleted, now shoo. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 17:29, 11 June 2011 (BST)
::{{*}}"Can't be arsed".--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="plainlinks">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 18:32, 11 June 2011 (BST)
::I'll excuse your personal (and hurtful, coming from you) attacks on me as a courtesy. First off, I'm aware of its history and would prefer it stay around (see my vote above). Second, as I'm sure you agree, failing to fix any transclusions was an oversight in need of correction, and leaving them while altering the template is never part of proper procedure, so a mistake was definitely made here. Third, I think that you're not giving Rev enough credit, since he's a smart guy, is well-versed in the rules, and says what he means. If he had wanted it to be taken the way you say, he could have said Keep with his comment, or else he could have said Merge ''on the condition that'' it be done as he described. Instead, he said Merge, which he knows acts as a Delete, and he phrased it as a suggestion, instead of as a comment on which his vote was contingent. Fourth, see Crit 6. That's how you stop people from recreating the page on ''this'' wiki. Anyway, I'm not going to stick around to argue it further, so you'll get what you wanted from me. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 18:57, 11 June 2011 (BST)
:::Not personal, just frustrated. Sometimes even I tire of repeating myself and this would mke probably the fourth time this has been addressed. It's an unusual case and a close vote, it seems reasonable to try and do it in a way that has the least potential to cause issues(in this case phasing it out in steps). As for Crit 6, that's generally connected with vandalism cases historically. A situation that relies on it is less than ideal. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:44, 11 June 2011 (BST)


#'''Crit 1''' - Duplicated by established wiki process. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
=== Dupilcated image ===
#'''Crit 1''' - As Iscarot. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 13:36, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
[http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/File:50x16t.PNG] Un-used duplicate of [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/File:50x16.PNG], [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/File:50x16t.PNG 1] could be deletead?--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 16:03, 17 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Crit 1''' - See above.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 19:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Scheduled''' - but I'll check with Schwan before deleting. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>16:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''Crit 1''' - as above. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 23:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''Speedy''' - Two days short of a scheduled. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 18:50, 17 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Crit 1''' - Bandwagoning FTW! --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 00:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
'''Speedy''' --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 01:49, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


===[[Black_plauge]]===
A. Schwan confirmed [[User_talk:A.schwan#Orphaned_Images|on his talk page]] that the image was unneeded, so I deleted it as crit 7 by proxy. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>21:37, 17 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
Misspelled title and no content, dead for months, no expansion. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


#'''Crit 1''' -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:46, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
===[[Template:Nosubst]]===
#'''Crit 1''' But I'll contact the author. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Horrible hack that exists only to work around sensible software limitations. We should take the opportunity given by the new sig size limits to recognise this, delete this abomination, and have all users made to use proper signatures. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:26, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#:It's pre-purge, with the only edit coming from Nubis. Therefor, the author can't be contacted. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:Just to be clear... this isn't going to break existing sig inclusions, is it. Just people who (attempt to) use it from now on.<br />I have long hated templated sigs, but then I also hate having to scroll through huge swathes of sig code if it's subst'ed into discussions <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 11:37, 2 May 2011 (BST)</small>
#'''Crit 1''' - do you not know where [[A/SD]] is, Iscariot? <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:57 11 December 2008 (BST)</small>
::Correct.<br/> And yeah, me too, but it's a bit “damned if you do, damned if you don't”, and templated sigs cause more problems than they solve, which is why they're prohibited by default by the MediaWiki software unless you deliberately circumvent that with a measure such as this template.{{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:53, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#:I was on here for the categories that needed community consideration, couldn't be arsed to click the link at the top of the page ;) -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:59, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Or change a one-line setting in the software....--{{User:The General/sig}} 12:09, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#Speedy --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 13:01, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Sadly I feel its too late. If it was setup from the beginning, I'd have no problem, but deleting it now is just going to break loads of links. Rev should set up UDWiki 2.0 --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 12:16, 2 May 2011 (BST)
'''Speedied''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:09 11 December 2008 (BST)</small>
:::::It '''was''' set up in the beginning, by Kevan, and then hacked around by users. And it shouldn't change any links that use it properly: the rest can be easily fixed. What it ''will'' do is necessitate users to change their sigs. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:27, 2 May 2011 (BST)
::::::'''No it wasn't'''. The mediawiki software didn't originally force substitution in signatures: It was added in an update and there wasn't originally a setting to turn it off, so we developed a workaround.--{{User:The General/sig}} 12:33, 2 May 2011 (BST)
::::::Whats the fix? --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 12:37, 2 May 2011 (BST)
:::::::Mostly deleting it out of [[User:MrAushvitz|MrAushvitz]]'s [[Template talk:Nosubst|fucking sig]]. {{grr}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:44, 2 May 2011 (BST)
::::::::Ah, thats why its used on so many of the old suggestion pages. Get on that, use your crazy robot. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 12:49, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill''' with fire. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 11:26, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Templated sigs are allowed by wiki policy; If you don't like it then change the policy rather than  trying to delete the template that allows them.--{{User:The General/sig}} 11:44, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#:Mind to show me where a policy directly grants the use of templated sigs as a right? Can't find it in [[UDWiki:Administration/Policy Discussion/Signature Policy|the sig policy]], nor do I see any other applicable policy. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 11:57, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#::The section that says: What would be allowed - Anything that isn't? --[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 12:01, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill''' this is terrible, I assume, so down with it or something. --'''<span style="font-size:95%">[[User:Katthew|<span style="color: #229922">カシュー</span>]]</span>''', <span style="font-size:80%">[[User:Katthew/Zombie Improvements|<span style="color: #229922">ザ ゾンビ クィーン</span>]]</span> <span style="font-size:50%; color: #229922">'''('''[[The Dead 2.0|<span style="color: #229922">ビープ ビープ</span>]]''')'''</span> [[Image:Katthewsigtag.gif]] <span style="font-size:115%; color: #229922">'''@'''</span> 12:17, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - This template is linked to [[Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Nosubst|lots of stuff]].  Who is going to fix all of the broken links if this gets deleted?--{{User:Giles Sednik/sig}} 12:24, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#:'''Me''', if nobody else does, and '''before''' it gets deleted. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 12:34, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''keep''' as above--&nbsp;[[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|link=User:Sexualharrison|18px]] &nbsp; <small> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;</small><small>12:31, 2 May 2011 (utc)</small>
#'''Keep''' - just because I think General has a better option of dealing with this- it would also allow more comfortable transition period for those of us who do used the damned templated sigs. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:47, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' --[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 12:59, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' -- [[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span> 13:08, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill''' -- Honestly ok with this. Can we get rid of the signature policy next? Maybe replace it with something that simply says your sig can't impersonate other users, break pages, and needs to show who you are and leave it at that? --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:41, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Kill''' Having looked at it,  seems fair, as long as rev wipes out the linked list. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 13:52, 2 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' --{{User:Imthatguy/sig}} ''' 14:31, 2 May  2011 '''
#'''Keep''' It works fine. Has for years. Old folks coming back to the wiki will have to deal with some shit the first time they try to sign. Would be pretty off-putting I think. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] [[File:Etat.gif|link=http://on.cnn.com/lIVw45|Amurica. Fuck. Yeah]] <sub>22:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''Delete''' <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 07:42, 3 May 2011 (BST)</small>
#'''Delete''' -obsolete --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 15:41, 3 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - The only way I'll be okay with a delete if there is a code length limit on signatures. So steal from WP, basically. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 23:56, 10 May 2011 (BST)
#:With the software update, signatures are now limited by the software to 255 characters. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:41, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::The Goon's signature (and probably others) still manage to be ridiculously big. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:33, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::They're subst'd in. If they were using {{tl|nosubst}} and signing using e.g. {{tl|Goonsig|<nowiki>SUBST:</nowiki>Nosubst{{!}}Goonsig{{!}}Revenant}}, they'd be breaking the template transclusion limit on every page they posted on in short order. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 04:40, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::That's not what I'm talking about; I'm talking about how long the code for their signatures are. It's very long. If templated signatures want to be deleted, it's better suited for policy discussion, provided a reasonable alternative is included (so no long signature codes, it makes me angry). --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 04:44, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::I'm not sure you're understanding me, so I'll give you a demonstration… the invocation {{tl|Goonsig|Goonsig{{!}}Revenant}} gives {{Goonsig|Revenant}}, which is the same as what specifying {{tl|Goonsig|<nowiki>SUBST:</nowiki>Nosubst{{!}}Goonsig{{!}}Revenant}} '''as your signature''' results in. In contrast, using {{tl|Goonsig|<nowiki>SUBST:</nowiki>Goonsig{{!}}Revenant}} '''as your signature''' results in… <span style="font-size:xx-small; letter-spacing: -2px; text-shadow: #cc4444 1px 1px 10px">[[File:555Manbabies.gif|You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|link=User:Revenant]][[User:ShaqFu|<span style="color:#FF0018">&#124;</span>]][[User:Katthew|<span style="color:#33DD33">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#FF0048">&#124;</span>]][[User:SprCobra|<span style="color:#FF0060">&#124;</span>]][[User:Laughing Man|<span style="color:#FF0078">&#124;</span>]][[User:Revenant|<span style="color:#FF0090">&#124;</span>]][[User:underisk|<span style="color:#FF00A8">&#124;</span>]][[User:I WARNED YOU ABOUT TEMPLATES BRO|<span style="color:#FF00C0">&#124;</span>]][[User:DeRathi|<span style="color:#FF00D8">&#124;</span>]][[User:DerpDerp|<span style="color:#FF00F0">&#124;</span>]][[User:Abd al-Rahim ibn al-Husain al-'Iraqi|<span style="color:#FF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Sykic|<span style="color:#E700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Vaporware|<span style="color:#CF00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Nubis |<span style="color:#9F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Riseabove|<span style="color:#8700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Teehee McGee |<span style="color:#6F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Anothergenericzombie|<span style="color:#5700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Ryu|<span style="color:#0048ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Mortimer Wiley|<span style="color:#0044DD">&#124;</span>]][[User:Deadone|<span style="color:#3F00ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:woland37|<span style="color:#2700ff">&#124;</span>]][[User:Colbear|<span style="color:#0000dd">&#124;</span>]][[User:Oh no!|<span style="color:#27ff00">&#124;</span>]][[User:Bender Bending Rodriguez|<span style="color:#0F00ff">&#124;</span>]]</span>
#::::::I think what AHLG is saying is that without {{tl|nosubst}}, ''all'' code heavy signatures will add heavy amounts of code to pages when signing. The inclusion sizes don't matter to too many people as long as they don't have to wade through umpteen lines of code when they want to contribute to dicussion. My biggest issue with this deletion request is that it is being passed off as sensible software limitations. I don't believe sensible is the right word. ''Minimal'' or ''default'' software limits is more descriptive. Its like saying that the [[:category:If Templates|"if" templates]] are a crappy hack job because the software has sensible limits on parser functions. The wiki software sucks. It's vanilla. So what if there exists a hack to make it suck less? It's rare that anything is broken because of templated sigs. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#:::::::It's really not as rare as it would be without Nosubst. Not to mention that with Nosubst gone it would mean that actually useful templates won't be excluded from pages like A/VB and A/M. It actually opens up possibilities for us that we currently have to code around.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:50, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::When I say rare I mean extremely rare. The only instance of page breakage in recent history was A/VB and it was due mostly to the whole of A/VB/Bots being transcluded. And then it only became a problem when we came under heavy bot attacks. That problem was easily solved by no longer transcluding A/VB/Bots, which was largely unecessary to begin with. It could also be argued that it was the size of the regular non-sig templates causing it to break. If any other possibilities will arise by deleting {{tl|nosubst}}, I fail to see what they may be. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#:::::::::It actually really can't because the sig templates were actually being called ''multiple'' times in the inclusion chain. While it's easy enough to noinclude them and thus limit the amount of data being called through them superficially, that also compromises the purpose of signing needlessly. We shouldn't have to adapt how pages work because some users want to use a feature actually disabled by the software itself. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 22:04, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::::Yes, the sigs were called multiple time but so were the non-sig templates due to the fact that the whole of A/VB/B being transcluded. In the case of the templated sigs, it was a template call ({{tl|nosubst}}), inside a template call (the template sig which themselves sometimes called on other templates) inside a template call (the transcluded A/VB/B). Similarly, with the non-sig templates, there were template calls ({{tl|usr}}), inside a template call ({{tl|vndl}}) inside a template call (the transcluded A/VB/B). The points I'm trying to make are that a) we've taken steps to correct page breaking on A/VB and b) it really wasn't necessary to transclude A/VB/B in the first place. Whatever value that A/VB/B added to A/VB was superficial and it is actually a lot simpler to just include links to it from [[MediaWiki:recentchangestext]] and [[MediaWiki:blockipsuccesstext]] and be done with it. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>14:40, 12 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#::::::Vapor: Not at all. There is a wiki software setting to enable unsubstituted template signatures. Kevan has it set to the default, which is to disable them. When I described this as a “hack workaround”, that was the literal truth. {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 07:19, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::That's not entirely accurate. Kevan hasn't set it to anything: When the wiki was first set up the setting wasn't available and templated signatures were allowed; a software update disallowed them and the setting to change that was only introduced later. We are forced to use this sort of hack due to the difficulty in getting Kevan to change the software.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 09:09, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::Yeah, I'm not disputing that it is a hack, I just don't agree that it is a worthless hack. I really don't believe Kevan made a conscious decision to turn off unsubstituted signatures way back when. Just like I don't think he intentionally set the max characters for raw signatures to 255. He likely just ran the update without any customization. I think we can reasonably leave {{tl|nosubst}} in place and any sigs that happen to break pages can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, as it has been done in the past. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>15:54, 11 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#:::::What I am saying is that when I hit edit there is a heck of a lot of code to wade through. [http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=UDWiki:Administration/Bureaucrat_Promotions&action=edit&section=8 Here is a sample from A/BP]. Removing templated signatures encourages code use, which wouldn't be so bad if some of the signatures (irrespective of the manner in which they are placed) are really code heavy. But besides any of that, what we are really talking about is the issue that templated signatures breaking similar templates and other templates on pages. A/VB is a good example, as are talk pages. A simple solution may be to not use templated signatures on just these pages if such a problem arises, and it rarely does, do as what Vapor said just above. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 16:32, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::It's been a while since I checked but I'm pretty sure that template signatures trigger a few different DB searches every time they're included on a page. All changing this does is force the search to happen once when the user signs instead of every single time someone edits the page for every single time the template appears on it. On top of that signatures larger than 255 characters have to call a template in their code so that can actually be sorta policed easily enough. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 22:04, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::So, it is to say that after I sign at the end of this comment, the code is merely substed in instead of as a template? Meaning that the code length isn't an issue for whatever is added in the corresponding preferences section. It's still an issue though to how long the code is at the end result. The issue for me hasn't to do with me wanting to keep this more complex templated signature, I'm fine changing this I just find the heavy code sigs cumbersome when I go to edit. --{{User:A Helpful Little Gnome/Sig}} 22:40, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::I'm saying that without {{tl|GoonSig}} the goon's sigs wouldn't be possible because it's a template call made in Preferences that's substituting the template. We can police that because the template has to exist for them to call, like your sig. I'm also saying that your sig makes the server do a lot more work then, say, mine. Something on the order of 3-5 times the work with one inclusion of your sig. More every time a user uses a template signature. Mine adds to this page's DB content and gets called as part of the Page's call then run through the wiki-markup and sent to the browser so it can act on the html, yours adds to the actual processing of the page ''before'' we see it because it has to be interpreted by the wiki markup and then search the DB for the page you're referencing in the signature which then also has to be run through the wiki markup each and every single time someone loads the page for each and every time someone signs on it with a template signature. In the best case scenario it's done once per signature per page and referenced from that, at worse it's done once for every time you sign. Hopefully that answers some of the question because I'm kinda confused about what you were trying to say.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 23:07, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::It should be noted, however, that to say it is "3-5 times the load" is somewhat misleading because the queries take somewhere in the range of 0.003 seconds.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 23:36, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::::I'm talking about actual stress on the server. Also should mention that that's actually not necessarily the case, especially on larger pages about these parts and larger signatures for that matter. The number of queries can have an impact in speed, and a notable one at that. Here's an example [[Suggestions/RejectedDecember2005]] vs [[User talk:Karek]]. The first has no expanding templates due to [[Special:LongPages|file size]], the second takes longer to load. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 05:36, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::::I might be missing your point, Karek, but those don't seem to be good examples of pages breaking/server strain due to templated sig calls. Both have giant walls of text which cause them to be so large. When that happens, templates stop working properly. I can't find even a single attempt to call on a templated sig in your first example nor is there any extraneous template usage (just {{tl|prejection}} it seems). In your second example, nothing seems broken despite lots of templated sigs and it didn't seem to load any longer than any other page; not for my anyway. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#::::::::::::It was a comparison of text size vs number of calls and their effect on speed. Largely irrelevant now that I've archived my talk but [[User_talk:Karek/20110513132417|here]] is that archive. Should have the same visible effect. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:43, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::::I am a also talking about server load, hence my comment that a database query takes very little time. Yes, more queries do have an impact on server load but it is not generally a major problem: In fact, a few large queries are a lot heavier on the server than lots of small ones. So, yeah, lots of massive template inclusions will hurt the server but so will lots of massive walls of text on a single page and most signature templates aren't that largem.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 08:45, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::::::Unless we want to ask [[Kevan]] for some performance stats to settle this, can we stop waving our wiki-peens? {{tongue}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 08:54, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::::::I would prefer to call it a "reasoned debate" {{Tongue}}.--<span>[[User:The General|The General]] <sup>[[User Talk:The General|T]] [[Project_UnWelcome|<span title="Project UnWelcome">U!</span>]] [[Project Wiki Patrol|<span title="Project Wiki Patrol">P!</span>]] <span class="stealthexternallink">[http://urbandeadwiki.smfforfree.com/index.php <span title="Urban Dead Wiki Forum">F!</span>]</span></sup></span> 14:36, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#::::::::::::::^This. Although we could probably move it to the talk page or {{tl|Nosubst}} talk page or something. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 14:43, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#:::::::::::::::Seconded, although keep the current discussion points here so for perspective voters. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>14:51, 13 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''Keep''' - after some serious pondering. I'd vote delete in a heartbeat if it had been that way all the time, but pulling it away now will cause a lot of issues for rarely active users. Adding substings to sigs occassionally, while not fun, is the lesser evil. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 17:02, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - I'm with Vapor and Gnome on this one.--{{User:AnimeSucks/Sig}} 23:42, 13 May 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - What problem is this fixing? Transclusion limits on high-traffic pages? If so, just ban templated sigs on the pages in question. Otherwise, I'm with AHLG. I do NOT want to read "lol" followed by 14 lines of code before I can see the next comment, which is what this would cause to happen far too often. {{User:Aichon/Signature}} 08:49, 15 May 2011 (BST)


===[[:Category:The_Wanker's_Alternate_Accounts]]===
'''Kept'''. 12 Keep votes and 6 Delete votes. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>05:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
Scheduled deletion that should be done under new criteria:


''"Swearing in page titles - Pages that have swearing in the title that is directed at a user or group (or their actions). Approved 22 July 2008"''


Page title clearly swearing and directed against a user. -- {{User:Iscariot/Signature}} 12:35, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
===[[Federal_Stafford_Loan_Program|Federal Stafford Loan Program]]===
'''Speedy''' -Scheduled deletion. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 12:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I guess this is how pages are deleted? It was some sort of weird spam. -[[User:Susan Bakersfield|Susan Bakersfield]] 03:22, 14 May 2011 (BST)
:'''Deleted''' - and contents moved to [[:Category:Banned Vandals]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:00 11 December 2008 (BST)</small>
:Got this one when clearing out the [[A/VB/B|bots]]. It's best to report them there (although it gets done here anyway). Thanks <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 07:55, 14 May 2011 (BST)</small>
===[[The Clegg Family]]===
No real content, an unfinished page by a user who hasn't contributed in two years.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 12:15, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:It's to do with [[:Category:Families of Malton]]... which, along with the [[Lexicon]] project, I don't really understand <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 13:00 23 November 2008 (BST)</small>
*'''Delete''', not speedy in case the guy miraculously shows up and wants it. --{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 12:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''', but I'll post on [[:Category talk:Families_of_Malton|Families of Malton talk page]] telling them about this, and just in case they want it expanded. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 20:29, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
*:Although it doesn't look like that page is active. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 20:32, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - no content; abandoned. --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:45, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - As above. Would be speedy crit 1, but the Malton Families thingy might want it expanded. (what is the Malton Families, anyway?) --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 02:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
*:Just a fictional history project, similar to [[ALiM]] but less awesome. Excluding a few cases, it seems to have never really taken off.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 02:36, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Some of the Families pages have value.  Not this one. -- {{User:Atticus Rex/Sig}} 06:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' -no value in that content--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - Kill with fire. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 21:13, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' - No content, use the Death Star.--[[User:ScouterTX|ScouterTX]] 02:24, 4 December 2008 (UTC)


Deleted.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
===[[Smart Revive Policy]]===
===[[ZEMA Profile]]===
The Smart Revive Policy was created in error and is effectively the [[No Random Revive Policy]]. It appears that [[User:Obsdark|Obsdark]] didn't read the [[No Random Revive Policy]], and just looked at the old title of the page. There is only a few pages that link to the [[Smart Revive Policy]] and those could be redirected to the [[No Random Revive Policy]]. I also updated the [[No Random Revive Policy]] to merge in any of the needed information from [[Smart Revive Policy]]. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 02:07, 27 April 2011 (BST)
Dupe of [[Zombie Emergency Management Agency/Profile]] except for the template which I'll add to the other one.. =p -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 16:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - this is a filibuster vote {{User:Nubis/sig}} 02:14, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Delete''' - Duplicated content. --[[User:Toejam|Toejam]] 18:46, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Speedy''' crit 1 though voting speedy seems kind of pointless due to the above "vote". ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>03:09, 27 April 2011</sub>
#'''Delete''' - What Toejam said. --{{User:Pestolence/Sig}} 19:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - Technically crit 1, but seeing how Nubis is reading from the dictionary, it'll have to wait it out. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 13:50, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - It is created for Advertizement Purposes and Profiles for Users on the Game because the homepage website name is too big. Enough said. --[[User:Soldier|Soldier]] 21:58, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' Unneeded and inferior copy of an established tactic. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"></span>]]</span>''' 14:24, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#:[http://www.tinyurl.com www.tinyurl.com].--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 02:30, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Speedy''' - Criteria 1.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 14:41, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Delete''' - Duplicated elsewhere. -- {{User:Krazy_Monkey/sig}} 22:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''delete'' this is a busterfily vote -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 17:07, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Delete''' - As above. --{{User:Haliman111/sig}} 23:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''keep''' As a [[Help:Redirection|Redirect]]. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 21:25, 27 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep and redirect'''<s>Speedydelete - crit 1, duplicated elsewhere to no purpose</s> <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 23:27 22 November 2008 (BST)</small>
#'''Keep''' - redirect <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 07:44, 3 May 2011 (BST)</small>
#:Redirect it then, if he can't work out the tinyurl thang <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:36 23 November 2008 (BST)</small>
#'''Keep''' as the boxman --&nbsp;[[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|link=User:Sexualharrison| HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS! | 16px]] &nbsp; <small> [[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp;&nbsp;</small><small>06:31, 11 May 2011 (utc)</small>
#'''(Speedy) Delete and Redirect''' - dupe {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 01:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Keep''' - Redirect it--{{User:Michaleson/sig}} 22:19, 11 May 2011 (BST)
#:Apparently, they want [[Zombie Emergency Management Agency/Profile|this page]] deleted as well (the dupe.) What's going on? {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 07:33, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
#::Some craziness over a group page in ns:0. Some of it can be seen on Boxy and Cheese's pages.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 08:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
#::The only one who wants that one deleted is [[User:Soldier|Soldier]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 08:37 23 November 2008 (BST)</small>
#:::This microdrama is making me very confused :(. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 09:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - nah.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 05:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - As Toejam.--[[User:drawde|<span style=";color:Black">'''Drawde'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:drawde| <span style=";color: Blue">'''Talk To Me!'''</span>]] [[DORIS| <span style=";color: Black">'''DORIS'''</span>]] [[Red Rum|<span style=";color: Red">Яed Яum</span>]] [[Ridleybank Resistance Front|<span style=";color: Green">Defend Ridleybonk!</span>]] [[The Know Nothings|<span style=";color: Brown">I know Nothing!</span>]]</sup> 12:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''delete''' --[[User:WanYao|WanYao]] 22:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Keep and Redirect''' - It's not like anyone else is gonna want this pagename. -- {{User:Atticus Rex/Sig}} 06:28, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' -  and Redirect only if really necessary.--<small><span style="border: 2px solid #DDD">[[User:Vista|'''<span style="background-color: Ivory; color:Black">&nbsp;Vista&nbsp;</span>''']][[User_talk:Vista|<span style="background-color: #DDD; color: Ivory ">&nbsp;T&nbsp;</span>]]</span></small> 00:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
#'''Delete''' - A redirect isn't really necessary.  --{{User:Zombie slay3r/Signature}} 02:42, 28 November 2008 (UTC)


Deleted.--{{User:J3D/ciggy}} 00:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
5 to 5. '''Kept''' as a redirect. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
===[[Galbraith Hills Police Department]]===
===[[The living]]===
As Below --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Not really much in the way of content here. I'd like to have the page deleted so that I can use the name (with a capitol L). {{User:Clint_Clintstone/sig}} 10:35 21 April 2011 (EST)
Deleted--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 12:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
===[[Huntley Heights Police Department]]===
As below  --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:27, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Deleted--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 12:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
===[[Chudleyton Police Departments]]===


Information now split onto individual PD's, redirects redirected, but still linked to a few archives. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 11:44, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
#'''delete''' - never got off the ground etc. -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 03:46, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - This is both history, a group that existed(and we don't delete disbanded groups just 'cause), and also a page stuffed full of content when [[The Dead|context]] is shown. We killed crit 12 for a reason. --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 03:52, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep'''. Its well linked. --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 11:04, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#:My arse. it has like 8 and you made half of them years ago and only because they mentioned the dead? -- {{User:DanceDanceRevolution/sig4}} 12:07, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#::Sorry, its referred to as part of the did you know section of the wiki, I don't know why Clint doesn't just use [[The Living]] --[[User:Rosslessness|Rosslessness]] 12:28, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep'''. As Ross. You don't have to get rid of that page to create [[The Living]]. And we could also add a disambiguation notice on top of the page to refer to the older/newer group respectively. --'''<span style="font-family:monospace; background-color:#222222">[[User:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime"> Spiderzed</span>]][[User talk:Spiderzed|<span style="color:Lime">█ </span>]]</span>''' 12:47, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#:This^. Especially since they're both unique pages and the stats page links by caps(like the whole wiki). --<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev#Buildings_Update_Danger_Maps|maps 2.0?!]]</font></sup></small> 13:42, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - As Above.{{User:Zombie Lord/sig2}} <tt>13:46 22 April 2011(UTC)</tt>
#'''Delete''' Just another of those "exists only on paper" kind of groups with no real content, the kind of which we deleted hundreds of. -- [[Image:Cat Pic.png|14px]] [[User:MisterGame|<span style= "color: maroon; background-color: white">'''Thadeous Oakley''']]</span> [[User_Talk:MisterGame|<span style= "color: black; background-color: white">'''''Talk''''']]</span>  13:59, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Delete''' - this page doesn't stop you using the capital L space... and anyway, afaik, this one is just a reactionary page to [[The Dead]]... puppy tears, and all that, y'know {{tongue}} <small>-- [[User:Boxy|boxy]] 15:08, 22 April 2011 (BST)</small>
#:He'll find it difficult to do as that [[The Living]] is now in use. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 21:38, 25 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' -- [[User:Asheets|Asheets]] 16:15, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' SHUT THE FUCK UP!. i loled.--<small><div style="display: inline-block; height: 14px; width: 18px; overflow: hidden; vertical-align: text-bottom;">[[User:Sexualharrison|<span style="position: absolute; display: block; font-size: 0px; height: 14px; width: 18px;"> </span>]][[Image:Boobs.sh.siggie.gif|18px]]</div>&nbsp;&nbsp;[[User talk:Sexualharrison|<span style="color:Red">bitch</span>]]&nbsp;</small><small>16:19, 22 April 2011</small>
#'''Delete''' - get out. --[[User:Karloth_vois|Karloth Vois]] <sup>[[¯\(°_o)/¯]]</sup> 17:50, 22 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - this is a filibuster vote {{User:Nubis/sig}} 23:57, 23 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - Sure, why not - [[User:DeRathi|Serious Post]] {{User:DeRathi/Sig}} 15:27, 24 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - We're already deleting the living from the game, why not have a reminder they once existed here? --[[User:Laughing Man|Laughing Man]] 15:44, 24 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Weak Keep''' - As Karek and Ross, but weaker. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 16:18, 24 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - As Karek and Ross. --{{User:Akule/sig}} 21:38, 25 April 2011 (BST)
#'''Keep''' - As Spiderzed.--[[User:Yonnua Koponen|<span style="color: DarkOrange">Yonnua Koponen</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Yonnua Koponen| <span style="color:Gold">T</span>]][[DvB| <span style="color: Goldenrod">G</span>]]</sup><sup><span class="stealthexternallink">[http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=840689 <span style="color: DarkGoldenrod"> P</span>] </span></sup> [[User:Yonnua Koponen/Sandbox|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[Discosaurs|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]][[{{TALKPAGENAME}}#Donkey|<span style="color: Red">^</span>]] 17:40, 26 April 2011 (BST)


'''Disambig''' - between the two PD's. {{User:Linkthewindow/Sig}} 11:48, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
Kept with 12 Keeps and 4 Deletes. ~[[Image:Vsig.png|link=User:Vapor]] <sub>06:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)</sub>
#'''Speedydelete''' - crit 1, information duplicated at the individual location pages. Leave the links to dux's archives. He did waste his time, following the old [[LSG]], but kudos to him for that <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:20 7 December 2008 (BST)</small>
===[[Bookmarks]]===
Deleted, there was already a vote held on the fate of these pages, consider them scheduled but not gotten to.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 12:36, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
I wanted to make a page under my username, but instead made this. I already remade the page under my user-name, [[User:ShadowScope/Bookmarks|here]], so I would like for you to delete this page (somebody else may want to use Bookmarks in the future, and I don't want to waste space).--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]]<sup>[[User:Kevan|'the true enemy']]</sup> 02:33, 1 May 2011 (BST)
::Right. --{{User:Rosslessness/Sig}} 12:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:EDIT: Also requesting a Speedy Delete, if that is all possible.--[[User:ShadowScope|ShadowScope]]<sup>[[User:Kevan|'the true enemy']]</sup> 02:34, 1 May 2011 (BST)
:::No, they're not scheduled deletions, despite it being agreed on talk[[LSG]] that they should be deleted once fixed up. Put them up on [[A/SD]] <small>-- [[User:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">boxy</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Boxy|<span style="color: Red">talk</span>]] • [[The Rules|teh rulz]]</sup> 12:47 7 December 2008 (BST)</small>
::'''Scheduled''' – Speedy, Crit 7 by proxy. All gone. {{smile}} {{User:Revenant/Sig}} 03:56, 1 May 2011 (BST)
::::I assumed that was a given, the same is expected ''no matter what is being deleted''. My point was simply we don't need tons of reports for when these are dealt with, there may be a few thousand of them after all.--<small>[[User:Karek#K|Karek]]<sup><font face="Monotype Corsiva">[[User:Karek/ProjDev/OmegaMap|maps?!]]</font></sup></small> 12:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


==Archive==
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The Republic of Digby

Content cleared by owner, might as well be a speedy --Bean 15:33, 12 June 2011 (BST)

  1. Speedy: Page was blanked by the only guy who maintained it, Author Edit Only implied --Bean 15:33, 12 June 2011 (BST)
  2. Scheduled - User has blanked the page and created a new group. Crit 7 by proxy.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 16:01, 12 June 2011 (BST)

Deleted as a crit 7 by proxy.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 17:05, 12 June 2011 (BST)

Lamportians

This page was already deleted. The only reason I haven't done this as a crit 6 is because the content doesn't match completely with the current version being more role-play than straight up recruiting(like the previous iteration). This is a term only used by a singular very small group. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:44, 25 May 2011 (BST)

  • Obviously Delete - And I really want to do this as a crit 6 but am erring on the side of caution. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:44, 25 May 2011 (BST)
  • delete - had potential but it's just kinda shit. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 06:02, 25 May 2011 (BST)
  • Speedy - Content is similar enough, IMHO: Expanding it doesn't mean its's not crit 6. This should be a group page, it's not a "generic term".--The General T Sys U! P! F! 09:14, 25 May 2011 (BST)
  • Delete - But I don't think it's enough for a speedy. They've expanded on it quite a bit.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 13:42, 25 May 2011 (BST)

Deleted - This be unanimous.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 22:41, 8 June 2011 (BST)

Template:Wikipedia

A template which is literally identical to using the "Wikipedia:" prefix in a link. It saves precisely 0 bytes while using a template inclusion and increasing server load.--The General T U! P! F! 14:01, 20 May 2011 (BST)

  1. Merge with Template:WP and then delete. Are all the transclusions truly due to {{unsigned}}? We should be linking to internal help about signatures, not to Wikipedia. ~Vsig.png 15:03, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
    Which I have just done. ~Vsig.png 15:06, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
    Mostly. I've used my bot to subst the template in on all non-protected pages, given that it's completely redundant.--The General T U! P! F! 15:38, 20 May 2011 (BST)
  2. Speedy C1 - a template that merely uses a single wiki code command is "No content" in my books. --Oh, and vote on Project Funny, by the way. -- Spiderzed 15:12, 20 May 2011 (BST)
  3. Speedy - as Spiderzed.--The General T U! P! F! 20:25, 20 May 2011 (BST)
  4. Keep - You don't get to technicality off such a popular template. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 21:19, 20 May 2011 (BST)
    Popular? ~Vsig.png 21:54, 20 May 2011 (UTC)
    The bot changed all of the edits so that's not exactly an accurate revelation of how people use it. This is more realistic. People use this template because not everyone knows about the magic word, don't punish ill-informed users for being ill-informed? --Karekmaps 2.0?! 03:44, 21 May 2011 (BST)
    Why not redirect the template to an explanation of magic words? The magic word is so similar to the template that anyone who uses the template should be perfectly capbable of using the magic word.--The General T U! P! F! 09:13, 21 May 2011 (BST)
    I was under the impression that the bot only subst'd {{Wikipedia}} when found in {{unsigned}} template calls. I may be wrong but still, I don't think the template is as popular as you're implying. And, yes I checked thegeneralbot's contribs. I so far haven't found any edits where {{Wikipedia}} was subst'd other than inside {{unsigned}}. ~Vsig.png 16:02, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
    That's because the use in unsigned made up the bulk of {{wikipedia}} uses. That said, nope, it didn't just remove the ones in unsigned, which explains why I can't find any of my old uses of it, despite the fact that I've used it frequently in the past. Aichon 07:04, 22 May 2011 (BST)
  5. I support a merge with {{WP}}, but suggest retaining as a soft redirect, deleting only when we can get WP: implemented as an interwiki shortlink. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 05:41, 21 May 2011 (BST)
  6. Delete -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 05:43, 21 May 2011 (BST)
  7. Keep - It's not actually the same as just the plain link, since the plain link requires additional code to look the same. Quick example: {{wikipedia|example}} yields example while [[wikipedia:example]] yields wikipedia:example. Note the different outputs. I prefer the template since it saves some typing, and the code is cleaner. Aichon 09:18, 21 May 2011 (BST)
    You can use the pipe trick to get the same appearance; although there is slightly more code, there is far less of a drain on server resources. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 13:12, 21 May 2011 (BST)
    Pipes would work, sure, but that's why I mentioned less and cleaner code. Also, it doesn't produce "far less of a drain on server resources." When it comes to server load, the danger of templates is that if they are changed, every page they are included on needs to be re-cached. That's not an issue here since unsigned doesn't change. Aichon 07:04, 22 May 2011 (BST)
    It's been changed twice recently. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 07:38, 22 May 2011 (BST)
    "...frequently". Sorry, forgot to put that at the end of my last comment. ;) Anyway, two edits in three years (both of which had to be requested via A/PT) is nothing to be concerned with. To put things in perspective, in the same time period, your sig has changed 15x more frequently and is on more than 45x as many pages, yet none of us seem to object to it. :P Aichon 10:38, 22 May 2011 (BST)
    Actually, I object. Tongue :P I think we should get rid of templated sigs for precisely those reasons (added DB calls on every page load, plus cache invalidation of every page on which they are transcluded when they change), but while they are permitted by WIKI LAW, I'm going to keep availing myself of the convenience. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 22:40, 22 May 2011 (BST)
    Basically, yeah. This is why there was the request to delete Nosubst. This template is far less harmful though and more intuitive to the partially wiki-literate. It's a tool and you shouldn't take away tools that don't actually harm anything just for the sake of simplicity. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 03:02, 23 May 2011 (BST)
    Not sure how this template is more intuitive than the normal link; if they can find this template, they can find out how to use the link (which should be described in the help pages, anyway).--The General T Sys U! P! F! 17:17, 24 May 2011 (BST)
    Wikipedia:wikipedia: for one. The fact that templates are easier to understand to a layman than magic words for two. We assume that most users can pick up and learn templates fairly quickly and magic words/parsers rarely. I'm actually not a fan of the template but I don't see a reason to remove the option just so we don't have to change them manually. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 03:41, 25 May 2011 (BST)
    Bah. If you really objected, your actions would speak for you and you wouldn't avail yourself of it at all. :P Aichon 03:57, 23 May 2011 (BST)
    So the Nosubst deletion nomination counts for naught? Tongue :P
    I have a policy discussion in the works, but I don't know how long it will take me to get to. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 04:33, 23 May 2011 (BST)
    So another policy will get passed by a group of individuals that give shit all about the wiki? Lovely. ~Vsig.png 17:08, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
    Whether it passes or not doesn't overly concern me. Which reminds me… ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 23:59, 24 May 2011 (BST)
  8. Keep - u dont delete my contributions to the wiki without me having a say about it --People's Commissar Hagnat [talk] [wcdz] 20:37, 22 May 2011 (BST)
  9. Keep - I prefer the template--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 20:40, 22 May 2011 (BST)

5 delete votes and 4 keeps. Merged (via move) with {{WP}}. Kept {{Wikipedia}} as a soft redirect. Fixed remaining links. ~Vsig.png 05:40, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

No reason to have a soft redirect when a standard redirect preserves functionality and doesn't make it harder to reach the new template page(the entire purpose of soft redirects)--Karekmaps 2.0?! 07:05, 6 June 2011 (BST)

... this must be one of the most dumb moves since gen tried to pass an anti-goon policy with the goons active in the wiki. Creating a redirect in template:wikipedia to ]]template:wp]] just adds more server load to a template whose main reason for deletion was server load. Its just too dumb for me to understand it. The merge votes should've count as a kept in this case, ffs --hagnat 12:31, 6 June 2011 (BST)

You're right, since server load is the issue, we pretty much should have had this deleted lul -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 12:41, 6 June 2011 (BST)
Yeah, pretty much. I kept as a soft redirect per Rev's suggestion but Karek reverted back to a typical redirect. If people want to keep it as a redirect or just keep the template rather than delete it then that's fine with me. That was never brought up during voting but whatever. ~Vsig.png 15:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
It's a soft redirect now actually. It was just waiting on verification that all usage was gone. Also, not really server intensive in any way. Even the claims of the editing of it were edits done by the people claiming they were a problem. Anyways, now it's set to sit for a month or three until we can be reasonably sure people have gotten the message.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 09:19, 7 June 2011 (BST)
I think we're both misinterpreting what a soft redirect is. They are just a short messages directing someone to an external site. I don't even think a soft (or even a "hard") redirect is warranted TBQH. It should just be deleted since that is how the voting concluded. If there is sufficient reason to keep it, put in a request at A/U. Otherwise, it comes off a lot like just a disagreement with the voting results and maneuvering things to turn this into a keep. ~Vsig.png 05:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I just set it up in a way to make it clear that WP was the current version and this page is no longer in use as a template. Terminology be damned I guess. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 08:43, 8 June 2011 (BST)
That's all well and good, but it was voted for deletion??? -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 04:34, 9 June 2011 (BST)
Yeah no, when 2 of the 5 deletes are merges and the other 4 votes are keeps that reasoning doesn't really fly. Especially when you actually read Revenants vote. That being said it's still going to be deleted, it's just going to be left as a soft redirect for a bit first because the template still exists. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 09:04, 9 June 2011 (BST)
My point is that it's funny when so many people vote but in the end it becomes a situational decision by one person pushing for what they want. I voted delete because I use the [[wikipedia]] code personally, but as a whole I'm indifferent. It's worth noting though that Merge got the least votes out of all the options, even if you aren't inclined to count them as implicit deletes (which you are) -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 09:25, 9 June 2011 (BST)
Meh, the only reason it qualifies is that last Merge vote that puts it over and since the vote in question specifically qualifies itself as situational upon the soft redirect it's really just common sense. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 09:34, 9 June 2011 (BST)
I wasn't quite aware that we were intending on deleting it eventually and this was transitional? Is that actually the case? Cause if it is, it makes more sense and has made me look like a dil to boot. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 11:21, 9 June 2011 (BST)
We are and it is.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 11:27, 9 June 2011 (BST)
I remember reading that but somewhere along the line I forgot. I'm a bit of a mess -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 03:51, 11 June 2011 (BST)
S'ok, apparently you're not the only one who doesn't have time to read s recent comments make oh so clear. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 17:29, 11 June 2011 (BST)

What are you guys doing? Let me run through the process for handling a Delete and Merge result, since it's very simple, but has apparently been forgotten:

  1. Merge the two pages.
  2. Fix all links to point to the new page, except where they were specifically being used to refer to the old one as opposed to the new one (e.g. discussions like here)
  3. Fix all transclusions to point to the new page that it's being merged into
  4. Delete the page

That's all you guys had to do, but for some reason, you got stuck between #2 and #3. Why did no one check for and fix transclusions before replacing the template with text telling people not to use it? And why was that text put in at all, when your job was to follow the vote's results and delete the page? We don't need text telling people not to use a page that's been deleted, since people don't use pages that aren't there. That's why you delete them. Why has this not been done? Aichon 21:32, 10 June 2011 (BST)

I did fix all incoming links and transclusions (although I think I must have missed the one transclusion in this vote). As for deleting it, that's what is currently under discussion. Pages have been kept as a redirect during a deletion before. I don't know that a redirect of this nature has been used before but I'm open to using them. I just want it made clear what is happening, since at first it seemed to me like maneuvering to turn a delete decision into a keep decision. ~Vsig.png 21:45, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
1. Not a standard case. 2. If you can't be asked to read any of the intervening discussion that has happened don't bother to comment. You're just wasting everyone's time at this point. Third, since I know you won't bother to read through any of it because of your "right-ness"(a common problem with users of this wiki), Template:Wikipedia is a long existing template that was implemented 5 years ago. Above and beyond that it's a popular template on wikipedia projects. If you don't want to run the risk of users recreating it you do it this way, which is also the only way it actually passes as a delete vote, having changed it essentially just saved the step of creating the soft redirect or redirect(since one is justified, the template still exists). Also, it's still getting deleted, now shoo. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 17:29, 11 June 2011 (BST)
*"Can't be arsed".--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 18:32, 11 June 2011 (BST)
I'll excuse your personal (and hurtful, coming from you) attacks on me as a courtesy. First off, I'm aware of its history and would prefer it stay around (see my vote above). Second, as I'm sure you agree, failing to fix any transclusions was an oversight in need of correction, and leaving them while altering the template is never part of proper procedure, so a mistake was definitely made here. Third, I think that you're not giving Rev enough credit, since he's a smart guy, is well-versed in the rules, and says what he means. If he had wanted it to be taken the way you say, he could have said Keep with his comment, or else he could have said Merge on the condition that it be done as he described. Instead, he said Merge, which he knows acts as a Delete, and he phrased it as a suggestion, instead of as a comment on which his vote was contingent. Fourth, see Crit 6. That's how you stop people from recreating the page on this wiki. Anyway, I'm not going to stick around to argue it further, so you'll get what you wanted from me. Aichon 18:57, 11 June 2011 (BST)
Not personal, just frustrated. Sometimes even I tire of repeating myself and this would mke probably the fourth time this has been addressed. It's an unusual case and a close vote, it seems reasonable to try and do it in a way that has the least potential to cause issues(in this case phasing it out in steps). As for Crit 6, that's generally connected with vandalism cases historically. A situation that relies on it is less than ideal. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 21:44, 11 June 2011 (BST)

Dupilcated image

[1] Un-used duplicate of [2], 1 could be deletead?--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 16:03, 17 May 2011 (BST)

  1. Scheduled - but I'll check with Schwan before deleting. ~Vsig.png 16:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
  2. Speedy - Two days short of a scheduled. -- Cheese 18:50, 17 May 2011 (BST)

A. Schwan confirmed on his talk page that the image was unneeded, so I deleted it as crit 7 by proxy. ~Vsig.png 21:37, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Template:Nosubst

Horrible hack that exists only to work around sensible software limitations. We should take the opportunity given by the new sig size limits to recognise this, delete this abomination, and have all users made to use proper signatures. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 11:26, 2 May 2011 (BST)

Just to be clear... this isn't going to break existing sig inclusions, is it. Just people who (attempt to) use it from now on.
I have long hated templated sigs, but then I also hate having to scroll through huge swathes of sig code if it's subst'ed into discussions -- boxy 11:37, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Correct.
And yeah, me too, but it's a bit “damned if you do, damned if you don't”, and templated sigs cause more problems than they solve, which is why they're prohibited by default by the MediaWiki software unless you deliberately circumvent that with a measure such as this template.ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 11:53, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Or change a one-line setting in the software....--The General T Sys U! P! F! 12:09, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Sadly I feel its too late. If it was setup from the beginning, I'd have no problem, but deleting it now is just going to break loads of links. Rev should set up UDWiki 2.0 --Rosslessness 12:16, 2 May 2011 (BST)
It was set up in the beginning, by Kevan, and then hacked around by users. And it shouldn't change any links that use it properly: the rest can be easily fixed. What it will do is necessitate users to change their sigs. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 12:27, 2 May 2011 (BST)
No it wasn't. The mediawiki software didn't originally force substitution in signatures: It was added in an update and there wasn't originally a setting to turn it off, so we developed a workaround.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 12:33, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Whats the fix? --Rosslessness 12:37, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Mostly deleting it out of MrAushvitz's fucking sig. Grr! Argh! *shaking fist* ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 12:44, 2 May 2011 (BST)
Ah, thats why its used on so many of the old suggestion pages. Get on that, use your crazy robot. --Rosslessness 12:49, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  1. Kill with fire. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 11:26, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  2. Keep - Templated sigs are allowed by wiki policy; If you don't like it then change the policy rather than trying to delete the template that allows them.--The General T Sys U! P! F! 11:44, 2 May 2011 (BST)
    Mind to show me where a policy directly grants the use of templated sigs as a right? Can't find it in the sig policy, nor do I see any other applicable policy. -- Spiderzed 11:57, 2 May 2011 (BST)
    The section that says: What would be allowed - Anything that isn't? --Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 12:01, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  3. Kill this is terrible, I assume, so down with it or something. --カシュー, ザ ゾンビ クィーン (ビープ ビープ) Katthewsigtag.gif @ 12:17, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  4. Keep - This template is linked to lots of stuff. Who is going to fix all of the broken links if this gets deleted?--GANG Giles Sednik CAPD 12:24, 2 May 2011 (BST)
    Me, if nobody else does, and before it gets deleted. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 12:34, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  5. keep as above-- Boobs.sh.siggie.gif   bitch  12:31, 2 May 2011 (utc)
  6. Keep - just because I think General has a better option of dealing with this- it would also allow more comfortable transition period for those of us who do used the damned templated sigs. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 12:47, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  7. Keep --Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 12:59, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  8. Keep -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 13:08, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  9. Kill -- Honestly ok with this. Can we get rid of the signature policy next? Maybe replace it with something that simply says your sig can't impersonate other users, break pages, and needs to show who you are and leave it at that? --Karekmaps 2.0?! 13:41, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  10. Kill Having looked at it, seems fair, as long as rev wipes out the linked list. --Rosslessness 13:52, 2 May 2011 (BST)
  11. Keep --Weed.jpgArthur DentWeed.jpg BIN LADEN IS DEAD!!!!! 14:31, 2 May 2011
  12. Keep It works fine. Has for years. Old folks coming back to the wiki will have to deal with some shit the first time they try to sign. Would be pretty off-putting I think. ~Vsig.png Amurica. Fuck. Yeah 22:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
  13. Delete -- boxy 07:42, 3 May 2011 (BST)
  14. Delete -obsolete --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 15:41, 3 May 2011 (BST)
  15. Keep - The only way I'll be okay with a delete if there is a code length limit on signatures. So steal from WP, basically. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:56, 10 May 2011 (BST)
    With the software update, signatures are now limited by the software to 255 characters. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 03:41, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    The Goon's signature (and probably others) still manage to be ridiculously big. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:33, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    They're subst'd in. If they were using {{nosubst}} and signing using e.g. {{SUBST:Nosubst|Goonsig|Revenant}}, they'd be breaking the template transclusion limit on every page they posted on in short order. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 04:40, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    That's not what I'm talking about; I'm talking about how long the code for their signatures are. It's very long. If templated signatures want to be deleted, it's better suited for policy discussion, provided a reasonable alternative is included (so no long signature codes, it makes me angry). --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 04:44, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    I'm not sure you're understanding me, so I'll give you a demonstration… the invocation {{Goonsig|Revenant}} gives You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||, which is the same as what specifying {{SUBST:Nosubst|Goonsig|Revenant}} as your signature results in. In contrast, using {{SUBST:Goonsig|Revenant}} as your signature results in… You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!||||||||||||||||||||||||
    I think what AHLG is saying is that without {{nosubst}}, all code heavy signatures will add heavy amounts of code to pages when signing. The inclusion sizes don't matter to too many people as long as they don't have to wade through umpteen lines of code when they want to contribute to dicussion. My biggest issue with this deletion request is that it is being passed off as sensible software limitations. I don't believe sensible is the right word. Minimal or default software limits is more descriptive. Its like saying that the "if" templates are a crappy hack job because the software has sensible limits on parser functions. The wiki software sucks. It's vanilla. So what if there exists a hack to make it suck less? It's rare that anything is broken because of templated sigs. ~Vsig.png 05:26, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
    It's really not as rare as it would be without Nosubst. Not to mention that with Nosubst gone it would mean that actually useful templates won't be excluded from pages like A/VB and A/M. It actually opens up possibilities for us that we currently have to code around.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:50, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    When I say rare I mean extremely rare. The only instance of page breakage in recent history was A/VB and it was due mostly to the whole of A/VB/Bots being transcluded. And then it only became a problem when we came under heavy bot attacks. That problem was easily solved by no longer transcluding A/VB/Bots, which was largely unecessary to begin with. It could also be argued that it was the size of the regular non-sig templates causing it to break. If any other possibilities will arise by deleting {{nosubst}}, I fail to see what they may be. ~Vsig.png 06:10, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
    It actually really can't because the sig templates were actually being called multiple times in the inclusion chain. While it's easy enough to noinclude them and thus limit the amount of data being called through them superficially, that also compromises the purpose of signing needlessly. We shouldn't have to adapt how pages work because some users want to use a feature actually disabled by the software itself. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 22:04, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    Yes, the sigs were called multiple time but so were the non-sig templates due to the fact that the whole of A/VB/B being transcluded. In the case of the templated sigs, it was a template call ({{nosubst}}), inside a template call (the template sig which themselves sometimes called on other templates) inside a template call (the transcluded A/VB/B). Similarly, with the non-sig templates, there were template calls ({{usr}}), inside a template call ({{vndl}}) inside a template call (the transcluded A/VB/B). The points I'm trying to make are that a) we've taken steps to correct page breaking on A/VB and b) it really wasn't necessary to transclude A/VB/B in the first place. Whatever value that A/VB/B added to A/VB was superficial and it is actually a lot simpler to just include links to it from MediaWiki:recentchangestext and MediaWiki:blockipsuccesstext and be done with it. ~Vsig.png 14:40, 12 May 2011 (UTC)
    Vapor: Not at all. There is a wiki software setting to enable unsubstituted template signatures. Kevan has it set to the default, which is to disable them. When I described this as a “hack workaround”, that was the literal truth. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 07:19, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    That's not entirely accurate. Kevan hasn't set it to anything: When the wiki was first set up the setting wasn't available and templated signatures were allowed; a software update disallowed them and the setting to change that was only introduced later. We are forced to use this sort of hack due to the difficulty in getting Kevan to change the software.--The General T U! P! F! 09:09, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    Yeah, I'm not disputing that it is a hack, I just don't agree that it is a worthless hack. I really don't believe Kevan made a conscious decision to turn off unsubstituted signatures way back when. Just like I don't think he intentionally set the max characters for raw signatures to 255. He likely just ran the update without any customization. I think we can reasonably leave {{nosubst}} in place and any sigs that happen to break pages can be dealt with on a case-by-case basis, as it has been done in the past. ~Vsig.png 15:54, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
    What I am saying is that when I hit edit there is a heck of a lot of code to wade through. Here is a sample from A/BP. Removing templated signatures encourages code use, which wouldn't be so bad if some of the signatures (irrespective of the manner in which they are placed) are really code heavy. But besides any of that, what we are really talking about is the issue that templated signatures breaking similar templates and other templates on pages. A/VB is a good example, as are talk pages. A simple solution may be to not use templated signatures on just these pages if such a problem arises, and it rarely does, do as what Vapor said just above. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:32, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    It's been a while since I checked but I'm pretty sure that template signatures trigger a few different DB searches every time they're included on a page. All changing this does is force the search to happen once when the user signs instead of every single time someone edits the page for every single time the template appears on it. On top of that signatures larger than 255 characters have to call a template in their code so that can actually be sorta policed easily enough. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 22:04, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    So, it is to say that after I sign at the end of this comment, the code is merely substed in instead of as a template? Meaning that the code length isn't an issue for whatever is added in the corresponding preferences section. It's still an issue though to how long the code is at the end result. The issue for me hasn't to do with me wanting to keep this more complex templated signature, I'm fine changing this I just find the heavy code sigs cumbersome when I go to edit. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:40, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    I'm saying that without {{GoonSig}} the goon's sigs wouldn't be possible because it's a template call made in Preferences that's substituting the template. We can police that because the template has to exist for them to call, like your sig. I'm also saying that your sig makes the server do a lot more work then, say, mine. Something on the order of 3-5 times the work with one inclusion of your sig. More every time a user uses a template signature. Mine adds to this page's DB content and gets called as part of the Page's call then run through the wiki-markup and sent to the browser so it can act on the html, yours adds to the actual processing of the page before we see it because it has to be interpreted by the wiki markup and then search the DB for the page you're referencing in the signature which then also has to be run through the wiki markup each and every single time someone loads the page for each and every time someone signs on it with a template signature. In the best case scenario it's done once per signature per page and referenced from that, at worse it's done once for every time you sign. Hopefully that answers some of the question because I'm kinda confused about what you were trying to say.--Karekmaps 2.0?! 23:07, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    It should be noted, however, that to say it is "3-5 times the load" is somewhat misleading because the queries take somewhere in the range of 0.003 seconds.--The General T U! P! F! 23:36, 11 May 2011 (BST)
    I'm talking about actual stress on the server. Also should mention that that's actually not necessarily the case, especially on larger pages about these parts and larger signatures for that matter. The number of queries can have an impact in speed, and a notable one at that. Here's an example Suggestions/RejectedDecember2005 vs User talk:Karek. The first has no expanding templates due to file size, the second takes longer to load. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 05:36, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    I might be missing your point, Karek, but those don't seem to be good examples of pages breaking/server strain due to templated sig calls. Both have giant walls of text which cause them to be so large. When that happens, templates stop working properly. I can't find even a single attempt to call on a templated sig in your first example nor is there any extraneous template usage (just {{prejection}} it seems). In your second example, nothing seems broken despite lots of templated sigs and it didn't seem to load any longer than any other page; not for my anyway. ~Vsig.png 06:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
    It was a comparison of text size vs number of calls and their effect on speed. Largely irrelevant now that I've archived my talk but here is that archive. Should have the same visible effect. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 14:43, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    I am a also talking about server load, hence my comment that a database query takes very little time. Yes, more queries do have an impact on server load but it is not generally a major problem: In fact, a few large queries are a lot heavier on the server than lots of small ones. So, yeah, lots of massive template inclusions will hurt the server but so will lots of massive walls of text on a single page and most signature templates aren't that largem.--The General T U! P! F! 08:45, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    Unless we want to ask Kevan for some performance stats to settle this, can we stop waving our wiki-peens? Tongue :P ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 08:54, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    I would prefer to call it a "reasoned debate" Tongue :P.--The General T U! P! F! 14:36, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    ^This. Although we could probably move it to the talk page or {{Nosubst}} talk page or something. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 14:43, 13 May 2011 (BST)
    Seconded, although keep the current discussion points here so for perspective voters. ~Vsig.png 14:51, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
  16. Keep - after some serious pondering. I'd vote delete in a heartbeat if it had been that way all the time, but pulling it away now will cause a lot of issues for rarely active users. Adding substings to sigs occassionally, while not fun, is the lesser evil. -- Spiderzed 17:02, 11 May 2011 (BST)
  17. Keep - I'm with Vapor and Gnome on this one.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS DORISFlag.jpg LOE ZHU | Яezzens 23:42, 13 May 2011 (BST)
  18. Keep - What problem is this fixing? Transclusion limits on high-traffic pages? If so, just ban templated sigs on the pages in question. Otherwise, I'm with AHLG. I do NOT want to read "lol" followed by 14 lines of code before I can see the next comment, which is what this would cause to happen far too often. Aichon 08:49, 15 May 2011 (BST)

Kept. 12 Keep votes and 6 Delete votes. ~Vsig.png 05:27, 17 May 2011 (UTC)


Federal Stafford Loan Program

Oh, I guess this is how pages are deleted? It was some sort of weird spam. -Susan Bakersfield 03:22, 14 May 2011 (BST)

Got this one when clearing out the bots. It's best to report them there (although it gets done here anyway). Thanks -- boxy 07:55, 14 May 2011 (BST)

Smart Revive Policy

The Smart Revive Policy was created in error and is effectively the No Random Revive Policy. It appears that Obsdark didn't read the No Random Revive Policy, and just looked at the old title of the page. There is only a few pages that link to the Smart Revive Policy and those could be redirected to the No Random Revive Policy. I also updated the No Random Revive Policy to merge in any of the needed information from Smart Revive Policy. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 02:07, 27 April 2011 (BST)

  1. Keep - this is a filibuster vote – Nubis NWO 02:14, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  2. Speedy crit 1 though voting speedy seems kind of pointless due to the above "vote". ~Vsig.png 03:09, 27 April 2011
  3. Delete - Technically crit 1, but seeing how Nubis is reading from the dictionary, it'll have to wait it out. -- Cheese 13:50, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  4. Delete Unneeded and inferior copy of an established tactic. -- Spiderzed 14:24, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  5. Speedy - Criteria 1.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 14:41, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  6. 'delete this is a busterfily vote -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 17:07, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  7. keep As a Redirect. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 21:25, 27 April 2011 (BST)
  8. Keep - redirect -- boxy 07:44, 3 May 2011 (BST)
  9. Keep as the boxman -- HEY! HANDS OFF MAH BOOBS!   bitch  06:31, 11 May 2011 (utc)
  10. Keep - Redirect it--Michalesonbadge.pngTCAPD(╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻ 22:19, 11 May 2011 (BST)

5 to 5. Kept as a redirect. ~Vsig.png 06:25, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

The living

Not really much in the way of content here. I'd like to have the page deleted so that I can use the name (with a capitol L). *Clint Clintstone* Talk 10:35 21 April 2011 (EST)

  1. delete - never got off the ground etc. -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 03:46, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  2. Keep - This is both history, a group that existed(and we don't delete disbanded groups just 'cause), and also a page stuffed full of content when context is shown. We killed crit 12 for a reason. --Karekmaps 2.0?! 03:52, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  3. Keep. Its well linked. --Rosslessness 11:04, 22 April 2011 (BST)
    My arse. it has like 8 and you made half of them years ago and only because they mentioned the dead? -- ϑanceϑanceevolution 12:07, 22 April 2011 (BST)
    Sorry, its referred to as part of the did you know section of the wiki, I don't know why Clint doesn't just use The Living --Rosslessness 12:28, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  4. Keep. As Ross. You don't have to get rid of that page to create The Living. And we could also add a disambiguation notice on top of the page to refer to the older/newer group respectively. -- Spiderzed 12:47, 22 April 2011 (BST)
    This^. Especially since they're both unique pages and the stats page links by caps(like the whole wiki). --Karekmaps 2.0?! 13:42, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  5. Keep - As Above.-- | T | BALLS! | 13:46 22 April 2011(UTC)
  6. Delete Just another of those "exists only on paper" kind of groups with no real content, the kind of which we deleted hundreds of. -- Cat Pic.png Thadeous Oakley Talk 13:59, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  7. Delete - this page doesn't stop you using the capital L space... and anyway, afaik, this one is just a reactionary page to The Dead... puppy tears, and all that, y'know Tongue :P -- boxy 15:08, 22 April 2011 (BST)
    He'll find it difficult to do as that The Living is now in use. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 21:38, 25 April 2011 (BST)
  8. Keep -- Asheets 16:15, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  9. Keep SHUT THE FUCK UP!. i loled.--  bitch 16:19, 22 April 2011
  10. Delete - get out. --Karloth Vois ¯\(°_o)/¯ 17:50, 22 April 2011 (BST)
  11. Keep - this is a filibuster vote – Nubis NWO 23:57, 23 April 2011 (BST)
  12. Keep - Sure, why not - Serious Post Please do not silly. You rated this wiki '1'! Great job, go hog wild!|||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| DealWithIt.gif 15:27, 24 April 2011 (BST)
  13. Keep - We're already deleting the living from the game, why not have a reminder they once existed here? --Laughing Man 15:44, 24 April 2011 (BST)
  14. Weak Keep - As Karek and Ross, but weaker. Linkthewindow  Talk  16:18, 24 April 2011 (BST)
  15. Keep - As Karek and Ross. --Akule Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™ 21:38, 25 April 2011 (BST)
  16. Keep - As Spiderzed.--Yonnua Koponen T G P ^^^ 17:40, 26 April 2011 (BST)

Kept with 12 Keeps and 4 Deletes. ~Vsig.png 06:17, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Bookmarks

I wanted to make a page under my username, but instead made this. I already remade the page under my user-name, here, so I would like for you to delete this page (somebody else may want to use Bookmarks in the future, and I don't want to waste space).--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 02:33, 1 May 2011 (BST)

EDIT: Also requesting a Speedy Delete, if that is all possible.--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 02:34, 1 May 2011 (BST)
Scheduled – Speedy, Crit 7 by proxy. All gone. Happy ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾ 03:56, 1 May 2011 (BST)

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