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Three Minutes...

...Since anyone last commented you on here. Very upsetting. How's everything going with the game? Is everything good?--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)

What are you talking about? Scroll down to the bottom, haha. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 21:42, 12 June 2009 (BST)

You're a funny one. Also, the page's confusing because Kevan doesn't state to put new stuff at the bottom or top, unfortunately, so people go with wherever their own preference is. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 21:59, 12 June 2009 (BST)

I tend to look for a trend. Unfortunately, it turns out that the trend i followed only applied for the two posts i read.--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 20:06, 13 June 2009 (BST)

Monroeville Badges

Just so you know there are survivors (although very few) that are still roaming around in Monroeville. It would be nice if you could give some kind of emblematic badge of appreciation for the few that made it this far. I hope thats not asking too much, but for staying alive this long its quiet a feat to accomplish and deserves some kind of reward. --Evildiehard 02:53, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Monroeville Airlift

Hi Kevan, I am one of the few remaining survivors in Monroeville. With the Christmas update being implemented, I was curious to know if I set up a Christmas tree and some lights in a building for a few days, would a Helicopter come by and take my character to Malton? I don't want to do something in vain that could end up killing my character that has survived for ten months... --Evildiehard 06:18, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

hey Evildiehard, i'm The Last Unlucky Guy, we were in harvey's group together, i like that idea, can i get in on it too? Getting my character out of Monroeville would be great, i've grown too attached to him and if i got killed, especially after going solo, and survivng for this time, it would really suck :( --Three Dog 19:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

clothing suggestions

Hi, long time no see. I've got another question about clothing. I see that you haven't implemented any new clothing for almost a year and the pages in question are receiving little to no traffic. Are you still in need of new Clothing ideas Suggestions or can I close the page and move everything into their relevant archives?-- Vista  T  00:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Will donate for awesome clothing

Basically, I was just wondering that if I donated $50AU or something, that maybe you might code in some blood-proof clothing, just for moi? I mean, it's a decent chunk of funds as all... --• LtZurSee slapped your nose with a newspaper for a heal from CORAM (0 seconds ago) 01:30, 26 October 2008 (BST)

Broken Wiki page

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php?title=5th_of_November%2F2008&diff=1271116&oldid=1270525

The page I want is the last edit that I made for if, and I have no idea what went wrong. Someone directed me here... --/\Haliman/\ ^{T | P! | W!} 00:44, 11 September 2008 (BST)

Iwitness typo

Got really bored, and noticed there was a typo.

"What does it mean if a record is PUBLIC or PRIVATE?

Public records are just that- anybody can (if they take the time to look) find them and look at the information they contain. Private records are hidden in directories whose contents are not open to the public view, and the random number string appended to the end of the file name makes it impossible for anybody to find them through luck or accident. "Private" records are in fact so hard to locate that if you don't record their location, you'll never them again. That's OK when you just want to share a quick secret with some friends in a private chat room or secure forum, though- just copy the link and paste it somewhere you and you friends can find it, but others will not see it! User accounts do provide a way to retrieve all of the private records a user creates while logged into that account, so while still quite private, they are not going to vanish. User accounts also potentially allow for other levels of security; all of these are essentially private records that only certain people can see, or which do not display all of the details of the record in order to protect the privacy and safety of "innocent bystanders".

http://www.urbandead.info/iwitness/iwitness_FAQ.php#security

--/\Haliman/\ ^{T | P! | W!} 15:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Check your talk page, Haliman111.  Swiers 01:36, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Suicide Repair

Most of the time it isn't easy to let a building reach the higher levels of decay and takes the effort of multiply zombie players. Lately as more buildings reach higher level of decay we see a raise in suicide repairs. Where survivors just spent all their AP and more to repair a long time ruined building and prepare to get eaten and revived. If suicide repairing was not what you where going for with the implemention of decay, please consider changes like:

a)Make it impossible to spent more AP on repairing than are left to this character, and probably setting a cap at 45AP as a maximum for decay.

or b)Repair only removes some part of the decay level and not all at once. Probably like tearing down barricades. --Experiment211 21:15, 13 July 2008 (BST)

I second option B. Option A could be exploited by people who wait until they have 2 or 3 AP left before running in to repair for 1 or 2 AP. B makes a lot of sense, I think. --Drugsanimudongs 17:14, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Errr... I read your suggestion wrong, Experiment211. Ignore my exploit theory! I still support B, though.

Database error on the wiki

I have been getting the following message after making edits:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:

    (SQL query hidden)

from within function "SearchMySQL4::update". MySQL returned error "1062: Duplicate entry '20534' for key 1 (localhost)".
Retrieved from "http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Category_talk:Historical_Groups"

The edits seem to be working, however. This bug just took place twice on the Historical Groups Talk/Voting page. --WanYao 11:13, 25 July 2008 (BST)

I just got one on the same page. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 15:51, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Ditto. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:06, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Happened to me too today.--Gamestriker4 21:57, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Database error

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "". MySQL returned error "1194: Table 'searchindex' is marked as crashed and should be repaired (localhost)".

Is also appearing when searching brain rot in the Suggestions and Talk Suggestions namespaces.--Karek^maps?! 19:02, 26 July 2008 (BST)

Erg. I've had some server trouble lately, I'll take a look at it. --Kevan 12:21, 27 July 2008 (BST)

Yesterday it was still doing this... It's rare as of late, it seems-- it was happening with almost every edit for a bit there -- but it *did* happen yesterday again.... --WanYao

Just hit the same after searching for brain in images. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 15:21, 3 August 2008 (BST)

I've repaired the database, it should be okay now. Let me know if any error messages still creep through, though. --Kevan 10:54, 4 August 2008 (BST)

A Little Idea for Group Affiliations

I've had an idea and would like to submit it for your consideration. Would it be possible to add in the option of a URL link added to a player's group affiliation, a la the current system with the 'Real Name' links? This would be very useful for players looking to join a group and for groups looking to recruit players, especially zombie groups who lack the ability to spray-paint places without death-culting. Whilst the RN link is used by some, myself included, for recruitment, more likely than not the majority will simply not bother clicking it after the first few times they have done that on a profile have taken them to YouTube songs or Rick-rolls. A link under the group affiliation would draw more desirable attention.

There are two ways in which I could see this working: The first is to have the group affiliation act in the same way as the Real Life link, with the player choosing the URL; the second would be to have the GA act as the list of confirmed groups on the stats page does: An automatic link to the wiki page of said confirmed group. My personal belief is that the latter would be the superior option, so as to avoid abuse via unsavoury links which would undermine trust in the system (this is of course going under the assumption that you have a system which makes the links appear automatically on the stats page, rather than having to add them all in yourself of course).

Just my thought for the early morning.

Regards. --Papa Moloch 04:37, 4 August 2008 (BST)

Please make your suggestions here: Category:Current Suggestions. Seriously Moloch, you have been around long enough to know how suggestions are handled. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 04:40, 4 August 2008 (BST)

FWIW, my personal version of 'ActOnProfile' already modifies the group name to be a link to the wiki page for that group. Its pretty handy, even if just to find out the group has no page. A fancier GM script could easily determine if the page actually exists, and not make it a link if it doesn't, which would be nice. Server side code could likely do the same thing better.  Swiers 05:02, 4 August 2008 (BST)

Copyright question

after playing Urban dead I had an idea making it into a warcraft 3 map and before I release 1: may I release a map made by maps and the same idea of urban dead and with its name/s 2: are there any requires you want? for example I could advertise for the site every 5 mins(I can have the map do that for me)I have all ready given credit to Urban dead and if you want I can give direct credit to you also—The preceding Template:Wikipedia comment was added by Undeadpope (talk • contribs) 23:42, 6 August 2008.

l2english.--xoxo 11:34, 7 August 2008 (BST)

If it's clearly presented as an unofficial fan project, and isn't making any money, then I wouldn't have a problem with it. --Kevan 11:51, 7 August 2008 (BST)

IP hits and construction

If I repair a badly damaged building (15ap etc.) Is that one IP hit or 15? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 10:32, 9 August 2008 (BST)

It'd be one. it's a measure of how many times you refresh the map page not ap. The only exception (as far as i'm aware) is syringe manufacture which is 20.--xoxo 03:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)

I thought i was getting more than my regular action. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:32, 10 August 2008 (BST)

Is that confirmed or just a guess?--Kooks 22:50, 13 October 2008 (BST)

It's certainly incorrect. I repaired a building costing 134ap and still had more than enough IP hits to play my other characters.--xoxo 00:11, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Monroeville and headshot

All the high level survivors I know (about 30) have been holding out for the return of perma-death headshot with the quarantine. I see the quarantine is back, but everything still says that headshot is not permanent. Is this the case? If you're not bringing it back then you might as well close down the server or at least tell us officially. Because as currently constituted only one side can win, and though we could probably prolong things indefinitely I fail to see the point. --Babe's Ghost 03:59, 17 August 2008 (BST)

I couldn't agree more with this post. Staying alive as a member of an organized group in Monroeville is possible but it takes a large amount of coordination and effort. I fail to see the "game" part of current Monroeville on the survivor side, something permanent headshot would bring to the table. If balance is an issue, I'm sure the zombie side would love to have non-curable Infectious Bite. --Calem 10:09, 17 August 2008 (BST)

The evidence of the most recent opening of Monroeville suggests that it takes about 6 weeks for the city to go from totally survivor-dominated to totally destroyed with the survivors on the run and hiding in the wreckage. Therefore, it seems to me that the most fun and interesting way to do it would be to run Monroeville in cycles. Every five to six weeks or so switch the rules to give one side or the other the advantage. So, having now had an extened Zombie Friendly period of time, you allow the Survivors to have their turn for a month and a half with closed borders and "permanent" (until the next cycle) headshot. Then re-open it to new admissions with the usual "Zombies stand back up" rules for a month and a half, then close it again and so on and so forth. That way, both sides always have something to look forward to and there's always something to plan for. Frankly, this solution still favors the Zombies somewhat in that a dead Survivor still never gets a chance to come back to life, but its significantly more fair than the current situation where Survivors can never repair a building for more than a couple of days before getting buried under a tide of zombies. While that may accurately reflect the desperate conditions of the later Dead movies and some of the supporting fiction, its not much fun to be a Survivor under these circumstances, and this is a game. --jng2058 12:54, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Agreed. Right now Monroeville is only a game of attrition with an inevitable (tedious) end. Maybe that's in keeping with Romero's cannon, but it puts survivors in an unwinnable position and leaves the zombies without enough challenge to stave off boredom. If the game's going to be left open, then since zombies are in the advantage right now (by 4:1) why not restore headshot and see what happens? CoopVancer 21:34, 17 August 2008 (BST)

Actually Coop- if you think about it- zombie take over isn't necessary canon in the zombie/post-apoc genre nor Romero canon, but merely an outcome of the core theme. What destroys the humans isn't the zombies, which are fairly weak, but their failure to overcome their individual self interest and cooperate. Restoring headshot would work now consistent with the canon. Headshot is something survivors learn with experience. At present, most of the survivors, don't have the XP to have headshot.

So I guess this is down to a test of wills then? Of humanity? How long can humans survive before break down, succumb to anarchy, or make a mistake and get eaten? We will not. Survivors will not descend into madness. We will survive under these horrible conditions! We will be ever vigilant! (until an emergency comes up in real life, then we're pretty much zombie-food) Bystander 22:30, 20 August 2008 (BST)

Bystander, I recommend the buddy system. Give someone in your group your PW so they can move you in an emergency.--Babe's Ghost 00:01, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Yes, your reading is correct that perma-headshot isn't returning.--Kevan 16:59, 18 August 2008 (BST)

Will there be any type of reward for x number of survivors remaining?

I'm just going to say the only reason to ask this is because what the point of trying to survive if the hoard of zombies will eventually take over all? All i want to know is there anything that actually would give hope to the survivors?

Yeah, it would be nice if the last 100 survivors were transported to Malton with text like "NAME survived the second Monroeville quarantine." or "NAME was one of the last 100 to die in Monroeville." on their profile page. --BetterLuck 23:23, 18 August 2008 (BST)

I hope something happens that's good at least for survivors, now they outnumber us way too much now--Kazypoo1 15:44, 19 August 2008 (BST)

Monroeville Characters

I was just wondering if you had any plans for allowing players to have their Monroeville character's account moved to Malton. I just want to know because I happen to really like my MV character from an RP perspective and would like to play as him in a city that isn't completely ruined and dead... or at least use his name for a character in Malton.--William Told 03:08, 21 August 2008 (BST)

No - you can transfer donation flags, but not characters. If you want to roleplay the same character in Malton, just create a new account with a slightly different name. --Kevan 09:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)

How do you transfer donation flags from a Monroeville character to a Malton one? Thanks. --Alias81 13:10, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Just go to your "settings" page and enter a name. I've now added this to the FAQ. --Kevan 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Don't fucking jimmy me, jules.

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I swear that 84 minutes almost pushed me over the brink...--xoxo 09:34, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Yeah, it looks like the wiki backups are pushing the server over the brink as well, from sheer weight of data, to the point of actually overheating the machine. I'm going to have to do another archive-history purge, as it's been a long time since the last one. --Kevan 10:24, 21 August 2008 (BST)

NOOOOOO! Not the memories! Take anything but the memories! --xoxo 10:30, 21 August 2008 (BST)

What about all teh lulz?!?!?!?!? Jed! ACTIVATE LULZ PRESERVATION PROCEDURES. CODE RED!--Nallan (Talk) 10:44, 21 August 2008 (BST)

OMG DID YOU SAY CODE RED?!?!?!?!--xoxo 10:47, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Good man. You'll do me proud yet. btw Kevan we just bought UD shirts so hopefully that means you don't have to go ahead with this "purging" business...--Nallan (Talk) 10:48, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Yeah i've thrown my best days into UD and my best money too. The least you could do is buy more server space so that a purge need never happen again. What if we need to check back over to see who made an edit? Or find long lost lulz? I mean 2 Cool have a variety of quality projects using that space. ALiM, ELiM, Great Fire of 1912, Sir Dick Longman, Suburb Nicknames, Colloquialisms and Malton Girl on Girl Parade all spring to mind. Of course there are many many more worthy pages created in the name of Kevan, this is just a tasty sampling.--xoxo 10:53, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Stop blatantly spamming your endless vomit pile of useless wiki projects.--CyberRead240 11:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Quality projects using the page history space? If there's something good in there that's been deleted for wiki policy reasons, can't you host it somewhere else where people will actually find it? --Kevan 11:07, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Well if there is that's what we'll do. By the way - whilst I'm here, can I get your thoughts on this page. Totally just out of interest and not fishing for an endorsement to stick in the first sentence of the article... And did you purposely give some of the locations amusing names or was it all the result of some cosmic event?--Nallan (Talk) 11:22, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Also thanks for the recognition that they are in fact quality. And yes page history contains lols and should be kept for this reason. For example this particular work would never have been possible if page histories weren't kept. Save Page Histories, i think i smell a 2C wikiproject coming on...--xoxo 11:32, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Ah that smell. I know her well.--Nallan (Talk) 11:33, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Just wondering if there's a time-frame for this, there's an administrative Archive of Two we need to finish up before it happens, shouldn't take more than a few hours each.--Karek^maps?! 16:59, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Turns out that it might just be the A/VB talk archives.--Karek^maps?! 17:03, 21 August 2008 (BST)

What in the name of all things holy is an archive history purge? Do i need to be in the brace position? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:11, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Look at the contribs of an older member, like myself. Ive ben around and posting since october 2005. you will see pretty much nothingb that old. A history purge is just that, a deletion of all revisions older than a certain age from the database. Its one of the reasons we make archive pages. Histories can get seriously huge, especially on larger, more active pages. For examples of the biggest, try A/VB and Talk:Suggestions --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 18:02, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Cheers Grimbo. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:06, 21 August 2008 (BST)

Couldn't Kev just get rid of the bigs one then? Talk suggestions is a particularly useless page...--xoxo 07:08, 22 August 2008 (BST)

It'll be some time during September, and it'll be clearing out to a specific date (probably everything over a year old). If you need me to hold off while some admin archives are made, let me know. --Kevan 17:37, 27 August 2008 (BST)

I believe we finally got them all done.--Karek^maps?! 01:17, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Thanks. --Kevan 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)

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Maybe we do need to lose some of our precious memories...--xoxo 09:48, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Is barricading affected in dark buildings?

Would you be able to resolve this question, please? (i.e. is there an effect in dark buildings on barricading success?) --WanYao 12:05, 27 August 2008 (BST)

As Midi said, you should try doing your own research on this inquiry first. It seems like you haven't even checked by yourself. --Aeon17x 14:21, 27 August 2008 (BST)

It's based on chance - sorta hard to get solid evidence when it could just be called "bad luck". Sometimes you have to go to the source to find out if you're just having a shitty day or if it's some game mechanic that's actually stopping you from hitting all those zeds at the local RP... I mean... er...--Nallan (Talk) 14:53, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Aeon, I did "check for myself"... As in. I've experienced it numerous times in-game... Then I went to Brainstock, asked around for a second opinion, and got one... But that wasn't good enough for you people... So I decided to ask Kevan, himself -- especially since Nallan kind of has a point, and since it's not easy to find the conditions to conduct the experiment... In any event, I managed to find a place to try it: I posted the results on the Darkness talk page. However, a quick word, yea or nay, from the designer really would be appreciated... Now... none of this "discussion" was necessary, not here, stop spamming this page, sheeesh. --WanYao 23:14, 27 August 2008 (BST)

You typed more than the first three comments combined. And you complain about spamming? --Aeon17x 01:31, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Yes, there is an effect. --Kevan 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)

theres 98 survivors in monroeville what now?

what is going to happen now? is there anything left for the survivors other than to just run or make a last stand? is there anything for staying alive till the end. --Kazypoo1 19:13, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Stay alive I guess. --Federationtrooper 22:49, 27 August 2008 (BST)

umm the count jumped UP TO 100, what just happened? --Kazypoo1 03:50, 28 August 2008 (BST)

And it's 101 now. --Aeon17x 05:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Idled characters standing up, most likely. Hellooooo. --WanYao 06:11, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Yes, idlers. So, will all characters be deleted completely? Should we make a last stand? What will happen to the accounts? Will there be permaneny links to the diaries, that can still be obtained after the accounts are deleted? Knowing the basic plan will help us figure out what we should be doing.--Kolechovski 20:37, 28 August 2008 (BST)

If I recall correctly, at some point the game will be shut down. I mean shut down. At which point Kevan has said that any donations on MV alts will be transferable to Malton. He has hinted that he might allow MV alts to be moved to Malton once it's shut right down -- although I haven't noticed anything like this in a while, maybe he's changed his mind? I dunno... My advice, personally is to wait and see... Possibly Kevan doesn't even know yet how he'll wrap it up. --WanYao 22:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)

I'm pretty sure that MV characters won't be transferable to Malton.--William Told 01:49, 31 August 2008 (BST)

Okay, but what will happen to the actual accounts though? What would happen if I tried to login with it after the map ends? Will the diary be preserved?--Kolechovski 20:59, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Aren't they (donation tags) already transferable? i'm pretty sure they should be. --~~~~ [talk] 21:02, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Donations are transferrable, and accounts aren't - it was always going to be one or the other, and donations seemed more appropriate. Profiles and diaries will be kept in perpetuity. And given how little difference there is between shutting the city down entirely and leaving it open for zombies to mill aimlessly around in, I might just leave it open. --Kevan 15:09, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Fair enough? Any chance of us active zeds getting another tag in our profiles? Ive noticed those survivors still active have got one. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 18:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)

For what? --Deadblast 19:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)

It looks like this [[1]], one like blah was an active zombie one month into the 2nd quarantine. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:49, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Again, I ask, "For what?" For staying active? --Deadblast 23:35, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Sorry. yep.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:29, 8 September 2008 (BST)

You knew when you signed up that it was not going to be a permanent map. And you knew the basic rules of the game, as well. You knew... Now, deal with it. --WanYao 21:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)

FAQs addition?

I don't know why you haven't gotten around to it, but here you can even find a pretyped one to add. It's a quick, simple addition...

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Talk:Suggestions#Add_encumbrance_section_to_the_FAQs

Also, I'm not trying to bother you, but could you check the bugs page and try to deal with some of those issues? I noticed my moved-outside reports already in the known bugs section, and that sounds like a creepy one that's been happening to a number of people. I also see a number of other bugs commonly happening, with no hint of what's going on. Thanks. --Kolechovski 20:44, 28 August 2008 (BST)

Once again...dupe. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ ^{#nerftemplatedsigs} 19:28, 30 August 2008 (BST)

That's why I wondered why he hasn't gottena round to it yet. It's been around a while, and it seems pretty needed.--Kolechovski 21:04, 2 September 2008 (BST)

Enough is enough

I know you don't want to deal with this kind of stuff... yeah yeah yeah... But please just look at this post. Just quickly...

Enough is enough, already. Please ban open proxies from accessing Urban Dead, because this is just too common -- and if anything is going to kill this game and the community it's zerging. There is a massive level of frustration over zerging, though honestly it's not brought up because people are fatalistic, figuring you're not going to do anything about it. But there are people willing and able to assist with the coding, with helping to set this up, you just need to say "Yes" to getting the ball rolling. Please consider it, consider something... Because it's a serious problem ((that is, the use of proxies). And, unfortunately -- unless there is something huge we are all missing -- it's a problem that your abuse detection algorithms just can't deal with... --WanYao 12:55, 31 August 2008 (BST)

Just to add... This guy in the post I linked to likely had his alts banned, and just kept making more and more to replace them... which, if true, shows that algorithm works against "normal" multi-abusers. But when you're dealing with proxies, you can completely circumvent those algorithms. And that's the problem... Active players usually encounter at least a couple obvious "zerg teams" every week... And a lot more less obvious but suspicious ones... It's very frustrating for those who try to play "by the book"... And while we generally just "shrug and bear it", still... I'm not going to bother you with this anymore now, but I really felt it was high time to bring this your attention, and to speak out for the many people who are so frustrated by the prevalence of zerging in Urban Dead. Thanks for your attention. --WanYao 13:17, 31 August 2008 (BST)

I'm going to take the liberty of seconding the above on behalf of both the Ridleybank Resistance Front and Columbine Kids, two fair-playing teams that I lead who encounter zerg teams weekly. Whether something comes of this or not, I just want to add our voices. --Papa Moloch 18:38, 1 September 2008 (BST)

Ha. The only topic on the page not address by Kev on Sept 3. Come on man an least a reply saying you cbf would be nice...--xoxo 05:03, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Sure, I'll take a look at any ideas or technologies people have got. I'm not aware of any silver bullets that don't also turn up false-positives for people on weird ISPs or who have a misleadingly-configured home network, but would be happy to be proven wrong. --Kevan 11:29, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Interesting Tangent: Speaking of silver bullets, i recently found out that all that stuff from days yonder referring to silver bullets and there use in banishing monsters is actually ambiguous as to if it's talking about actual silver, or mercury (which was known as quicksilver at the time). so yeah, you may in fact be unaware of any mercury bullets. Just keep that in mind when banishing foes.--xoxo 12:36, 5 September 2008 (BST)

There was a discussion on Beerhah.com about this... Where some people were attempting to seriously address the issue and then come to you with some solutions. Sadly, interest seemed to wane once Finis Valorum apparently left the game... However, I am going to copy what was probably the most relevant and hopefully most useful post in that discussion. As you'll see, the solution was not an algorithm and/or set of "suspicious" IPs, etc. -- which I gather was you were talking about above? Rather, the main idea it was using a list of known proxies and simply banning them. I actually think the wiki sysops have a pretty long list of banned proxies, for a start perhaps that could be used...

And, no solution is going to perfect. There will always be holes, always ways around whatever measures you impliment. As the post I'll copy discusses. That, I think, is pretty well understood. However, the point is to make it as difficult as possible for people to cheat. Open proxies are just too easy to find and use... Now, I don't know if paying for a proxy list is going to be effective, or a waste of money, considering how much these things change, apparently -- that's something someone with the right knowledge would have to decide. Anyway, I'm place the text of the post on my Talk page for you to look at. Thanks for your time. --WanYao 13:21, 5 September 2008 (BST)

Sadly, we've got no follow up response yet... Kevan, are you listening? Just as another case in point, look at this... yeah I know what you say... But just look... I think you need to... I don't want to be a "bitch" about this... But I am really, really hoping we can find some way to address the zerging issue, and this requires a dialogue with you...

http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_7-1__644-f97-77b.html http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/09-12-08_2000hrs_PRIVATE/IN_8-1__0c7-19c-2b9.html

LOLz at my insane typos notwithstanding (i meant "flayed alive") .... This is sadly typical... We see this stuff all the time: here, 4 alts, at least, 2 each in adjacent buildings, from someone with a whole slew of "mithra" alts, many more than these 4, many of them previously spotted together -- this guy is familiar to us... We've presented some ideas for dealing with zergs like this, there is a discussion on the AZM Talk page... Will you work on this? --WanYao 21:08, 12 September 2008 (BST)

Kevan, please do this: community appointed UD moderators. These trusted moderators will ban obvious zerging reported by players. To investigate zerging only basic information is needed: history of when the zergs all logged in, and how long they've been around each other. 95% of zergers are stupid and lazy and will be caught this way. No permanent bans, just temporary ones. Enough to make the zergers life difficult. --Rupert 19:05, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

COMMUNITY appointed? You're joking, right? --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 21:09, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm kind of new, so forgive me if this is stupid... Am I correct in assuming that a lot of these zerg characters are level 1, or to a lesser degree level 2 that seldom level up or even gain XP but are used as scouts. If that's the case then I would think that any real account is going to gain XP and level up within reasonable time periods. If that's the case then would purging level 1 & 2 characters that don't level in say a month get rid of a lot of zergs? Or is there a legitimate reason for accounts within these parameters? --mvario 01:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Most zergs (despite the name) do infact end up leveling up, check out all the GTFO zergs for an example. The one's that do stay at lvl 1 and 2 are throw aways that won't be used again anyway, so deleting them wouldn't have any effect except to free up the account name to be used by another player. And that is something Kevan has said he doesn't want as it would cause confusion. Also lol @ my post up there ^ from Sept 5.--xoxo 08:48, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Last Major Change to this page?

When was the last major change to this page made, the one where months pf posts were cleared off and the number of topics reset to 0 (I assume 0)?. What about the Suggestions Development Page, where the Overflow section used to be? I'm trying to find certain old stuff, and I need to know those important dates to do so...thanks.--Kolechovski 21:07, 2 September 2008 (BST)

[[2]]This? You can chust check yourself by looking in the history tab at the top of each page. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:27, 2 September 2008 (BST)

That link's no good.--Kolechovski 21:00, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

There was a history purge so links to old edits don't work. However purges aside he's right, if you need to find an old version of the page use the history tab at the top.--xoxo 08:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

When was the last purge anyhow? That would really help. Those do make thinsg confusing...looking for old stuff that's gone...--Kolechovski 19:17, 23 April 2009 (BST)

Dear Kevan:

You may try to tear down our barricades, devour our friends and allies, destroy our home... But we will prevail. Your efforts will be met with the stalwart defense that Barrville has maintained for these three years, and with our community at our sides, you must eventually accept defeat. You will go down, Kevan... and we'll put you there. And we'll do it oldschool; With our fists, With our boots, with lead pipes...
And yes, with Axes. We shall not be put down.
We Are AXES HIGH E Cinerebus, Gloriam --Hardcore Rockabilly 16:13, 5 September 2008 (BST)

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! The man 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)

Okay, I actually thought it was quite the honour to be eaten by Kevan... but none the less worthy of an overtly trenchy and overdramatic comment. - --Hardcore Rockabilly 20:46, 23 September 2008 (BST)

Database errors

We are getting some infrequent, but still painfully annoying database errors. Last night when i was trying to edit A/VD i couldnt because of them, and we lost two current revisions on a page here to them as well. Can you please take a look and find out whats going on? --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 21:51, 10 September 2008 (BST)

Noted. --Kevan 10:43, 11 September 2008 (BST)

It looks like we lost a handful of page revisions during the history purge; I'll look at restoring them this afternoon. --Kevan 14:08, 11 September 2008 (BST)

Okay, fixed, the handful of pages that were affected are stable now. --Kevan 23:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)

About the proxy issues...

this site: http://www.gmodtop100.com/ had a similar iddue which involved everyone giving themselves votes using proxyies from proxy.org Recently the website restted all the lists and when I tried to give hits to my gmod clan, I discovered that by some sort of meckanism they had managed to block proxies from being able to vote. I know they hadn't simply banned them because even my top secret proxy was blocked and I had never used it to access the website before. Maybe if you could get in contact with this "Pulsar effect" guy we could finally end this. The man 20:31, 13 September 2008 (BST)

It's really not as simple as some people seem to think. Web-based CGI or PHP proxies, or even SOCKS/HTTP proxies, are merely the tip of the iceberg – anyone with any decent technical expertise or friends with same can bypass any proxy list you care to come up with. Sure, it might be helpful, but it won't be a silver bullet, as Kevan alluded to above. Either way, we'll need to continue with community-based solutions, as well as any additional technological measures that may be implemented. And remember...

“	It may well be doubted whether human ingenuity can construct an enigma... which human ingenuity may not, by proper application, resolve.	”
—Edgar Allen Poe

ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 07:09, 15 September 2008 (BST)

And...

“	Some things are not problems to be solved, they are facts to be coped with.	”
—Anonymous

--Tselita 17:23, 20 September 2008 (BST)

Future history wipes

Would it be possible leave a few more months worth of page histories next time a wipe is done? It's making it very hard to evaluate and track deletion requests, vandal histories and the like when histories just weeks old are missing, making it especially difficult to determine who should have "ownership rights" of group pages. Loosing histories will always be a problem, but the problem can be lessened significantly if you could keep it to older edits -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:56 20 September 2008 (BST)

Or a portion of the oldest edits on a page(like the first 5 if possible).--Karek^maps?! 02:42, 22 September 2008 (BST)

And maybe a backup for the suburb danger status, using that sql code i sent you last time... heh... too bad i only found out about this wipe weeks after it occured, or i would have asked you to make the backup before the wipe. Bugger. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 03:14, 22 September 2008 (BST)

I'm wishing for headshot....

maybe for those left in monroeville should have something, like headshot, cause look at whats left... Kazypoo1 19:53, 4 October 2008 (BST)

The problem with that is to use headshot, you need to interact with zombies. A lot of the zeds left metagame, and all you'd do is draw others to your location. So yes. Bring it back. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:33, 5 October 2008 (BST)

I agree, running from zeds is getting old. I imagine they must be pretty bored as well. If not perma-death, how about headshot drops AP to zero. Otherwise we'll continue this war of attrition. Also shouldn't we get new badges? It would be cool if we had an incentive to keep playing besides making the zeds look impotent.--Babe's Ghost 01:02, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

ALiM's Birthday Party

You've been cordially invited to attend ALiM's birthday party at Club Head at 10am GMT on the 18th of October. Festivities will last for a full 24 hours. See here for more details, oh divine master.--Nallan (Talk) 02:15, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Misconduct

I figure you are already aware of whats going on Here but figured you should be formally informed. The final decision of the community has not been reached, but the general consensus will at the very least include the Bureaucrat status being removed from Grim. More may or not follow depending upon deliberations. Thank You. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 05:25, 7 October 2008 (BST)

You have provided no evidence of misconduct. This is absolutely ridiculous. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:18, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Grim pipe down, everyone knows what you think and we also happen to know what Conn thinks. I can appreciate you're pissed off but can you not write the same boring ass one line all over the place, at least i nice tl;dr wall for old times sake ;) --xoxo 11:33, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Its not a boring arse line. Its a simple fact. All accusations of abusing the status of sysop as abadge of authority to force ones wishes on the community must come with clear evidence over a substancial period of time. So far no such evidence has been presented, and all my requests that it be have been soundly ignored by all concerned. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:36, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Conveniently all such evidence was wiped by Kev yestermonth, so i guess it falls down to your word against his/theirs. --xoxo 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Evidence already posted would still be present, easily visible to all who try a basic search. In any case, as user:Revenant has said, this is a Kangaroo Court, nothing more nothing less. My defense, which is logically sound, has been ignored, except where people have cherry picked points to troll. Saddam Hussein got a fairer trial than i am. In any case, without evidence, you cannot convict. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:40, 7 October 2008 (BST)

*shrug*, shouldn't have declined my sysopship... ;) --xoxo 11:43, 7 October 2008 (BST)

You were unfit for the job, and your subsequent tantrum proved as much to even the most jaded of eyes. My job isnt to make friends, or to be popular, or to do what people want, its to do what the rules and guidelines of this wiki state is correct, and to make the best decisions for the wiki in places where the guidelines do not cover. I am the only person to have ever lived up to that responsibility. No one else has, though karek comes damned close. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:47, 7 October 2008 (BST)

oh come on, it was a joke! I thought even in your current state you should have picked it up. Feel free to slur away, hope it makes you feel better, xoxo. --xoxo 11:51, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Im sorry, but one seldom finds entertainment when one is the victim of such obvious and gross injustice where one cannot do anything about it. I apologise. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 11:54, 7 October 2008 (BST)

apology accepted, we shall see how it plays out...now, to leave kevan's talk page so he doesn't get pissed off and cancel my accounts!--xoxo 11:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Yes, this page was already on my watchlist. --Kevan 11:37, 7 October 2008 (BST)

You gonna have a vote? --xoxo 11:39, 7 October 2008 (BST)

Contrary to Conndraka's first post, this is not a community decision at all. It is in fact a decision made by a small group of sysops. I trust the subtle difference and obvious deceit on Conndraka's part is not lost on you. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:59, 7 October 2008 (BST)

There being no official method or process of notification...Here is the result. Note the community "petition" that is also currently attached to the position. There being no "Policy" in this manner, the impeachment of a sysop by the community is a nebulous proposal at best. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 06:00, 9 October 2008 (BST)

So that was you that thought that it would be a good idea to try to drive someone to vandalism as a last resort at neutrality? If it wasn't whoever added that petition should themselves be vandal escalated for misusing an administrative page to further a personal fight. Precedent matters.--Karek^maps?! 09:13, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Just for the record it was me who added the "petition" it was not intended to be used as evidence against Grim it and i thought it was pretty clear that I was asking for the communities opinion on wether Grim should face a vote. more than 1 person thought not.... apparently my intention was not clear enough and it turned into a petition while i was off-line. Should Grim have lost his Crat status? Probably... should he have lost it for the misconduct case? Absolutely not!--Honestmistake 14:15, 11 October 2008 (BST)

Bug, "zerg flag", or what?

This alt has recently tried searching for FAKs in a powered Mall with *no* success. 'Tis far more than bad luck... All other actions seem to working just fine, and I really can't see how a zerg flag could have been activated, even accidentally. Is this a bug, some unannounced change, or has a zerg flag somehow been activated? Anyone else had anything similar happen? But if it is a bug, then I'll report it normally... Thanks. --WanYao 05:09, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Unannounced change, although you shouldn't be getting zero success. If it keeps up, report it as a bug and we'll get some more data on it. --Kevan 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Can you post these things as news? not only are we in a news drought, but it'll send the mall rats scurrying to the TRPs...--xoxo 12:25, 9 October 2008 (BST)

It seems a bit cheap to announce search tweaks as fully-fledged "game updates". There are some proper updates on the way. --Kevan 12:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Perhaps, but it makes a difference. And considering it was suggested through the wiki suggestion system it'd a tip of the hat to the crowd over there (regardless of whether or not you actually saw that ;) ), i look forward to new updates :D something pro zombie perhaps? Things have quietened down in Malty as of late...btw kudos on the ruin update, she added a whole new dimension to the game.--xoxo 12:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Oh good. I thought this was just me. I have been getting reduced search rates EVERYwhere. (Hospitals, Malls, NT buildings.) Quite a few days I've spend 18~23 AP in these buildings over a period of about 10~12 minutes and have found nothing at all. Recently I've used a mall-searcher and spent 20 AP in Caiger NW and have found nothing in any store. It woulda been nice to see this as an official update. Pakopako 14:35, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Yay! Updates are ace. :D -- Cheese 17:47, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Yes, please announce it or something. I was sad to find just 2 FAKs with 20 APs in a lightened mall with bargain hunting. Its just very less. First i thougt, it was bad luck, but others said the same too. Maybe a small view, what has been changed would be nice. --Paradoxin 17:53, 9 October 2008 (BST)

My search-statistics:

Where: lightened Mall, searched in the Drugstore

Skill: Shopping+Bargain Hunting

APs: 38 / 47

Found nothing: 30 / 36

Found a FAK: 8 / 11

Rate: 21,06% / 23,4%

--Paradoxin 18:18, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Assuming there are no more break-ins at my safehouse, I'll post some data tomorrow. Linkthewindow ^Talk 04:26, 10 October 2008 (BST)

Thanks for the reply, Kevan... No, you're right, haven't had a lot of time to play lately, but I tested it further and I did finally find some FAKs... And for everyone else... I believe I know exactly why Kevan implemented this. And it pleases me, personally, very much. :) Meanwhile, this wasn't a game-mechanic change, just a search rate nerf... Thus, I think it's cool it was left for us to discover on our own, and not as an announcement... Even if I had to resort to the cheap method of asking the big guy himself... ;) Though I did suspect it might be a search rate nerf, I just didn't dare to believe :D ... Thanks, Kevan, cool change... --WanYao 07:01, 10 October 2008 (BST)

Oh... FTR limited data... but searching for guns in a mall seems the same as always... and syringe rates have been quite low for some time now... just to clear up statement made above about everything sucking... --WanYao 07:05, 10 October 2008 (BST)

You know, there's a better place than Kevan's talk page to dump this data... --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 18:17, 10 October 2008 (BST)

Coup II

I have regularly spoken to you of the abuses of adminsistrator and the flaws of the system. I have begged, and pleaded for you to become involved in fixing these problems. You have told me to do it myself. Tow/three days ago i notified you of my intent to stage a coup on this wiki and enforce a better way, at the very least as a trial run. I also informed you that you could call it off simply by telling me "no". Since you havent responded, and circumstances have cospired to make such an option impossible in the immediate future due to the very corruption that has taken root, i have been forced to go ahead earlier than i would have liked. I merely ask that you adopt a wait and see attitude towards what i am trying to do. This is my last throw of the dice. My last ditch attempt to make this a better place before i take my leave of this community forever. I apologise for the manner in which i had to bring it about however. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 10:26, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Hello Grim. I read your email as a bold request for permission to single-handedly institute "sweeping reforms" and selective sysop demotions. I didn't realise you were threatening to actually abuse bureaucrat powers and go ahead regardless, if I didn't respond quickly enough.

Yes, whenever you email me asking that I force through a change that you personally want implemented, I suggest that you take it through the proper channels - usually a policy discussion, to at least get some community feedback first. I don't see why you couldn't have done that here. --Kevan 12:17, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Coup

Could you please re-sysop all the people that Grim just demoted, please, and remove his bureaucrat status to avoid it happening again? -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:24 9 October 2008 (BST)

Already onto it. --Kevan 10:24, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Thanks -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:28 9 October 2008 (BST)

sooo....where do we go from here? --xoxo 11:31, 9 October 2008 (BST)

PUSSY TOWN!--Nallan (Talk) 11:33, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Shouldn't grim also have been demoted ? He can still do lots of damage with his sysop powers --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 13:41, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Given the "effective immediately i am seizing executive power" tone of his bureaucrat abuse, and the fact that he claims to have left the wiki permanently, temporarily revoking his sysop powers seems fair enough, if only as a security issue. I'll reverse it should the new misconduct case decide in his favour. --Kevan 14:34, 9 October 2008 (BST)

Hm... I think I may create a new subpage on my userspace containing as much of this stuff as I can. It will be interesting to read through and spot the points at which Grim became more and more frantic. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 14:27, 9 October 2008 (BST)

First Katthew, now grim. There is no place for common sense is there? Maybe i'm not in possession of all the facts; all I see is one frustrated person finally snapping, after years spent as one of the very few sysops to actually work to make this a better place - rather than feather his own nest. The wiki has finally moved from being a source of information to some kind of passive-aggressive, UD version of Facebook. I'd rather have one person capable of making a mature decisions, unafraid to step on a few toes and deflate a few egos, than a gaggle of preening children. Disappointing. --Keith Drudgely 17:58, 12 October 2008 (BST)

Grim was anything but "mature". Just saying. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 20:56, 12 October 2008 (BST)

you should talk, cyberbob... actually, i do think grim was someone who worked hard for the wiki... and he'd dealt with idiocy for so long, he did snap... however, if only he'd handled things better over the long haul... le sigh... for what it's worth, the drama has pretty much caused me to quit the game, too... pathetic how seriously some people (myself included) take all this sometimes... and interesting how easy it is to walk away when the bad taste gets to be too much, and how little you miss UD when you do... --WanYao 10:36, 13 October 2008 (BST)

Biiig difference between being immature by choice and being immature by impulse, Wan. Also, WTF is with you and ellipses? --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 11:18, 13 October 2008 (BST)

~2 years till the next sysop snaps. I can understand where Grim was coming from though. It's very frustrating when people constantly attack you for no perceived reason, and eventually you *have* to snap, no one can sustain continued harassment. Grims misconduct case showed this, sysops calling for Grims demotion over something so minor was ridiculous. Unfortunately once a group of users has decided to attack you there's nowhere safe on the wiki, and eventually you are forced to leave until things cool off, which can be a long while, and difficult to do if you are a regular. - Jedaz - 11:35/13/10/2008

OR you could simply cease the unneccessary causticness that brought on all that ire and start acting with some degree of restraint rather than taking the easy route and trying to lay the blame on others. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 11:52, 13 October 2008 (BST)

Cyberbob's right, just because you weren't a victim of Grim's monster rampage doesn't mean it didn't happen. You should try to understand Jedaz, people didn't just rise against Grim for fun. We aren't idiots. If we were mindless idiots we would be playing Halo 3 and NFL 2009 instead of UD. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 11:58, 13 October 2008 (BST)

It's called Madden you culturally ignorant fuck. Nah you're allllright. --xoxo 12:02, 13 October 2008 (BST)

How dare you be here and not on IRC. You left me alone with those barbarians. >=[ D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 12:13, 13 October 2008 (BST)

sorry sorry! I was spose to go to bed 21 minutes ago...hows a week tonight for you? --xoxo 12:19, 13 October 2008 (BST)

@Cyberbob - What kind of restraint are you talking about? Restraint of language? I don't see anyone else restraining themselves. Restraint of Sysop powers? Well there wern't any successful misconduct cases about misuse. If you are talking about restraining yourself once you've snapped then you must be laughing. Don't get me wrong, Grims attitude didn't help the situation, but people making a mountain out of a molehill doesn't going to help either.

@DDR - What has Grim done since June to have this "uprising" occur? Personally I didn't see Grim do anything outside of his regular behaviour (ignoring this most recent case), and the community has known about his behaviour for a long time and still elected him! Would the community still have rised up if this didn't occur? If not then it's just an angry mob and it would have cooled down eventually, where as an uprising would still have occured.

Anyway, if either of you wish to continue this conversation I'ld suggest we move this to my talk page rather then clog up Kevans. - Jedaz - 00:34/14/10/2008

My point, Jedaz, was that if Grim was at all socially intelligent he would have realised that people weren't going to take his shit forever. If he wanted to prevent an explosion of the sort we saw he should've taken steps to improve his self-control. Blaming his completely unreasonable hissy fit (ZOMG IM GONNA LOSE MAI CRAT STATUS ALL MUST DIE) on the completely understandable reactions of everyone else is ridiculous. You need to take off the "I got yo back brotha!" goggles (you think I don't remember the circumstances of your demotion?) and take a step back to look at things realistically. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 06:37, 14 October 2008 (BST)

I supose you have a point. But I don't think you fully understand the reason I chose to be demoted (if you did then you wouldn't have brought it up). My point is if you don't have the support of the team you are working in then of course you are going to find it tough and eventually you are either going to quit or break. Nobody seems to care that it can actually get to this point. - Jedaz - 02:20/16/10/2008

Cyberbob's right. Do you actually have a personal history with Grimsky? He has been planning this entire explosion for a very long time. He probably stretched out the time of the case so it could build up to a bigger explosion. He deliberately did this for his own ego. And yet you don't think he was unfit to be at the position he was at? Why argue with us more? Ask the entire community which demanded what we demand right now. I don't want to disrupt Kevan (I know your reading hun =]) So I'll stop here, no need to pursue justification. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:40, 14 October 2008 (BST)

it was very calculated, there was a reason he chased away the other competent sysops, and crats, and meatpuppeted his crat "election". He was planning this "coup" for a while and was no lapse in judgement.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 22:30, 14 October 2008 (BST)

I miss all of the good stuff. I believe what Anime is referring to is discussed here, with a now dead reference to the original conversation here. You know, where he admits to hounding sysops such as Vista and Hagnat to get them to quit their positions. Coincidentally, after he got Hagnat to quit, he got elected as a Bureaucrat. No, obviously no long term plan in place.

Grim_s said:

Making a new sysop subclass wont solve this problem, all it will do is bloat the numbers of idiot sysops, which i have spent the last 18 months whittling away at.

Whoops. I guess it was a long term plan to get into power after all, huh? --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 22:52, 14 October 2008 (BST)

No way to prove this but on IRC Grim would often criticize my "hissy fits" of pissing people off for lulz and then brag about how he could do it better. I think AS remembers it, he often hung out in #udwiki. My point, he planned this. That wasn't impulse. Impulse is "DELETE FUCKING EVERYTHING!!!" --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 23:07, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Maybe they are talking about on a geological timetable. Or perhaps some people need to read more. I do find it amusing that this template, which was meant as a joke, is closer to the truth than people like to believe. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 23:29, 14 October 2008 (BST)

He made these notes on attempting to scrap the system back in July, which included the idea that my veto power was a "problem" and should be revoked. --Kevan 23:51, 14 October 2008 (BST)

That's kind of why I am confused how what Amazing did was worse than this. There is a huge history of edits of Grim chasing users off of the wiki in order to attain the power he craved (by his own admission), then kicks off the rest of the sysop team to implement his changes when he is threatened, yet he doesn't receive the same punishment. --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 00:15, 15 October 2008 (BST)

You're confusing yourself, because the Amazing and Grim situations are totally different. Amazing wasn't a sysop when he earned his permban through the established VB escalation system, and it was also a long, long time ago. Most of the sysops ruling on Grims case had nothing to do with the wikigate farce. Careful what you wish for, Akule, Witch Burners arn't that picky, as you well know -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:35 15 October 2008 (BST)

Oh, okay, so talking with Kevan about how Grim probably should have been permabanned for chasing away several good sysops, plotting to remove Kevan's veto power, and overthrowing the other sysops results with veiled threats of forcing me off the wiki from you. Gotcha. So, when are you going to "waah" Kevan like you did Hagnat and the others? --Akule ^{Maker of fine, hand-crafted UDWiki sass since 2006 -- Akule School's back in session™} 22:17, 15 October 2008 (BST)

I'm not threatening to force you off the wiki, Akule. I'm trying to point out that if witch burners always got their way, Grim would be out, but so would you, long ago due to copyright-gate. And why the hell would I Wah Keven, you clown... you're the one doing the waaaaahing -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)

It's cos deep down (very deep, in some cases) we've all got a soft spot for ol' grimchy.--xoxo 07:12, 15 October 2008 (BST)

And the winner of the Speak For Yourself award goes to.... --THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 08:53, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Ooo! ooo! I'm a shoo in for this one! Pick me! Pick me! --xoxo 08:58, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Umm...Boxy? How is what Grim did similar to the Witch Burners? Our goal is to remove those who create mass amounts of drama on the wiki through vandalism, arby's, and other crap. We are the vigilantes that work where the sysops can't. Grim would have been a target of ours if we weren't so afraid of him banning us after labeling him a target. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 22:25, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Well, I was referring to the way Grim has become a targeted witch, actually, but he did use similar tactics, now you mention it -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 12:26 16 October 2008 (BST)

The problem Grim saw with Kevan's veto power was that Kevan's refusal to participate in the wiki and the absence of the threat of the use of that power was in and of itself damaging to the wiki and led to a lot of the crap that annoys all of us. It wasn't that Kevan had veto power but that Kevan wasn't willing to give that power any weight. You'd probably know that if you ever spoke to Grim outside of arguments.--Karek^maps?! 04:24, 16 October 2008 (BST)

I did. Usually it was go back to an argument, mostly over stupid shit. Mentioning you like Star Wars would result in a vicious attack on why TIE Fighters can't make noise in space. I for one don't give a shit. Grim loved to create trouble over stupid shit. --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 18:23, 16 October 2008 (BST)

That wasn't directed at you Sonny.--Karek^maps?! 02:54, 17 October 2008 (BST)

BUT GODDSDAMMIT TIE FIGHTERS CAN'T MAKE A NOISE IN SPACE!!!!!!--Honestmistake 18:28, 16 October 2008 (BST)

fcuk u tehy can 2!!1!!!1one! --Sonny Corleone ^{DORIS MSD pr0n} 18:30, 16 October 2008 (BST)

obviously the whole star war universe takes place in a particle rich nebula that allows for both the transmission of sound and the really spectacular explosions...DUH! Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 02:07, 17 October 2008 (BST)

Well at least we don't have Real Gamer ruling the wiki.Grim did make a joke about a coup earlier in 2008 around the time the the dead did their rampage I believe.And by the way, according to the History Channel,if you were in space,the Death Star firing and destroying a planet is as less loud than you clicking your computer's mouse.--Gamestriker4 21:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Coup Misconduct Resolution

Resolution of the Misconduct case due to the coup, Just an FYI for official notification. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 16:27, 12 October 2008 (BST)

HP?

Just stood up after a revive... Found myself at 20 instead of 30. another one of these unannounced changes? Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 21:07, 12 October 2008 (BST)

That would be a bug. Report it if it happens again. --Kevan 20:24, 14 October 2008 (BST)

I like the NT scan tweak. Very classy. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:22, 14 October 2008 (BST)

Grammar

You try to add some corrugated iron to the barricade, but can't find a place for them.

"Them" should be "it", or "corrugated iron" should be plural, so maybe "corrugated iron rods".

Hope this is in the right place, and I know you probably don't care that much about small gramatical errors but someone needs to point them out!

Feel free to downsize the image..I would but I need to run! LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 12:24, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Grammatical Errors in Urban Dead. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 12:34, 15 October 2008 (BST)

Update

I don't do this much and am actually on the side of criticizing updates as too much for false problems but this recent update has been something that has been long in the waiting. Thank You, this might actually get me playing my characters again.--Karek^maps?! 04:37, 16 October 2008 (BST)

I'll go along with that. Admittedly I'm far more easily-pleased than Karek and never stopped actively playing, but still, thanks for a great update. --Papa Moloch 02:27, 17 October 2008 (BST).

Privacy Policy

Hi kevan, is there any chance of a Privacy Policy being written up regarding players IP's and emails. --Kooks 18:58, 17 October 2008 (BST)

UDWiki:Privacy policy has been in the footer for a couple of years now. --Kevan 23:13, 17 October 2008 (BST)

Sorry I did not make it clear, I meant in regards to the game, not the wiki.--Kooks 10:39, 18 October 2008 (BST)

Streetwalkin' cheetah with a heartful of napalm

A ruffian headbutted me for 1 damage today, as a human. Is this a new addition or am I slow? I basically came here to ask, Kevan, how does one headbutt? Is it a random occurance that may happen instead of excecuting the punch command? Just curious. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 11:22, 18 October 2008 (BST)

Heh. That would have been me, non? Headbutt works via ?actions, i simply installed a greasemonkey script that allows me to perform said action in harman form without using the ?action. Sometimes young ddr, the only way to fight fire is well, with fire ;) . --xoxo 12:50, 18 October 2008 (BST)

That would be biting with a mask while alive I assume. 'cause you can bite while alive but, for 1 damage.--Karek^maps?! 13:49, 18 October 2008 (BST)

Sounds like the shooting while a zombie cheat to me. That hasn't been fixed yet, has it? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 14:27 18 October 2008 (BST)

That was fixed just before April 1 this year, I remember because Red Rums April Fools plans were ruined.--Kooks 17:06, 18 October 2008 (BST)

The only reason the shooting cheat got fixed was because enough people decided to whine about such a minor thing. No one really cares about this one and it's been known for a long long time. That being said the damage is reduced when trying to perform zombie actions while living, it's always punch damage and I think punch rates too.--Karek^maps?! 17:58, 18 October 2008 (BST)

Nah no mask, just 1 damage.--xoxo 23:55, 18 October 2008 (BST)

I wish to lay claim to be the first person to be headbutted for 1 damage by a harman. Then I'll be positively famous. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 00:52, 19 October 2008 (BST)

You aren't. Unfortunately i'm not original, i got the script that allows me to do this off viktor, first person i know of who got headbutted was Fiffy i think, check with Anime, he'll know! --xoxo 01:06, 19 October 2008 (BST)

Take it to Talk:Actions via "question marks", thanks kids... no need to bother Kevan with this. Basically all these attacks work as a punch with different flavour: they're all 25% to hit, 1 damage. And you're very late to the party, I know I and others have been doing this for 6 months or more. Pretty much from around the time ActOnProfile came out. ;) ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 03:34, 19 October 2008 (BST)

And unlike shooting while a zombie...the damage able to be inflicted by this is minimal. I've been bitten by a harman before. It was hilarious. ;) --Jen 04:15, 19 October 2008 (BST)

Aha! That sneaky gorilla's secret is revealed! At last the world makes sense again. --William Told 05:09, 19 October 2008 (BST)

/topic. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 06:31, 19 October 2008 (BST)

so wait... new map? whats for monroeville?

2 questions....headshot on this map or?

and monroeville is at 260 poeple so im kinda wondering if theres anything left for it....

Kazypoo1 10:22, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

First question, the first one to level 10'll find out. Question 2, get over it, there's been nothing there for ages...new city thyme :D --xoxo 10:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Kazypoo1, Monroeville did die quite a while ago, in case you didn't notice... I thought it said 'permanent zombification' somewhere, and it only lasts a month, so I'm assuming its perma headshot. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

No, headshot doesn't mean permadeath in Borehamwood. --Kevan 10:35, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello Kevan, quick question: The stats page currently displays the Monroeville numbers as (1023 standing survivors, 707 standing zombies, 43896 accounts created). I take it this is Borehamwood numbers mixing with the old of Monroeville. So will we get separate stats for Borehamwood? - User:Whitehouse 14:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

So. That's basically 950 survivors against 200 zombies at the moment? Still I liked getting the rage. It was fun. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 14:46, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Good point. Fixed. --Kevan 22:45, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

With the new locations such as railway line(s) and petrol station(s), what do they bring to the game? Is their any new weapons/items? --Alcatraz311 15:00, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Was this why the server went down last night by any chance? =P -- Cheese 22:30, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Publicity of Big Brother house location

Greetings. I, amongst others, would like to know your opinion on publicity of the Big Brother house location on the wiki. Should it stay hidden or be revealed? --~~~~ [talk] 13:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Unless Kevan comes out and says otherwise, this is no different than any other location in the game. Removing it is in no way different to a group of trenchies removing Giddings Mall from the map in case MOB comes to visit. Information is free. Censorship is bad.

This wiki is a game resource, not a vehicle for censorship so that certain players can increase their chances of winning a DVD.

Also this information has already been disseminated to public UD forums and is available through public iwitnesses. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:41, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Had this talk with the Big Man before, and he said he has no problem with it. Actually, he imagined its coordinates would have been posted in a matter of hours on the wiki, and also broadcasted through radio and stuff like that. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^talk 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

It's up to players how much information they share or conceal; I don't mind either way, in this case. --Kevan 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Wow... as if we don't get enough of the BB franchise on the idiot box, now we get huge BB eye's looking at us as we attack a mall in Malton? -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 13:59 2 November 2008 (BST)

They'd only be there because someone chose to spraypaint them, but the graphic shouldn't have been showing up outside Borehamwood. This is now fixed. --Kevan 17:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. I have a particular hatred of the bastardisation of the original "big brother" concept that involves housemates -- boxy ^{talk • teh rulz} 10:56 3 November 2008 (BST)

Questions about your character

I assume this UD ID is yours, correct, UD ID-11? Well, I'd like to welcome you to West Grayside, though I don't appreciate the eating of so many brains. Also, I don't appreciate the Ninja Zombie status you seem to give yourself. we all know the military covers up things, but covering up their own skills? I scanned your zombie, listed as pre-death class Military, but you lack any military skills! So is just a sick joke, or is it a bug? Picture of scan here:

http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=classyw6.png

Thanks for checking.--Kolechovski 21:11, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Damn, that's a pretty smart catch! Bub is pretty famous among organized zombie players, and most folks know him for not having any human skills, but I never knew he was a "military class" character, as I've never seen the "living" version of his profile.
I doubt its a bug; G. Romeroe's "Bub" character was military.  Swiers 22:13, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

How did he get Military without any skills? .......... Oh wait.... Mad haxors skill... :P --Haliman - Talk 22:20, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Bweing god of Urban dead helped as well; being able to defy the laws of logic and the 4rth dimension and whatnot. Wait whats his human account?--Jakezing 03:53, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Mediawiki Update

Hi, just wondering if there any chance of getting wiki software updated? The latest version is v1.13 and there are several useful new features, including:

• Expiry dates on page protections
• Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)
• Ability to merge page histories
• AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)

It's not urgent or anything, but it would be nice if you could put it on your busy to-do list :D.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 14:19, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

That sounds pretty cool. =) Can we get it for Christmas? Means you'd only have to get us one present between us this year, saving you quite a lot of money. =p -- Cheese 18:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Image undeletion is enabled by default as well-useful for when sysops accidentally delete a useful image Linkthewindow  Talk  07:31, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Black Holes of Borehamwood

Evening. There's a couple of squares in Borehamwood that are seemingly unscoutable. Namely deep river sections. Can you confirm there's nothing mysterious and shiny hiding in the depths, islands and the like? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:22, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I'd just like to also say thank you for the charcoal briquettes barricade message. Brought a smile to my face.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:19, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Amazing

I'v always owndered for these 2 years; what in the hell DID amazing do anyways? What grim did is easy to see because of the publicity and recentism of it but what EXACTLY did amazing do?--Jakezing 04:36, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

Amount of characters in a broadcast

I was wondering, Since I started the Galaxy News Radio i've found that the very small amount of characters you can use is at best, a thorn in my side, couldn't it be possible to make the transmission amount of characters the same as for speaking, it makes perfect sense really --Three Dog 21:35, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

If you want to make a suggestion for an in game feature, take it by Developing Suggestions and get some constructive criticism before putting it up for voting. Although as far as i'm aware the character cap exists to limit spamming of radio channels.--xoxo 05:49, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually it's probably more of a necessary thing like the 50 people limit in normal speak is. Radio can't share that limiter because that would eliminate it's whole purpose so the only other ways to limit it is to put an upper end on how much you can say per day per channel.--Karek^maps?! 06:21, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

It's a possibility, but since character limits (as far as i'm aware) predates the need for limiting talking to 50 it seems odd.--xoxo 06:37, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Okie i'll take this to the development pages, thanks for the feed back though guys —The preceding unsigned comment was added by An unlucky guy (talk • contribs) 11:00, November 23, 2008.

Dead Set Competition

Can I assume that the prizes and all went off without a hitch so I can update the competition as a Past event? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Yes, the winners have been selected and contacted, and talking to the cameras in the diary room no longer has any effect. --Kevan 11:18, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Trade?

Sorry to bother you but I was wondering why survivors can't trade. This could lead to more eaisly avalible equipment, I think there would be a limit thou. Generators couldn't be traded etc. I think that it might help the humans in a bunch of Unbalanced claims. Players could not trade to same Ip address characters would stop cheating and it could lead to characters traveling round Malton selling there wares which would be fun to see. My regards it's a great game and I've got a bunch of my freinds playing now too. Thanks from me and them User:Athur birling

Heya. If you want to make a suggestion for an addition to the game you should go here. In the meantime check out this which explains why trading is generally seen as a bad idea. Anyway, welcome to the totally awesome UD wiki!--xoxo 00:50, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

The FAQ does hint at trading, but he also says it will take lots of thought. I imagine the coding would be nightmarish too. Linkthewindow  Talk  06:17, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

you know what link? you're alllllllllllllllllright.--xoxo 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Athur birling (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Making a list? Checking it Twice?

We getting a chrimbo update? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Snow?

Are you hiding it under your cap? Or NO SNOW FOR MALTON WINTER 08'? I miss mah flakie friends! --Jelly Otter 21:19, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Al Gore was right. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

I'd like to put in another vote for snow! I missed the fog this year at Halloween and the snow really added some nice flavour in my opinion. --Queen Mum 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Need moar snow. --Haliman - Talk 04:08, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

what, no more newspapers?

they don't seem to be showing up in hospitals anymore. got rid of them, eh? any chance of them coming back, i love smacking people with 'em! :) --WanYao 03:14, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

They should be somewhere else maybe? It was annoying with them in hospies. Luckily all ma guys have them already :) --xoxo 04:06, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Still plenty of places to find newspapers, guys. lrn2wiki. :P ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 23:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

No, there are no more newspapers in Hospitals. I search them often, and not in ages have I found a newspaper therein. Update that wiki page? --WanYao 10:44, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Same here. Seems safe to update. Linkthewindow  Talk  11:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

I can't smash Xmas lights???

Those darned Whos! I hate them!! But seriously, the option to smash christmas lights in a ruined building is not available. This is blatant discrimination against zombie scrooges. I protest! --WanYao 13:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

My apologies. I figured it out. :) --WanYao 13:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Hi

Hi, I'm a big fan. I finally found your talk page and I have a question, can you reinstall headshots in Monroeville as the humans think they can take down us zeds........--Jerrel Yokotory 23:25, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Leaving nice messages for Kevan is fine, however we have a system for suggesting improvements. Please go to Developing Suggestions and suggest it there. --Kooks 19:31, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Character Deleted

I wanted to make sure that this |bug was fixed but it appears that it is not fixed. If you are on the edge of Malton and go to http:urbandead.com/map.cgi?v=100-99 it will mess up your character. I did this with my charachter Yark and now whenever I log in I can't perform any actions with him, and it seems his skills have been deleted: http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=815674 --Kooks 20:06, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

No! Yark! =( -- Cheese 20:42, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Just replicated it by going from 0,99 to 0,100 in New Arkham with a random throwaway I just made: Testy McTesterson. -- Cheese 20:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

I hate to say it, I killed mister password. After more poking, I have observed even more; Couple of AP and permadeath, I'm the first to go from Spicer Hills to Dakerstown instantly. I'll work out more details when my IP hits refresh, as I just used a proxy that I didn't much like. _■^■ 01:42, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

:'( --xoxo 04:38, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

password will live on. (and probably be revivificated) Also, what about 100-100? _■^■ 05:56, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

We're alive!! =D We're level 0 and we've got a zombie chewing on us, but we're alive!! -- Cheese 15:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Fixed. I've dropped Yark into a random, secure building, and given the character 1000XP to get up and running again. --Kevan 15:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The bug? Or Yark? password and Testy are level 0.. The bug was interesting, odd behaviour, but it would be nice if after a server reset you could be free to move again. _■^■ 18:21, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

The bug. --Kevan 18:32, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Project Namespace

we have few projects, yet i was wondering if it wouldn't be interesting to have them in their own namespace. Thus projects like The Great Mall Project and ALiM would be located in Project:The Great Mall Project and Project:ALiM. --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 11:00, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure if there's a way around it, but "Project" is a builtin alias for whatever the name of the wiki is (here it's "UDWiki"). e.g. Project:Administration is the same as UDWiki:Administration. --Midianian^|T|DS|C:RCS| 15:11, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Darn, forgot about that. Maybe in the plural then, Projects:The Great Mall Project --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 15:40, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

That would just be confusing.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 00:49, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Just Plain Vanity

Any chance of a Dermot O'Leary was still alive and active one month into the Borehamwood quarantine. ? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 21:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

about the admin team

how do you feel about the current sysop team of the wiki ? do you have any problems with how we run things ? --People's Commissar Hagnat ^{talk mod} 11:52, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

does he give a fuck? recent history would suggest probably not. Stop fishing for compliments hagnat. --xoxo 13:12, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

okay that came out a little harsh, but i don't see why you want to bring kevan into this other than for your own gratification. --xoxo 13:13, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Hedging much? --Cyberbob 13:30, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

It's pretty easy to predict what he's going to say. Why would he complain? You can't have nothing to do with your own games wiki then rock up and say 'i hate the way you people run it' and then disappear again. Unless he wants to get involved in the wiki again kevan can't say he has a problem with the way they run it. Although I'd be more than happy to be proven wrong. --xoxo 01:32, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Easier than that, last time someone asked him to weigh in on promotions his response was that he basically didn't want his opinion brought into the matter. So No Comment is probably the best bet.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 01:57, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Me? I'm just the guy who provides the hosting, here - I'll step in if there are server issues, or if a rogue bureaucrat locks the wiki down, but everything else is up to the community. If I wanted to have a say in wiki policy, or who should and shouldn't be a sysop, I'd already be doing that. --Kevan 15:39, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

J3D 1, haggy, zerrro. --xoxo 01:43, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, he gives a fuck about how the community is run. He just won't say how much or what he gives a fuck about. :D -- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 02:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

I think Hagnat's concerned for his sysop status. I would be too if I was a trusted user that was acting against the wishes of the community. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Stop right there Iscariot! I am sick and tired of you constantly saying that every sysop on the team is going agaisnt the wishes of the community! Most of the community never has a problem with the current admin team, and when they do it's rarely a huge problem. Now you come on Kevan's page and still continue the bad mouthing. Just face it, no matter what you will never be pleased with the administration and so you will constantly have to pretend that the whole community is on your side so that you will feel right in your head.--SirArgo ^Talk 01:45, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

How many people are there playing the game? How many are on this wiki? Yes, some people don't have time to spend on anything other than playing the game, but how many people are putting hours a day into the meta game and still won't touch this wiki without an exceptional reason? And how many of those people have told you that the current administration team is one of the primary reasons? My total will beat yours. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:52, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The wiki is an information source. Almost everything is explained in game when you encounter it (1st death, 1st Rez. etc.) So, not every one needs to touch the wiki or even use it as a resource.

The wiki is the worst place to organize and meta-game. Just ask DHPD. When we were just Project:T.I.M.E. (well, before the Dead/DoDH) we were seriously outnumbered by them, but because they had all of their profiles linked on here and updated where they were going to be and who they were working with and so on we knew enough about them to take them out. The wiki shouldn't be for the meta-game it should be for information. That's why most groups of note have an off site forum to metagame. You can't blame the current staff because people have figured out that giving away too much information on their groups is bad thing.--– Nubis ^NWO 14:40, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

That has so little to do with what iscariot said.--xoxo 23:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Get it off Kevan's page. He doesn't need to be bothered with a dispute between users. Have it out on each others talk pages, or even mine, just don't start bringing it here. Okay?-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:50, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I know, I'm sorry. I just wanted to counter Iscariot's comment because I know exactly what he's trying to accomplish by posting that. I, unlike Iscariot, am done here now.--SirArgo ^Talk 01:54, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Much as I hate the way Iscariot is going about his crusade I have to say he does have a point. The sysop team probably does not represent the view of even a large minority of players and that explains why so few players contribute. Not that i think its all the Admin teams fault, but the rules they follow and enforce reflect a community that no longer exist. Most sysops were promoted long before most current players even heard of the game yet the tag "trusted user" is still attached to the title "SYSOP". Few current wiki users vouched for them and fewer still of the actual player base and yet they still cling to positions claiming that "popular" votes undermine the system! They are right that popularity does not mean competence but... Franky i find it a bit odd that sysops can claim the label "trusted user" and not be willing to allow the community to confirm that label. Look back to Conn's promotion bid, or Boxy's or Hagnats or even Kareks and even without checking i can say with confidence that at least half those that vouched are no longer active.... Now i personally Would vouch for them all but my point is that they were not voted in by the current community and the claims that they are trusted users wear very thin in light of the fact that they do not seem willing to trust the communities opinion on pretty much any issue!--Honestmistake 02:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

The sysop team doesn't have to represent the view of a large majority of players, it only has to represent the view of the wiki community. Whenever I play a browser game I don't always sign up to their forums/wiki/whatever they have. A large portion of users probably won't bother contributing to the wiki because so many other users already are. If I was to ask you, "what needs contributing to on the wiki?", I'm sure you probably won't have many answers. The only things of note are suggestions and suburb reports, and not everybody is interested in that (and the drama which comes with each of them). - Jedaz - 02:26/16/01/2009

I have a few, if you want a list feel free to pester me some time.--Judge Karke, self-proclaimed Decider of Everything and Ruler of All 02:29, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I agree that the only bits of the wiki that interest most players are the Maps, suggestions and suburb reports (I include maps because i assumed you had forgotten them?) that said i do think that the system is set up to support the views of long time players (contributors) rather than the new players who are actually the lifeblood of the game. While obviously the wiki needs to pay some attention to long time editors like me,wan,cyberbob,ahlg,etc... i would think it would be far more important to promote the wiki to new uers. I still play (and i hope/assume that those named do too) and i would hope that everyone on the admin team does to but it has to be said that without change the game becomes dull and people leave. If the wiki and its admin team does not reflect the changing demographic of the game it is missing what is surely a fundemental point for its existence?--Honestmistake 02:40, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

I remembered the maps, but I did not include them because there is very little to nothing which a new user can contribute to (which is what I'm focusing on). I agree, we should encourage new users to join and contribute, however most of the other work is maintence which doesn't exactly draw the crowd. If you have an idea which would encourage new productive users to sign up then I'ld like to hear it. I'ld be more then happy to help flesh out any ideas you may have. - Jedaz - 02:50/16/01/2009

I think my wiki Urban Dead game could draw in some people to play. They could even make their own once I finish the template. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 03:41, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed group

Hi Kevan. Just want to ask a quick question. We've had a couple of policies about setting up an autoconfirmed group recently and I thought it might be a good idea to check in with you about it. Depending on the result of this policy would you been willing to implement an autoconfirmed group on the wiki as a trial to see how we get on with it? -- Cheese 14:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

No problem. --Kevan 15:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. =) -- Cheese 16:02, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Quick Questions

Sorry to take up your time, but I'm just wandering what you think of the games on the Related Games page. (ie, Nexus War, Shartak, Outbreak, etc). Also on Shartak, Leaky Blocks (It's creator) said that you encouraged Shartak's developement and that you play shartak. Is that true?--Gamestriker4 15:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Shartak's the only spinoff I've played, and yes, Simon/Leaky is an old friend of mine. --Kevan 17:36, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Why no chainsaws

content moved to Jakezing talk page

Updating the Wiki software, 2.0

The wiki software, as it stands, is two years old (ish, in the coming month.) As well as the obvious bugfixes and minor changes that can't be gone into detail here, 1.13.3 of MediaWiki has some useful new features that we could use:

• Expiry dates on page protections
• Finer control over permissions and permission assignment (e.g. Assigning the ability to remove only certain groups)
• Ability to merge page histories
• AJAX-based page watching and a bunch of usability improvements (User information when viewing a deleted revision, predefined deletion reasons, useful links in various places, etc.)
• Image undeletion enabled by default
• A prettier list of special pages (compare to Wikipedia's)

There are heaps of other changes-you can look at the release notes linked here. I know that updating the server will take some time, but it would be nice if you could add it to your busy schedule.

_{I stole some of that list from The General above}

-- Linkthewindow  Talk  07:15, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Would this increase information between the server and peers= server load increase? Liberty 12:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:30, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I can't see how it would, but I can't say for sure. Linkthewindow  Talk  00:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

It's on the to-do list. --Kevan 16:31, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Awesome, thanks.--Suicidal Angel - Help needed? 16:32, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Kevan. Linkthewindow  Talk  00:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

What's your view on adding extensions to the wiki? I'm not talking anything specific here, just in general. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:48, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Xmas

Xmas is over, and there are clearly no more Xmas decorations or trees, but the update message was not changed, and there is still the option to hold onto Xmas decorations if found. Perhaps removing that option (and next year posting when Xmas is over) would be helpful? Thanks.--Kolechovski 13:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Don't take away my Christmas trees... --Pestolence^(talk) 21:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Christmas trees have been a vehicle for meta-challenges and games when they do pop up. It's fun flavor even in the middle of the year. --Karek^maps?! 01:26, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

The Christmas Tree Dead Pool and the Christmas Tree Dead Pool II are a couple examples. --Pestolence^(talk) 03:32, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

In sounds like you guys think I am requesting trees be removed altogether. I am not. I mean, the announcement still exists on the main page about the trees and light being available, even though they no longer are, so I am suggesting cycling the announcement to something "current".--Kolechovski 22:09, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Snow

Perhaps I have missed something, but did the livestock and industry prevent snowfall last winter? _■^■ 22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Misconduct Case Feb 2009

A user has brought a case over on the Administration: Misconduct page that indicts every member of the administration team except your personal account and the Urban Dead admin account also controlled by yourself. Due to the obvious problems with ruling on cases in which you are also a named party, none of the current administration team may rule on the case (that is if they conform to the community's policies). Would it be possible for you to quickly look over the case and either rule misconduct or not misconduct to prevent unnecessary fall out? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Pretty sure Kevan isn't going to buy into this shit fyi --Cyberbob 18:06, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I think you're mistaking me for Read. Fact is, that case is going to sit there for a couple of weeks whilst you and he debate the finer points of whatever it is you discuss. If an involved sysop (as they all are) removes it then we're asking for drama. Kevan can spend five minutes and solve the whole thing for the community, even if he just states that he declines to get involved and rule, which will obviously mean that the sysops cannot be found guilty of misconduct and this will allow the case to be archived. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I may have to agree with Iscariot here. Getting Kevan to say something, anything, will be the only way to end the case without pissing off Read and causing him to file another misconduct case to whomever is the sysop responsible for breaking procedure and then causing a huge wave of drama, and we all know he's chomping at the bit for something truly substantial to hit the administration with.--SirArgo ^Talk 18:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

The amount of drama someone causes is only as much as everyone else allows them to (I wasn't mistaking you for Read btw Iscariot; I wasn't intending to implicate you whatsoever). If nobody feeds the troll he will eventually starve to death. --Cyberbob 18:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

My opinions on Read, yourself, the sysop team and Santa Claus aren't involved here. The simple fact that allowing the precedent of an involved party to remove a case shouldn't be something we're striving for. Personally I'd rather have Kevan rule, and I think we all know which way. However provided that Kevan publicly responds in some way, even if that response is "I'm not ruling, I don't get involved", then we have a way to remove the case validly. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:40, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

kk --Cyberbob 18:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Read was irrelevant, he wouldn't have continued it and Iscariot has no intentions here but to try and cause said drama. It's what he always does, jumping on something someone else made and perverting it for his own attempts at causing needless drama and faux rebellion to stroke his ego that the sysops who punish him for his actions aren't trusted by the community. The validity of the case was never relevant to his trying to stir shit, neither was the legitimacy of any action a sysop could take in response to it, to him it's all gonna be called abuse. --Karek^maps?! 04:14, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Not seeing any reason to get involved here; either the misconduct system is poorly worded, or it's being misinterpreted. You shouldn't be able to accuse all but one sysop of misconduct, and allow that one sysop to judge the rest. --Kevan 23:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

yase, justice have prevailed --Cyberbob 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible Massive Zerging in Dunell Hills

About three days ago a large number of new characters all called "TheDeadDie" (i.e., TheDeadDie1 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467702, TheDeadDie15 http://urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1467737, etc.) started appearing in Dunell Hills. The first the DHPD heard of it was this iWitness report.

http://iwrecords.urbandead.info/02-10-09_2000hrs_PUBLIC/IN_5-36_zergertown_a5d-400-1db.html

There are now, apparently, over 100 of these characters.

Obviously there is an outside possibility this is a large group of new players but, on the whole, it looks like zerging on a massive scale.

The DHPD are currently trying to find out more about the situation and deal with it. We thought we should give you a heads up, however, in case there was something obvious in the server logs that would provide definitive proof of zerging and allow swift action to be taken at your end. We understand that you normally prefer to keep out of zerging cases, but this looks pretty outrageous to us and we thought you should, at least, know about it. Louise 11:39, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Aye, HKL ran into this bunch as well and were pretty put-off. Another iWitness with even more of them crowded in. Profile search for TheDeadDie* shows 102 of them at the moment. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

zergs like that are usually a flash in the pan. 10 bucks says they all idle out before level 3--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 15:56, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Possible big ass Zerg in Yagoton

Ok: We have ALOT of Fing lvl 1 free runnerfs hiding in St. Swithuns (which i am guessing you know is a revive point), its caded thanks to the idiots trying ot take over: and I'm guessing this mass colection of lvl 1 free runners (they all have free running only) are bots? They all joined around the exact same time as well.

• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471315
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471341
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471355
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471480
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471498
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471519
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=163604
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471501
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471488
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471358
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471347.
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471324
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471331
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471350
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471366
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471492
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471504
• http://www.urbandead.com/profile.cgi?id=1471367

Those are the links, srry bout stretching but i forget which one tabs it into a Number.

Heres a picture of them all in one area. http://i43.tinypic.com/2lwr7k1.jpg

Srry bout the mess this is making on the talk.--Jakezing 01:52, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Take the list to resensitized, that's about all that you can do. --Johnny Bass 05:24, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

One question about that picture. Where'd you get a version of UDToolbar that works with the latest version of Firefox? --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 08:43, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I just downloaded one? What's different about it? Also theres even more zergs now.--Jakezing 13:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Jake, unlike how some folks would be I'll be nice here...Kev doesn't do anything about Zergs from info received on the wiki. as a matter of fact Kevan doesn't do a whole lot unless there was a significant amount of community input via the suggestions page and even then it is at his leisure. The Zerg issue is pretty much handled by other folks on the resens list and even then its pretty catch as catch can. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 19:34, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

No wonder UD fail so hard.--Jakezing 00:39, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

As many have said before, if you don't like it, then leave. --Pestolence^(talk) 00:42, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I think he has sadism issues, as we try and try to get him to leave, but he always keeps coming back for moar abuse. It's sad really.--Suicidal Angel, Help needed? 00:53, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

You can tell me to go but that doesnt give you the power to make it happen.--Jakezing 04:37, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not telling you to leave, but it would probably be a good decision if you think UD fails. --Pestolence^(talk) 15:03, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

That's masochism, not sadism. --William Told and Co. ^{ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ ಠ_ಠ} 01:36, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Random Request

Next time you create a new city, any chance of bringing back the junkyard and wirecutters combo? Cheers. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 11:28, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

+1. I have to admit to being bitterly disappointed to find open junkyards in Monroeville. :'( ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:24, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

TOU/S

Do we have a Terms of use/service page? I've been looking for a while, and I don't seem to see one. It'd be nice if we did, because then we'd know things that are expressly forbidden due to hosting issues and the like.--Suicidal Angel, Help needed? 16:06, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

If you cannot find it: it does not exist.--Jakezing 22:02, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh piss off. No one is fooled by your act, so please just fuck off. Kevan? Do we have a list of things that are forbidden due to country laws, hosting issues, etc. or not (Not necessarily meaning it's available on this site, but one that you know about that pertains to the wiki)? I mean, yeah there are a few "duh" sort of ones, like no kiddie porn and stuff, but others I have no idea about. Any help?--Suicidal Angel, Help needed? 01:50, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

This site (domain tools,) says that this is his ISP, server located in England. The ISP has an "Abuse of TOS" email address, so presumably they have a TOS, although I can't find it. I have no idea about English law. Linkthewindow  Talk  02:00, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

From time on another, more combative, site I have a layman's understanding of British Law as it applies to defamation, slander, libel and the nature of physical threats and illegal actions that appertain to the settlement of the aforementioned. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:14, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

A brief education by the University of Google finds no such laws relating to death threats, but I would imagine that such a law would be buried deep in things like criminal codes. If it comes to it, I'll ask one of my teachers about the (Australian) legal system when it comes to these things, or one of my parents (both lawyers.) That said, that's Australian law, but our law is pretty similar to that of the UK. Linkthewindow  Talk  02:23, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Back in the Day Xoid and I had to do some research on the TOS because of a user abusing in serious violation of them. However I've gone looking and haven't been able to find the references anywhere still on the Wiki. It was probably on a talk page of some article that was deleted in an edit without being archived. The primary gist of it was this... any form of intimidation that went beyond a certain level of namecalling and usual wiki BS was a violation, ESPECIALLY if it included "real world"^tm threats of harm or violence. Also included were any situation where hosted domains were used to damage the effectiveness of another website or host (as an example you couldn't use any part of the host to launch a d.o.s. attack on another domain. Not that this was really possible by anyone but Kevan. Also iirc the Wiki and the Game were on different hosts at teh time but I'm pretty sure that has changed since then. I don't know. I was never the techno-savant of the group and my memory is hazy. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 05:12, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Conn, that's a little bit of what I'm looking for. Just waiting for a response from the big man about all this now.--Suicidal Angel, Help needed? 13:30, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

I also thought we had some basic terms on the wiki somewhere, but maybe we don't. The Poundhost terms of service are here. --Kevan 13:37, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll start working on a page for the wiki.--Suicidal Angel, Help needed? 14:14, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Semi-protection

...Was approved. I think all you have to do is change the autoconfirmed group to 1 week and 25 edits. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:51, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Going to update the config, it turns out that $wgAutoConfirmCount needs a later version of MediaWiki; this will either have to wait for a MediaWiki upgrade, or be reproposed without the edit count. --Kevan 13:42, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

We'll wait for the MediaWiki upgrade, there's no hurry. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:01, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Time Travel

Hey Kevan, we've just had a very weird thing happening with the edit histories. Where you trying to do something or was it just a bug? Linkthewindow  Talk  00:10, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I wasn't around at the time, I've no idea what that was about. --Kevan 10:40, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I'll do some poking at the Mediawiki help files if I have time. Linkthewindow  Talk  10:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Ever gonna update the game?

a lot of people are quitting the game.it's because you won't update the game. you need to push for 2-3 updates per month. i'm telling you so your game does not suffer. please update the game for the people's sake--Jerrel Yokotory 23:28, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

How many games do you run, Yokotory? --Papa Moloch 00:21, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Well I do run track and Cross-country. I ski on the weekends.Do you run at any games or track meets?--Jerrel Yokotory 00:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

No, rowing and weights are my sporting loves. The difference is that I'm not telling you how to run or ski, whilst you are trying to tell Kevan how to run a game which is heading toward four years of lifespan without once having had your help. --Papa Moloch 00:26, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I refuse to believe that Jerrel wasn't being a smartarse there. The concept of him actually taking your words in that way for real is just too retarded for words. --Cyberbob 06:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

He was kidding wasn't he?--xoxo 06:29, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I believe they call it intentional misinterpretation, an example of me employing that very device is on either Boxys or kareks talk page, something to do with alim and hagnat...--xoxo 06:30, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I was faced with the choice of believing that he's either cripplingly unfunny or a functionally illiterate retard. The evidence all pointed to 'Retard' so I went with that and answered as though serious.--Papa Moloch 12:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

No, I'm telling him that his game is going into despair, whilist he is doing nothing about it.--Jerrel Yokotory 00:48, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

And you're also telling him how to 'fix' it, which amounts to exactly what I said. Care to back up your claims? How far have numbers fallen in the last six months? --Papa Moloch 02:46, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I really don't think a 'lack' of updates is the reason for dropping numbers. I'm not 100% sure the balance of some of the more recent updates is quite right but that isn't my call. But the game doesn't need a barrage of updates coming out every other month. The slow progression of the game over time gives it longer life than having quick fix after quick fix to keep people with low attention spans happy.--DI Sweeny 01:16, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

The numbers seems to have stagnated, actually. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 02:49, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to thank you Kevan for taking your sweet time in updating the game. It's making it a little less full of people entirely incapable of self-motivation, thus making it more fun. Kudos to you sir. -- T^HEL^ORDG^UNS^LINGER 01:38, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Acctully Kevan is my idol. kevan is a good person for what he's doon.--Jerrel Yokotory 02:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Isn't this the dude who nominated himself for sysop after 200 edits? Yoko, do you think you could whip us up a cross-country and/or track MMORPG? Because that would be awesome. Throw in some chainsaws, too, and maybe some crucifixes that shoot laser beams. You would totally show up Kevan! --Paddy Dignam^{IS DEAD} 04:10, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, Now you all think I'm a retard. Sorry for pointing out what everyone else could not see. Sorry for pointing out the obvious. Most people in this game, (the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats, pardon me)would agree with me a think this game needs a freakin update. I take cybertonics and Coding as a special class at GU and I know it's hard to code, I've tryed it. But Kevan IS A TRAINED SPECIALIST. He could redo this entire game in a half hour if he wanted too. sooooo, whays a 1 UPDATE PER MONTH? is that so hard to ask????? add a new weopon, new builing, something. Please.--Jerrel Yokotory 17:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Last year kevan gave us 18 updates including 2 new cities. Give him a rest. Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:13, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

And most all of them had someone complaining about the game being made harder or more complicated. A few legitimately, most because it screwed with their status quo. I have absolutely no clue why he would want to take his time between updates.--Karek^maps?! 18:47, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Making an update is a lot more than just coding it. The balance needs to be thought of thoroughly and it needs to be tested. These things take time. Sure, Kevan could probably push out one update a week if he wanted to and wasn't lazy, but those would be unbalanced and buggy updates. Unbalanced and buggy updates are more likely to drive people away than a lack of updates. The game simply doesn't need to change every month, not even every couple of months. If you find the game boring, go and do something interesting and different yourself. --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 09:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Lots of rushed, unbalanced updates would simply destroy the game (and it has nearly got to that point before.) Linkthewindow  Talk  10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Finally someone who agrees with me!!! Why drag out updates?--Jerrel Yokotory 21:04, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

"the ones who are not sysops or bueruekrats" - Just so you know, I'm neither. Carry on. -- T^HEL^ORDG^UNS^LINGER 01:42, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm actually the only sysop to comment in this conversation - and I did it here (with the exception of Karek, who'll be demoted soon.) Linkthewindow  Talk  10:12, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

I find myself in the middle of this arguement, in terms of the two sides. On the one hand, I don't want Kevan to break the game balance every week, fix it and then break it in a different way the next week, but on the other I feel that an update is about due.

Besides, I think an update every two months or so isn't much of an ask, even if its just adding an item from the PR suggestions. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 10:53, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Can we please close this topic? Everyone wants to say something about Jerrel's ridiculous statement but I don't think it's worth the spam that it's leaving on Kevan's page. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 12:34, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Im sure on the 1st of april there will be an update. usually is! Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 20:21, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Hey!!!! Everyone that wants an update should get together and go on strike!!!!!--Jerrel Yokotory 17:51, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Stop talking now. A strike for something as lame-assed as this is nothing short of pitiful. You are awarded no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. --Pestolence^(talk) 02:19, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

because i had already done this and it seems a shame to waste such a half assed effort. --Honestmistake 00:06, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

I agree with both sides of this. I believe we need updates BIG TIME, but I also believe Jerrel has no right blaming Kevan. He's probably a busy man. As for a strike: No. Plain and simple. Now, can we stop spamming Kevan's pages please? Kthzbye. --Haliman - Talk 03:12, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

What do we so badly need an update for? The game is well balanced and has a fairly complex and robust play. More fiddly little detail skills likely won't improve that play any, and won't draw in / hold onto more players.  Swiers 06:40, 18 April 2009 (BST)

Why won't Kevan Reply back to this?
I know i was being kind of offensive to you Kevan, so sorry.
But would you mind telling me WHY you won't update the game? I mean, you gave us two new cities last year!
and i appriciate it, but the game hasn't been updated since 2008! so, if you don't mind, i would really like to hear what you have to say.
(And please don't flip out on me, even though I have been a jerk)
And i'm also apologizing for being a jerk too.--Jerrel Yokotory 01:33, 16 April 2009 (BST)

Making new cities brings in motherfuckin' cash money. Adding skills and what have you doesn't. Comprende? --xoxo 02:28, 16 April 2009 (BST)

We had an update just 15 days ago! --Midianian^{¦T¦DS¦SP¦} 08:55, 16 April 2009 (BST)

WE DID NOT! LOOK AT THE FREAKING UD START PAGE! NO UPDATE-PREHENDA?----Jerrel Yokotory 04:18, 18 April 2009 (BST)

Erm, the April Fool's Day update, the one that happens every year? My god you're dense. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 06:01, 18 April 2009 (BST)

*facepalms*
Sorry kevan, i usually get all my updates from the game.
nothing unusual happened to me on april 1st though.
i think i'm losing myself.
I AUTHERIZE TOPIC SELF-DESTRUCTION!--Jerrel Yokotory 15:52, 18 April 2009 (BST)

In a word: Fail. --Pestolence^(talk) 19:59, 18 April 2009 (BST)

He spams Kevan's talk page with so much crap I want to take him to VB... D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 00:36, 19 April 2009 (BST)

I still say kevan should get some people to help him run the game, its rather fun and large for one person ot have to run alone. Oh and I'm not saying me, no I'd abuse it by banning a 4rth of the game and making revives harder again.--Jakezing 23:58, 23 April 2009 (BST)

Donated Characters

Any chance that the "This character is no longer affected by the IP limit." banner that appears on your profile if you have donated $5 could be shown to everyone that visits the profile, not just the owner of the profile.--Kooks 18:51, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

exhibitionist. --xoxo 12:28, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

And proud.--Kooks 18:46, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

I think there's people who would not want that. Maybe if it was an option you could allow / turn off via settingas?  Swiers 05:39, 18 April 2009 (BST)

I'd have it say "This character has been donated for.", but really, it's basically just showing off – link to your wiki page from your profile and show off there. Oh, and I think you meant to post this in Developing Suggestions. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 08:12, 20 April 2009 (BST)

I would totally come back to just pk people who have donated.--THE Godfather of Яesensitized, Anime Sucks ^{Yalk | W! U! WMM| CC CPFOAS LOE ZHU | Яezzens} 04:37, 26 April 2009 (BST)

You've left?--xoxo 16:17, 28 April 2009 (BST)

Standing Zombies

Kevan, I can't find the topic from last time around, but the borehamwood stats. Standing zombies means literally that doesn't it. Active zombies with greater than 0 hit points? Not just active zombie characters? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 22:52, 28 April 2009 (BST)

Question about the last Update

"Survivors are once again looting the long-abandoned seasonal storerooms of the city's shopping malls, to find lights and trees for their safehouses." I'm assuming Christmas season in Malton is really long then, just wondering what kind of in game explanation we could use, --Jakezing 00:01, 1 May 2009 (BST)

"The snow has subsided and survivors are ready to feel bad about themselves again". Not that an explanation matters. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 03:11, 1 May 2009 (BST)

No, it's just5 that it seems awkward ot explain why we are still getting christmas trees in the middle of spring thats all: and we might wanna get a explanation, or kevan could take them out in a mini-update.--Jakezing 01:52, 2 May 2009 (BST)

Where to suggest technical issues?

I have gathered a list of technical issues which might need a look (as they have been unfixed since 2007), but they don't exactly fit the bug reports page either (not user visible/annoying issues). Would this be more appropriate place to get a review for them? --Tumu 09:26, 25 May 2009 (BST)

They do seem unlike those that go to Bug Reports, but I think the best place would be to take them there. I'm only suggesting that however because no one else has given you any direction, and I apoligise for that. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 10:57, 28 May 2009 (BST)

Noted; there do seem to be a few weird oversights in there. Thanks. --Kevan 13:14, 1 June 2009 (BST)

Speaking of weird things, is it intentional for Flesh Rotters to get the benefits while alive? I'd have thought that since they were alive, their flesh wasn't rotting, so they wouldn't get the Flak+Body Building effects while alive. I'd like to know, because I'm going to make a suggestion to have it that way if its current effect is intended. if it's not intended, then this can be moved to Bug Reports. Thanks.--Kolechovski 22:41, 2 June 2009 (BST)

Bub's in danger!

Just so you know, a page dedicated to your character Bub is up for deletion. --Blake Firedancer ^{T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T.} 10:51, 28 May 2009 (BST)

Yeah kevan please come and save that great page...--xoxo 08:20, 29 May 2009 (BST)

A few things

Firstly, about that MediaWiki upgrade. Sorry if I'm pestering you, it's just that it would be quite useful (an upgrade to Checkuser would be nice as well, I've seen screenshots of a later version and it looks like it streamlines the process a little.)

Secondly, a user asked me the other day (a few weeks ago) about a problem he was having in my chatbox:

VI said:

Link, I need haaaaalp! I'm trying to make a shoutbox, here. The problem: when I, to get rid of the horizontal scrollbar, use "overflo*w:auto" instead of "overflow:scroll" the wiki's spam filter won't let me use that code. I don't know if you can edit the spamfilter (I'm wiki illiterate), but do you know how I can fix this? Thanks a ton. VI 22:05, 3 May 2009 (BST)

I confirmed it myself, and wrote

Linkthewindow said:

Hmm... that's really odd. I can't edit the spam filter (at least not what I know of,) but I need to as Kevan about something {*cough*MediaWiki upgrade*cough*) so I'll ask him then. For future reference, I'll need this page. Linkthewindow Talk 22:29, 3 May 2009 (BST)

Finally, and on a pedantic note, would it be okay if you could turn the Guides namespace into a proper one? So Talk:Guides:Shelter is rendered as Guides talk:Shelter. As far as I know, there are a few in the Guide: namespace too, so we'll have some moving to do if this is done (sysops, of course.)

Thanks for your time. Linkthewindow  Talk  12:58, 1 June 2009 (BST)

I second this nudge.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 13:03, 1 June 2009 (BST)

"overflow:auto" is a standard spambot trick for hiding all their links in a 1px div, which I think we were having trouble with a few years ago. The filtering is possibly hardcoded somewhere.

If there's general support for another namespace, point me at the discussion and I'll add it.

Updating MediaWiki is on the list, but below "update the actual game" at the moment. I'll fit it in when I can. --Kevan 13:12, 1 June 2009 (BST)

Okay, then thanks. It's not a big deal about the spam filter, I'll start a discussion at Talk:Guides (although I can't see it being a big deal) and thanks about the upgrade. Linkthewindow  Talk  13:15, 1 June 2009 (BST)

Kevan will doo it! Also, happy very belated birthday (13 May?) assuming your Amazon wishlist is correct!:D --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:24, 1 June 2009 (BST)

Oh, and don't forget about this ;). And happy belated birthday! Only one month late. Linkthewindow  Talk  12:24, 4 June 2009 (BST)

Suggesting Suggestions Change

I want your opinion on a proposed change I have to the Suggestions Layout. I’d think it would be more efficient to have a normal suggestions area, a clothing suggestions area, and a humorous suggestions area, all with links listed one after the other on the main voting page. I also see the humorous suggestions layout is a bit confusing, and I would recommend splitting it into 2 parts, the funny and the non-funny, then splitting it into the many categories (areas of effect) under each heading. I’d also ask if the humorous suggestions voting process would become something similar to the normal process, with each suggestion open for 2 weeks, but no SPAM votes (just FUNNY or NOT FUNNY). Would this be a viable option? I’d think the layout changes should at least make it easier to find and view them all.

I would also like to know if there’s a process for suggesting that certain stuff be added to the Frequently Suggested section on the main voting area. There seem to be some common ones I’d like to have added to the list.

I also have a question about the normal voting process that only you can answer. Does SPAM=STRONG KILL? I see it’s still a common issue today, and it’s still debated if you can vote SPAM for a strong kill, or only vote SPAM if a suggestion is game-breaking or horribly unnecessary. Also, could you check the voting guidelines section and make sure it matches whatever your decision is? Thanks.--Kolechovski 22:46, 2 June 2009 (BST)

In too many years of wasted time here I don't recal Kevan ever directly commenting on suggestions (or indeed much of anything else) so I doubt he is going to start now. Personally I wouldn't worry about where a suggestion heads just so long as its not unjustly SPAMMED and that's pretty rare. --Honestmistake 00:51, 3 June 2009 (BST)

He does things every once in a while, when it actually requires his attention. Normally his hands off approach works pretty well because we manage to handle everyhting.--Mr. Angel, Help needed? 00:58, 3 June 2009 (BST)

Okay, well, what are your takes on this then?--Kolechovski 18:11, 23 June 2009 (BST)

Huge Ruin bug could leave the whole of Borehamwood caded in less than a month.

Hey Kevan,

Wednesday night a member of my borehamwood survivor group did a very large suicide repair, when he logged himself back on, he found he had 50ap and the building was repaired.

Thursday night, I attempted my own suicide repair and yet again the same thing happened.

We've done a lot of suicide repairs and as such we know that these were the highest repairs we have attempted. And they both worked. To check our findings, we asked another survivor to repeat the experiment, to confirm our spadework was correct.

It was. Not only that, but this survivor was able to enact the repair, recade the building to ehb and then enact ANOTHER suicide repair, which left them BACK on 50ap. In fact the survivor managed to repeat this 6 times. With one character. In one day. Before the 300 IP for one character kicked in.

At this time 4 of us survivors know the exact technique, but at least 10 others are pretty close to working it out (AP levels etc). I reckon by sunday all 51 survivors will have worked it out.

As it stands the whole challenge of surviving borehamwood is moot. We can't do coma repairs on 99% of buildings without this happening, and Im not expecting zeds to hang around with this giant loophole. It also destroys the smugness us survivors have from surviving for 6 months.

All 4 survivors who do know the trick have currently stopped repairing buildings within the range, but I can't control the whole population.

At the minute survivors could repair the whole of NE Borehamwood, Radlett or Elstree in a day, 1 survivor could reclaim the big brother house on their own,

Apologies for the lack of screenshots, but with permadeath as it is, we don't want to give away our position.

It seems to be a dupe of the following case on bug reports. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Bug_Reports#Massively_negative_AP_causes_AP_reset

Apologies for posting it here, but I felt the game breaking nature of this bug warrants the intrusion. Let me know if you need more details. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:40, 12 June 2009 (BST)

Thanks. Building repair has now been temporarily disabled in Borehamwood and Monroeville, while this is fixed. --Kevan 16:46, 12 June 2009 (BST)

When you say massive repair, do you mean it's bringing you to under -255 AP? I could think of some weird wrapping thing happening when the AP gets too negative and it tries to make it positive or something, capping at the 50 AP norm. 255's the magic number for how large a single byte can represent. It's may have something to do with what type of data Kevin's storing AP with - integer, double, float, etc. (whoo edit conflicted by Kevan) --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 16:49, 12 June 2009 (BST)

The cutoff point (Now its banned) is -150ap Any suicide repair that takes you below this value creates the reset. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)

Very strange... -150 to 50 is a range of 200, nothing particularly significant. Then again, I have no idea how Kevan coded AP regen. Now the big repair costs have come back to bite in an ironic kind of way, eh? :P --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 16:53, 12 June 2009 (BST)

Its quite a wide range. Theres probably been only a handful of such building in Malton's history. Borehamwood has a whole cities worth. If it takes a while kev can we have an amnesty in the cities? Those pesky zeds are always chewing on our cades. I wouldn't mind but I've only got one life. :).--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 16:55, 12 June 2009 (BST)

This bug has now been fixed, and repairs have been enabled again in the other two cities. --Kevan 17:08, 12 June 2009 (BST)

Thanks Kevan! Swiftly done I must say. May all your future updates be bug free.--Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:10, 12 June 2009 (BST)

Twenty minutes... I'm hella impressed. Thanks for fixing this. --Bob Boberton ^{TF / DW} 17:18, 12 June 2009 (BST)

Wut? But half way up are the oldest posts, then they go up, then they go down... Thsi page is confusing ...--Yonnua Koponen ^{Talk ! Contribs} 21:51, 12 June 2009 (BST)

Pointless Borehamwood request

Can we have a public broadcasting system too? --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 19:57, 3 July 2009 (BST)