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This page is for the request of page deletions within the Urban Dead wiki. Due to concerns about loss of data, the ability to delete pages is restricted to system operators. As such, regular users will need to request a deletion from the system operators. For consistency and accountability, system operators also adhere to the guidelines listed here.

Guidelines for Deletion Requests

All Deletion Requests must contain the following information in order to be considered:

• A link to the page in question. Preferably bolded for visibility. Note that Category and Image links need a colon at the front to turn them into links (ie [[:Category:Category]] and [[:Image:Image.jpg]]).
• A reason for deletion. This should be short and to the point.
• A signed datestamp. This can be easily done by adding ~~~~ to the end of your request.

In addition to placing a request on this page, please place the {{delete}} tag on the top of the page that is being recommended for deletion. Please make sure that the original content remains on the page, so that others can judge whether the page is worthy of deletion.

Any deletion request that does not contain these three pieces of information will not be considered, and will be removed by a system operator.

Once the deletion request has been entered, the request shall remain on this page, where it will be voted on for a period of two (2) weeks, as judged by the initial datestamp. At the conclusion of this two weeks, the appropriate action will be taken by a system operator, and at the end of that day the request will be moved into the Archive.

Certain types of pages may be better being scheduled for deletion in order to reduce the amount of red tape and stop this page getting too cluttered. To lodge a request for scheduled deletions, head for UDWiki:Administration/Deletions/Scheduling.

Deletion of pages that match a certain criteria may be better serviced by a request for a Speedy Deletion. Speedy Deletions are for removal of pages that are clearly of no value to the wiki, and do not incur the two week voting requirement. Speedy Deletion requests can be lodged at UDWiki:Administration/Speedy Deletions.

Speedy Deletion Eligibility

To be eligible for a Speedy Deletion Request, the page must fall under at least one of the following criteria:

1. No Content: The page contains no more than a line or two of content that cannot clearly be expanded, consists of random or incoherent content, or is duplicated elsewhere to no purpose.
2. Off-Topic: The page is a clearly off-topic page.
3. Unused Redirect: The page is an unused or underused (ie, only 1-2 pages using the link) redirect.
4. Empty Category: The page is a Category page that has no entries within it.
5. Missed Talk Page: The page is a Talk: Page from a previous deletion request that has not been deleted with the request (please note the relevant deletion request if this is so)

   As of 19 May 2010, Crit 5 is now a scheduled deletion.

6. Deletion Workaround: The page is a duplicate of a page that has been deleted from a previous deletion request (please note the relevant deletion request if this is so). A page that fits this criterion is immediately qualified for deletion without requiring it be nominated on the 'Speedy Deletions' page. Recreating a page that fits this criterion will get you a polite message to stop doing so. Any further infractions of this nature will qualify as vandalism and will be treated as such. Note that criterion 6 does not apply when the page has been restored through Undeletions.
7. Author Edit Only: The page has been requested for speedy deletion by the original author, and has been edited only by its author. Note that edits by adbots or vandals and reverts caused by them do not count.
8. User Page: The page is a User subpage that has been requested for speedy deletion by the original author.
9. Personal Page (Prefix Rule): The page is named after a user without the "User:" or "Journal:" prefixes and its content has been moved to the appropriate User or Journal page. Includes pages that should be User subpages, ie. in-game characters.

   As of 2011, August 29, Crit 9 is now a scheduled deletion.

10. Unused Template: The page is a template that has existed for at least one week and is currently unused within the wiki.
11. Non-existent User Page: The page is a User: page for a user that doesn't exist, and any content on the page has been moved to the appropriate User: or Journal: page.

    As of 20 June 2009, Crit 11 is now a scheduled deletion.

12. Defunct group page: The page is a non-historical group page, it is over two months old, it has not had an update in a month, and is not on the stats page. Such pages will remain in the queue for 5 days to determine their defunct status has been correctly identified. Due to the large number of pages that fit into this criterion, please {{speedydelete12}} on the pages to ensure that they are categorized differently from normal speedy deletion requests.

    As of 2007, September 16, this is no longer a valid criterion.

13. Missed sub-page: The page is a sub-page from a previous deletion request that has not been deleted with the request, and that serves no individual purpose (please note the relevant deletion request).

A page may also fall under a scheduled deletion and should be posted here if it is missed by the sysops.

Guidelines for Voting on Deletion Requests

• One vote per user.
• Voting should take place underneath the request, and each vote should be started with a # with no empty lines inbetween votes.
• There are four vote types:
  • Delete. For agreement with the deletion request
  • Merge. For indication that the content on the page should be merged with another page (includes an implicit Delete).
  • Speedy Delete. For indication that the page meets one of the Speedy Deletions Criteria (includes an implicit Delete).
  • Keep. For disagreement with the deletion request.

• The specific vote keyword should be bolded within the lodged vote. Any relevant comments are also allowed, but these should not be bolded.
• At least one Delete vote must be entered by the deadline in order for a page to be deleted. System operators may not use their own vote after the deadline to delete a page.
• If more Delete votes are entered than Keep votes, the page will be deleted. In any other circumstance, the page is kept.
• If 3 Speedy Deletes are lodged, and there are no Keep Votes, the page will be deleted as per Speedy Deletions.

Deletion Queue

New deletion Requests should be placed at the top of the queue to preserve ordering.

United Zombies of Malton

This does not belong on the wiki in its current form, for the following reasons.

And, yes, this is complicated, and I thank you for your time in dealing with it properly.

1. This page duplicates information already freely available on the wiki. To see what I mean, select a group, connect to the external website/portal, and you will see that link you are taken to is dominated by a frame containing that group's wiki page
2. The page is misleading and deceptive. Specifically, if you click on a link to one of the groups you can see a chatbox and various other pieces of information that make it seem as if you're actually connected with and talking to members of the group in question. This, however, is not the case: these interal links/chatboxes, etc. -- as well as the links provided off the UZM page -- are solely the creation and province of zeug and Extinction. Meanwhile, these groups have their own metagaming "infrastructures" and neither need nor desire to be part of this one.
3. The page is misleading and deceptive in another way: its very name, as well as its structure, implies "alliance" or "association" between the included groups -- as well as actual consent to be included -- where no such thing exists. The exact contrary is, in fact, the case (see below).
4. At least 4 groups -- the RRF, MOB, Hambargar Halparz and Infected Swarm (the first two being among the top 4 player groups in UD for overall membership) have asked to be removed from this page / list. These requests have been patently dismissed and ignored by zeug/extinction. Because these large groups -- representing a significant portion of the zombie metagame community -- are in no way connected to the project, and do not wish for any connection to be even implied, any perceived connection is highly problematic, misleading, disingenuous, and not at all in good faith.
5. Now... let's be blunt... In effect, despite claims to the contrary, the UZM is an Extinction propaganda project. It is hosted by zeug/extinction, as can be seen by the browser icons when you connect with the portal. It does not represent any "united zombie" umbrella (as explained) -- in fact a number of major "players" in the zombie community have clearly expressed their displeasure with being listed and associated with this tool. Thus, it is disingenuous, to say the least, to represent it as anything different -- or to present it as merely an "open player resource". --WanYao 18:50, 22 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete - As above. --WanYao 18:50, 22 September 2008 (BST)

   Question - This page had existed in this form for more than a year. Why the sudden interest in it now? -- Cheese 19:10, 22 September 2008 (BST)

   Simple, I think: no one noticed it before then. Now, however, we have noticed. And...ah, and I just clicked the links in the old version: and that version takes you to the Groups' wiki pages. Period. Annoying, maybe, but ultimately innocuous. This new page is an external web-monster, and thus a totally different beast. See points 2 and 5 in particular. That's my own personal answer, anyway. --WanYao 19:26, 22 September 2008 (BST)

2. Delete - As above. --Papa Moloch 18:58, 22 September 2008 (BST)
3. Keep - 1. The UZM Zombie Portal provides a service to the whole community both survivor and zombie by collecting info that is widely dispersed across the wiki and providing an easy open access point.

   - 2. This is my project and independent of Extinction which is treated the same way as the others and included. Some groups do use the shoutboxes and I usually give them the cbox admin pass to control it themselves, the Undeadites are an example.

   - 3. The inclusion of barhah.com is in the interests of providing a full coverage of the UD Zombie-verse.

   - 4. It is both for zeds to use, as some do, and for others to browse, including any interested survivors. The inactive shoutboxes are there for tourists to chat, or they could be used by a survivor group who may wish to track the MoB for instance.

   - 5. It was built over a year ago, and since the main problem here seems to be the term 'United' I could redirect the page to something like UZM Zombie Portal and change the logo. --Zeug 19:22, 22 September 2008 (BST)

4. Delete - Extinction in a popular vote situation? Goodbye page, so long, farewell! -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:58, 22 September 2008 (BST)
5. Keep and Edit? - I'm new to this whole wiki vote/edit war thing...but...if iwitness and other tools like that can have wiki pages, I don't see why this can't have one. There's four zombie groups that DO use the thing, along with the four that want nothing to do with it. It's a resource out there, and it's being used. Most of your issues are with the browser itself, NOT the wiki page that is, at the moment, pretty accurately describing said browser. --Jen 21:07, 22 September 2008 (BST)

   Tools like Iwitness, and their wikis, do not associate themselves with any specific group(s), nor do they claim or imply to be a sort of pseudo-metagroup as does this page/tool. Those tools which are associated with a specific group(s) -- like the DEM revive request tool, for example -- state pretty explicitly their player group connection. This page / tool, as it stands, fits into neither category. In fact, it appropriates the names of groups not involved in a manner that is, frankly, little more than a technologically adept form of impersonation. All the while IMO rather disingenuously claiming to be "neutral". That is why, in my opinion, it is different. --WanYao 21:39, 22 September 2008 (BST)

   In what sense is the page related to Extinction apart from my building it? I'm not a group! It was set up as a zed meta-group well over a year ago and went nowhere and now it's just a Zombie browser. Since peeps here have a problem with the implied meta grouping I've already said the term 'United' can go and have a logo ready for such as soon as the UZM can be redirected. I think it's a useful resource and use it all the time so am offering it to anyone and everyone. Or are you just using any excuse to be anti-Extinction? --Zeug 03:49, 23 September 2008 (BST)

   My reasons have been clearly explicated. I feel no need to repeat them. --WanYao 05:51, 23 September 2008 (BST)

   Yes but I'm not clear about your unexplicated reasons, apart from you think it's a meta-grouping. Where is there any link or even implied connection to Extinction in the UZM beyond it being included along with the other groups? In what sense apart from your 'feelings' is this open access portal, as useful or otherwise to survivors as it might be to zeds, in any way an Extinction project?--Zeug 10:33, 23 September 2008 (BST)

6. Delete - --Jorm 21:16, 22 September 2008 (BST)
7. Delete - If for no other reason than because several groups have asked that their names be removed from it, and the author is refusing to do so - the groups should have the final say on whether or not their names are used on this, and that should be respected by the author. --Target Practice 21:51, 22 September 2008 (BST)
8. Delete - Im too lazy to come up with an actual reason here, because i just woke up and such so im just typing some random ramblings in here so it looks like i have some kind of reason, which i do but cant think of in my present sleep addled state. I might edit this later to add a reason, but i might not. Who knows? --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 00:43, 23 September 2008 (BST)
9. Delete - As above. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:47, 23 September 2008 (BST)
10. Delete - As above and below. (AKA I don't feel like saying why). LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡* ^{Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB} 05:42, 23 September 2008 (BST)
11. Mostly Keep The shoutboxes should most certainly go but as long as the rest of the page continues to bear the very clear "we are not affiliated and have no reale connection" type disclaimers its perfectly reasonable and useful stuff!--Honestmistake 10:18, 23 September 2008 (BST)
12. Keep Pretty much the same as Honestmistake. People are failing badly at seeing that this page does not claim that the groups are part of this, it just says that this tool will provide easy access to things related to those groups, such as forums, wiki pages, and so on. The only thing I see that is bad is not even on the wiki page, it's part of the tool. And that is the shoutboxes (as mentioned above) that claim to belong to the group, and the text prior to the link to donations that claims that said group supports Urban Dead. - User:Whitehouse 10:52, 23 September 2008 (BST)

    Well some of the shoutboxes ARE the zed groups, others have fallen out of use and the rest are there for anyone to use to talk about the zed group. As for the link to Kevan's donation site you'll notice the button link includes the groups name in it so if someone donates via the MoB button the link is http://urbandead.com/donate.html#MoB which benefits not only Kevan but ... the MoB. I could remove that easily enough but keep the bare 'donate' button. And for the shoutboxes maybe I could indicate which browsers are in use and which are for tourists? This is all getting wonderfully complicated.--Zeug 11:31, 23 September 2008 (BST)

Reductio_ad_absurdum

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Reductio_ad_absurdum

Group has not been active since 2006. If this group falls under as a historic item. As a new group with the abreviations RAD has been formed. I would like for RAD to link to our new page. Also to be honest, this is all new to me. So if I need to be reached. Please send an email to Robert_weidner@hotmail.com. Thanks. Dr Robert Weidner 23:29, 15 September 2008 (BST)

• Keep - The reasoning for deleting this is absurd. RAD can be changed there but no one can help you without knowing the new group.--Karek^maps?! 02:16, 16 September 2008 (BST)
• Keep - and make RAD a disambiguation if you want. --Pdeq^Talk* 06:05, 16 September 2008 (BST)
• Keep - take RAD, no one will complain - but this group's page is staying.--xoxo 08:42, 16 September 2008 (BST)
• Keep - we don't delete old groups. however, yes, you can take the redirect, that's fine. --WanYao 18:53, 17 September 2008 (BST)

1. Keep - As above. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:47, 23 September 2008 (BST)

Cult of Reathxia

A group that does not actually exist, nor does it have anyhing to do with the person it refers to. The page was created by a member of the Cult of the Stuffed Crocodile to mock an enemy, Reathxia, who has nothing to do with this group. All of this is apparent from reading the page and consulting the (rejected) speedydeletion request. --WanYao 12:24, 6 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete - As above. --WanYao 12:25, 6 September 2008 (BST)
2. Delete --Pdeq^Talk* 18:24, 7 September 2008 (BST)
3. Delete --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:39, 7 September 2008 (BST)
4. Delete --Thari ^{TжFedCom is BFI!} 05:10, 8 September 2008 (BST)
5. Keep - Just because I'm against anything that Izumi Orimoto asks for. --Stephen Colbert DFA 21:00, 18 September 2008 (BST)
6. Keep – Diskspace = cheep, parody/satire is a valid form of expression, and the stated reasons of the speedy deletion request's propagator go better with salt. ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 01:31, 19 September 2008 (BST)
7. keep what possible reason could there be to delete this? It's not especially funny but its not particularly offensive either. --Honestmistake 10:46, 19 September 2008 (BST)

   It's a pointless mock group. The supposed leader in the game isn't even a member of the group, but is of the Church of Reathxia. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:01, 19 September 2008 (BST)

   It's not a real group. It's not even a wiki group. It's spam. If you want to keep it -- which is legitimate, I suppose -- then it should be merged with either the its creator's User-space, or merged as a subpage of whatever uninteresting group propounded the "satire" -- in this case some lizard cossplayers? --WanYao 20:34, 19 September 2008 (BST)

   If you merge it then it becomes part of that group's namespace and therefore their property. It's never good to give people control over third party satires of themselves. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 22:59, 19 September 2008 (BST)

   He's not saying that the page should be transferred into the satarised persons group or user space, it should be in the creators space, somewhere (I just cant tell who created it since the history wipe has... wiped that history) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:39 20 September 2008 (BST)

   As far as I was aware, it's from the Cult of the Stuffed Crocodile... But the very fact that we don't even know for certain who created it is even more reason to just delete it. --WanYao 08:20, 22 September 2008 (BST)

8. Delete --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 19:34, 19 September 2008 (BST)
9. Keep - . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:08, 19 September 2008 (BST)
10. Delete - lame -- boxy ^{talk • i} 16:39 20 September 2008 (BST)
11. Keep - Other groups make fake parody pages. And... what Revenant said. --Tselita 16:54, 20 September 2008 (BST)

    Such as? Such as Red Rum fake DK13 "Martial Law" page, for example? (I CBA to find it, maybe someone else will...) Guess what? That was made a subpage of Red Rum... Which is exactly what this should be: a subpage of the group/user who made it. Barring that possibility, it should be deleted. --WanYao 08:22, 22 September 2008 (BST)

12. Keep - as a prolific author of parody pages myself (though mine are more funny) - I see this as the beginning of a slippery slope of critical commentary guiding wiki inclusion. Let it be unless there's some real reason to kill it.--Sarah Silverman 19:54, 22 September 2008 (BST)
13. Keep - As above. Conndraka^{mod TAZM CFT} 01:47, 23 September 2008 (BST)

Recent Actions

Umbrella Influence Zone

By mistake this page became a duplicate of another one. It was my creation and this deletion has my permission (is it even needed..), so no voting needed. Please delete.--MisterGame 20:36, 22 September 2008 (BST)

EDIT: Oh, I think this qualifies for speedy deletion.--MisterGame 20:41, 22 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete - Crit 7 please. -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 20:59, 22 September 2008 (BST)
2. Speedy - Yep, it does. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:06, 22 September 2008 (BST)
3. Speedy - Indeedy. -- Cheese 21:11, 22 September 2008 (BST)

Speedily deleted. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 21:19, 22 September 2008 (BST)

SGP Violators

As Sacred Ground Policy Breakers below: imprimatur of official authority, no standard of proof, no redemption policy, defamatory, subject to abuse with no recourse, blah blah blah. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 16:41, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Long past two weeks. Can we get a ruling? -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 18:59, 15 September 2008 (BST)

Delete this, please. --WanYao 18:52, 17 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete - Like I said. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 16:41, 29 August 2008 (BST)
2. Delete - As above, and below. --WanYao 16:53, 29 August 2008 (BST)
3. Delete ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 18:04, 29 August 2008 (BST)
4. Delete - haha the list of 5 "brain rotters, who wait at cemeteries" made me smile :) --xoxo 01:30, 30 August 2008 (BST)

Deleted --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:57, 17 September 2008 (BST)

Sacred Ground Policy Breakers

This page is terrible. I have no problem with the wiki being used to keep lists of violators of ANY policy regardless of it's support or whatever, hell i don't even care if people keep hit lists of a random group of people with no connection. What's dodgy about this page is that its a community list rather than a private group's kill list which gives it a sense of officialness and of course there is no proof requirement which means anyone can add anyone to the list and have community think they are ZOMGZ RPKER!! This page simply shouldn't exist.--xoxo 14:13, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Long past two weeks. Can we get a ruling? -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 18:59, 15 September 2008 (BST)

Delete this, too, please. --WanYao 18:52, 17 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete - You know what? J3D is right, this page is bullshit. It's defamatory... but since no one runs this, it's associated with no group... therefore it's "community"... I can't trash talk someone specifically on any other community page, so why here? And, it doesn't require any evidence. And, there is no maintenance or scheduling people for deletion or anything. It's just useless, defamatory, speculative, non-NPOV, I mean there is nothing redeeming. This page should just go. --WanYao 15:05, 29 August 2008 (BST)
2. Move - I would normally agree, because you are both quite right... But I feel for those that put the effort into making such a page... So I suggest contacting the creators of the page, finding their asssociated groups and creating a group subpage. Either that or a user subpage. I know it seems impossible, so basically, if the above can't be done, I think deletion is the only option. Apologies for my idealistic (rather than realistic) vote. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 15:16, 29 August 2008 (BST)
3. Delete - I've never paid much attention to this page, or its similar counterpart SGP Violators because of the lack of proof required and because meh, headshots at RPs are simply more evidence of trenchitude in Malton. And realistically there are too damn many people on this list to add them to contacts, and who's gonna check against this list when evaluating a revive candidate? Additionally, I see people I know on this list, probably for putting down rotter squatters since I know for a fact they respect SGP -- so yeah, defamatory. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 16:36, 29 August 2008 (BST)
4. Delete ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 18:04, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Deleted --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 18:57, 17 September 2008 (BST)

Page no longer needed

Area_51/Alpha_Squad that page is no long needed because Alpha squad has been dissbanded in Area 51 and it is not going to be needed because we will keep all squad stuff on our forums and the Area 51 wiki page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by User:Fanglord2 (talk • contribs) at an unknown time.

Err...i was gonna A/SD this for him but i can't see what crit it is. It's almost a 7 coz it's his page but other group people have edited it.--xoxo 01:35, 30 August 2008 (BST)

1. Speedydelete - The group's regular wiki editor requested it, and although others in the group have edited the page in the past, I think this should fit into the spirit of crit 7, given that the "page owner" is the group, and they're the only "one" to edit it (or care) -- boxy ^{talk • i} 14:53 11 September 2008 (BST)
2. Speedy - As Boxy. -- Cheese 16:25, 11 September 2008 (BST)
3. Speedy - If you define "owner" as the group and the group's primary editor as an appropriate representative for the group, this is a clear Crit 7. -- Atticus Rex ^{mfu pif} Δ 19:17, 13 September 2008 (BST)

Speedily deleted. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:26, 13 September 2008 (BST)

Talk:Suggestions

EDIT: So nice to see that policy doesn't matter on this page, too. I would hate A/VB to be the only Admin page that gets that privilege. Once the deletion request has been entered, the request shall remain on this page, where it will be voted on for a period of two (2) weeks, -- #99 ^DCC 23:55, 8 September 2008 (BST)

Crit 1 and Crit 2. Nothing good ever comes out of this page. It has no content beyond amusing trolling and butthurt fucking pubbies that can't be bothered to read the posting rules of the page and then get all pissed when their suggestions are duped. Most of the suggestions that have actually made it into Peer Reviewed this year were not worked on on Talk:Suggestions because the poster actually thought about the idea and has experience with the game. This page should be deleted. Come on! You know you want to!!-- #99 ^DCC 15:26, 8 September 2008 (BST)

1. Delete--- #99 ^DCC 15:28, 8 September 2008 (BST)
2. Delete -- . . <== DDR Approved Editor 17:13, 8 September 2008 (BST)
3. Keep - If you don't like the page, don't read it. --Pdeq^Talk* 17:17, 8 September 2008 (BST)

   Merge - Should be subpage of trenchcoater. Because, contrary to DCC's statement, most good ideas are actually posted here first -- because smart suggestors prefer to consult with other smart suggestors. However, these suggestors have other ways of communicating, whether because of their wiki knowledge or metagaming contacts. Meanwhile, the bulk of the page belongs as a subpage of trenchcoater wiki. --WanYao 17:33, 8 September 2008 (BST)

4. Keep - My now serious vote on this legitimate deletions request. I think Talk:Suggestions is a joke. But let's have a policy debate on the whole Suggestions system. This deletions request -- while little different than, say, SGP Violators below, and thus a valid request -- is a bit disingenuous. --WanYao 20:39, 8 September 2008 (BST)
5. Keep - Even if it were true that most reviewed suggestions didn't go through Talk:Suggestions, I'm pretty sure that most of the suggestions that got spaminated or duped didn't go through Talk:Suggestions either. Which is to say that it's doing a fine job of keeping dupes and the completely retarded suggestions out of the main system. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 17:46, 8 September 2008 (BST)

   Midianian, many of the spaminated and duped suggestions were posted on Talk:Suggestions and the posters on there told them it was a bad idea but the author went ahead and posted it anyway. One word: NAILGUN. Everything she posted on Talk:Suggestions she went right ahead and posted as a real one no matter what the comments were. -- #99 ^DCC 23:54, 8 September 2008 (BST)

   Aw, DCC remembers me. Actually there were a lot of people who liked Nailgun. It was mainly your 'guys' who didn't. And even with the sockpuppeters who ruined it, it still had over 50 Keeps. Get over it DCC --Tselita 14:12, 19 September 2008 (BST)

6. Keep or indeed Humourous. Justified. But it needs fixing. --Rosslessness^{Want a Location Image?} 17:57, 8 September 2008 (BST)

Humourous - The Suggestions pages are an innate part of the wiki, it's one of the reasons why this wiki exists. It's here for an easy place for Kevan to look at ideas and not answer thousands of email suggestions. Please don't waste everyone's time. This is almost as ridiculous as putting deletions up for deletions. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 19:06, 8 September 2008 (BST)

Wasting everyone's time? What the fuck do you actually do around here AHLG? -- #99 ^DCC 23:54, 8 September 2008 (BST)

Wrongly Organised pages

The follow pages are Shades of malton pages, but were not filed under Shades of malton.
I have changed the links, for example the S.R.R.T. link is now filed under SoM like:
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Shades_of_malton/S.R.R.T.

These are the pages that now need to be deleted due to them being empty and not needed, thankyou.

http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Home_Defense_Unit
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/S.R.R.T.
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/Rover

Any issues? please contact me.

Skinny Bones Jones Write me. 20:32, 26 August 2008 (BST)

1. Speedy Not exactly crit 7, but Definitely crit 1. Conndraka^{mod TTBA CFT} 03:43, 27 August 2008 (BST)
2. Speedy --Toejam 10:29, 27 August 2008 (BST)
3. Speedy ᚱᛁᚹᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 18:04, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Deleted speedily. --Daranz^{.t.mod janitor} 01:44, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Fascism

Crits 1 and 2 - content repeated elsewhere, i.e. on the wikipedia, for instance. And the "definition" has nothing directly to do with UD: people self-define as pro- or contra- various IRL ideologies in the game, but if you want a "definition" of these, then go to the wikipedia or take high school poli sci or something. The accuracy of the "definition" provided is highly debatable anyway... so let's not set the stage for drama with various individuals or groups over this... --WanYao 03:42, 10 August 2008 (BST)

This page has been extensively change since the deletion request was made -- boxy ^{talk • i} 06:30 10 August 2008 (BST)

The author agreeed to speedydelete this. Why is it still here??? --WanYao 15:13, 29 August 2008 (BST)

In fact, the two weeks is up for regular deletion, and it's been voted to Delete 12 deletes to 3 keeps. Why is this still here??? --WanYao 17:05, 29 August 2008 (BST)

1. Keep.Re. Criterion #1: content repeated on "the wikipedia"?? Nonsense. This is the internets, buddy. Everything is repeated everywhere. Does not qualify for first criterion. Second, it IS an accurate, though certainly not exhaustive definition. It is roughly, as you say, at the level of a high-school political science class. Granted that it is a meta-gaming term, this does not make it irrelevant; there are a wide variety of political meta-gaming terms on the UDWiki. However, most of them - take socialism, for example, redirect to pages listing groups espousing that particular philosophy. Given the preponderance of the terms "fascism" and "fascist" within the wiki, and the fact that there are no groups stepping in to identify as such, it is reasonable that a neutral page clear this up. Further, doesn't creating drama in an attempt to circumvent drama serve as a contradiction in terms? Please, WanYao. Nobody is fooled by the condescending tone or "above such menial concerns" attitude. Next time, be a grown-up and send me a message so we can sort it out like human beings. --Blackboard 04:23, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   As far as I am aware, there are no other pages being set up to define political ideologies on this wiki. Because this is IMO not the place for that. There ARE in-game groups that present themselves as adhering to these ideologies, however. Which is great. And these groups define their ideologies, if at all, in their group pages -- which is perfect. "Fascism" is NOT a meta-gaming term, however... That's pretty obvious. And, there are in-game groups aligning themselves with fascist ideology... Because, semantics notwithstanding, the use of the term Fascism has transcended its historical specificity -- and not merely as pejoritive term, either. But once again, I don't consider the UD wiki the place for hashing out these often controversial definitions... it's that simple. --WanYao 04:36, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   However, if you're going to define here, at least get it right. Because contemporary definitions of fascism DO transcend the historical specificity of early to mid 20th century Europe, e.g. its application to states such as Pinochet's Chile, or its (justifiable to many, if done properly) use to define certain tendencies and trends in contemporary politics... I know you know what I am talking about... but it's exactly this can of definitional worms that really has no place in the wiki for a zombie game... And that's my point. --WanYao 04:56, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   So. Although that you "don't consider the UD wiki the place for hashing out these often controversial definitions", there is - according to the accepted speedy deletion criteria, no legitimate reason for a speedy deletion. Fascism, communism, nepotism, botulism - these are ALL meta-gaming terms; they have no official place within the game, but we, the meta-gamers, provide a framework for them. If you disagree with the page itself, the appropriate forum is the respective discussion page, not here; if you were a fascist group which took umbrage with me creating a page which they themselves would have preferred to create, then we could collaborate on the page itself. However - and I'm not going to be drawn into a flame war here - this wiki is a public forum, NOT subject to your judgment of what is or what is not appropriate. --Blackboard 04:59, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   First, you can't assume that I know what you're talking about; and second, I specifically address the contemporary application of the term fascist. As we have gone over, it is a simple definition, meant not to provide an exhaustive nor controversial explanation by any means, but rather to bring a bit of order to the wiki. One can't assume that every gamer is going to know what fascism is, and when an actively recruiting group purports to be anti-fascist, it might be nice to know what that entails. Again, this is a wiki; it is a public forum, with primarily user-generated material. Whatever doesn't detract from it adds to it. If the page becomes a legitimate problem, there are ways of dealing with it. Killing it in its infancy because you don't like it is unacceptable.--Blackboard 05:08, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   I did not put this up for regular deletions; someone else moved it here. And I have commented further on your talk page. I accept the result of this being taken off speedy deletions, and own up to whatever errors I have made in categorising it as Crit 1. However I stand by my assertion that this does not belong on the wiki for a zombie MMORPG, for the reasons that I have outlined -- which are copied above, and elaborated on your talk page. 'Nuff said. --WanYao 05:22, 10 August 2008 (BST)

2. Speedydelete - Crit 2. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 05:14, 10 August 2008 (BST)
3. Speedy - Crit 2 and don't forget the redirect Fascists--– Nubis ^NWO 13:03, 10 August 2008 (BST)
4. Speedy - Crit 2 (if I am allowed to vote on this). And, unfortunately, the new edits make this page WORSE, more off-topic and less useful than the original edit! --WanYao 17:55, 10 August 2008 (BST) And if anyone really wants to wade through it, detailed arguments as to why this does vs. does not belong on the UD wiki can be found here, on Blackboard's Talk page. --WanYao 18:15, 10 August 2008 (BST)
5. Speedy then guys, Jesus. I saw what seemed to be a bit of a hole in the wiki, and I tried to fill it. There's no need to get so self-righteous about it. Nice work sucking the fun out of this, Wan. You're a credit to the site. --Blackboard 19:45, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   Oh get over yourself, puh-leeeeze. No, seriously... Now you're acting like one of those trenchies from the suggestions page who argues and whines and calls everyone names when their bad idea is torn to pieces. No one is accusing you of vandalism or bad faith, no one is calling you a BAD PERSON or anything. But it's an off content page. In spite of your protestations to the contrary, there seems to be a consensus to this effect. Now just deal... without all the whinging and name-calling, if you can manage it. --WanYao 21:02, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   I don't recall any name-calling. And I agreed to yank it. Obviously I'm new. I'm just saying it wouldn't have killed you to be a bit cordial about it. Don't be aggressive and then berate me for being defensive. How about, "Hey Blackboard, the edits you made to this page don't fit with the spirit of the wiki, is there something we can do about it?" That way, a.I'd learn something about what is and is not appropriate here (the easy way), b.perhaps content which is useful and appropriate can be substituted for what you don't like, and c.we don't waste all this time, both yours and mine and everyone else who rules on this. And d. we could be best buds!! Anyway, feel free to keep an eye on whatever else I'm doing - and if you don't like it, just drop me a line. (and if I thought you had a sense of humor here... I'd add, "Fascist" and maybe like a winkface or something) --Blackboard 22:13, 10 August 2008 (BST)

   You just engaged in name-calling, you pedantic wanker. In your fucking vote above. At least I own up to it when I'm asshole and call people names: but you hide behind passive-aggressive blathering. BTW... I can't be bothered to read your last post. If only wiki had an "ignore" feature. --WanYao 04:50, 11 August 2008 (BST)

   Ooh! Are we gonna flame this up?? Well, I'm not a name-caller, you're the name-caller! Quit calling me names, you name-calling name-caller! NAME-CALLER NAME-CALLER! --Blackboard 09:21, 11 August 2008 (BST)

6. EDIT/DELETE Either someone has already cleaned it up or its just an unbiased section with no real purpose! Express how anti-fascist you are or do the opposite and get hammered. Just don't delete the template.--User:Jackson 03:25, 11 August 2008 (BST)
7. SpeedyDelete - the UD wiki is not a glossary or a dictionary, linking someone to wikipedia is far more appropriate, and descriptive. Techercizer ^(Food) _(TSoE) 01:58, 16 August 2008 (BST)
8. Delte First of all its a crit 2 but I also believe that the definition of fascism is different for everyone, and from reading this page I see it doesn't serve an important purpose in explaining anything. Also it seems to say that anything that does not support anarchism is fascism which is bull.--SirArgo ^Talk 04:02, 22 August 2008 (BST)
9. Delte DEM? seriously?--Kristi of the Dead 14:48, 22 August 2008 (BST)
10. Delete - Crit 2, and we have interwiki links for a reason, use them.--Karek^maps?! 18:31, 22 August 2008 (BST)
11. Keep. especially since the page now contains specific references to certain UD groups... Conndraka^{mod TTBA CFT} 00:42, 23 August 2008 (BST)
12. Speedy - Crit 2. Those groups listed there do not even identify themselves as fascist, and I've never heard of anyone broadcasting that they are. And even if they are in some way fascist, the way that tag is applied to them is so shallow my head hurts just thinking about it. --Aeon17x 00:55, 23 August 2008 (BST)
13. Delete - Because I'm getting fucking tired of people calling the DEM Fascist, when our leadership is a democracy. The entire page as it stands now is more or less one massive pot-shot at us under the guise of an informative article. Word to your mother Conndraka, Labine50 ^{MEMS | MHG} 20:13, 24 August 2008 (BST)
14. Delete - because the Fascist DEM Police State are going to buy all of my alts Brain Rot if I don't vote. --Bob Fortune ^RR 01:56, 25 August 2008 (BST)
15. Keep - lul @ Wan's bushism ("the wikipedia"), apologies if someones already said that in the tl;dr crap above me. As for this page i don't really seeing it as doing much harm.--xoxo 14:16, 29 August 2008 (BST)

Deleted. --Daranz^{.t.mod janitor} 01:44, 3 September 2008 (BST)

Author Edit Only:

I am trying to get my name off the internet please delete these pages, I am going to use the wiki under the name of truezombieboy. Thanks.--Jamie Cantwel3 ^TalkAll glory to the Hypnotoad! 04:21, 25 August 2008 (BST)

(Said pages) http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Jamie_Cantwell3/Sandbox
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User_talk:Jamie_Cantwell3
http://wiki.urbandead.com/index.php/User:Jamie_Cantwell3

1. Speedy: Crit 7 Conndraka^{mod TTBA CFT} 23:03, 25 August 2008 (BST)
2. Speedy --Pdeq^Talk* 21:46, 26 August 2008 (BST)
3. Speedy. --Toejam 10:26, 27 August 2008 (BST)

Deleted. Note that the pages are gone, the account cannot be deleted. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 22:16, 27 August 2008 (BST)

All These

As i said on A/SD, vandal edits always get reverted and when they create pages they always get deleted. Yes it'll take time but that's the nature of reverting vandalism...anyway this will probably cause some discussion so since gnomey rejected it from A/SD figured i should bring it here.--xoxo 10:35, 23 August 2008 (BST)

1. Speedy-fucking-delete - As J3D explained, vandal edits are to be deleted -- and as far as I am aware no red tape even needs to be cut for this happen. This doesn't belong here, or even on SD for that matter. It belongs in job done pile. --WanYao 10:50, 23 August 2008 (BST)
2. Comment - Wait, welcome notes are vandalism now? --Aeon17x 10:55, 23 August 2008 (BST)

   Generally no. But this guy made hundreds, including to people who haven't used the wiki in over 2 years. Also it was ruled vandalism by a sysop. WN templates aren't vandalism, bad faith edits including spam creating new pages so you can "become the most linked to user" is (well this was the first time, but it is now). So yeah, hence the deletion.--xoxo 10:59, 23 August 2008 (BST)

They're in my personal queue of things to do, and as they are vandal edits they aren't necessarily subject to voting. It'll get done, just haven't found the time to get to it just yet. --Karek^maps?! 16:52, 23 August 2008 (BST)

I'll help out if you plan to delete the very old ones and the vandal talk pages (although those should be templated and protected).--  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 23:05, 23 August 2008 (BST)

Haliman is a Fraud

Should be a group subpage.--xoxo 14:07, 4 August 2008 (BST)

1. Keep - A/MR <--- is that that way. --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 14:10, 4 August 2008 (BST)

   ah k thanks, wasn't 100% sure. Also i thought some people might want it deleted anyway.--xoxo 14:44, 4 August 2008 (BST)

   Since it's been emptied, can it be speedied now? --Midianian^{|T|T:S|C:RCS|} 13:25, 10 August 2008 (BST)

2. Delete/Move - It should be a group subpage.--The General ^{T Sys U! P! F!} 14:14, 4 August 2008 (BST)
3. Move - groupsubpage. D^ANCED^ANCER^EVOLUTION (TALK | CONTRIBS) 02:00, 6 August 2008 (BST)
4. Delete - While it should be a group subpage, the plain fact is that its a page of nonsense to correctly or incorrectly defame another user of the wiki. On those grounds alone it should be deleted. We have better things to do than let simply hate pages stand. --The Grimch ^{U! E!} 02:43, 6 August 2008 (BST)
5. Keep/Move - Umbrella's subpage. --Private Mark 03:29, 6 August 2008 (BST)
6. Delete - As Grim, the wiki has enough drama without people porting their group drama here as well.--Karek^maps?! 06:59, 6 August 2008 (BST)
7. Delete, they can put it on their subpage then delete it.--xoxo 08:08, 6 August 2008 (BST)
8. Move --Jared^{Talk Aces C-Kids} 15:40, 6 August 2008 (BST)
9. speedydelete - or barring that, move it to subpage of Umbrella. But it should just go, because this is a personal attack, personal information, violation of assumed privacy, etc., etc., and ought to be deleted as such. However, haven't you heard of the deletion template that's supposed to go on the pages? Because I put this up on Move Requests because the required template hasn't been placed on the page. I'll inset the template now. But sheeesh. --WanYao 19:35, 6 August 2008 (BST)
10. Delete - I agree with Wan. Personal attacks are un-cool. Especially when it's directed to you personally. --/\Haliman/\ ^{T | CC | UC | P! | W!} 21:57, 6 August 2008 (BST)
11. Move Group sub-page. Anyone and everyone who enters Umbrella or is associated should know just how much of a conniving low-life he is and how he should not be trusted by anyone, the mere fact that he is a member of P! and W! is to make him look good and clean when he is about as foul and filthy as local garrison port-a-potties.--Jackson 23:22, 6 August 2008 (BST)

    Hey Jackson can we talk this over? Can ya agree with putting an link to our site? This way people will still be able to see it but wont cause any more wiki drama.--MisterGame 23:30, 6 August 2008 (BST)

12. Move I will move it off the wiki (tomorrow, *yawn*) to our main site. I will put a link to it on Umbrella's wiki page. I know its a bit excegegrating (can anyone fix this misspeled word?) and quite aggresive, however it is the truth. The truth about the person is up for discussion, but those quotes are real and facts. But agreed, im not sure if it violates the wiki rules officaly, but it does not belong here. People will get the wrong idea about Umbrella, like probably everyone on this page already did :rolleyes:. And haliman, of course it are personal attacks, because this spy/traitor of Umbrella things centers around a person, which is you. --MisterGame 23:27, 6 August 2008 (BST)

    This guy is apparently suffering from a very serious mental illness. By posting this chatlog, you're not only violating privacy and personal information ethics, but you're being totally insensitive and callous assholes. Now, halliman is a jerk, and he's obviously fucking hazardous to one's health, so speak, in game and out of game... And you have a right to defend yourself in that context. And people should be warned and he should be discredited in UD. However, keeping the content of that page up in any form is just callous asshole-ish-ness. That being said, it has no place on the wiki... If you want to put it up in your forums, I think you're arses, but it's your right... But keep this shyte off the wiki, and frankly, I don't want to even see a LINK to the thread on here, either. This wiki may be a real shithole, but I think even WE are better than that... --WanYao 01:43, 7 August 2008 (BST)

    Well we could just delete the page and instead release a less aggresive statement about haliman, in which we just tell he is a traitor and nothing more but will that convince people?
    Haliman may be a total *insert swearing here* but you wont see that back in the way he types. First sight, he looks like your average guy, which he is not. If I say that everyone should stay away from haliman because he is a sick *again, insert swearing* and a traitor, would they listen to my words? Ofcourse not, they are human beings! Only thing that does open up some eyes is posting the truth, which may be aggresive and shocking but its just these elements people will listen to.--MisterGame

13. Delete - with extreme prejudice -- boxy ^{talk • i} 10:35 7 August 2008 (BST)
14. Delete - It's absurd that people are even considering the other. --  AHLGTG THE END IS NIGH! 17:16, 7 August 2008 (BST)
15. Delete - as above. And I wish to apologise for quoting this page on Brainstock in order to mock Haliman. The guy obviously needs help. --Sir Bob Fortune ^RR 21:22, 7 August 2008 (BST)
16. Delete or even speedydelete. I didn't read all of this, but it's a violation of trust and privacy to have this on the wiki. --Toejam 19:55, 7 August 2008 (BST)
17. Delete- Privacy violation and many others. Also I did not understand 75% of everything, the information is confusing. No more wiki drama. --Lithedarkangel 22:47, 7 August 2008 (BST)
18. Move- Clear and Precise.--MacNOF 23:25, 7 August 2008 (BST)
19. Delete - Yeah...this guy needs help before he shoots up a mall. --User:Axe27/Sig 21:57, 9 August 2008 (BST)
20. delete - any other choice is terrible. --JonEboy 00:53, 10 August 2008 (BST)
21. Non-Related - Wow Haliman111 even uses his alt to make the vote, thats you JonEboy!--User:Jackson/Sig 03:19, 11 August 2008 (BST)

I only said that to get you to not PK him. You can even check the I.P. --/\Haliman/\ ^{T | CC | UC | P! | W!} 08:26, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Deleted - 21:36, August 12, 2008 Karek (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Haliman is a Fraud" (content was: '{{Delete}}Page moved to outside source. Page requested to be deleted by page owners.') -- boxy ^{talk • i} 15:21 18 August 2008 (BST)

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