User talk:Iscariot/Archive

The Talk Page of St. Iscariot, Wiki Martyr

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Having your post removed is a clear sign I do not wish you to post here. Repeat offenders shall be taken to Vandal Banning as per precedent. These rules apply without exception to any page in my userspace, that's any page that begins User:Iscariot or User talk:Iscariot. If you are here to bitch and whine that I've removed your ad from the Recruitment page, don't bother posting at all. Instead, go here and report me as a vandal. If you are too stupid to work out why I've removed your ad, I really don't want to hear anything from you. Need Advise Hi Iscariot. We've met before :P I'm here to ask you about another total deletion of my Legends of Darkness/KoS List Wiki page from a total stranger that has no affiliations to LoD at all. Is user:Keifer Jones a sysop or something? He has no page that I can find other than a blank one. I've restored the page in hopes he doesn't do it again. You helped me a lot last time and I don't really know anyone else to ask. Sorry if this is a bother.--Psychotic Pantomime 23:41, 13 March 2009 (UTC) Update on this: Linkthewindow  Talk  has responded to this issue and has provided very helpful advise and reported it to vandal banning. Since he is a member of the administration team and not allowed to post here, I thought it would be proper to let you know I have received some help on this request so your time isn't wasted. Discussion is: On My Talk Page--Psychotic Pantomime 01:41, 14 March 2009 (UTC) 1 Week Ban You have been banned from editing this wiki for one week.--– Nubis NWO 13:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC) Your ban has been downgraded to a 24 hour one as it should have been due to the de-escalation policy. As more than 24 hours have passed, your ban has been lifted. -- Cheese 18:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC) Nubis you little scamp!--xoxo 20:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC) Hm? Some cryptic stupidity? ■■ 19:47, 9 March 2009 (UTC) Translation? I can barely follow what he's on about and don't know the background. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 05:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC) And why do you revert my edits? Quit abusing your powers and get a life. Mall tours over get over it , you can come back and terrorize us next year (yet all of you are still at our mall) Quit stalking the tompson mall edits Nobodys going to vandalize tompson mall. I added the pk section (took me 2 hours to make sence i needed to get the ids and shit and links) and you reverted it back and called it vandalism.... dude seriuosly?why do that i have nothing against you but im starting to--Officer tommy 19:33, 9 March 2009 (UTC) I don't give a shit whether you have a problem with me or not. You shoot zombies outside, you're an ignorant trenchie. Learn the rules of NPOV before you come here and start making demands. Also, the Mall Tour is not over, we have claimed 11 of the 20 malls in Malton, unlike your Mall Security circle jerk this group is successful and will continue to be. My reverts to the Tompson Mall page are the beginnings of Project: Malls that I have planned, for too long those pages have been a haven for trenchie and NPOV shit, I am going to fix that. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 05:16, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Um, you mean "POV shit," right?--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:48, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Gnomegnomegnomegnome tell me somethinginteresting.--xoxo 23:56, 10 March 2009 (UTC) Image Storing Storing these here, because I can. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:02, 5 March 2009 (UTC) Just a question. A friendly query, if you will. Why are you such a cunt all the time? That's all I wanted to know. --_Vic D'Amato__Dead vs Blue_ 00:29, 5 March 2009 (UTC) It's part of his charm. --Johnny Bass 08:49, 5 March 2009 (UTC) Welcome to St Alexanders in Lockettside Didn't expect to see ya in my groups HQ. Srry ahead of time if some of the hospital's residents headshot ya. The Valkyries are very welcomeing and don't mind visiting zeds.--Dragon fang 21:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC) Thanks for the welcome, I think I've been headshot four times at your hospital in the last few days. Should be fun, I hope you'll join us after we have a team eat you and ruin the hospital ;) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC) While I thank you for the offer I'm more likely going to stay around Lockettside, though I wouldn't mind causing some zombie trouble lol. Your not the first to invite me to the zombie side,if you will. The head of the RRF during their visit and myself had a face to face chat(he was human at the time) and he thought I could make a decent RRF member. *Shrugs* I don't think I've died and been a zed enough lol. Feel free to write on my talk page BTW.--Dragon fang 08:43, 5 March 2009 (UTC) I know Moloch through being in the Gore Corps. Feel free to grab yourself an alt, new character or old and join us once we're out of the area (avoiding the potential alt conflict), with your posting time you'd fit very well into Midnight Snack Attack strike team. They'll be happy to feed you up so you can become a big strong zambah. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 08:48, 5 March 2009 (UTC) Doh. Up till you just said that I forgot all about my one alt. Heh, I used him to pester a fellow Valk by telling him I knew him, stabbed him and then ran off without saying how I knew him. Thank god my friend was doing a walk around town lol. I'll prob work on him and then head over to Ridley.--Dragon fang 06:09, 6 March 2009 (UTC) Tompson mall edit No rules were broken and i was letting them know the mall status that there are impersonators trying to get defenders out of the mall.You probally just cost us about 30 defenders, What rule was broken?--Officer tommy 19:26, 1 March 2009 (UTC) You are providing tactical information and writing in a POV style. This is a clear breach of the location update guidelines. Until your edits conform to them I will continue to remove/revert them in order to maintain impartiality and a NPOV status on community pages. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC) You bullshit.so your going to revert all my edits???? just because i told them how many zombies were outside?? Fuck you , i dont see your ass in the mall getting pked and seeing people impersonate tags to get people out of there maybe you should learn english under attack they have started filling up the rps and bashing the SE corner we literoly die everyday for that mall and your doing this bs>? what ever your in the mall tour anyway continue to abuse your fucking powers we"ll use river tactics.--Officer tommy 21:50, 1 March 2009 (UTC) Did you just tell me to learn "english (sic)"? Perhaps you should learn basic capitalisation which is one of the basic skills of the English language. I love the fact you think you threatening River Tactics it will affect me in any way. Running away just makes the mall easier to take, I don't care whether you protect any other building in your forgettable suburb, the mall is our concern, you might have guessed that given that the event is called the Mall Tour 2009. Also given that there are others reading, I woke up, before opening up the mall for the ferals to eat again, to this little tirade: officer Tommy said "nice to meet you cloister , and ill be enjoying killing you later on , the reason i cant kill u now is because of the pkers , we get pked everyday in tompson mall security and get head shottted at the rp that meens we come out with 25 ap by time its all" (1 hour and 35 minutes ago) officer Tommy said "done with , by the way this is our fucking mall your just staying at it , Go abuse your wiki powers some more" (1 hour and 34 minutes ago) That's right, this guy is so stupid he thinks that shooting zombies outside is an effective strategy. We have a Grade A idiot here. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC) Your just pissed because a guy later came and head shotted you.And no thats not a strategy i just felt like punching a few bullets into you before i wouldve punched a few 45s in my computer.--Officer tommy 06:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC) User:Iscariot/ Your character, Cloister the Stupid has a slash in the real name section. Should probably fix that, unless you're making a statement about Cloister being stupid. :P --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 01:55, 24 February 2009 (UTC) The URLs are too long, I've been meaning to get tinyurls to fix the problem, but just can't be arsed. Also Cloister is indeed very stupid, this is the man who invented the Beer Milkshake, watch the videos on his page ;) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 03:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC) Brnstck? I don't even remember what was the topic about in the first place, but for some reason I feel neglected.. :'( --Janus talk 13:03, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Come to Barhah.com, we won't neglect you, you can bring Liz into the Gore Corps ;) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC) Damn psychic powers! Liz would be ok for Gore Corps, since she enjoys changing. However I won't be able to spend much time on the net for a while, so I prefer to wait until things get better. :) --Janus talk 19:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC) So you don't reinvent the wheel I grabbed what you were working on for Fiffy's user page, put it in my sandbox, and messed around with it a bit. I'm just bored. Here's a link to that sandbox so that you can take a look and do what you want with it. --dgw 10:34, 19 February 2009 (UTC) Lots of Luffs Valentines Day Fiffy has given Iscariot a candy heart because she luffs him. --Fiffy 16:09, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Just so you know... Someone's put you up for promontion. You've probably already seen the notice on the Wiki News, but just in case. Linkthewindow  Talk  12:48, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Yeah, I got it. I might see if The Rooster can write me a bot to start auto-archiving these for me. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:53, 14 February 2009 (UTC) Notice to Iscariot This is just a notice for you. You can delete this message from your page when finished. I will retain the announcement on my page indefinitely. http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Kolechovski#Note_Regarding_Iscariot.27s_Posts --Kolechovski 22:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC) I love the little title, how cute that you think you'd be conversing with someone other than me on this page. I was going to link it myself actually, I think it's hilarious. For those joining the party halfway through, I caught this cheating shit zerging. I asked him on his talk page (be sure to check the history) whether the characters were his (in case someone had tried to set him up) his silence and subsequent investigations by myself proved the characters in question belonged to him. I forwarded my original iwits to the Zerg Liste, who agreed with me that such behaviour was low, cowardly and cheating and entered him on the Liste, where he remains to this day. I quite frankly couldn't give a shit whether you like me or not you cheating scumfuck, the fact is I caught you cheating. There are people in the game and on the wiki I don't like personally, but none of them stoop as low as zerging in order to gain an advantage in a fucking browser game. Go cry to the Zerg Liste, demonstrate good behaviour and weep at the appropriate times and they might remove you. Hugs and kisses. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 22:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC) Oh, the hilarity! [12:45] <Iscariot> Though SLR has just brought a misconduct case on the wiki against every sysop.... [12:46] <Fiffy> o.o [12:47] <Iscariot> They'll ban him for a month for that, they'll try and pass it off as 'spamming up the admin pages in bad faith'. Third, FYI Putting this up is in fact vandalism since you are in fact "shitting up an admin page" as the kids say now a'days. - Conndraka on Misconduct at 13:50. Psychic I am. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC) ..we already knew that :P --Janus talk 14:44, 12 February 2009 (UTC) Good point, well made. For my next trick I will use my psychic powers to compel you to join the REAL Kool Kids Klub, sysops aren't allowed in at all.... except for Sweirs....and SA.... Kome and join the koolness ;) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC) Heh, the Psychic Gore Corps.. I'd join you guys right away if I wasn't so pro-survivor oriented. :P --Janus talk 22:11, 12 February 2009 (UTC) Get an alt. Run with Team America or AU10 for a couple of months to build your XP then join the Dark Side ;) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:03, 12 February 2009 (UTC) Mall Status Map Varient I meant to post this after I made the thing, and promtly forgot. Does this variation of the MSM, without the status images, remove the clutter? The text needs realigned obviously, but I think it's an improvement personally. Else, where do we pick this train of thought back up at, any progress on your example? --  RoosterDragon  22:56, 11 February 2009 (UTC) I like this better than the version I had planned. I personally think we should use it. There's been no progress on my version, I've been avoiding the sysops' witchhunt of me so have been less active than needed to complete such a project. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 12:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC) The phrase 'delying the inevitable' comes to mind, but anyway, map implemented. --  RoosterDragon  23:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC) Oh yeah I just realised I can post here again. Which is nice. Just wanted to sat that No More Heroes is a damn fine article. What's your thoughts in terms of groups and the newer cities? Worth bothering with (In their time) or just pointless? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:59, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Thanks, NMH was born out of frustration with the S.O.S. morons. I had planned to do another piece called Building Better Survivors, the table code is already in place on its page but it'll never be finished now. As you know, I was involved with the new group thing in Monroeville. As far as the question of worth it all depends on the new cities, Monroeville was both new and mechanically radically different to Malton, that difference made the city a worthy challenge in the manner of group cohesiveness and tactics using establish mechanics. Unfortunately Borehamwood was nothing new and ultimately pointless. A new city has to be diverse and challenging to make it worth the time of players. I did consider the possibility of seeing if I could have gotten hold of similar code to UD and trying to do a fully complete start-to-finish flavour filled city with a pre-planned end game. Unfortunately I can't code. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Where dit go? I now have an embarrassingly red link on my user page. What's he planning then?--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 13:05, 20 February 2009 (UTC) He's planning this. I disliked the way he'd put it on the project page and checked with him on the project talk page. What he's doing is tantamount to plagarism and I won't have my work stolen and passed off for someone else's benefit. Cherry picking the hard work of others and then possibly giving others credit in some way at some vague undetermined future date is simply ass-backwards and I won't be a part of it. When I'm satisfied that he's finished being a thieving shit I'll request an undeletion if I'm still around and I'll also do the two or three other guides I have planned. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:15, 20 February 2009 (UTC) sig help i saw your code and attempted to make a new sig page here http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/BulldogC6/SIGPAGE however, i'm having issues getting it to appear that way. what would i put in on my preferences? sorry, i'm not quite the wiki whiz-kid :) --User:BulldogC6/SIGPAGE 02:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC) It looks like Janus has posted the fix on your talk page, follow her advice and it should sort itself. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Gaaaaaah * Cliff Spab jabbed you with a fencing foil for 2 damage. (6 hours and 13 minutes ago) You know, most people prefer newspapers. --Pestolence(talk) 21:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC) I don't have a newspaper, and the 100% hit ratio is just lazy. Using a 25% hit chance shows that you care, it took me 6AP to stab you :P -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:27, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Mall Tour '09 Are we next? :o --Janus talk 18:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC) You might be or you might not be. That depends on the weekly circulars that we subscribed to from all of the malls. Do you have any good upcoming barga!nz? --Johnny Bass 16:39, 5 February 2009 (UTC) Inama Nushif What's that about? --Pestolence(talk) 20:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC) Click the link at the top of the box ;) It translates as She is eternal from the Fremen language, which in turn is derived from Chakobsa. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:21, 2 February 2009 (UTC) Quiz Sorry this is a week late. But hey. At least you're a few million dollars richer! Diamonds! This user thinks diamonds are shiny. --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 15:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC) Nice. I'll admit you had me.--xoxo 02:31, 28 January 2009 (UTC) Warning Please do not vandalize pages on this wiki. You have been given a 24 hour ban.--– Nubis NWO 13:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC) Remember children... ...it's not what you post, the value of your suggestion or criticism, but their opinion of you which is the deciding factor. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC) Was it really? Was the case really in progress? I thought you got everything you wanted out of it with Sgt Raiden saying that he won't make any more edits about the mall tour. - Jedaz - 23:53/19/01/2009 He accepted a case that was brought, therefore 'in progress'. Also after his posting of "never wanted to talk about the Mall Tour" (or whatever he said) he still continued to post blatantly false information about the group. Now, whilst I was happy for Link etc. to reason with him, for so long as he continues to edit in such a manner I will continue to seek resolution. Since as you removed the case I am forced to take the only other option open to me. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:57, 19 January 2009 (UTC) I'm sorry, but I looked at his edits after his comment on the arbitration case but I don't see which edits you are refering to when you say that he is still posting false information about the group. If you could point out the edit(s) then I'ld be happy to admit that I was wrong. - Jedaz - 00:07/20/01/2009 He posted to arbitration on the 17th. Given that the posts on his talkpage had been up for some days it is reasonable to assume that he was at least aware of some contention surrounding his edits to the community pages regarding the Mall Tour 2009. Although it is before he posts to the arbitration page, by a hour or so I believe, even with the obvious activity on his talk page he proceeds to place these lies on the danger report. At the time I was actively coordinating an extended strike to take the corner we were attacking. As we were at least 70 bodies off the ruin in the NE, the corner we were attacking, I wondered how we'd scored a ruin in another corner. One IRC message later, and I had definitive proof of his lying. Two days after he continues to post complete shit like this, although the iwit proof seems to escape me, I did a pass of the mall at that time and only our entry cades in the NE corner were down. Although I appear to have mislaid the screen shots for this incident, given his past behaviour and my proof against it, it is reasonable to take my word for this as well. Simply put, he continues to lie. All of this could have been avoided if this edit had justifiably been ruled vandalism and the warning issued. There is no good faith reasoning for posting that, especially inside another user's signed comment. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:30, 20 January 2009 (UTC) Well you've got what you've said you wanted, he has stopped making edits concerning the Mall Tour (specifically no mention of Mall Tour). Yeah, sure those edits before his comment on arbitration were probably just to annoy you further. By the way, I don't see how this edit is "complete shit" considering this edit to the mall tour page (who cares if there was a barricade or not, or were you talking about the fire station?). The thing is, newbies do stupid things all of the time, and if you go to A/A (or A/VB each and every time without trying to talk to them first then people are going to lose respect for you, fast. - Jedaz - 01:01/20/01/2009 No he hasn't, demonstratively, he might have stopped mentioning us by name, but he hasn't stopped lying and should he reverse himself and begin talking about the Tour again I have no arbitration ruling to escalate him immediately. I haven't gotten what I wanted by a long shot. The fact is, I started a case, he accepted and you removed it whilst we were in the stage where we would have chosen arbitrators. Given the opinions of the sysops this would not be ruled vandalism but is. If I went and archived cases because I didn't like them I'd be escalated in a heartbeat, hence, double standard. I have precisely zero concern for your, or anyone else's, respect on this wiki. My primary concern is towards the integrity to the group. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:10, 20 January 2009 (UTC) I archived the case on 2 grounds, 1) You were in violation of what Arbitration is about; resolving disputes when you can't get to them on your own accord. 2) There was a resolution to the case. He agreed to not post anything about the Mall Tour which is exactly what you asked for. If you don't understand how things work (you know, talk to people, make sure they understand and then report them if they continue any behaviour against the rules) then maybe you should have a good look at how things are done. I can garuntee you that for the majority of things that this is the way it works (even if it is people reporting to A/VB and then sysops explaining to users without escalations). - Jedaz - 01:31/20/01/2009 Violation? Then perhaps you might explain that to the sysop that told me to go directly to arbitration. A resolution is not, as you said in your earlier comment, me "getting what I wanted". I quote from the case "seek to prevent the user known as Sgt Raiden from making any further edits on this wiki concerning the Mall Tour 2009", he is not prevented from posting about the Tour in any way, an arbitration restraining order would have prevented him. A resolution in your eyes is not a resolution of the problem. There is still a grievance between him and my group, and since you and others have decided that we are not entitled to a satisfactory resolution on the wiki we are forced to take the matter in game. Who do you think will win? Your actions are causing him nothing but problems, but it's a resolution, right? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:42, 20 January 2009 (UTC) Ahem. You might have answered this elsewhere but i cbf tracking it down, so why (actually) did you decline anime's nomination? I wouldn't care except that i'm considering nominating you (as you're fully aware) and your motivation for not accepting his nomination might effect my decision.--xoxo 22:33, 16 January 2009 (UTC) Cat 4, desire to become a sysop. Anime nominated me in bad faith for his own amusement. As we know, bad faith = vandalism, but good luck getting that through A/VB.... As it was just for his personal amusement I had to act to remove his trolling from the wiki, because, let's face it none of the other sysops would. Isn't standing by whilst bad faith actions were taking place what they took you to misconduct for? Odd how it doesn't apply to them. It is purely for this reason that I removed it. I have already given Cat 4 authorisation to certain users, yourself included, for the purposes of a serious bid if that is the will of the community. If you are going to go through with it at some point in the future, just give me a heads up so I can take the page off my watchlist for the duration, I have enough to do with the Mall Tour to engage in the drama that certain users would bring to that page. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 22:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC) Can I get some input? I've been working on a policy that I believe is sorely needed here, and I'd appreciate your input on it. How can it be improved, and is it even needed right now? A potential problem is what to do about current sysops: put them all up for review now (leading to a massive backlog of admin page drama), postpone the review until six months from now (simply staving off the inevitable drama till later), or something else glaringly obvious that I've overlooked? See you around. --Pestolence(talk) 02:55, 16 January 2009 (UTC) Why? Why do you have to be such an ass? So much of what you claim to stand against is perfectly reasonable and yet you go about it in a way designed to annoy folk. You are a wiki lawyering Fu**er but I have to applaud you for challenging those who so often seem to think they are in charge. If only you could choose your cases with less bias rather than the current sense of self righteous "WTF" i think i could actually find myself on your side... Well, at least some of the time! --Honestmistake 01:39, 16 January 2009 (UTC) Awesome.. ..user page! (Also, the 'Wiki Martyr' part made me smile :)). So, do you really want to become a sysop? Or you're just interested in the community/sysops' answers? --Janus talk 16:08, 12 January 2009 (UTC) I'm glad someone else can see the humour in my redesign. As far a being a sysop goes, I unfortunately believe it's necessary if this wiki is ever to return to its original purpose. This is the only official resource for the game and yet a majority of the metagame community avoid it, we should have three times the amount of regular contributers than we do and this should be an important stepping stone for newbies to engage with that wider community. I place the blame for this clearly in the political bias of the current administration team. What we have is a system where no-one can be promoted without being an ally of theirs and cannot be demoted unless they are willing to tow the party line as set down by them (see J3D's demotion). The will of the community, that the sysops are supposed to represent in their position as trusted users, is regarded as insignificant next to their continued hold over what they percieve as an elite or superior status. We have a group of people who cannot be demoted, and that cannot have their bias nullified by promoting others (as they proved by removing J3D as soon as they could force it through, odd how the evidence was 'sysop' only, and that if J3D had made those logs public they'd have removed him anyway citing the Privacy Policy). The community is no longer represented by the administration team and as proven by Nubis today, they no longer work according to the will of the community. This is damaging this resource and ultimately the game. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:11, 12 January 2009 (UTC) What did Nubis do? So, do you think the community doesn't trust our current sysops (and that's the reason why we have very few contributions from them)? --Janus talk 21:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC) Might have completely forgotten about this due to running the Mall Tour, sorry Janus. The edit in question. I point directly to "We need a system to deal with that or add to the policy that a deletion vote can be overturned by a majority of the sysops". That's right, Nubis wants a system where they can summarily dismiss the community consensus as it suits them. Contrast with the current Administration Guidelines "As a wiki, for these actions, each user's voice has equal weight, regardless of his or her abilities". Even with the entire community against the image, Nubis wants to be able to overrule that consensus. The wishes of the community no longer factor into the primary reasoning of the sysops, they are no longer trusted users, but instead empowered users, and just as with Nubis' wanted new statute, they cannot be removed regardless of the will of the community. See also this edit by Hagnat. He removes a case that he's involved with for false reasoning. Now I'd put that back but he'd force it through A/VB as 'spamming the admin pages'. Hagnat said he would take no part in the arbitration, when this has happened in the past other users have been selected to represent the refusing party, also his notion that intermediary edits render the case invalid is patently untrue, see the case of Jorm and MOB versus Extinction, the page in the case had many edits but as Jorm was objecting to the basic content and the act of originally posting such material as content the case continued. The same was true in this case, but Hagnat decides to sweep the case under the carpet without any hint of objection from the rest of the sysops. The case wasn't even archived, here he attempts to justify his actions by summarily judging the case to be 'trolling' and saying that is not normally what happens. Odd how easy it is to prove him wrong.... You can also look at the general underlying hypocrisy of the sysops. A user asked whether my sig was illegal on Nubis' talk page, rather than leaving that user in suspense, I went to his page and cleared up the confusion. I direct you to Nubis' comment below "But as you can plainly see Iscariot has a boner for me and is stalking my talk page", yes, indeed, something appears on my watch list because I've posted there before and I'm stalking him. Contrast to this edit where he pulls out an old edit summary whilst I was performing routine maintenance on my talk page. Yet, I'm stalking him, and he's doing nothing wrong. These are your trusted users. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:06, 14 January 2009 (UTC) Thank you for your answer! But now I'm curious. How can we "fight/solve" this situation in your opinion? --Janus talk 12:27, 16 January 2009 (UTC) 2nd Warning - This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am obliged to post here to inform you of it. Please do not spam admin pages with trollish and irrelevant comments. You have already been formally warned for this and if you continue to edit in this manner you will have your editing privileges revoked. -- Cheese 14:44, 11 January 2009 (UTC) hmmm i just realised that the drama wave that started with your case against nubis (brought after i complained it was too quiet around here) still hasn't broken. That's not a bad effort imho...also, nice page :) --xoxo 00:19, 11 January 2009 (UTC) Thank you for your praise about my page. I feel the drama will never die down as long as the current administration team are sysops and mods as the situation suits them. Regarding your below comments about sysop candidacy, I too am interested in their reasons for denying promotion. Therefore, if you wish, you may nominate me for promotion, however due to drama reasons I will not participate in the discussion. You make take this comment as an expression of category four, expression of desire to become a sysop and note this on the nomination if you so wish. I will not participate in the discussion due to evidential bias on the part of the sysop team, however I empower yourself, Suicidal Angel and Pestolence to act in my stead, to respond to any questions and to be afforded the same response rights as I would have. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:02, 11 January 2009 (UTC) Holy crap Your userpage is incredible. Where'd you get the image on the top? --Pestolence(talk) 21:08, 10 January 2009 (UTC) My Main Page? The Dune scape? You'll be amazed at what you find when you type Arrakis into a few image sites....;) Thanks for the approval though, it's been driving me insane trying to get the basic page down today, it'll be tweaked when I can take the headache again. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:15, 10 January 2009 (UTC) It is epic win. I was wondering about the Dune reference on DY's page. ■■ 21:57, 10 January 2009 (UTC) Thanks! I love my GC page! You are awesome. <3 --Fiffy 13:00, 10 January 2009 (UTC) Warning - This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am obliged to post here to inform you of it. Please do not spam admin pages with trollish and irrelevant comments. This is vandalism as has been judged several times in the past. If you continue to edit in this manner you may have your editing privileges revoked. -- Cheese 22:55, 9 January 2009 (UTC) Mall Tour Why do you keep removing the '09 Mall Tour from the list? --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 16:09, 8 January 2009 (UTC) It is the desire of the Head Tour Guide not to link to the main wiki in this way until he is happy to take the Tour public. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 16:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC) After looking over everything, the tour is good to go and ready to start assembling. My thanks to Izzy for helping keeping this private until all of the start up work was complete and ready to be unveiled (nothing worse than half finished work). --Johnny Bass 19:40, 8 January 2009 (UTC) Run for sysop yeah.--xoxo 12:13, 8 January 2009 (UTC) Why? As was proved by you tenure, if the current team dislike you, the changes you make or your community support they will promptly rally round and force through a demotion regardless of community consensus. The problem isn't the system, it's the people who can't be removed by a community they no longer represent. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 12:16, 8 January 2009 (UTC) Yeah i'd just like to see their reasons for not promoting you.--xoxo 12:26, 8 January 2009 (UTC) They'd rehash the reason Grim gave for not promoting you the first time even with enough community support, compare that to Hagnat's most recent promotion, you both had the same support from the community, except that you were active and contributing and he conveniently disappeared for most of his promotion bid, leaving three aborted policies that were only for show as no-one in their right mind would pass them. Result? You were told to sod off and he was welcomed back. You'll notice that he was specifically told to use the admin pages in his most recent promotion, when was he doing that in his recent archiving fiasco? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 12:39, 8 January 2009 (UTC) Deletion I see :) Would it be meatpuppetting if a TZH's member was reported on A/VB for all those comments and found 'guilty'? --Janus talk 15:02, 7 January 2009 (UTC) No, because normal users do not get a vote on A/VB. The core of meat puppeting something is the use of a mass group of voters to enforce a change. This cannot apply to A/VB because nobody competent gets a vote there. Also they've done nothing wrong. There is no policy or precedent on this wiki that users have to be civil to each other. The case would be dismissed and give them something more to whine about. If someone was to secure enough support from the metagame community and then put all their group pages up for deletion (under a reasoning of no redeemable content), if those pages were deleted and they subsequently recreated them then they could be escalated under A/VB, and the pages recreated would be speedily deleted. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:10, 7 January 2009 (UTC) Your talk page is better than checkuser anyway what's the policy on ex-sysops around these parts? --xoxo 00:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Ex-sysops are fine. Welcome back. I'm sure there'll be some sort of changes planned for the future that will once again make this wiki an unbiased and helpful resource. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC) I'm inclined to agree there, if you're meaning the Saint's talk is much more amusing than check user.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 00:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Ex-sysops > sysops pretty much anywhere. --Pestolence(talk) 01:00, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Boxy's Talk Page Thanks for that. Liberty 00:29, 5 January 2009 (UTC) No probs, although I guarantee they find something to have a go at me for because of it. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:34, 5 January 2009 (UTC) They're conspiring against you! --Pestolence(talk) 00:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC) This is the indication of the same type of bias they used to force J3D out of office, expect Wikigate II sometime soon. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:47, 5 January 2009 (UTC) On second thought, I took the smiley out of my OP, this isn't funny. This is totalitarianism. --Pestolence(talk) 01:08, 5 January 2009 (UTC) I don't have a problem with totalitarianism, I have a problem with hypocrisy. They're sysops, but want to moderate when they choose regardless of the policies voted in or the wishes of the community. There needs to be an entire changing of the admin team, with the new team understanding that they serve the community by following the policies the community has taken the time to consider and approve. Either that or a conversion to a moderation system as Grim was trying to do, their problem wasn't with Grim's system, but with the fact he removed them from their perceived 'elite' status. I'd actually favour a moderation system, but again we'd need a complete removal of the current crop as they are entirely unsuitable. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:13, 5 January 2009 (UTC) A/A Done, although please reply to the archive warning note in future. Thanks. Linkthewindow  Talk  06:10, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Your Talk Page It is epic and it is 105 kilobytes long, according to the Warning: Internet Meltdown sign at the top. It makes me happy to see so many stupid people fall on their faces here. I just managed to crawl through the SoldierUDW funfest, and the results of it, particularily in regards to people abandoning Soldier, made me giggle like a small child. It also gave me a warm, fuzzy feeling inside, not unlike Chai Tea with a small amount of Irish Cream. I demand more. Anger more stupid people so that I may get my jollies! --DTPK 05:02, 31 December 2008 (UTC) I dub it the Vat of Quotations. ■■ 03:36, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Can you imagine some of the gems that'd be here if I hadn't removed the sysops right to edit here? As shown above however, it looks like they are setting up to randomly ban me, no cause and with the justification of "You make us look stupidz!", yeah, trusted users.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC) More proof that democracy cannot be trusted, as people in large numbers are never right. Hey, people let me Moderate forums on Brainstock - that's a vote for the infinite quality of human stupidity right there. I know that if you were a Brainstock mod, I'd be conspiring against you. Not for any particular reason, but conspiring nonetheless. Possibly plotting and scheming as well. Mind you, I'm not altogether certain that most Brainstock mods and Admins aren't conspiring to have me banned...--DTPK 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC) Democracy? Where? --xoxo 02:44, 5 January 2009 (UTC) The democracy we'll have to use to set up the Reich of Fuhrer Grimtler! -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:45, 5 January 2009 (UTC) I personally was largely in favor of Grim taking over. Things would have run far more smoothly and efficiently. And he'd been burdened with all the SysOp duties, which would have produced fatal amounts of stress.--DTPK 02:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC) You don't think he would have killed himself after losing his power and getting hit with the banhammer? He lived a pretty sad life - he had some fucked-up condition (I forget what it was) that basically meant he couldn't leave the house. --Cyberbob 02:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC) MT09'? Two things: 1. You better not fail this. Mall tours are always fun. Good luck, mate! 2. Did you draw that picture? EPIC! =D --Haliman - Talk 03:17, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Shush! No-one knows about it yet. I'm not running it, I'm just coding it. Nope, came from one of my image elves. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 03:27, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Sorreh! OMG IMAGE ELVES. I CAN HAZ SOME?! --Haliman - Talk 03:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Noez, they iz an endangerered speesheez, and I needz them. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 03:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC) Plox? I iz a good take carer! --Haliman - Talk 04:38, 31 December 2008 (UTC) RE: Arbitration Since I am apparently acceptable to both of you, the case, St. Iscariot vs. Boxy, has been opened. --WanYao 06:41, 21 December 2008 (UTC) Noticed, opening statement construction has begun. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 06:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC) You're "on the stand"... a (hopefully) brief cross-examination by the arbitrator. There may or may not be further questions -- for you, and/or boxy. --WanYao 19:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC) Please make a concluding statement in the Arby versus Boxy. Thank you. --WanYao 07:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC) /me pokes you with a stick Go look in your No More Heros talky page. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 19:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC) Oh dear sweet Lord He's back in full force. Seems rather desperate to get away from his past, too... --Pestolence(talk) 02:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC) It's OK, we know he weighs the same as a duck, and therefore floats on water, therefore he's made of wood and will burn like a true witch. Also, he turned me into a newt... I got better. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 02:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC) And apparently he shops for IP addresses at yard sales. I'm too tired to respond to this idiocy right now, but he's also banned me from his talk page. Sound familiar? --Pestolence(talk) 03:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC) Apology (Sorry for any grammar mistakes, but I'm writting on a keyboard that lacks half it's keys) It may have come to your attention that I have recently killed your character, Damon Young. I wish to apologize for that, since I didn't do it willingly. Rather, I was ordered to do so by SoldierUDW. Until this point, I had no idea of your previous "argument" with Soldier. Please do not think that I have been deceived into thinking that you have been acting aggressively towards Soldier. I have seen the messages he wrote, and I find them incredibly offending and uncalled for. So, I besides from apologizing for the error I made, I'd like to give you an unofficial apology on behalf of SZES (or, better said, ZEMA) PS: I am no longer part of ZEMA, but I thought you deserved an apolgy anyway. --Shirax 17:21, 15 December 2008 (UTC) I am glad you have seen sense and left this group and moved out from the influence of this idiot. I hope this will not sour you from working with other survivors, the best thing a survivor player can do is to join with other intelligent survivors to help the cause. I personally recommend the Mad Craskers or the Dribbling Beavers as excellent groups who will welcome you and help you tremendously in the game. Be sure to research the rules of the Rogues Gallery and get your bounty (when it's processed) removed at the earliest opportunity. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC) A reminder Oh your the f*%#*@# retard Iscarret! Your the one who probably hates "Americans", people keeps telling you they are going to report you to the administrations because of thie insults you gave them. You're the moron, you're the dumb ass, you are even more insane than SillyLillyPilly. This is why nobody woulden't even trust you on this shit because you use your job to attack other users. No duh. How about you like it if you tasted your own medicine, like the bullshit you gave to other users? -- Soldier UDW Mai Talk 23:43, 13 December 2008 (UTC) You'd think that if you'd watched the Youtube video that's linked on my userpage you'd know that I despise dumb colonials like yourself. I'm insane, am I? Quite possibly, but I can take anti-psychotics, there are no anti-stupid pills, which means you're screwed. By all means, carry on your impotent little rants and ingame activities, they amuse myself and the rest of the audience to the your car crash wiki existence. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC) UP YOURS M*#$*@#$%^&!!! :P -- Soldier UDW Mai Talk 18:28, 14 December 2008 (UTC) This is lol. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 16:36, 15 December 2008 (UTC) Back Off Do not F*&@% with me Iscariot, I' am warning you. I' am not retarted like what everyone saids and the harrassing has got to stop, so you shut your f*&%@#% mouth shut about whatever I' am doing. Its not your bussiness, so back off or I will stockpile shit on your talk page like you did to me (if you ever did). -- Soldier UDW 19:57, 13 December 2008 (UTC) HAHAHAHAHA I'd be careful, Iscariot, or he might report you for "harrasment" like he's going to do to me. --Pestolence(talk) 19:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Learn to follow page rules. New sections go at the top of my talk pages. I removed your right to comment in my user spaces a while back. The only reason that your post was not instantly deleted was because Pestolence replied to it. You are retarded. Feel free to bring whatever cases and 'shit' you like against me. I've griefed people off this wiki and out of the game before, you and your zerg army won't be difficult to deal with. Hugs, kisses and fluffy puppies, -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:06, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Oops, sorry about that. Go ahead and delete it if you want, Iscariot. But before you do, I think I should let you know that not only are you a psychopath, you're also a hypnotist who forced Janus Abernathy to leave his "group." You evil, evil man. :D --Pestolence(talk) 20:15, 13 December 2008 (UTC) None of that was in response to you dude, the numbers automatically indent, so it may look that way. Yeah, I've seen the latest episode of my new favourite show, apparently all my evil plans are being unravelled. I'll have to hide away in my secret volcano base, twiddle my moustache and stroke my token evil villain cat and think of a new nefarious plot. Have you noticed that Janus is more conversant in his second language than moron boy is in what's supposed to be the language of his country? I wonder if he's seen the link on my userpage.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC) And by the way, he's at 21 health in the Piggott Building. Just FYI. --Pestolence(talk) 20:18, 13 December 2008 (UTC) So I've just seen, he killed my Knight this morning. I'm already back. I have other things in mind for him though. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:21, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Hey there. I just wanted to say a few things (yeah, I'm talking a lot today..): -I'm sorry for all this drama I contributed to make. -Iscariot didn't force me and the AZS to leave the ZEMA; he actually gave me lots of good advices. -I'm feeling very sorry for Cortez right now. -I happen to be.. a female. Maybe I should have said that before. Sorry about this too :( --Janus talk 21:03, 13 December 2008 (UTC) You didn't cause this drama, and we're glad you saw sense and got out of that organisation. Plus the drama is really amusing, we have to make our own fun round here. Also I know you don't mean your apology, you're only making it because I'm forcing you to telepathically, my psychic powers are irresistible. The link in my sig should be to the Psi Corps, not the Gore Corps ;) I also feel sorry for Cortez, but with the wonders of the contributions list, we should be able to save others from his idiotic influence. You can't be female, we all know there are no girls on the internet ;P I'm actually a great admirer of Italian women, mainly due to this hottie. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:59, 13 December 2008 (UTC) Well, it looks like Soldier is in a wiki-coma due to us psychos "sueing his ass." Hopefully he'll stay gone for good. (although I was starting to have fun with him). And by the way, not all of us Americans are dumb. We just have more than our fair share of idiots over here, along with highly visible morons like Soldier who perpetuate the stereotype. :) It's guys like him who make me want to join the Philosophe Knights. --Pestolence(talk) 03:33, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Oh well, shame he wouldn't learn. Have you watched the youtube video that Iscariot has on his page, Pestolence? At the end it says pretty much the same thing as you. :P - User:Whitehouse 04:03, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Oh, I saw that Cortez is safe (luckily). He probably got scared about all the mess on the talk pages.. Soldier's in wiki coma, thanks to Iscariot's psychic powers; I wonder what's going to become of the ZEMA, now that his leader and Omega have resigned. Oh well. Cristina Scabbia is quite beautiful ;) --Janus talk 20:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC) Yeah, Recruitment page Hey there. I'm not here to bitch :) I understand why you removed the AZS ad from the recruitment page.. but I don't get why you removed the ZEMA and kept the SZES one. AZS and SZES are both "subgroups" so shouldn't we keep the ZEMA ad? (I apologies for my bad english. I happen to be italian and a bad student) --Janus talk 14:07, 10 December 2008 (UTC) The enforcement of the large groups rule on the Recruitment page is based on established precedent (i.e. the way we've done things before). When a group that is deemed a large group has multiple ads on the page priority goes to the ad with the oldest valid timestamp, i.e. the valid ad that was there first. For instance, if the RRF puts up ads for the Gore Corps, the main RRF and AU10 (in that order), providing the timestamp on all three was valid I'd remove the main RRF and the AU10 ones, even though the remaining ad (the GC) is a sub group of the main group because that advert was first. The precedent is based on ad cycling efficiency and the notion that large groups are entitled to solely advertise their sub groups should they wish. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC) I see about the timestamps. I don't understand your last sentence though (yes, I'm dense); does it mean we can put back the ZEMA ad and write the AZS an SZES links in it? --Janus talk 14:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC) If you put the ZEMA ad back in it will be removed as it currently breaks the Format Guidelines. If the ad is brought back into line with these guidelines, there is no prohibition to mentioning or linking other groups, sub groups or strike teams within a group ad. Simply put you can have "ZEMA is an alliance consisting of the AZS and SZES." in your ad, but the ZEMA ad must still conform to the other page guidelines. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC) Oh, I didn't know it was breaking the Format Guidelines. Thanks, I'll fix it. --Janus talk 14:55, 10 December 2008 (UTC) If you want my advice, you'll take your group and get as far away from this idiot as you can. Retarded stuff like placing Hagnat on his group's KOS list after he tried to help him out or putting sysops on the same list for doing their job is so retarded that he might need medical treatment. This policy of his caused myself and several other players that have seen it great hilarity. For the record I could probably go edit every single one of ZEMA's pages and there's nothing he could do to me. It's this kind of posturing, stupidity and disregard for that is going to get your group attacked and your personal reputation in this game tarnished by association. It's not often that Sonny and I agree, but his conduct is very reminiscent of another wiki contributer. That situation ended with the Invasion_of_Gibsonton. Basically a group annoyed Sonny, he took DORIS and it took him less than a week to wipe this group out, the only reason that conflict lasted longer was because better more experienced groups got involved. The Imperium was many times the size of your collective alliance and they lasted a week. A sub conflict of this event was the Philosophe Knights against the Necroinquisition. Soldier boy has it listed on your pages that you are at war with the Philosophe Knights, be glad the Order hasn't noticed you. It took us three days to wipe out the Necroinquisition, and we don't mean kill so they had to wait for a revive, we mean kill continuously so those players left the game. If you don't want a similar situation to occur with your groups you really need to get away from him, or stop him speaking and acting for your alliance. Edits like this where he demonstrates that he can't differentiate between a person's characters and their routine maintenence as a wiki citizen are going to get you a lot of grief. He seems to fail to realise that just because someone's character kills other characters does not mean they act exclusively for that character when they are perform tasks on the wiki. That and his actions at adding a pacifist, then level 5, pro survivor to your KOS because he was 'involved in player killing', even though that character has done more for the survivor cause than your entire alliance is simply pathetic. He's a coward, a moron and an idiot. If you want to play this game and gain any sort of respect you need to do something about him. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC) I've.. already tried to tell him about this. I'll talk to my group and try to make him see that he's not doing very good. Thanks for the advices. --Janus talk 16:00, 10 December 2008 (UTC) Sorry, I forgot to ask. The ZEMA ad's problem is only the amount of words, right? --Janus talk 15:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC) That was the problem that got it removed. I don't know if it breaks any others as well because I don't have a link to it. If it does break any others it will be removed again. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 15:28, 10 December 2008 (UTC) To avoid Soldier putting you (or your survivor character..) on the Psychopaths list again, can I ask you what was wrong with the ad? There were 180 words more or less; did it have another problem? --Janus talk 22:30, 10 December 2008 (UTC) He took me off? I doubt it. I put the text into my word program, it told me two hundred words before I put the text under the image in, over two hundred and it goes. The word limit includes all words in the ad, including links, picture commentaries and everything else except your header and signature. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 22:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC) Damn picture commentaries. 199 words now, putting the ad back. I didn't see your name on the list; Drawde and Hagnat are still there though, with no profile links.. --Janus talk 22:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC) 196 by my count, but no timestamp, put one on or it'll go on the next purge. He's got my characters Cliff Spab, Cloister the Stupid and Damon Young on there. There's no point in removing any of them if you're going to leave things like a declaration of war against the Order or other Knights on there, also leaving Saromu up there is just as bad. My advice, wipe all the KOS lists he's done, including the SZES one and institute a clear rules system for addition and removal from the list i.e. proof using screenshot of any PK, displayed next to the entry. Looking at the rules of the Rogues Gallery might help you here. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:03, 10 December 2008 (UTC) Sorry, I put the timestamp. Yeah, we usually post a screenshot along with the pker/gker's name&ID in the AZS page. I'd remove the ZEMA and SZES KOS lists but then I'm worried I'd be reported as a psychopath, so I'll tell Soldier first.. --Janus talk 23:16, 10 December 2008 (UTC) Just wanted to say that the AZS are not part of the ZEMA anymore, so I'm putting back our ad in the Recruitment Page. --Janus talk 12:42, 12 December 2008 (UTC) Neh? Coincidence?-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 04:38, 30 November 2008 (UTC) Coincidence. I've been offline due to net problems for what seems like an age. Although I find ED funny, most of the pages cause near terminal slowdown to my old laptop, so I don't often frequent the place. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:06, 8 December 2008 (UTC) You're useless Hey man I've waited and waited I've asked nicely for all sorts of help from you. I can't even get you to reply to my questions any more. Well here's what's gonna happen over on the recruitment page. I'm gonna write up the policy I like then I'm gonna get it voted through with every person I can possibly get to vote. You might want to help me write it because if you don't your buddies over at the Pk knights might end having to advertise in only 1 section of the wiki like everyone else. So once again. PLEASE HELP ME COME UP WITH A POLCIY FOR THE RECRUITMENT PAGE THAT DOESN"T DISCRIMINATE AGAINST THE DEM or don't and we'll just leave you out of it entirely--Kristi of the Dead 00:31, 19 November 2008 (UTC) Recruitment isn't subject to A/PD, it's change by discussion.--Karekmaps?! 00:33, 19 November 2008 (UTC) I have no idea what you're talking about. Reason #32 why the the ud wiki sucks? Obscure rules and pages that nobody understands except the people who are or have been in charge.--Kristi of the Dead 03:36, 20 November 2008 (UTC) For the second time this week I've managed to get on a computer with net access for five minutes. Did you not think to look at my contributions Kristi? I haven't been on because my internets are broken. I hardly have time to go through this now, when I get back we can continue our discussions. Karek is entirely wrong, if a policy passes by community vote then its subject becomes covered by it, and if anyone then acts contrary to it then their edits are vandalism, a sysop not realising this should be misconduct - but good luck getting that through the circle jerk club. I don't give two shits for your contributions you've been unhelpful, ignorant and generally combative through this entire process. You're useless and I'm tired of dealing with useless wiki people who have an axe to grind against my group. How about we log on a bunch of DEM members and see how bad we can screw with the philosophe knights...just cause we can? You're ignorance of the system is evidenced by Karek as I feel he has way more insight in the system than you have. Get a better connection or leave the page for someone that wants to actually do something.--Kristi of the Dead 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC) Karek, you are well aware of the rules of this page, the only reason your contribution was not removed is because Kristi responded to it. I take your response, given its complete arrogance and incorrectness, to be a poor attempt at trolling. The same type of trollling you warned Nubis and Conndraka against over on Arbitration. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:28, 20 November 2008 (UTC) Actually it was about clarification. The recruitment page is like Talk:Suggestions in it's creation and maintenance. It means that if a consensus can be reached the rules of the page get changed, that's all there is to it and making a policy page for it is needless excess at the very least. Basically you all need to reach an agreement as to how the page is to be maintained, not pass the buck off because you don't get along.--Karekmaps?! 18:14, 20 November 2008 (UTC) Is it true Karek that I could just say fuck iscariot and have a bunch of DEM members come and change things how we want?--Kristi of the Dead 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC) bahahahahahaha kristi don't ever change --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 10:30, 20 November 2008 (UTC) Die in a fire.--Kristi of the Dead 03:08, 21 November 2008 (UTC) love ya too sweetheart --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 03:42, 21 November 2008 (UTC) All this love makes me feel funny.--ScouterTX 03:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC) Where can I send you a image as proof Can I send you a E-mail or something? --Matt Aries 05:47, 11 November 2008 (UTC) You can PM over at Barhah.com under this user name. However if you are trying to contest page ownership, then doing it straight to me is pointless, you'll have to go through the Arbitration process on the relevant wiki page. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 05:54, 11 November 2008 (UTC) Do i get a vouch now?? Since i picked it :P I'd miss posting on your talk page though...--xoxo 05:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC) Hey. Any chance of buckling to pressure and re-voting on the talking to oneself suggestion? It looks like its going to fail to reach peer reviewed by one vote. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 09:59, 9 November 2008 (UTC) Unfortunately not. I had a valid justification on there, and then received an escalation when even Gnome admits he didn't strike my vote in the manner specified to make it a sysop strikeout. Coupled with the votes that have yet to be struck on this suggestion, including such gems as "MAH SEX IS AHN FIAH!" by one of the sysop team clearly demonstrates sysop bias. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC) I just did. You're welcome.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 12:30, 9 November 2008 (UTC) Thanks. Congrats on the culture tour. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC) Yeah, I have to say, that is kind of a big undertaking. Good job mate.-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 22:49, 9 November 2008 (UTC) Thank you both for your kind words. The tour was long and stressful, but ultimately lots of fun, as well as demonstrating that you can go round all of Malton contributing to the survivor cause with just a level 5 character. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:12, 10 November 2008 (UTC) Salt the Land Just noticed this edit of yours. No biggie for me but what history exactly? Are you claiming old RRF alts don't retire to squat the Blackmore anymore? I know from talking to Murray that RRF doesn't support Salt the Land as such except in Ridleybank of course so I'm just curious as to your reasoning.--Zeug 04:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC) Simple history. That sentence implied that it had always been the focus of the RRF's hold on Ridleybank. The focus was Moggridge PD back when Petro founded the Front. The Gray Guard retire there, not Blackmore. The only reason that Blackmore sees so much action in the 'bank is due to survivors constantly focussing on it, see tomorrow's stupidity. Because of the harmans' focus on this, the Praetorian Guard are forced to spend time there, not due to any orriding policy or tactical bias. Only Moggridge holds special significance, Blackmore is just another building. It's just the most popular location for idiots to organise themselves into buffets though. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:24, 4 November 2008 (UTC) Dear god That ranting Gryphon video was hilarious. I thank yuo deeply for letting me stumble upon its truthful awesomeness,-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 01:10, 3 November 2008 (UTC) You are most welcome, be sure to also watch: Global Warming and Do your job! There's other stuff there, but those three are the best. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC) Your sig Can you please deblink it? Feel free to keep the text but it really is irritating. Thanks. --xoxo 21:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC) Compliance. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:33, 3 November 2008 (UTC) Tak.--xoxo 01:33, 4 November 2008 (UTC) If I may ask Why do you insist on splitting hairs to the degree that you do? This is a serious question. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 10:30, 29 October 2008 (UTC) Enforceable precedent is the only thing that can guarantee consistent and fair treatment to users in this community. Given that the community has rejected the notion of making sysops into moderators time and again, someone has to remind everyone when these statutes are ignored. The constant interpretation of simple black and white rules and the inability of sysops to vote misconduct on textbook cases is a form of moderation. It is the changing or selective application of these policies without oversight or censure that is an insidious form of moderation. If a policy is wrong it should still be continued to be enforced until it is changed through the established channels. The resistance to this very simple process by the admin team whilst they continue their ways forces normal users to loudly point this out. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC) You misunderstand me. I agree with the premise that rules should be adhered to, but the degree to which you take it strikes me as... excessive. I mean, take this example. Does it not seem to you that claiming the difference between using {{s}} and <s> tags as being sufficient to make one legal and the other not is at all a little ridiculous? They both accomplish the same purpose, only in slightly differing visual ways. I don't think you're going to achieve a great deal apart from the loss of your own credibility in the eyes of most (I know you don't care about what most people think, but if you're serious about your goals then you're going to need other people on your side) and - if you insist on challenging rules in such silly little ways - perhaps even your bannage. I would even go so far as to put it to you that you even lose out to the wording of the rules - there is a clause somewhere (which I can't be bothered finding, but you should know of it given the length of time you've been around) in the guidelines that allows sysops to go against the exact lettering of a rule if it means keeping to its spirit. I don't think any of the things you have accused any sysop of doing in recent times have been in contravention of any rule's spirit. --HAHAHA DISREGARD THAT, I SUCK COCKS 10:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC) Normally the aren't different, but because the template specifically states the method that should be used it overrides that. If a sysop can't strike a vote correctly when the template telling them to do so is on the same page, how can the community trust them to be in charge of banning and deletions. Take my example about deletions, both function to remove the content, but because there is clear procedure about what a deletion means that takes precedence. Credibility on this wiki is not something I'm concerned about frankly given the conduct of those on the administration team. The policy you quote can be found here. The specific section is "Moderators, as trusted users of the wiki, are given the right to make judgment calls and use their best discretion on a case-by-case basis. Should the exact wording of the policies run contrary to a moderator's best good-faith judgment and/or the spirit of the policies, the exact wording may be ignored." There are two immediate problems with this sentence. Firstly the word 'moderators' is still in there. Policy, that users took time to debate and vote on, from February 2007 clearly states that "Each official document ranging from the System Operator Guidelines to the Suggestions page would have any mention of Moderator replaced with System Operator, and Mod replaced with Sysop." Why has this not been done? Twenty months later and this simple maintenance, the raison d'etre of the sysop team has not been done. The second problem is the use of the words 'trusted users', sysops are no longer perceived to be trusted by the community in general, the meta community that is, how many more users do you think we'd have if that was changed? As for changing the rules, again I don't think it'll allowed to happen by the admin team. Either they'll slander the user to Kevan until he uses his veto or they'll just remove the policy and take (or have someone else) take the author to A/VB. It won't happen and will kill this wiki as a community. It'll become an out of date former resource because the admin team wanted to act like Brainstock mods. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:22, 29 October 2008 (UTC) That's the document that was voted on. Here's the official policy document, which is "moderator" free. --Midianian|T|DS|C:RCS| 11:28, 29 October 2008 (UTC) It's still an 'official document' is it not? Then according to the voted policy that should have also been changed. I did have a link to a different example which demonstrated the selectiveness in application of such changes by the admin team, but I appear to have lost it. I'll see if I can find it when I get off this work computer. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 11:44, 29 October 2008 (UTC) So basically, that whole arbies case is being made because you're "rules lawyering" and because of a rule that technically isn't official in the way that people like it nowadays?-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 13:44, 1 November 2008 (UTC) Dunno, all I know is that Iscariot is normally pretty reasonable but acts very strange around the wiki. It confuses me to no end.--Karekmaps?! 18:02, 1 November 2008 (UTC) Arbies case I've ruled on the case, head over and check it out.--xoxo 01:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC) Hey, i've reduced the Southall groups down to one line, please make the entries fit into one line (for the sake of this we'll go on my monitor (17 inch, 180x1024). I'd do it but i'm not sure how to cut down the zookeepers entry or your one (the two that go over the one line measurement) so yeah. --xoxo 10:40, 29 October 2008 (UTC) Ahh scrap that, the templates on the right now. It's fine how it is. --xoxo 10:41, 29 October 2008 (UTC) Warning This is an official warning and, as this is a sysop only action, I am entitled to post here to inform you of it. Please do not unstrike your own struck votes from suggestions which have been struck as trolling votes by a sysop. Attempting to avoid this by claiming that it was blanked rather than struck does not distract from the fact that it was clearly a trolling vote that was removed by a sysop. Please do not repeat this behaviour as you may face a ban from the wiki. -- Cheese 22:40, 28 October 2008 (UTC) Yet another case of established guidelines not being followed by sysops. The process of a sysop strike is clearly different from a normal user blanking a vote, although Gnome may be a sysop he did not strike it in the correct manner meaning it cannot count as a sysop strike. It would be like a sysop removing all content from a page after receiving a deletion request and instead just removing all content from the page in question. Although functionally similar, they are demonstratively different in that any user could remove all content from a page (or blank a vote) but only a sysop can delete the page in question (or strike a vote). Enforcing the written and provable guidelines seems to be some sort of anathema to our current team of sysops. As shown above they instead decide to invent and twist these very simple to understand rules to persecute users that they are displeased with. I would debate this with you, but you have no right to reply here. That must really suck. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 10:19, 29 October 2008 (UTC) Arbies I would ask that you make a decision as to whether or not the case is going forward, or drop the case entirely. It has gone a long time with no reply, and I wish to know it's status from the starter.--Drawde Talk To Me! DORIS Яed Яum Defend Ridleybonk! I know Nothing! 21:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC) A/D Regarding your vote on several user redirect pages i have separated the case into individual cases, if you feel so inclined please recast your vote on each page relevant to how you feel about that particular redirect being kept on the wiki. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause.--xoxo 07:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC) Monkey editing. Wow. I got asked to join ages ago and i said i probably would. But then i found out how ridiculous the group was and just ignored it. Nice to see they've included me in my absence. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 11:53, 22 October 2008 (BST) Yep. I'm going to be nice and offer some wiki help, maybe point him at a firefox spellchecker. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 17:45, 23 October 2008 (BST) "Save Monroeville" Spam Vote The premise for your spam vote on Suggestion:20081017 Save Monroeville is wrong; quoting the suggester, "...every two months Monroeville restarts. Basically everyone's characters reset to lvl 1 and all their skills and items removed. " No one will have their skills / experience carried over. --Silisquish 21:42, 17 October 2008 (BST) Oh wait, I just found the suggestions page of this suggestion; I thought it was deleted. I'll post this there. --Silisquish 22:00, 17 October 2008 (BST) Feel free to delete this. I'm not sure whether or not I'm allowed to delete it myself. --Silisquish 02:19, 18 October 2008 (BST) A/A Post your case, and please hurry it along a little, this shit be dragging out. Post as if you will have no more chances to convince me of your case.--xoxo 07:46, 11 October 2008 (BST) the Perriam museum Shamble down for a revive and complete Judgewood? ■■ 01:01, 11 October 2008 (BST) Mrh? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:15, 11 October 2008 (BST) Revivificated. Oh, and can I be in the picture? ■■ 01:18, 11 October 2008 (BST) If you stick around, I was at 8AP when I arrived, so it'll be tomorrow sometime if I'm online. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:34, 11 October 2008 (BST) I'm stuck. ■■ 04:41, 12 October 2008 (BST) Yay. Do you frequent NexusWar or any other IRC servers? Also, If you didn't see it, your progress summarised :d.. Good luck, ■■ 06:22, 14 October 2008 (BST) I'm often on #rrf-ud on the Nexus War server to co-ordinate with my death cultist around 22:00 and 23:30 BST. You're following my progress? STALKER!! ;-) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 13:48, 14 October 2008 (BST) I'll try and catch you there. Indeed. ■■ 17:57, 15 October 2008 (BST) I'm there. Are you? ■■ 22:08, 17 October 2008 (BST) Hm, Going to lecture at Malton College of Medicine after Quartly Library? I'll attempt to attend the completion ceremony. I suppose if a colleague were attend, that would be akin to multi abuse.. In which case two days to Roftwood, Sounds like a film.. ■■ 04:39, 25 October 2008 (BST) Where the hell did slavery allegations come from? Anyway, about the suggestion. Yep it is a nerf to ruin, but i feel its also of benefit to ruin. Care to explain where ive gone wrong? (Please use the word asshat in your response.)--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:10, 8 October 2008 (BST) As Shatner never said "Ransack is a two faceted skill". The ruin side (the byproduct of ransack, the destroyed building itself) has recently been buffed by the update, and most suggestions recently, including your own seek to modify this in some way. The other facet is the act of getting to this point, the conflict of clearing the building and damaging it. Your suggestion buffs the first facet whilst nerfing the second. It'll mean that zombies will now have to breach the cades, see off the actives, kill the harmans and then spend even more AP to gain the damage. Hordes like MOB or The Second Big Bash are obviously not going to even notice the difference, however the small feral groups of players who happen to be online at the same time and have a good run with the RNG against the cades are really going to notice this and suffer. It'll increase the possibility of zerging meatshielding (albeit in a tiny proportion) and re-increase mall centric play, which is something I'm against. The gamespace/realspace comparison I was making is obvious, compare a large 5 star hotel's interior space with that of a back street boozer, in game they both require the same amount of AP even though there is a huge difference in their areas. The notion that malls would require more AP to ransack did not appeal to me for this reason. I understand you needed to demonstrate a 'downside' in order for the suggestion to stand a hope of passing, but I thought you picked the wrong one. Don't get me wrong, it's not a bad or broken suggestion, it's just one I disagree with, resulting in one of my rare Kill votes rather than a Spam or Dupe. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:36, 8 October 2008 (BST) Thanks for an informed and reasoned response. Unlike Shatner's singing career.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 20:46, 8 October 2008 (BST) You is creating hostile work environment badz! Jabba Fanservice This user supports slavery. Why do I encourage you.... Tell me why? --Tselita 17:25, 30 September 2008 (BST) Because you know I'm made of 100% pure unrefined awesome :D -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:51, 30 September 2008 (BST) Must be midichlorians. --Tselita 18:37, 30 September 2008 (BST) policy note lets talk about this before it turns into an edit war. honestly I don't think it needs the note at all, seeing as how it has a handy link at the bottom leading to Category:Policy, and on said page it clearly states "This page is about in-game policies. For official wiki policies, see Category:Policy Documents". having the same info twice just seems redundant.--'BPTmz 00:35, 29 September 2008 (BST) I've done more thought on the matter, and I've realised I just don't care....so i put the message back. feel free to ignore/delete these comments.--'BPTmz 02:53, 29 September 2008 (BST) Recruitment ideas. OK, ill go and have a word with the person who created The Great Suburb Group Massacre. Any idea how i find out who created that page? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:12, 28 September 2008 (BST) I forgot. It was me. What im asking myself about again? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 15:13, 28 September 2008 (BST) Come on Rosslessness, you know the rules of this page, put it in the right place next time. It was questioning whether or not there was a way of connecting the recruitment page and the group listings for each suburb page. Users could then update a timestamp and (optionally) post a recruitment add, keeping both the recruitment page and groups listings up to date. If it's possible it'll cut down on maintenance. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 14:36, 29 September 2008 (BST) Post here When you're ready.--xoxo 01:36, 27 September 2008 (BST) UZM revisions Hi Iscariot, could you leave the page at my revision? If you go down to the zed list of groups you'll find it in there at the top. It actually makes more sense as it's directly connected with the group names, and it doesn't mess with the page design ... ie it looks better. Besides, wan's edit messes with the mod notice of grims which should remain as is. Cheers mate. --Zeug 07:29, 22 September 2008 (BST) Community page. "Looks" do not come into this. You have no 'ownership' claim to the page and must submit to the will of the wiki community. The edit in its status as Wan's edit is the prevailing community consensus. This is the overriding principle of the wiki. I thought you said you wanted a war? Anyway, your right to reply on any page in my name space is hereby revoked. You are not to edit any page or talk page that is preceded by 'User:Iscariot'. I do not want cheating, zerging scum bags polluting my pages. Kind regards, -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 07:51, 22 September 2008 (BST) No worries, you guys are a riot. I'm fine with the disclaimer but will insist on leaving the mod notice as is and place the former where it belongs, right above the groups. As for scumbags well you sound like a third grader but that's what I've come to expect of the idiots that troll this wiki. You could of course just get a life instead. Cheers --Zeug 14:49, 22 September 2008 (BST) Bug Report Just letting you know that I've responded to your bug report, and that it is most likely a feature, not a bug. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 11:58, 17 September 2008 (BST) Cheers Revenant, I saw it the same day you responded. This was indeed the problem and following your advice, it has been fixed. Cheers. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:19, 19 September 2008 (BST) Recruitment page Care to comment? - User:Whitehouse 13:40, 9 September 2008 (BST) Soldier and the Special Zombie Extermination Squad The Background It is important to remember when reading this the difference between a player and their individual characters. I, Iscariot, Patron Saint of Dupes, also maintain the Recruitment page. During routine maintenance I noticed an ad that broke the guidelines. Instead of removing it, as was my right, I decided to inform the owner that they should correct their ad. This user then decided to respond on my talk page with demands. I do not tolerate demands and responded appropriately. The Continuation Soldier then decided to respond to his disagreement with myself, the player, by listing one of my characters on his group's enemy and Kill On Sight list. He did not pick my death cultist that actively hurts the survivor cause, he chose to select my Philosophe Knight. For reference my Philosophe Knight is a pacifist, does not harm survivors and is actively moving through the entirety of Malton repairing museums and libraries. Over time he has added a threat rating to the list in question and has listed my character as a 'Moderate' threat. That is on par with characters that have actually killed other survivors and higher than known and respected PKer group SillyLillyPilly. An Act of Kindness Instead of resolving the matter ingame with the murder of his entire group by my death cultist, I was forced to respond from the position of my Knight to avoid breaking the spirit of the anti-zerging rule. Accordingly I tried to be diplomatic and posted terms of surrender for Soldier to accept. Not only did he not agree to these terms, but the response he did give breached many of the terms. Resolution Based on the subject's continued actions and attitudes, I am forced to allow my Philosophe Knight to judge him, and his group, based on the Articles of Ignorance The subject is found guilty of the following crimes: Class A Slander Class B Ignorance The punishment for such crimes is clear. Repeated education by a Philosophe Knight educator or by an allied group. The group is found guilty of: Mass Hindrance Mass Slander The punishment for these crimes is also clear, addition to the Enemies of Enlightenment list and education on sight for all members The Knowledge The following are known profiles of the criminals: Soldier Zombie Hunter Recon Reporter John This edit also implies that SZES uses zerging tactics Their most likely location is The Murtaugh Motel in Penny Heights. They are known to restock in Giddings Mall. Other locations where they claim as territory are: Lavor Alley School in Pitneybank Haydon Auto Repair in Spicer Hills The Piggott Building in Spicer Hills They are known to frequent Wasteland 23,97 in Spicer Hills as a revive point. In Summation Soldier decided to select a non-combatant character to pick on due to a disagreement with that player's owner. He chose this character even though it is well known he is a pacifist and survivor orientated. By doing this Soldier reveals himself and his group as cowardly. Soldier refused generous peaceful overtones and responded with hostile acts and words. Soldier and his group have been judged enemies of enlightenment and will be added to the Philosophe Knight Kill On Sight list. Their names and profiles will be forwarded to all allied groups and organisations that the Philosophe Knights are associated with. Soldier's right to reply is hereby revoked. He is no longer welcome to post on any page in Iscariot's namespace. Precedent in Vandal Banning shows that an individual posting on another's namespace after specifically being informed that they are unwelcome constitutes an act of vandalism. Any breach will be reported. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor for Damon Young, Knight of the Philosophe Order 20:49, 8 September 2008 (BST) "l0l 0wnt"? Loved the links. Also: SZES Officer 01 SZES Officer 02 SZES Officer 03 Sorry if you don't want comments posted under this header, ■■ 02:10, 9 September 2008 (BST) You have followed the page guidelines and provided great assistance, I approve of your post! It also helps prove the question of potential zerging I feel. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:29, 9 September 2008 (BST) I wanted to die after reading his page x.o.. "Avertizement"? Wot? Logs 15, 20, and 21? lawl. It's interesting and maddening, His Incoherency.. ■■ 22:42, 9 September 2008 (BST) Cycling Suggestions When cycling suggestions, do not remove anything from the top, nor the SugVoteBox template from the voting section. Navigation is just as useful after closing than before it, and the SugVoteBox template keeps the page in Category:Suggestion Pages. Just add the template to the top and remove the things from the bottom. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 10:53, 6 September 2008 (BST) I have no idea who did it right or wrong first or last, I just made sure it's done right THIS time. Add the template, and delete everything below the last vote. Every time. Period. And no one will complain. Or shouldn't. --WanYao 11:28, 6 September 2008 (BST) I remove everything below the last spam when I cycle suggestions, but I don't bother removing the horizontal line if someone left it there. The most important thing here is not to delete {{SugVoteBox}}. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 13:28, 6 September 2008 (BST) That shouldn't be getting deleted because it's not at the top or the bottom of the page: the only places that need to be touched when cycling... Now, I honestly thought you knew how to do this, Iscariot. Probably just an oversight, I'll stop harassing you on your Talk page now! ;) --WanYao 13:44, 6 September 2008 (BST) Apology Okay, I forgive. And just for your sake I will not report about you. But under one rule: If you made a threat to my group or any of my allies' groups, I will had to declare war on your group! And to prove that I'm serious about this, you have 48 Hours to accept my appolgy. Failure would be, I don't know won't be tolerated. So to make a long story short I'm sorry and promise to stop making threats. -- Soldier 23:51, 31 August 2008 (BST) Recruitment problem Fixed Okay, I've fixed it by removing it. I admit that the flag looks like it has been made by a 8 year old. But I have to warn you, if you insult me at anything else even I don't care I had to report about it. You're lucky I don't know how but insulting will not be tolerated the second time. -- Soldier 19:29, 31 August 2008 (BST) Firstly, fuck off! Don't bring demands to my page retard. Secondly, go right to Vandal Banning, there's a link above. They'll also tell you to fuck right off, there is no civility policy on this wiki. Grow up. Thirdly, read the fucking rules crotch spawn, it's not like I put them at the top so window lickers like you would be able to find them. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:37, 31 August 2008 (BST) Behold everyone, the stupidity of this moron! He dislikes my response so goes to his group page and lists one of my characters as a 'Psycopath' (evidently English wasn't his best subject in school, nor was using a spell checker). Did he list my dastardly death cultist, a member of the renowned Gore Corps? No, this idiot decides to list my Philosophe Knight, yes, that would be the same character known to groups all over Malton as someone known for rebuilding Malton and preserving knowledge. It's not like it says on his page that he's a pacifist or anything. Picking on a peaceful librarian, how brave of the mighty Special Zombie Extermination Squad. It would be wrong of me to use my death cultist to shoot him for his blatant stupidity, that would be zerging. Accordingly I'll have to respond from the view of my Philosophe Knight. He doesn't shoot people, so, what shall I do? This idiot has 48 hours from the time of this post to write a grovelling and sincere apology and post it on this page. This apology is to be perfect in its spelling and grammar. He is also to remove my listing from his group's page permanently. The place of my listing is to be taken by an apology directed at every reader of his page apologising for his poor spelling and grammar and continued acts of stupidity on this wiki. This apology is to remain in place for three months. Failure to comply with this benevolent compromise will result in the following action: 1. He and his group shall be added to the Philosophe Knights' enemy list. Every Knight coming across himself or his group will execute on site. Unlike the Rogue's Gallery, there is no way off this list. 2. The names and profiles of his group shall be passed to all Player Killer groups allied with the Philosophe Knights. These groups include the Spartans, Lebende Tote and the Flowers of Disease amongst others. I trust the consequences are obvious. 3. As before, names and profiles will be passed to the PKA so that all member groups can add to their target lists. As various groups are in the middle of two large events, the Malton Uprising and the Player Killer Olympics, this means that idiot boy and his group won't have many hiding places at all. 4. All survivor groups allied with the Philosophe Knights will be asked to restrict aid and contact to this group. Such venerable organisations that would be approached include the Quartly Study Group, The Fortress and the Malton College of Medicine. I'd advise against 'fighting back'. The last group that tried fighting a PK coalition suffered crushing defeat and humiliation. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 21:04, 31 August 2008 (BST) Who is this fool? Why does he commit the crime of slander so freely?--DTPK 21:39, 31 August 2008 (BST) The Culture Tour 2008 Hello, is there anyway assist in anyway on your humble quest? Since I see the suburbs left are, According a map, derelict, You might care for an extra hand? As a sidenote, I've been considering attempting to join the Philosophe Knights. ■■ 02:59, 19 August 2008 (BST) All vetting of potential applicants for the Order takes place on our forum. You can login with 'The Visitor' account and apply for membership for one of your characters. Given that you may consider entry into the group at some point in the near future, being conscious of the spirit of the zerging rules, I must respectfully decline your offer of aid. Even accidentally I, nor the Order, do not not run the risk of multiple alt abuse ever. However, do feel free to follow the progress of the tour and attend the completion celebration at Quartly Library at the conclusion of my odyssey. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 22:32, 19 August 2008 (BST) Would you accept a revive? Also, Dakerstown is survivor held, Atleast in some capacity. ■■ 00:43, 1 September 2008 (BST) I accept random revives all the time, feel free. My next target is Eastonwood, I have intelligence that some of our allied survivor groups have been repairing in that area. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:48, 1 September 2008 (BST) Alright, That isn't a large deviation of my course to Dakerstown, After I finish dispatching this breach at Southall Mansion.. ■■ 01:10, 1 September 2008 (BST) With your last two postings, 11/9/08 and 12/9/08, Would you accept assistance at this point? ■■ 01:31, 14 September 2008 (BST) I will accept any assistance anyone can give me based on publicly available information. I would however still urge you to join the Order, or perhaps one of our affiliated or allied groups. Malton College of Medicine perhaps? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:21, 19 September 2008 (BST) Internal Header Whats an internal header? OK, for starters, sign your posts, put ~~~~ after your post to do this. Secondly internal headers are the sections surrounded by equals signs. They create a link from the contents box at the top. If you use more than the current section it is in you create an internal section of the preceding one. Such headers are banned from recruitment ads as they screw up the page by doing this. This is why I removed your ad, am about to do it again and will continue to do so for as long they remain in there. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:40, 25 July 2008 (BST) My 'brainstorming' page Since almost every person who ever voted on one of my suggestions ever has been complaining that I've come up with nothing but crap, I created this brainstorming page for me to develop ideas before I put them on Talk:Suggestions. I've got a couple of ideas up there already, and some feedback would be appreciated. --Blake Firedancer T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T. 11:46, 22 July 2008 (BST) Why dont you tell me what I did wrong? When I added the M-BEK pages you deleted it. Im no expert on it and im sure alot of people are so maybe you can help me cause you seem to know what youre doing.--Doctor Oberman MBEK 17:40, 17 July 2008 (BST) All ads on the recruitment page must conform to the standards set out clearly at the beginning of the page. One of these criteria is that no ad should have any internal headers of any kind. Any ad that does not conform to the guidelines can be deleted immediately. Yours was. If you'll notice, I did put the reasoning in the edit summary. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:51, 17 July 2008 (BST) Problem with the recrutment Page Hi - when I went on to update the timestamp on my recrutment advert I noticed that it was centre allingned. Upon closer inspection I found that everything from the C section onwards was centre aligned (which I know isnt suppose to be). It appears that "Cheap Ass Survivors : Pro-Survivor" groups recrutment adverticment is whats causeing it. I would sort it myself but I dont want to change anything incase I make a mistake or incase you need permission to edit peoples recrutments (I dont want to get into any trouble) - this is the reason I came to you. I know that you moniter and keep the recrutment page upto date so could you please have a look at it and see if it can be fixed. Many thanks in advance --Feon Kensai 10:19, 7 July 2008 (BST) No-one needs permission to alter any advert that is breaking any of the guidelines or is breaking the page. I've had a look at the page and ad in question and can't see anything wrong. It might just be the way my screen's set up so I'll get Whitehouse to have a look. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:34, 7 July 2008 (BST) No error in your browser, we were just looking at the wrong ad. If you look at the "C" header it was also centre aligned, as such it must have been the last ad in "B" section causing the "C" header and subsequent articles to centre. Appears that Browncoats recruitment ad hadn't closed their tags, causing articles below them to be included as part of their table and as such centred. Fixed now. User:Whitehouse 18:26, 7 July 2008 (BST) Cheers dude, I suck at wiki formatting so I thought you'd be able to pick up on it. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:31, 7 July 2008 (BST) deleted my ad i was wondering y you deleted my ad and i request that you dont do it again or i will report you. --Fanglord2 15:48, 2 July 2008 (BST) He would have deleted your ad because it was out of date. When the timestamp is two weeks old, the ad is removed. He's done nothing wrong. -- Cheese 15:49, 2 July 2008 (BST) y would he do that i never knew were were supposed to restamp it?--Fanglord2 15:51, 2 July 2008 (BST) 'After two weeks as measured from the timestamp the entire advert may be removed for inactivity / non-compliance. It is the group’s responsibility to update the timestamp to avoid having the advertisement deleted. <--- It says that at the top of the page in the guidelines. -- Cheese 15:53, 2 July 2008 (BST) oh ok sorry my Apologys i reupdated it.--Fanglord2 15:57, 2 July 2008 (BST) Don't look a gift horse in the template Play on Names This user received a template with his likeness. Get it? George Carlin duped The Last Supper as Iscariot. It's a shame that George Carlin had to die have a terminal episode for me to come up with this template Play on Names. I just didn't want to make one with a bible picture for you. Too obvious. This is much better. Enjoy. --Tselita 18:45, 26 June 2008 (BST) Please go to http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/UDWiki:Administration/Deletions and vote Keep so that the Grimch doesn't try to delete the template I made for you (and others). Thank you. --Tselita 13:06, 27 June 2008 (BST) Your services are required OK. There's a couple of my suggestions on the Talk:Suggestions page that are getting some good feedback, but before I progress with them any further, I want you to check to see if they're duplicates. Honestly, I'm useless at finding dupes as I can never really figure out where exactly to look for 'em. You, on the other hand, seem to be pulling dupes left, right, centre and any other direction one can think of. So, I would like you to search for dupes for my suggestions, to see if they should go up to Suggestions. Find the dupe #1! Find the dupe #2! Thank you in advance --Blake Firedancer T E RNL? P.I.S.I.T. 13:32, 26 June 2008 (BST) I'm rushed off my feet with the real world at the moment, so you'll forgive me for not finding the exact links. Number one (Going on the current 2.0 version on the linked page). This isn't a suggestion, this is several. That's going to get it killed as a suggestion from the start. Anyone who dislikes any aspect of the many things you are trying to implement is going to kill the whole thing on that basis. The tuning of generators to run longer (with and without a prerequisite skill) has been done before. It was generally shot down due to the massive factor of the AP balance already in favour of survivors. This will get shot down for the same reason and by trenchies who don't want PKers lighting up their Fortresses of Eternal Darkness for longer to shoot them. Number two (Going on the current suggested version). The notion of using that survivor's DNA is complex, as well as an open opportunity for zergers to have syringe mules specifically for themselves. Having it cure infection is what's going to get this spammed to death though due to the bigger implications. It means infection is no longer a problem, survivors no longer have to expend APs and revives holding malls and hospitals, this will cause an almost game breaking swing in AP balance from the current pro survivor to massively pro survivor. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:07, 28 June 2008 (BST) Rumor is Iscariot gained his dupe-finding abilities because while on a field trip, he was bitten by a radioactive dupe, and now he has the superpower of being able to find them with a special 'Dupe Sense' --Tselita 16:50, 26 June 2008 (BST) Actually I use a special superpower call "Common Sense" when it comes to dupes. It works very well. I was once bitten by a radioactive redhead....that was fun :) -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:07, 28 June 2008 (BST) RE: The Recruitment Page I think I cleared up the mess. I used the last revision by you as a basis, then added all the correct changes to that. The only ad I forgot to put back in was the DK one which I'll do now (without destroying the page). - User:Whitehouse 13:34, 23 June 2008 (BST) Torches Seriously - I want to know. If they call flashlights torches (first successfully commercially produced by Everready in 1899), what do our Brit friends across the puddle call a torch (the fiery kind)? Tell me Tell me Tell me! I need to know now. This question tortures my mind now. --Tselita 14:29, 29 May 2008 (BST) Flame torches are called torches, flashlights are called Electric torches. Answer your question?--PX 22:11, 8 September (BST) Talk:Suggestions You know I wrote the guidlines for that page right? The intent was for suggestions to be removed once discussion had ceased, the 5 days thing is just to be sure it really is dead, when the author themselves say they have no intention of continuing the discussion the suggestion can and should be removed.--Karekmaps?! 04:33, 27 May 2008 (BST) Great(!) More rules written one way and then acted on by sysops in a completely different manner. That's just what this wiki needs. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:43, 27 May 2008 (BST) Your Keep on Triangulation Keep - This is a dupe, but I like innocent bystanders being murdered, so if someone wants to dupe it they can go find the link themselves. -- Iscariot BB2 PK WTE 18:34, 25 May 2008 (BST) - This cracked me up for 2 reasons. (1) it's the second time I've ever seen you vote keep on anything (first time voting keep on something which will actually pass), and (2) the keep reasoning is hilarious :) --Tselita 18:48, 25 May 2008 (BST) I'm actually waiting someone to whine and take me to A/VB for it. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:53, 25 May 2008 (BST) Not so sure they will - like I said I think this was more about trying to 'get me' than about the structure by which I rsepond to incredibly long winded posts on my user page. --Tselita 19:14, 25 May 2008 (BST) I meant for the keep vote. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 19:23, 25 May 2008 (BST) That would be hilarious too. People are way anal about the wiki --Tselita 19:55, 25 May 2008 (BST) That Crucifix thing Wow... you've never voted keep on a single idea of mine and even I've never had that sort of animosity towards you. There some underlying history between the two of you, like there is with me and some members of the Malton Globetrotters? --Tselita 18:31, 24 May 2008 (BST) I tend not to have animosity towards people in general. While I may think certain ideas are bad, it has no bearing on my view of the people making them. However, the hypocrisy of religious dogma gets to me, as do cheating scumbags. That moron is proven to have created alts on the wiki to try and force suggestions through. Accordingly I hope he fucks off and dies. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:36, 24 May 2008 (BST) How did they prove he created them? Just curious, because no one's been able to find out who created the stupid sock puppets that ruined my nailgun suggestion. Which I'm still annoyed about. I'm probably going to be holding off on bringing nailgun v2.0 to a vote until the zombie population rises a bit. Can't really make weapon suggestions when the survivor population is doing better - it's self-defeating. --Tselita 18:47, 25 May 2008 (BST) Proof here. There are all sorts of screens and buttons that sysops get to check these things. Send your suggestion up, remember PR actually means nothing, Ankle Grab came from rejected. I'd also like to point out the current stats and the lack of whining from 'my side' as opposed to the amount of whining from 'your side' when the situation was reversed. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:53, 25 May 2008 (BST) Not that I'm implying that The Dead are 'your side' but they did quite a bit of kvetching. And there was that whole 'On Strike' thing that I've heard a lot about (though it was long before my time). I do agree that survivors acting like trenchies are far more likely to whine than zombies acting like griefers are likely to whine (again - I'm not calling you a griefer, I'm talking about the extremes on both sides). In any case, it's a moot point. I've been playing zombies lately more than survivors, despite my wiki stance, and I think I know which of my alts I am going to turn PKer. Just need to wait until work eases up a bit so I can have time to post on the forums to get advice. --Tselita 14:33, 29 May 2008 (BST) Giddings Mall Page Please stop edit warring and take the issue to Arbitration. I'm leaving the page protected until the case begins so get a move on. This has gone on way too long. -- Cheese 23:38, 17 May 2008 (BST) Get off your high horse. Just looking into the History, I can see at least 3 occasions of you being involved in the edit warring. I've put the above comment on because you were one of the 3 involved in it, and protected the page to stop the other two going at it when they come back on. Stop moaning. I'm not picking on you. -- Cheese 23:53, 17 May 2008 (BST) Sorry Sir Hi Iscariot, sorry about my "impersonation" of you, which, while related to temporary feelings of anger at being called a retard, also had a lot to do with a misunderstanding of site policy and a sudden joyous power trip realization of the kinda crap you can get away with over the internet (that suggestion was my first wiki edit evar!) Anyway, I won't do it again even if you severely piss me off, and I hope there's no hard feelings. See you round the wiki ---Pac8s BTW, I really like your alternate server idea, although it seems really complex to put into action of course. Do you have resources to do it, or are you talking to anybody about it? Obviously people object to sweeping changes of the existing Malton map, but I agree with you that Urban Dead is really far from feeling in-genre, and I think alternate cities are an excellent solution to that problem. --Pac8s 02:27, 18 May 2008 (BST) I do not have any resources to do it, computing is witchcraft to me. The development on version 2.0 stopped after it went on the suggestions page for comment. It really needs version 3.0 doing due to the Monroeville lessons, just I can't be bothered. I have another idea for an alternate server, but....can't be arsed. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 18:18, 20 May 2008 (BST) Moderation cuntdrama was perma banned as a vandal, that's why his comment was removed. Do not revert. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 00:13, 15 May 2008 Read the rules of the fucking page, it's not like I put them at the top or anything.... Who banned him? And who made the report? And who ruled on that? You better hope I don't find the answer I suspect I'm going to find or you can go ahead and write your next misconduct case yourself. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:18, 15 May 2008 (BST) Are you tripping on shrooms kiddo ? First of all, yeah it was me the one who banned him. His user name was a offensive towards a established user from this community, that alone is reason to ban him. Would you like us to take lightly on a Shitcariot user who were only harrasing every edit you make ? He also posted a goatse picture in the wiki, you think that's good faith ? He even dedicated it to conn. Now... put your gun where your mouth is, or STFU... i dont need an ass threatening me every time i do my job in here. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 00:27, 15 May 2008 (BST) Actually, I think he'd just laugh if somebody named themselves shitcariot. It'd be funny if you asked me. I wish I had a vandal named after me...-- dǝǝɥs oʇ ɯɐds: sʎɐʍ1ɐ! 00:36, 15 May 2008 (BST) Pooicidal angel? Shagnat? Smelita? Twitscariot? --Tselita 14:37, 29 May 2008 (BST) OOooOO! Is Santlerville the only burb in Malty with no librarys or museums? Or are you boycotting for some other reason? And why doesn't the tour include schools?--xoxo 12:01, 3 May 2008 (BST) Unless you can show me otherwise, or I've missed something (possible given the speed with which I made that list) then I believe that Santlerville is the only suburb that doesn't play host to a library or museum. No wonder the population spend most of their time drunk.... I've been meaning to go ask the Beavers for suggestions for an alternative location to visit in order to include Santlerville in the tour. I deliberately kept schools out due to the nature of the school system and teachers to sour peoples' attitudes to education and self betterment. I still need to get confirmation on the layouts of the mansions, studies and libraries there will also be included, but the wiki seems to be lacking. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 12:08, 3 May 2008 (BST) Yeah i can't think of one of the top of my head. Us Santlervillians are more the shopping and drinking type, although we are also quite religious and don't like to travel, with only one railway station in the suburb. The Sweatman Motel is a great place to go if you're looking to expand your mind. If you didn't think one person being twenty people was possible, just check the pavement outside The Sweatman, it's mind blowing.--xoxo 13:04, 3 May 2008 (BST) Recruitment Removal Hi - I know that yesterday you removed the Deck of 52 recrutment post. I need you to tell me what the date on the time stamp said please because I think I may have made a mistake with timing/schedual for when Im to update the timestamp - can you please get back to me on this and help me out - THANKS in advnace --Feon Kensai 16:28, 2 May 2008 (BST) Thank you for your time a quick responce - I guess I got my timing wrong LOL (will up date it weekly now) - I promiss this wont happen again and sorry. I have to commend you for your quick action of keeping the recrutment page up to date though ;) - nicly done. Thanks again for your time - you helped a lot (I have a bad memmory). Cya around. P.S: Sorry I put this subject at the bottom of the talk page :( - I will pay more attention next time --Feon Kensai 13:46, 3 May 2008 (BST) They're asking questions Over here, just thought you should know *nods and walks off* --xoxo 08:50, 26 April 2008 (BST) Yes indeed. It struck me as curious that despite being inactive for two months, you were able to check the PK forum nearly every day. That's why I sent you the private message earlier. (Also because my job as the PK's on-duty librarian is in part to maintain the active member lists and other information in the library reference collection, and I was trying to figure out how to place you.) -- User:VI/signature 00:43, 30 April 2008 (BST) Ha ha ha! That's hilarious. And to think I've been totally confused all this time. I've seen the sort of window-thing you're talking about before, so I know what you mean. Anyway, sorry about bothering you. Spies are no threat at all to the Knights, but I keep my eyes open regardless, partially because it's fun to find them, and partially because having a the PK riddled with spies would sort of destroy our reputation as mysterious and esoteric. -- User:VI/signature 00:50, 30 April 2008 (BST) I look forward to it. It seems you have your work quite out out too, what with the state of things these days. Praise Knowledge, as they say. -- User:VI/signature00:57, 30 April 2008 (BST) Our Talk Iscariot, I think we should continue our talk in your page instead of in Gab's since it no longer has anything to do with anything he was saying :) What did you mean by me being a bad luck charm since one of my characters tends to be in the Buttonville area? --Tselita 00:21, 25 April 2008 (BST) Feel free to move the whole thing over here so it doesn't clutter his page. You? Bad luck? Have you read the Zombie forecast? -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST) You said: "Somebody has to speak up for zombies on that page otherwise we'd have survivors in mechs. My 'PKer' doesn't kill anyone, and is actually on a tour to visit and repair buildings... yeah, he helps zombies ....:P I think you're confusing pure DCing with other things, however you are definitely misunderstanding what I mean by fun! ;) -- Iscariot" Oh I have no problem with you sticking up for zombies. I actually like when you point out dupes for me so that I don't make a fool of myself in Suggestions. And the comment you made about letting zombies use sledgehammers I think got me a few keep votes when I made sure to make it clear that zombies -can- use sledgehammers. Dupes are easy to point out, just waste some time on the old suggestions. I still don't like that sledgehammer suggestion, but with support like that it's a bit pointless bothering. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST) I realize that right now I am basically a pro-survivor suggester (although my not enough shotgun suggestion was definitely not pro-survivor), but that's only because I started playing the game right when The Dead started playing so I have a certain view of things. I do try to make my suggestions balanced though... you never see me suggesting mechs or machine guns or flamethrowers, now do you. There's nothing wrong with being prosurvivor, there's something wrong with being trenchie, you don't want to do that. Go hang out with the classy survivors at Beerhah. You'll notice that the majority also have zombie alts.... -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST) And if you're a PKer who kills for some actual purpose, rather than wanting to make people who take the game tooooo seriously cry, then I commend you :) Don't kill people full stop. Complete pacifist, wearing the garb and group tag of one of the oldest and well known PK groups in the city. That's fun. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST) Actually, my favorite PKer group is Red Rum - I actually have considered making a PKer character and seeing if I could join them. They're one of the few PK groups I've seen who actually look fun. Convert one of your current survivors, it's hell if you start PKing from level 1. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST) I just don't find that playing my zombie would be fun if I was being total zombie/Death Cultist, at least while the Dead are on the march. I'd feel like I'm taking advantage of a bunch of cheaters being currently in the game. Even though that wouldn't make me a cheater, i'd feel like one by association. --Tselita 00:21, 25 April 2008 (BST) Some people, even career zombies, don't like DCing. TBH I only use it as a label for shorthand, I've been working on a philosophy of something very different for a potential new group. Playing a zombie doesn't mean you have to associate with The Dead. I recommend RRF or MOB, I know people in both (as well as a few other hordes) and they'll look after you and make you smile in ways you didn't think possible in this game (see Zoey and I singing and dancing in the middle of a safehouse being destroyed). Once you have a zombie alt, you'll realise where the fun is in this game. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 00:36, 25 April 2008 (BST) RE:Recruitment Hey, I'm no longer looking after that page. Had to give it up to deal with real life stuff. It'd be great if you'd be willing to keep it tidy. - W 23:40, 22 April 2008 (BST) 14 days and out is correct. I used to edit out ads that had minor flaws (using <!-- / -->), and I'd delete ads which breached the major rules. Either way works, you should leave a dated comment under the removed ads header explaining what was wrong. If they don't do anything within two weeks of your comment, just remove the header. Good luck. - W 23:53, 22 April 2008 (BST) Can I pick your mind? Hey, I was reading on the posts and you seem to know every dupe ever posted so could I question you on those grounds?Gabdewulf 04:39, 21 April 2008 (BST) A Zombie respawn, basically when a zombie is killed, they stand up somewhere other than where they were killed, has been already been suggested, right?. Do you remember where or when? Also, walls or other means of limiting travel and zombie's human memories of building names, what kind of suggestions have been brought about these? Gabdewulf 16:44, 21 April 2008 (BST) My focus is strictly on Malton. I didn't get into Monroeville because it seemed purely temporary. Yes it was always designed to be temporary. While, yes, low levels zombies have to spend a sizeable chunk of the current game day standing up, how many days of game play are lost by pro-suriviors when thier killed? A pro-surivior has to stand up, travel to a rp, and wait and hope that someone is reviving. Also with the current state of the city, a great many of the RP are abandoned. As far as time goes, pro-surivior suffer higher penalties for getting back in the action after death even when compared to a zombie being head shotted every single day. Because at the very least, a zombie gets to play thier character every single day. You don't have to just go be a mrh? cow at a RP, you could scout, move about, decade overcaded buildings. Also, its been my experience that very few low level zombies worry about the 2ap traveling by zking, unless maybe thier a meat shield, to get the early skills. 2AP to move hurts, a lot. Also ZKing cuts your XP gain in half, and remaining stationery broadcasts your position to trenchies who then headshot you for more AP loss. Creedy fell cus the zombies focused on the fort, while the defenders focused on the nieghborgood. And, even with the entire neighborhood's buildings being pretty heavily secured, the zombies just strolled past and started the seige on the fort. And this is the agruement for walls/movement and/or removal of bulding names. The repeated pattern seems the mass of zombies skiping into green neighborhoods, destroying the resource buildings with meat shield tactics, and letting lower levels finish the suriviors. Erm, no. Creedy fell because forts are death traps. The Bash used the same tactics against a mall and were stuck for two weeks. I should know, I was there. Zombies are supposed to go into green suburbs and eat everyone, that's the point of a zombie apocalypse. You are evidently confusing meat shielding tactics with something else, meat shielding is a survivor tactic. Allowing low levels to gain the kill bonus is entirely legal, survivors could do the same if they got organised. But even with the current numbers of s/z, the survivours are being crowded into a smaller area. The majority of the city is at the red level and kept there by alts so the survivours can't escape. The overcrowding causes survivours search rate to increasingly reduce, which will cause the city to shrink further. What happends when the zombies finish destroying the city? How many players will/have left by then? What search rates are you on about? Search rates are at the highest they've ever been since I started playing the game. I remember when it took a week to stock up on ammo. I do that now in a day. And the agruement about zombie player being a minority is that zombie player, when revive, are PKing. When surivours die, they either zombie or are waiting to revive. gabdewulf 22:56, 22 April 2008 (BST) Yes, your point? Also, not all zombies PK, the major hordes actually have rules against it. There should be a downside to dying as a survivor, otherwise everyone would have instant revives and we'd be playing Urban PK. And how are you having trouble finding a revive? I have The Big Bash in my group heading and have no problems. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 23:11, 22 April 2008 (BST) Hey Iscariot? Hope you realize that I don't actually hold anything against you personally, despite that we might have... spirited... arguments and debates on talk:discussion, k? *pause* Oh and 28 days later is a hard science fiction zombie movie, and zombies are dead, not undead. :) --Tselita 20:36, 19 April 2008 (BST) If you think those are spirited arguments then you live a very sheltered life :P Zombies are undead, dead things don't move around, zombies do. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:45, 19 April 2008 (BST) (gasp) Iscariot.... Are you... are you no longer the ultimate dupe finding machine? Gatehouse View? I rely on your counsel in all matters dupe-finding! :) Or did you not feel that was a dupe because of the lack of suicide ability? Did you fail me because I haven't gotten you the Doomsday girl yet - I'm trying, I swear. She isn't returning any of the calls. Thanks :) --Tselita 15:09, 22 May 2008 (BST) You doubt me? The Patron Saint of Dupes? I shall smite thee with terrible vengeance and furious spamming, and ye shall know that I am Iscariot! I've had a busy week at work and most of my spare time has been spent watching Jericho. It's also a dupe of something in PR, I don't go there by and large, it's full of either sensible ideas, or ones more retarded than the ones in Rejected. Yes, keep working on my pretty thing, you aren't trying hard enough. :P You may substitute Cristina Scabbia if that's easier for you. On the subject of films, the new Indiana Jones is god awful, avoid at all costs. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 01:29, 24 May 2008 (BST) Group Deletion Hey. We no longer delete defunt group pages. As long as no one claims that name for themselves, these group pages can stay there forever. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 20:02, 15 April 2008 (BST) Re: Keep Votes There is a small box next to the votes that says: Votes must be numbered, justified, signed, and timestamped. Votes that do not conform to the above may be struck by any user. No matter if it's a keep, kill or spam, "THIS GIVES ME A GIRLBONER" doesn't really count as a justification and (as I also put in my reasoning) inane. -- Cheese 19:54, 15 April 2008 (BST) Mall Tunes Hey Iscariot, I realize that this has been an issue in the past, but is there any way that we could keep the Mall Tunes section on the giddings page?William Joel 21:07, 13 April 2008 (BST) are you refering to the whole happykook thing?William Joel 00:19, 16 April 2008 (BST) Ok you win I am not going to post anymore on the Bayonet Suggestion. Reading back over everything I think I have been too defensive. So, I came here to say I was sorry. I was incorrect that a "blood groove" assists in the removal of a bayonet from a target. Ok, I was wrong. It is there to reduce the weight of the blade. I am not looking to have problems with you, so I am dropping this issue. As I see it, we had a difference of opinions and that is it. From here on out, I have no issues with you. --Airborne88T|Z.Quiz|PSS 01:26, 8 April 2008 (BST) Thanks! That little rat is sooo cute! And thanks for the message =) That video is hilarious, Rex Manning....total douchebag! Actually, kinda reminds me of Gunther, ooooh you touch my tra la la --Fifth Element 09:43, 26 March 2008 (UTC) Monroeville Dear Iscariot , first i would like to thank you for fixing the PPD wiki page. I'm a newbie when it comes to editing the pages but am trying my best . Concerning the target list for WTE our scouts have been in certain areas witnessing and takeing survivor evidence of attacks . I ADMIT we have no proof of it being you guys . It has been speculation so far, as you guys are the most organized in this burb. Concerning this and pov, i will try and tone down the messages left on the burb page . But if you'd like to just tell us where you are to confirm our sightings we will gladly bring donuts ,coffee and little tents for when you are sieging buildings .Hope to keep in touch.--Flub 13:31, 24 March 2008 (UTC) Your arby against happykook please, plenty of arbitrators hav offered to arbitrate your case. Please, list all those whom you would agree to arbitrate the case. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 23:03, 23 March 2008 (UTC) yeah, totally missed it. Next time move the arbitration to the proper page once you have decided on an arbitrator. --People's Commissar Hagnat [cloned] [mod] 23:55, 23 March 2008 (UTC) The case has started. Please prepare your opening statement.--SeventythreeTalk 09:57, 24 March 2008 (UTC) Giddings I've locked the page to stop the revert war that has sprung up and I request that you and Happykook take the matter to arbitration to sort this out. Until it is sorted, after I unlock the page, neither of you is to restore or remove the tunes until a ruling is reached on the matter. -- Cheese 23:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC) I'm going to ask that you leave Happykooks edits alone for just now. I don't want this to boil over. Please could one of you bring an arby case so we can begin getting this mess sorted out. -- Cheese 00:08, 14 March 2008 (UTC) Please leave his edit to the Danger Report stand for now. This needs to be sorted out as I can tell that if it's not, this is going to turn into an all out flame war, which we really don't need. -- Cheese 00:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC) I know. I'm asking this so that we can avoid name calling and accusations for the time being. Could one of you please make an Arby case so that an arbitrator can get this sorted out. -- Cheese 00:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC) You have been served an Arbitration Case by Happykook. I personally will be willing to arbitrate (if you are willing) as I have a clear knowledge of the case and know the grievances of both sides. -- Cheese 23:59, 20 March 2008 (UTC) You'll need to pick another arbitrator as Karek has withdrawn an offer. -- Cheese 20:20, 22 March 2008 (UTC) Aye I'm off the table, however I do recommend you reconsider both Hagnat and Seventythree, they are two users that I would trust to arbitrate a case I'm involved in and I have little doubt they would attempt to settle the dispute in a neutral and proper manner.--Karekmaps?! 02:31, 23 March 2008 (UTC) Have a template Kill It Forward This User or Group Kills it forward. Killed in Monroeville? kill someone else! Thought Id return the favour. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:09, 27 February 2008 (UTC) Damn the Man! are you perhaps an Empire fan? ;) --xoxo 07:55, 15 February 2008 (UTC) 'shock me shock me shock me with that consistent behaviour'. you said it regarding survivors voting on some suggestion... :P good to find a fellow lover. There's a complete script someone on the net that i occasionally flick through just to amuse myself. We should def get an empire template going...--xoxo 03:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC) Yeah i used to think that SexyRexy was named after THE sexy rexy, not some random nfl player...--xoxo 00:43, 5 March 2008 (UTC) We mustn't dwell... no, not today. We CAN'T. Not on Rex Manning day. And don't thank me, thank Gina ;) --xoxo 11:25, 25 March 2008 (UTC) More A/VB A few points: Sign your posts Present accurate diff comparisons. Skipping revisions in diffs without providing a damned good explaination as to why is extremely deceptive and is usually an attempt to get another person in trouble for impersonation when none has happened. A/VB is not for asking about things. Go to the talk page of another sysop, or the A/VB talk page to make requests, otherwise it will be seen as a charge and dealt with appropriately. --The Grimch U! E! WAT! 16:59, 6 February 2008 (UTC) A/VB "I'm asking for nothing short of a perma-ban."... seeing we didn't permban him, does that mean you refuse to accept the warning? ;) Just a little tip, don't tell the sysops what their decisions should be, or you'll end up being called a back seat mod. BTW, what's happening with the arby case? Chimera gone into hiding or summit? -- boxy talk • i 08:20 31 January 2008 (BST) It was late over here, and in typical zed style I was eating harmans and washing it down with a brew of known provenance (Caffery's if you're interested). I just hate sore losers who go for juvenile insults when they've got nothing else. Did you see us doing the same when the Bash stalled? I haven't heard anything from Chimera, I shall check the precedent in such circumstance tonight and try and get this moving again. -- Iscariot 15:02, 31 January 2008 (UTC) Arbitration Thanks for your message. I am a new wiki user, and I am totally unfamiliar with the arbitration process. Could you possibly provide a little guidance for me? I'm not sure where to find the rules and policies. I'm also not sure how I'm supposed to go about choosing the best arbitrator, for all I have to go on right now are user profiles. Is there a way for me to access their past decisions? Thanks! --Chimera 20:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC) Looks like Chimera has accepted you, as have I -- boxy talk • i 10:08 25 January 2008 (BST) Sorry. I was looking at those proposals, really liked what I saw, but was put off by the bad use of punctuation. As such, I corrected them in order to make the page look more presentable. I was unaware that this was considered vandalism, and therefore apologise for my actions. Magnum Odus 00:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC) Thanks for the rat! I appreciate it. --Sexy Rexy Grossman 02:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC) An alternative point of view. Just reading your comments on siege descriptions. Shaun of the dead. None to start with, but when david says there was only a couple before you came here, how many are there here now and di says "lots". You CAN hear moaning and some glass breaking. Also how about in the winchester after Ed wins the jackpot on Ooh Aah Dracula, and you hear all the zombies groaning before they attack, or before they break through into the celler? 28 days later is not a zombie film. Sorry. Resident evil. Can't hear the zombies inside the red queens control area. An underground bunker, with laser defences, where even the glass walls of the flooded lab let through only a dull thump and are strong enough to hold back the weight of an entire room of water.. Thats a secret base, under the ground. Designed specially to stop outbreaks moving between sections. So I assume soundproof. Day of the dead. When outside you can hear them. When down a lift, across a car park and into an underground lab. No sound. That isnt the same kind of distance as the otherside of a hastily barricaded door to a mall. I of course understand your no x ray vision argument and in all honestly its probably a bad time to suggest it 38% zombies and all that. But hey. opinions.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:11, 15 January 2008 (UTC) OK, let's see: SOTD - I'd be putting that down to him just having gotten in with the window still open, how many can you hear when Shaun and Liz are talking things over or when they're talking about Shaun getting them satellite? 28 Days Later - Really? I'd love to hear your explanations for this one, as, not to put too fine a point on it, I know film scholars who disagree with you. Resident Evil - If it was designed to stop infection spreading, RQ wouldn't have killed everyone in the entire base. Also you can't hear the zombies 'sneak up' on them in the underground walkway until they attack. Day of The Dead - Exactly, you're outside, if survivors go outside in UD they get the information this gives for free, I have no problem, but the action of going outside costs AP. Also in Dawn they are on the other side of a hastily barricaded door in a mall and can't hear a thing.... Barring us disagreeing on our definition of hastily, a fine reposte sir. Good to see that discussion is still alive. 28 days later is not a zombie film because. No one says zombie Headshots are not required, see various machete attacks, land mines. The infected are not dead. Otherwise why would they starve "to death". Its a blood transmitted infection, and spit and vomit. Its seems strange to me that the blood of the infected would be so fresh. Are the hearts still pumping? The zombie soldier was knocked out, before being tied up. Ever see a zombie knocked out? Look at the corpses in the film. The heros parents, those in the cafe, nothing like the infected who barring their eyes, have a very alive appearance. As the taxi driver is infected, he slowly looses control of his actions. Hes not alive, then dead and then back, its a gradual process as the virus takes over his body. The infected dont consume flesh, they are only infected with rage, the need to infect others, there is no feeding dynamic. Biting is not key. The animal welfare people seeing the monkeys believe them to be fine. In the sequel theres a women who has the disease, but appears normal. How can she be dead? The Infected? Does that imply dead? Or an active carrier? Have a present. Zombie Nazi This user is particular about zombie films. 28 days later is not a zombie film. Now, you can argue its a very zombieish film. But its really a viral outbreak film like quatermass or outbreak. I love monkeys.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:18, 15 January 2008 (UTC) Oh and do you have the DVD? Look at the alternative storyboard ending. where cillian murphy undergoes a complete blood transfusion with the taxi driver to bring him bank and condemn cillian to the life of an infected. That shows he isnt dead. No dead = no zombie.--RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 22:21, 15 January 2008 (UTC) I need to mention that actually, 28 Days Later (and the sequel, 28 Weeks Later) -are- zombie films .... but only in the same way that I am Legend is a zombie film. It's a 'hard science' version of the zombie film genre, where they are not actually referred to 'as' zombies and they don't share one Romero zombie similarity - ie, they are not dead. Hard Science Fiction tends to try to do things in a way which is scientifically still plausible - having the dead actually come back to life is not plausible in a realistic setting, but having a population being in a state that mimics a zombified state for all practical purposes IS plausible, hence hard science fiction. It's worth noting that real life cases of 'zombies' in the carribean are also not dead, but rather 'bereft of any will of their own'. But other than the not being dead part, the infected in 28 days later (and I am Legend, and The Omega Man) are zombies, and all three movies are still classified as zombie movies (even the authors of the books which those movies were based on stated that it fell into the zombie genre).--Tselita 18:15, 8 April 2008 (BST) REing Hey. Listen. Next time the discussion gets moved to the talk page, can you just continue it there? --•▬ ▬••▬ • •••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬ #nerftemplatedsigs 20:54, 15 January 2008 (UTC) I was expanding my vote, as allowed, for when Kevan would ready that since unfortunately it's heading into PR. It wasn't really discussion, just an expansion and clarification of what I'd already said. But cheers for the multiple fixes. -- Iscariot 20:56, 15 January 2008 (UTC) Congrats! A.L.I.C.E. has promoted you to Rank 2 (Recon Scout), as you have posted over 25 scans to date for NecroWatch since January 1st, 2007! You are free to update your NecroBadges template to Rank=2. 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